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IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Fman99 Jul 16 2012 11:57 AM

Niese vs. Ross Detwiler. Time to get off the shnide.

TransMonk Jul 16 2012 12:17 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

I'm going to be taking advantage of the free MLB Extra Innings preview this week and will watch this one from the comfort of my living room couch rather than the comfort of my office chair. My old roommate from 1995 will be visiting and watching the game with me. He was originally from Bayonne and is the only other Wisconsin Mets fan I've spent anytime with. He has lived in California for several years, but it will be nice to catch up over some pizza and a Mets game.

Swan Swan H Jul 16 2012 12:26 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

TransMonk wrote: I'm going to be taking advantage of the free MLB Extra Innings preview this week and will watch this one from the comfort of my living room couch rather than the comfort of my office chair. My old roommate from 1995 will be visiting and watching the game with me. He was originally from Bayonne and is the only other Wisconsin Mets fan I've spent anytime with. He has lived in California for several years, but it will be nice to catch up over some pizza and a Mets game. That definitely sounds like fun, but I may have to add 'They have pizza in Wisconsin' to the 'Things you only learned recently' thread.

TransMonk Jul 16 2012 12:38 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Whoa!!! I think pizza is pretty a pretty national thing. If you ever visit, I'll have my wife make you some from scratch. Her's is the best...but we will probably end up with delivery tomorrow. Oh...and they'll be beer tomorrow. That shouldn't be as shocking.

Ceetar Jul 16 2012 12:42 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

TransMonk wrote: Whoa!!! I think pizza is pretty a pretty national thing. If you ever visit, I'll have my wife make you some from scratch. Her's is the best...but we will probably end up with delivery tomorrow. Oh...and they'll be beer tomorrow. That shouldn't be as shocking. It's not . But I imagine the cheese gives Wisconsin a leg up on everyone but New York and St Louis.

bmfc1 Jul 17 2012 08:31 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

My guess at tonight's lineup against Detwiler (LHP): 1. Tejada 2. Murphy 3. Wright 4. Hairston 5. Bay 6. Davis 7. Nickeas 8. Torres 9. Niese. Cedeno could play 2B. Thole could catch but it's not a big deal either way (Nickeas is 0 for 5 v Detwiler). Turner (1 for 6) could play 1B and then make a critical mistake that costs the Mets at least one run but hey!, they'd have his potent bat in the lineup. Torres could bat #2 but that puts two left-handed bats in the 2d half of the order. No matter how you look at it, it's an embarrassment of riches! http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/batvspitc ... s-detwiler

Ceetar Jul 17 2012 08:38 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

I'd move Bay ahead of Hairston. Hairston, even against lefties, is still a lot more of a feast or famine guy, where Bay is more likely to get on making it more likely Hairston's hit drives in runs.

bmfc1 Jul 17 2012 08:44 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

That's a lot of pressure on Bay, first game back. You wouldn't want him to feel any heat... it's not like the team is depending on him to help improve how poorly they've been doing against LHPs. But if I see Shorty, I'll pass on the suggestion.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 08:47 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Didn't go for Cedeño or Turner over Moiphy. Interesting. I really like Tejada and Murphy at the top of the lineup, but not necessarily against lefties. I'm fine with Hairston in front of Bay. It's the middle of the lineup, so we're not looking of table setters, I'm not convinced he's a better one than Hairston anyhow, and he has enough problems without having to bat cleanup against a first-place team on his first day back.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 17 2012 08:49 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Asked if he’d rejoin the Mets if the decision were up to him, Bay said, “That’s a good question. I’m going to see what they say. If you ask any guy, they’re going to stay, ‘Get up there.’ I just want to make sure it’s the best thing.” Boy if that doesn't whet your appetite for hot Jason Bay Action, I don't know what will. Maybe he'll show up with the flu again and smash his head into a fence.

TransMonk Jul 17 2012 08:52 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Maybe he'll show up with the flu again and smash his head into a fence. BOC!!

Swan Swan H Jul 17 2012 08:53 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

I'd move Bay ahead of Hairston. Hairston, even against lefties, is still a lot more of a feast or famine guy, where Bay is more likely to get on making it more likely Hairston's hit drives in runs. Maybe in years past, but this year Hairy's OBP vs. LHP is a few ticks higher than Bay's (.333 to .321). If and when Bay can prove he's not that hitter he deserves to move up.

bmfc1 Jul 17 2012 08:56 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Asked if he’d rejoin the Mets if the decision were up to him, Bay said, “That’s a good question. I’m going to see what they say. If you ask any guy, they’re going to stay, ‘Get up there.’ I just want to make sure it’s the best thing.” Boy if that doesn't whet your appetite for hot Jason Bay Action, I don't know what will. Maybe he'll show up with the flu again and smash his head into a fence. Thanks for quoting this, JCL. He should say "I can't wait to get back in the lineup and help the team" but he manages to say exactly the wrong thing.

