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IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Frayed Knot Jul 13 2012 10:01 PM

Dickey vs Hanson Let's see if we can Ba-steal a win from these guys on their turf.

Ashie62 Jul 14 2012 09:39 AM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Karma says no Valdespin for Street

Edgy MD Jul 14 2012 12:52 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Sheesh, you gotta take that shit in two threads?

bmfc1 Jul 14 2012 01:24 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

METS: 1. Ruben Tejada (R) SS 2. Jordany Valdespin (L) LF 3. David Wright (R) 3B 4. Ike Davis (L) 1B 5. Daniel Murphy (L) 2B 6. Kirk Nieuwenhuis (L) RF 7. Josh Thole (L) C 8. Andres Torres (S) CF 9. R.A. Dickey (R) P =#BF4080]Braves: 1. Michael Bourn (L) CF 2. Martin Prado (R) SS 3. Jason Heyward (L) RF 4. Chipper Jones (S) 3B 5. Freddie Freeman (L) 1B 6. Brian McCann (L) C 7. Dan Uggla (R) 2B 8. Eric Hinske (L) LF 9. Tommy Hanson (R) P Lucas has a strained Duda so he's not in the lineup.

Swan Swan H Jul 14 2012 02:20 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Dickey looks like he has his good knuckler. 1-2-3 in the first including a 23-foot tapper and a two Ks.

bmfc1 Jul 14 2012 02:25 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

The game is not on in the DC area but I found an alternative way to watch the game. Has Chris Myers every called a baseball game before? He's an interviewer, not a play-by-play guy.

bmfc1 Jul 14 2012 02:30 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Over-managing by Shorty costs the Mets a run.

Swan Swan H Jul 14 2012 02:31 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Well, they ran themselves out of another run here on a hosed hit-and-run. Thole mashes a double off the top of the wall, but Nooey is watching from the bench instead of racing across the plate.

Edgy MD Jul 14 2012 02:36 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Tejada steals a hit and Muffry gives one back.

Frayed Knot Jul 14 2012 02:38 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

McCann got back pretty quickly from his paternity leave thing - getting the wife preggers in the first place probably took longer. I thought that was supposed to be a 3-day deal - maybe they put him on it during the ASB

Swan Swan H Jul 14 2012 02:39 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

That wasn't a hit by Freeman, that was a 'there ain't gonna be a no-hitter thrown against our good ol' Braves.'

bmfc1 Jul 14 2012 02:42 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Make the frigging throw to first and catch the frigging flyball. And don't steal against an All-Star catcher.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 14 2012 02:46 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

I wonder if Remarkably Affable Dickey will fly out to Los Angeles so to discuss his approach to Dan Uggla with Leno.

bmfc1 Jul 14 2012 02:49 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

When Bay comes back on Tuesday, how about returning Valdespin to Buffalo, tell him to learn 2B and that if he can show some plate discipline, he has a good chance of being the everyday 2B in 2012.

Frayed Knot Jul 14 2012 02:56 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

bmfc1 wrote: Over-managing by Shorty costs the Mets a run. Is every steal attempt "over-managing"? Or was there something about this particular one that made it so? Or are we just going to wait until we don't like the outcome and blame it on Terry when it happens?

bmfc1 Jul 14 2012 03:01 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Not all FK, but this one was. All-Star catcher, the batter has good numbers against the pitcher, the runner is only 4 for 7 on SBs, one out, weak hitter on deck. I'm not a Thole fan but I had confidence in him getting at minimum a flyball because of his record against the pitcher. If Terry left things alone, two runs score on the double (which requires an assumption that Hanson makes the same pitch).

Swan Swan H Jul 14 2012 03:05 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Ike follows up his first inning double with a solo Kaboom.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 14 2012 03:06 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

He's Tommy Hanson's worst nightmare.

Edgy MD Jul 14 2012 03:07 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

bmfc1 wrote: When Bay comes back on Tuesday, how about returning Valdespin to Buffalo, tell him to learn 2B and that if he can show some plate discipline, he has a good chance of being the everyday 2B in 2012. It's a plan, but he's been trying to learn second for 20 years. If he doesn't go down, I'm sure he'll play winter ball. But yeah, he'll probably head down when Bay comes back.

bmfc1 Jul 14 2012 03:13 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Don't the other fans get pissed when Cal Ripken, Jr. catches all those foul balls?

Swan Swan H Jul 14 2012 03:14 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Edgy, you think Valdespin goes down and Quintanilla stays? Q is getting next to no playing time, and is the third shortstop right now.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 14 2012 03:18 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

You hate to deal depth away where you've needed it before but a trade seems like the way to deal with whomever is left when Bay returns. I wonder if Valdespin intrigues anyone, other than me.

Swan Swan H Jul 14 2012 03:22 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Ruben Tejada pisses ice cubes.

Swan Swan H Jul 14 2012 03:23 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Jayzus, that's a brutal call. That was bad even for C.B. Bucknor, who has made his share of bad calls.

bmfc1 Jul 14 2012 03:25 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

I'm intrigued by Jordany, too. I can't figure him out but I imagine that the Mets feel the same way. I'd like to think that another team can use Omar Q. He's competent-plus and teams other than the Mets often need lefty batters.

bmfc1 Jul 14 2012 03:26 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Swan Swan H wrote: Jayzus, that's a brutal call. That was bad even for C.B. Bucknor, who has made his share of bad calls. I'm now watching in Spanish. I don't understand Spanish but after that call, I recognized "Denkinger."

Swan Swan H Jul 14 2012 03:26 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Or, trade Cedeno and keep Q. They seem redundant at this point.

Edgy MD Jul 14 2012 03:28 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Breaker, Breaker, this is C.B. Bucknor. I'm rolling through Georgia with an irate Dominican on my tail. Ya copy? Swan Swan H wrote: Edgy, you think Valdespin goes down and Quintanilla stays? Q is getting next to no playing time, and is the third shortstop right now. Q got no options. Also should he clear waivers, there's less future value in getting him the regular infield PT that Valdy would get in Waffleo. But I definitely think the redundancies in the infield have the Mets contemplating trades.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 14 2012 03:36 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

WTF.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 14 2012 03:38 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jul 14 2012 03:40 PM

So... they'll gather to discuss/change bad calls that impact the Braves? (Not to mention: Dale Scott, Iassogna, AND Bucknor? Add Joe West or our guy Angel, and we've got an Anti-All-Star team.) Also-- Wonder of Wonders-- Karros' breakdown of that call is correct. (Ball dropped in, runner should be ruled out, having been tagged out wandering between first and second.) The Mets might be better off, game-management-wise, without Collins in the game.

bmfc1 Jul 14 2012 03:38 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Good for the umps for getting the call right. Now how about reversing the call from the last inning?

Edgy MD Jul 14 2012 03:39 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

I'm guessing Terry asked them to also retroactively reverse the call on Valdespin before he got tossed. Is Bob Geren now the manager of record, or do the runners belong to Terry?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 14 2012 03:40 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

bullshit

Edgy MD Jul 14 2012 03:40 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Boo.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 14 2012 03:42 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 14 2012 03:44 PM

Thole should appeal the second run to Bucknor-- maybe he'll rule the guy out. (Alternatively: trade Dickey for Street.)

bmfc1 Jul 14 2012 03:43 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

You gotta feel bad for the umps. It's a day game after a night game. Perhaps they'll get tomorrow off and AAA umps will do the game so they can rest. It's hard work, these 3 hours a day. And they're under such stress to do their job properly.

Zvon Jul 14 2012 03:45 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

I protest this game!

Zvon Jul 14 2012 03:49 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Okay Justin, if you wanna be around to throw pies you're gonna have to get us a run here.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 14 2012 03:50 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 14 2012 03:51 PM

Pump up that stat profile, Tyrna! Duda unavailable to pinch? I mean, you'd think that if this team has ONE thing, it's an abundance of left-handed PH options, no?