Ceetar Jul 17 2012 08:58 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Edgy DC wrote: Didn't go for Cedeño or Turner over Moiphy. Interesting. I really like Tejada and Murphy at the top of the lineup, but not necessarily against lefties. I'm fine with Hairston in front of Bay. It's the middle of the lineup, so we're not looking of table setters, I'm not convinced he's a better one than Hairston anyhow, and he has enough problems without having to bat cleanup against a first-place team on his first day back. He's supposed to be a slugger. Batting in the cleanup spot and driving in David Wright is pretty much exactly what he was signed for. Maybe there is more comfort and familiarity with it than pressure. Swan Swan H wrote: I'd move Bay ahead of Hairston. Hairston, even against lefties, is still a lot more of a feast or famine guy, where Bay is more likely to get on making it more likely Hairston's hit drives in runs. Maybe in years past, but this year Hairy's OBP vs. LHP is a few ticks higher than Bay's (.333 to .321). If and when Bay can prove he's not that hitter he deserves to move up. Bay has merely 28 PA against lefties this year. It's hardly meaningful data. Bay as a general rule is the more patient hitter. Then again, hitting inbetween Scott and David, you'd have to be a fool to walk him.

Swan Swan H Jul 17 2012 09:02 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Ceetar wrote: Bay has merely 28 PA against lefties this year. It's hardly meaningful data. Bay as a general rule is the more patient hitter. Then again, hitting inbetween Scott and David, you'd have to be a fool to walk him. So you'd rather pitch to Bay than Hairston? How does that justify hitting him higher in the order?

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 09:03 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Ceetar wrote: I'd move Bay ahead of Hairston. Hairston, even against lefties, is still a lot more of a feast or famine guy, where Bay is more likely to get on making it more likely Hairston's hit drives in runs. Ceetar wrote: He's supposed to be a slugger. Batting in the cleanup spot and driving in David Wright is pretty much exactly what he was signed for. Maybe there is more comfort and familiarity with it than pressure. Which is it --- that Bay should bat before Hairston because he's a better bet to get on, or that he should bat before Hairston because he's a better bet to drive in runs?

Ceetar Jul 17 2012 09:26 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Edgy DC wrote: Ceetar wrote: I'd move Bay ahead of Hairston. Hairston, even against lefties, is still a lot more of a feast or famine guy, where Bay is more likely to get on making it more likely Hairston's hit drives in runs. Ceetar wrote: He's supposed to be a slugger. Batting in the cleanup spot and driving in David Wright is pretty much exactly what he was signed for. Maybe there is more comfort and familiarity with it than pressure. Which is it --- that Bay should bat before Hairston because he's a better bet to get on, or that he should bat before Hairston because he's a better bet to drive in runs? I think he's a better bet to get on. I also don't think there is any 'omg I have to suddenly carry this team and I can't handle the pressure of cleanup'. It's presumably the role he's most comfortable in. The flip side of that argument to me is that I think a pitcher is much more likely to pitch to Bay and NOT walk him, with Hairston and Wright sandwiching him. It ultimately comes down to if Bay can capitalize on perhaps a couple more hitable pitches.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 17 2012 10:07 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Asked if he’d rejoin the Mets if the decision were up to him, Bay said, “That’s a good question. I’m going to see what they say. If you ask any guy, they’re going to stay, ‘Get up there.’ I just want to make sure it’s the best thing.” Boy if that doesn't whet your appetite for hot Jason Bay Action, I don't know what will. Maybe he'll show up with the flu again and smash his head into a fence. Almost snarfed my sandwich reading this. I'd go: Tejada Murphy Wright Hairston Davis Bay Torres Nickeas Niese If the idea is that Hairston and Bay smash lefties, then you'll want to buffer the slowly-reheating Ike against the mid-game LOOGYing (and Wright/whoever's cleanup against a RHP), no?