Swan Swan H Jul 14 2012 03:50 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Turner with a big pinch-hit single makes it Mets 4, Braves 3, Umps 2.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 14 2012 03:51 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Myrna Turner beginning to look like Matt Franco.

Zvon Jul 14 2012 03:52 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Good job Turner. Thole scores while doing his best mime move, running underwater.

Edgy MD Jul 14 2012 03:53 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Geren's first big call and he's.... pinch-hitting Turner? You got big Lucas Duda on the bench, Bob. And it's a righty pitching, Bob. And Justin knocks Hanson out. GEREN'S A GENIUS! FIRE TERRY![/bigpurple]

Ashie62 Jul 14 2012 03:55 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: You hate to deal depth away where you've needed it before but a trade seems like the way to deal with whomever is left when Bay returns. I wonder if Valdespin intrigues anyone, other than me. Hopefully the Rockies..That 3 edgy..its catchy!

Ashie62 Jul 14 2012 03:55 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Edgy DC wrote: Geren's first big call and he's.... pinch-hitting Turner? You got big Lucas Duda on the bench, Bob. And it's a righty pitching, Bob. And Justin knocks Hanson out. GEREN'S A GENIUS! FIRE TERRY![/bigpurple] Geren is Rick Cerones butt buddy.

Zvon Jul 14 2012 03:56 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Nice! Ruben!uDaMaN!

Ashie62 Jul 14 2012 03:57 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Thank you Tejada!!! Fuck you Reyes.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 14 2012 03:57 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Doodoo is resting a bad hammy.

Nymr83 Jul 14 2012 03:59 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

5 straight singles! come on Wright, bust it open!!

Zvon Jul 14 2012 03:59 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Nice! Valde! UaLsOdAmAn!

Swan Swan H Jul 14 2012 03:59 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Justin Turner. Ruben Tejada. Jordany Valdespin. Gentleman all.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 14 2012 04:00 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 14 2012 04:00 PM

TRADE HIM FOR HUSTON STREET BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!11!!!! Does it strike anyone else as kind of odd that this string of hits has come with those shadows like that, in the death-to-hitters position between home and the mound?

Nymr83 Jul 14 2012 04:00 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Ashie62 wrote: Thank you Tejada!!! Fuck you Reyes. Really? Why? because he went somewhere that wanted to pay him?

bmfc1 Jul 14 2012 04:01 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

David Wright has had better days.

Swan Swan H Jul 14 2012 04:01 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

The plate umpire is as bad as the rest, and that's acknowledging the three or four gifts he gave Dickey.

Edgy MD Jul 14 2012 04:02 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

I don't know what that Cerone comment means, but [bigpurple:9fhhaf0x]GEREN'S IN A POSITION TO WIN! BRING ON WARTHAN FOR THE SAVE![/bigpurple:9fhhaf0x] Ashie, cut back a little. It's still early.

Nymr83 Jul 14 2012 04:02 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

strike 2 to wright was LOW, strike 3 was potentially a bit inside but way too close to take with 2 strikes

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 14 2012 04:02 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

My favorite part of the shitty Dan Iassogna strike call? That in the replay, you can see his eyes dart over guiltily to the batter, like he's thinking, "Don't be mad, don't be mad, don't be mad..."

bmfc1 Jul 14 2012 04:04 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Edgy: Ashie62 was only doing a Mets version of the opening song from The Book of Mormon.

Swan Swan H Jul 14 2012 04:09 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Josh Edgin got those Heath Bell thighs.

Edgy MD Jul 14 2012 04:10 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

bmfc1 wrote: Edgy: Ashie62 was only doing a Mets version of the opening song from The Book of Mormon. WOOSH!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 14 2012 04:11 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Swan Swan H wrote: Josh Edgin got those Heath Bell thighs. This only adds to his appeal for me. Give him a Fu Manchu and a sense of humor and continued effectiveness, and I'm in love.

Edgy MD Jul 14 2012 04:15 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Leavin' him in to face Diaz. Geren's call or Terry working from an undisclosed location?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 14 2012 04:16 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Are my eyes deceiving me, or was Thole setting up, like, a foot outside the strike zone for Diaz?

Edgy MD Jul 14 2012 04:16 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Are my eyes deceiving me, or was Thole setting up, like, a foot outside the strike zone for Diaz? It's all in the lesson. Teach him to pitch pathetically around a guy and eventually he'll work his way up to a more subtle pitcharound.

Mets – Willets Point Jul 14 2012 04:17 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

I'm jumping on the Edgin bandwagon. Does he have a bandwagon?

Zvon Jul 14 2012 04:19 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Edgin Ks the side. Sweet!!

Ashie62 Jul 14 2012 04:19 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Nymr83 wrote: Ashie62 wrote: Thank you Tejada!!! Fuck you Reyes. Really? Why? because he went somewhere that wanted to pay him? Tejada is better for the money...Reyes is a slacking bum.

Edgy MD Jul 14 2012 04:20 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

I'm jumping on the Edgin bandwagon. Does he have a bandwagon? It better have some springs.

Ashie62 Jul 14 2012 04:20 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Mets – Willets Point wrote: I'm jumping on the Edgin bandwagon. Does he have a bandwagon? Does now! He'd be great with Street.

Ashie62 Jul 14 2012 04:22 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Edgy DC wrote: Leavin' him in to face Diaz. Geren's call or Terry working from an undisclosed location? Terry called from Applebees.

Edgy MD Jul 14 2012 04:25 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Fuck Huston Street!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 14 2012 04:25 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

TRADE TERRY FOR STREET

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 14 2012 04:25 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Edgy DC wrote: I'm jumping on the Edgin bandwagon. Does he have a bandwagon? It better have some springs. It does have some HUGE back wheels.

Swan Swan H Jul 14 2012 04:27 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Edgy DC wrote: Fuck Huston Street! Particularly between Varick and Washington.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 14 2012 04:28 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

So... from a look at the crowd, I'm guessing that today was Popped-Polo-Collar/Titleist-Visor giveaway day at Turner?

batmagadanleadoff Jul 14 2012 04:31 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves Edited 3 time(s), most recently on Jul 14 2012 04:34 PM

On that Valdespin catch/trap fiasco, I don't know what the rule is, but maybe the lead runner Prado had the right to rely on the botched "out" call. If so, then Prado rightfully believed that he was obligated to return to first base, and couldn't stop on second base. It's not fair to require Prado to determine which of two irreconcilable and simultaneous calls is the right one. Maybe Prado never even saw the "fair ball" call.

Mets – Willets Point Jul 14 2012 04:31 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

I always forget how much I hate the tomahawk chop until I hear it again.

Edgy MD Jul 14 2012 04:38 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Yup to the tomahawk chop. Also, how is every booth of every team on the road the "Peeless Boilers Broadcast Booth"?

Swan Swan H Jul 14 2012 04:39 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Edgy DC wrote: Yup to the tomahawk chop. Also, how is every booth of every team on the road the "Peeless Boilers Broadcast Booth"? The plaque is magnetic, rather than affixed with a permanent adhesive.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 14 2012 04:41 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

lol

Zvon Jul 14 2012 04:42 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Lets get some insurance and

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 14 2012 04:42 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Torres looks like the best hitter on this team except when he doesn't.

bmfc1 Jul 14 2012 04:43 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 14 2012 04:49 PM

Hardball Talk already has an article on the controversial calls: http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/ ... gh-inning/ Deadspin has one, too: http://deadspin.com/5926077/fox-umpires ... and-braves

bmfc1 Jul 14 2012 04:45 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Edgy DC wrote: how is every booth of every team on the road the "Peeless Boilers Broadcast Booth"? It should be the "Bob Murphy Broadcast Booth, brought to you by Peerless Boilers."