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 10:10 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

I'd probably bump Ike up like that also.

bmfc1 Jul 17 2012 01:47 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 17 2012 02:18 PM

METS: Tejada-SS Cedeno-2B Wright-3B Hairston-RF Bay-LF Davis-1B Torres-CF Nickeas-C Niese-LHP Q DFA'd.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 17 2012 02:17 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Ceetar wrote: I'd move Bay ahead of Hairston. Hairston, even against lefties, is still a lot more of a feast or famine guy, where Bay is more likely to get on making it more likely Hairston's hit drives in runs. Totally agree with you on this one, right down to the rationale. Bay before Hairston.

duan Jul 17 2012 03:15 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

I wouldn't have any problem at all with us having a total platoon outfield. Valedspin - Nieuwy - Duda vs righties, Bay - Torres - Hairston vs lefties. Valedspin's ability to play the infield makes that a possibility. Give it a run for 2 weeks and see how we go. Between PH'ing and relief pitchers we'll see who steps it up vs the other hand. Keith Law made a good point a couple of weeks ago, the important is to get value of what people CAN do rather then obsessing what they can't. Put them all doing things they can do and we get the most out of them. If we put them in the position to succeed and they still don't we'll be out of the race and can trade the parts to get better for next year (you'd have to think Hairston, Byrdak and maybe even Rauch would net something worthwhile.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 03:21 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Keith Law made a good point a couple of weeks ago, the important is to get value of what people CAN do rather then obsessing what they can't. Put them all doing things they can do and we get the most out of them. Absolutely. Major leagues here. All the best managers have learned this, and didn't seem to undermine careers along the way, either. Totally on board with the triple platoon outfield. Baxter can displace Valdy or knock him back to the infield when he comes back.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 03:26 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Lucas Duda preps for game by getting an anti-inflammatory shot in his hammy.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 17 2012 03:30 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

duan wrote: Keith Law made a good point a couple of weeks ago, the important is to get value of what people CAN do rather then obsessing what they can't. Yes. And then tell that to Dave Magadan's Met managers.

Vic Sage Jul 17 2012 03:37 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

stengel, weaver, larussa... all the best managers have always operated this way. i have absolutely no problem with a platoon system.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 03:46 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

The problem is the idea that you're somehow stagnating a player's development by constricting his role. That platooning is for washouts, but not for developing players I would say that showing a player that he has skills that make him a successful and vital --- if not everyday --- part of a winning big league team is not going to undermine him. The idea remains to win, and the best gift you can give Lucas Duda is a chance every day to be on the team that's winning.

Zvon Jul 17 2012 03:49 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Ashie62 Jul 17 2012 04:22 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

TOTALLY AWESOME!

Ceetar Jul 17 2012 05:00 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Let's do this. I'd put my money on Teddy winning the race over the Nats winning tonight.

seawolf17 Jul 17 2012 05:02 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

At Nats Park. Nice place, actually. Will look for bmfc later.

Ceetar Jul 17 2012 05:07 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

seawolf17 wrote: At Nats Park. Nice place, actually. Will look for bmfc later. was planning on going down the next series, but probably not anymore. still haven't seen it.

Ceetar Jul 17 2012 05:29 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

ooo ooo, another reason for Bay in front of Hairston is when Bay inevitably sucks, at least he can only make one out?

Swan Swan H Jul 17 2012 05:36 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Son, daughter, whoever. I want one of my kids to marry Ruben Tejada.

Zvon Jul 17 2012 05:44 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Swan Swan H wrote: Son, daughter, whoever. I want one of my kids to marry Ruben Tejada. Another great at bat and hit by your future son in law.

Zvon Jul 17 2012 05:53 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

DAMN! Morse's glove finds ball.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 06:02 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Four innings in under an hour.

Frayed Knot Jul 17 2012 06:05 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Zvon wrote: DAMN! Morse's glove finds ball. We've had enough good plays made against us by more lousy outfielders in the last week to fill our quota for the next year or so.

Swan Swan H Jul 17 2012 06:12 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

I hate spunk.

Swan Swan H Jul 17 2012 06:30 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Niese is pitching his schnozz off. How about a couple of runs, fellas?

Zvon Jul 17 2012 06:34 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Ha! Morse sucks. Wright wrules.

Swan Swan H Jul 17 2012 06:34 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Morse goes Full Abreu at the right field wall. Wright on second, none out.

Zvon Jul 17 2012 06:40 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Fuck. 2 out. Don't tell me we ain't gonna plate Dave. Come on guys.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 06:40 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Teufel read my scouting report.

Zvon Jul 17 2012 06:42 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Gah.Ugh.Damn.

Ashie62 Jul 17 2012 06:49 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Cmon Mets just one run!

Fman99 Jul 17 2012 06:52 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

I miss the lost art of hitting. Someone reanimate Charlie Lau, quick.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 06:54 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Not sure why Murphy is coming up and not Turner here.