Edgy MD Jul 14 2012 04:47 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Swan Swan H wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Yup to the tomahawk chop. Also, how is every booth of every team on the road the "Peeless Boilers Broadcast Booth"? The plaque is magnetic, rather than affixed with a permanent adhesive. Don't you disappear again, Swannie.

Edgy MD Jul 14 2012 04:48 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

bmfc1 wrote: Edgy DC wrote: how is every booth of every team on the road the "Peeless Boilers Broadcast Booth"? It should be the "Bob Murphy Broadcast Booth, brought to you by Peerless Boilers." Seems obvious, doesn't it? And it would probably be a better association for Peerless.

bmfc1 Jul 14 2012 04:52 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Good point, Edgy. Instead of being annoyed or ignoring the mention, we'd think nice thoughts of Bob Murphy and Peerless would benefit. BTW, it's "Peerless"--your wrote "Peeless." That's an entirely different product.

Zvon Jul 14 2012 04:54 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

What an at bat by Tejada. What a good piece of hitting. That's a big run.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 14 2012 04:55 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Tejada's Alfonzoness only gets stronger in the late innings, doesn't it? Send Varvaro to the glue factory, 'Spin.

Edgy MD Jul 14 2012 04:56 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

I don't care if Tejada never steals a base or steals a moment, he's my leadoff batter.

Swan Swan H Jul 14 2012 04:57 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

I love David Wright like the son-in-law I still hope he might someday be, but there is not a current Met I'd rather see up with the game on the line than Ruben Tejada.

Edgy MD Jul 14 2012 05:06 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Big spots for Edgin, Beato, and (hopefully next inning) Parnell. We're building a bullpen on top of the one we bought.

Zvon Jul 14 2012 05:08 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Beato becomes the 4th pitcher to help build that bridge to Parnell. Do the job Pedro!

Zvon Jul 14 2012 05:11 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Whew. Great play by Valde to hold Uggs to a single.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 14 2012 05:15 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 14 2012 05:16 PM

From Opening Day shortstop/SS of the Future to striking out trying to sac-bunt as the fourth PH option. Man alive, how far has Pastornicky slipped in the Braves' estimation?

Edgy MD Jul 14 2012 05:16 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Josh Lewin: And Pastornicky can't get it down! Edgy DC: Ah, to be 14 again.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 14 2012 05:21 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

"I left my diiiiiiiiiick... on Juan Fran-cis-co..."

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 14 2012 05:26 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Yeah, I'll shut up.

Zvon Jul 14 2012 05:28 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Nymr83 Jul 14 2012 05:29 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

fucking bullpen

duan Jul 14 2012 05:30 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

this hasn't been a fun half inning. funny most of us would agree with going for the 5 out save.

Kong76 Jul 14 2012 05:30 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Fuckernutter

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 14 2012 05:32 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Wait... Tejada came out in a double-switch? What the what?

bmfc1 Jul 14 2012 05:32 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Josh and Jim both said that Tejada might have gotten the ball that went for the go-ahead single... but Shorty via Geren took out Tejada. How did it look?

Zvon Jul 14 2012 05:33 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

duan wrote: this hasn't been a fun half inning. funny most of us would agree with going for the 5 out save. I was okay with it, tho a lil surprised.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 14 2012 05:34 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

bmfc1 wrote: Josh and Jim both said that Tejada might have gotten the ball that went for the go-ahead single... but Shorty via Geren took out Tejada. How did it look? I don't know that he would have gotten it, but I definitely would TRUST him more to get it. But seriously... um, why? Geren could have just pinch-hit Cedeno in the pitcher's spot this inning.

Zvon Jul 14 2012 05:37 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

bmfc1 wrote: Josh and Jim both said that Tejada might have gotten the ball that went for the go-ahead single... but Shorty via Geren took out Tejada. How did it look? Tough diving attempt in the hole, can't say Rubin would have made it for sure. Cedeno did end the inning with a fine play on the grounder off of the Chipster.

Kong76 Jul 14 2012 05:38 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Gotta love the swinging at pitches that bounce on the plate approach to hitting.

Zvon Jul 14 2012 05:38 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Ah shit. Can't be losing games like this. Gah!

Kong76 Jul 14 2012 05:40 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

FOX can't wait to get Yankee highlights on lol.

duan Jul 14 2012 05:40 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

shit game to lose cause it would have been a great one to win.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 14 2012 05:43 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

John Franco's doing the SNY post-game? So how come he's not paired with Lee Mazzilli? [youtube:1nh27ewe]P_5f9dAfPs8[/youtube:1nh27ewe]

TransMonk Jul 14 2012 05:46 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Christ on a cracker.

Mets – Willets Point Jul 14 2012 06:14 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Josh Lewin: And Pastornicky can't get it down! Edgy DC: Ah, to be 14 again. Edward, come up and solve this problem on the blackboard.

Ashie62 Jul 14 2012 06:18 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

With the possible exception of Harvey the answer to the pitching woes do not lie within the organization.

Ashie62 Jul 14 2012 06:19 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Edgy DC wrote: Fuck Huston Street! And you have been promoting Beato...awesome!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 14 2012 07:58 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

I believe that what Edge is edging towards is that trading valuable resources for Huston Street-- or any reliever, especially one having an unsustainable-looking career-year-- would very likely be a relatively-poor use of said resources. It's a point with which I agree, for several good reasons. So, y'know, unless you're bringing something else to the debate-- be it factual support, or a new slant on the argument, or some funny-- then, maybe... basta?

Ashie62 Jul 14 2012 08:08 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

I wouldn't trade a valuable prospect either..but Valdespin is expendable. Lutz and a few more. The answer for this season is not in the organization at this moment..If it is.. who.....? Is that Basta enuff for you?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 14 2012 08:23 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Just because a bill in my pocket isn't a $100K Woodrow Wilson note-- ULTRA-RARE!-- doesn't mean it has no value; whether it's $1000 or $100 or $20... it's got some worth. And just because a guy's not untouchable Wheeler or Harvey doesn't mean he's not "valuable." Relatedly, just because I could REALLY use a soda right now, that doesn't make dropping a Benjamin on a Diet Coke a good deal. If the aim is to build a sustainably successful team, you don't want to overspend wildly, in cash or (especially) in trade. Spending Valdespin (a 24-year-old, controllable multi-position asset just beginning to build his major-league value... who may end up being a LOT more than a utility guy) to get Street (a middling-to-good reliever having a very good 24-inning stretch right now, still due about $4M in salary, and NOT the one-size-fits-all-answer to getting the Mets to the postseason) would be a pretty big overspend. As-- at this point-- it's a seller's market, reliever- and righty-power-guy-wise, there is no "answer" out there that wouldn't be pretty fuggin' expensive. As such, it would be unwise to buy, at least without exhausting all internal options. (And while we know pretty well what Street is at this point-- 8-9 Ks/9 and solid, if not unhittable, relief-- we have NO idea whether he'd represent a significant performance bump over guys like Edgin/Beato, or guys like Ramirez/Francisco pitching at their previously-established performance baselines.) tl; dr-- Giving up real ML-ready value for Huston Street = dumb buy. Repeated assertion to contrary isn't more evidence; it's just kinda chafing.

Fman99 Jul 14 2012 08:57 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

I missed, literally, every pitch of this game to entertain 20 guests (and 15 other people my wife and child invited) in my backyard for a birthday party for Fgirl today. I spent the day grilling and drinking and eating cake. Which makes me far better off than you sad sacks. I hope to catch an inning or two of tomorrow's "get the fuck away" day game after my nap. YES, MY NAP. YOU DON'T WANT ME ALL FUSSY AND SHIT.