Ashie62 Jul 17 2012 06:55 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Terry, you really really need this one!

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 06:55 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

And Torres was safe. Baserunners are almost always right about plays at first.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 06:56 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Edgy DC wrote: Not sure why Murphy is coming up and not Turner here. Well, can't argue with the results.

Swan Swan H Jul 17 2012 06:57 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 17 2012 06:57 PM

So if this cocksucker gets the call right the go-ahead run is at second with none out.

Ceetar Jul 17 2012 06:57 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Edgy DC wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Not sure why Murphy is coming up and not Turner here. Well, can't argue with the results. now Turner. let's see..

Swan Swan H Jul 17 2012 06:59 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

(((sigh))))

Ceetar Jul 17 2012 07:00 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

ugh a lot.

Frayed Knot Jul 17 2012 07:01 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

You get the idea that this game could go 25 innings and we still wouldn't score.

Frayed Knot Jul 17 2012 07:02 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Umps haven't exactly been doing us many favors lately either.

Ceetar Jul 17 2012 07:04 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Frayed Knot wrote: Umps haven't exactly been doing us many favors lately either. And Wright's fly out and Moore's HR were roughly the same distance. game of inches. The Mets are just playing with no margin for error lately.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 07:05 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Pinch hit Dadududa for Hairston in the ninth?

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 07:06 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Josh Edgin.

Swan Swan H Jul 17 2012 07:07 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Edgy DC wrote: Josh Edgin. I thought I heard something.

Ceetar Jul 17 2012 07:07 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Edgy DC wrote: Pinch hit Dadududa for Hairston in the ninth? Probably. or Bay if someone's on?

Frayed Knot Jul 17 2012 07:08 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Edgy DC wrote: Pinch hit Dadududa for Hairston in the ninth? Assuming it's Clippard pitching and that Duda is fully healthy? - Yes.

Frayed Knot Jul 17 2012 07:10 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 17 2012 07:11 PM

Here's where the 2nd LHP comes into play. Using Edgin here made Davey waste Bernadina both as a potential AB and a defensive replacement for Morse or Moore. oe: Of course, proceeding to walk the weak-hitting DeRosa isn't part of that plan.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 07:10 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Guess a walk was gonna happen eventually.

Ceetar Jul 17 2012 07:10 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Frayed Knot wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Pinch hit Dadududa for Hairston in the ninth? Assuming it's Clippard pitching and that Duda is fully healthy? - Yes. Gary just said he had a cortizone shot yestserday, so probably not. those things usually take a couple of days.

Ashie62 Jul 17 2012 07:11 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Go Bullpen!

Ashie62 Jul 17 2012 07:13 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Ashie62 wrote: Go Bullpen! I'm shocked

Fman99 Jul 17 2012 07:13 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Gay.

Frayed Knot Jul 17 2012 07:14 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

THAT wasn't part of the plan either. The 2nd run there just dropped our chances at winning this game from 5% to maybe 1/4%

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 07:16 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

This game needs some Daughtry!

Swan Swan H Jul 17 2012 07:18 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Let's

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 07:19 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Tholy! Tholi! Thole! Got Nieuwie available here too. Good pinch hit for both Bay and Hair. [bigpurple:3oes9u09]GO[/bigpurple:3oes9u09]

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 17 2012 07:20 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Praying to the fake yabbos of Anna Benson....

Frayed Knot Jul 17 2012 07:20 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 17 2012 07:21 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Tholy! Tholi! Thole! Got Nieuwie available here too. Good pinch hit for both Bay and Hair. GO[/bigpurple] You do realize that Nieuwenhuis is like 5 for his last 90 w/50 strike-outs, right? Not so sure I'd hit him for Nickeas at this point.

Zvon Jul 17 2012 07:21 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 17 2012 07:22 PM

METS[/bigpurple]

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 17 2012 07:21 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

OK, in biz.

Fman99 Jul 17 2012 07:22 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Well that's a good start. Hairy, go get em.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 07:22 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Sure, but Bay has been, you know, less than that. Now, please no buntage.

Swan Swan H Jul 17 2012 07:22 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

I'd hit Ashie for Nickeas.

Frayed Knot Jul 17 2012 07:23 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Hairston had the worst AB of the game so far. Time to make up for it.

Zvon Jul 17 2012 07:25 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Frayed Knot wrote: Hairston had the worst AB of the game so far. Time to make up for it. Hairball loves that high fastball and Clip can throw some high heat and..gah!