Edgy MD Jul 14 2012 09:05 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Really, in the history of this team, has any in-season bullpen acquisition come in and made the difference? I can't think of too many for any team, really. The closest I can think of is Guillermo Mota, who came in and picked up where Duaner Sanchez left off in 2006, but (a) the Mets got him for nothing, (b) we were heading to the playoffs with or without him, (c) he ended up sucking it up in the post-season, (d) he was a-cheating, and (e) the Mets should have shunned him and instead paid him good money to take them for a ride and get suspended. Meanwhile, we've given up valuable players like Jason Isringhausen and Jason Bay. Half of Xavier Nady too. We lost this, in the end, on a few stupid grounders that split the infield. The answer isn't to trade for a more perfect bullpen. The answer is to build more margin for error.

Ashie62 Jul 14 2012 10:28 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Just because a bill in my pocket isn't a $100K Woodrow Wilson note-- ULTRA-RARE!-- doesn't mean it has no value; whether it's $1000 or $100 or $20... it's got some worth. And just because a guy's not untouchable Wheeler or Harvey doesn't mean he's not "valuable." Relatedly, just because I could REALLY use a soda right now, that doesn't make dropping a Benjamin on a Diet Coke a good deal. If the aim is to build a sustainably successful team, you don't want to overspend wildly, in cash or (especially) in trade. Spending Valdespin (a 24-year-old, controllable multi-position asset just beginning to build his major-league value... who may end up being a LOT more than a utility guy) to get Street (a middling-to-good reliever having a very good 24-inning stretch right now, still due about $4M in salary, and NOT the one-size-fits-all-answer to getting the Mets to the postseason) would be a pretty big overspend. As-- at this point-- it's a seller's market, reliever- and righty-power-guy-wise, there is no "answer" out there that wouldn't be pretty fuggin' expensive. As such, it would be unwise to buy, at least without exhausting all internal options. (And while we know pretty well what Street is at this point-- 8-9 Ks/9 and solid, if not unhittable, relief-- we have NO idea whether he'd represent a significant performance bump over guys like Edgin/Beato, or guys like Ramirez/Francisco pitching at their previously-established performance baselines.) tl; dr-- Giving up real ML-ready value for Huston Street = dumb buy. Repeated assertion to contrary isn't more evidence; it's just kinda chafing. Alot of speculation there. I agree to disagree...They make corn starch for chafing..Your argument is at best absurd.

Ceetar Jul 14 2012 11:40 PM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

Edgy DC wrote: Really, in the history of this team, has any in-season bullpen acquisition come in and made the difference? I can't think of too many for any team, really. The closest I can think of is Guillermo Mota, who came in and picked up where Duaner Sanchez left off in 2006, but (a) the Mets got him for nothing, (b) we were heading to the playoffs with or without him, (c) he ended up sucking it up in the post-season, (d) he was a-cheating, and (e) the Mets should have shunned him and instead paid him good money to take them for a ride, get suspended, and pitch like snot in 2007 when we needed him. Meanwhile, we've given up valuable players like Jason Isringhausen and Jason Bay. Half of Xavier Nady too. We lost this, in the end, on a few stupid grounders that split the infield. The answer isn't to trade for a more perfect bullpen. The answer is to build more margin for error. This brings me back to the idea of "what can we do to get more out of our relievers that we have"? Maybe there is something, scouting wise, that they could be doing differently in preparation. And maybe it's simply usage. But I haven't hated the Mets usage that much this year. I loved going to Parnell for the save in that spot, and playing the infield back, or positioning a step or two left or right and that's a quick 2-3 inning for Parnell. Ultimately he left balls where they could hit them, but all Ks and grounders is really what you want from your relievers and I hope they don't let a small sample of results sour them on using Bobby as much as possible.

Edgy MD Jul 15 2012 05:57 AM Re: IGT 7-14 Mets @ Braves

This brings me back to the idea of "what can we do to get more out of our relievers that we have"? That's the way to think. Looking in some other boy's yard at the cool bike he has and whining to your parents that yours sucks is never cool.