Ashie62 Jul 17 2012 07:25 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Frayed Knot wrote: Hairston had the worst AB of the game so far. Time to make up for it. Make that 2

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 07:25 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

OK, strikeout beats a GiDP.

Frayed Knot Jul 17 2012 07:25 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Swan Swan H wrote: I'd hit Ashie for Nickeas. I'd hit Ashie's sister for Nieuwenhuis.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 17 2012 07:27 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Valdy is the man right now.

Swan Swan H Jul 17 2012 07:27 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 07:27 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

BS call for strike two.

Ashie62 Jul 17 2012 07:28 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

YES!!!!!!

Fman99 Jul 17 2012 07:28 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

JORDANY FUCKING VALDESPIN!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 17 2012 07:28 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Holy shit

themetfairy Jul 17 2012 07:29 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

JorBOOMY!!!!!

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 07:29 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

[bigpurple:1mw69kz6]HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!![/bigpurple:1mw69kz6]

Zvon Jul 17 2012 07:29 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Frayed Knot Jul 17 2012 07:29 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Somebody 'Speen me a hit record!!

Ashie62 Jul 17 2012 07:30 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Thats a HR

Frayed Knot Jul 17 2012 07:30 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Y'know, the way this week has been going for us umpire-wise ...

Swan Swan H Jul 17 2012 07:31 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

themetfairy Jul 17 2012 07:31 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Video review confirms the homer.

Frayed Knot Jul 17 2012 07:31 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Frayed Knot wrote: Y'know, the way this week has been going for us umpire-wise ... But even the curse of Angel Hernandez can't screw this one up.

Swan Swan H Jul 17 2012 07:32 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Step on his neck, Ike. Let's get some more.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 07:32 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Fman99 Jul 17 2012 07:33 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Zvon's artwork is the shit.

Frayed Knot Jul 17 2012 07:34 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Frayed Knot wrote: THAT wasn't part of the plan either. The 2nd run there just dropped our chances at winning this game from 5% to maybe 1/4% Now, with a one-run lead and only three outs to get, we're up to a 20% chance of winning.

Zvon Jul 17 2012 07:34 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

*tips cap TACK ON MORE! If we don't score a dozen I don't think I can sit thru the bottom of the 9th.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 07:35 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Keep in mind, Speen was down 0-2.

Swan Swan H Jul 17 2012 07:35 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

FK's glass is half full. Of bilge water.

Zvon Jul 17 2012 07:37 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Edgy DC wrote: Keep in mind, Speen was down 0-2. And it was a pretty good pitch he went out and got.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 07:38 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Zimmerman/Morse/LaRoche/Moore. Tough assignment.

Swan Swan H Jul 17 2012 07:38 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Edgy DC wrote: Zimmerman/Morse/LaRoche/Moore. Tough assignment. Bums, the lot of them.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 07:39 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Those were both strikes.

Swan Swan H Jul 17 2012 07:39 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Hernandez is squeezing Parnell already.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 17 2012 07:39 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Cameraman thought that Zim shot was gone.

Fman99 Jul 17 2012 07:39 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

One down.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 07:40 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Don't squeeze my pitcher, Blue! OE: Didn't know it was Hernandez back there.

Swan Swan H Jul 17 2012 07:40 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

The big one is down. These two stiffs can be pitched to.

Frayed Knot Jul 17 2012 07:41 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Zimmerman's FO? -- 20 rows deep in YSIII or 30? And if you're the size of Michael Morse, you can't be walking out to A-Ha's 'Take on Me'

Ashie62 Jul 17 2012 07:42 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Shitfuck

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 07:44 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

It don't come easy.

Zvon Jul 17 2012 07:44 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Crapshit

Fman99 Jul 17 2012 07:44 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Fucking hell.

Kong76 Jul 17 2012 07:45 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

This could really suck quickly

Zvon Jul 17 2012 07:45 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

We can't lose this one. We cant lose this one. WE CAN'T LOSE THIS ONE!

Swan Swan H Jul 17 2012 07:45 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Just setting up the game-ending DP.

Ashie62 Jul 17 2012 07:45 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Bullpen sucks

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 07:46 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

You defend against the tying run or the winning run here?

metsguyinmichigan Jul 17 2012 07:46 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

I give Valdy credit. He makes his homers count.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 17 2012 07:47 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Strike 3

Zvon Jul 17 2012 07:47 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

HUGE K! WRAP IT UP BOBBY!

metsguyinmichigan Jul 17 2012 07:47 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Big K!

Fman99 Jul 17 2012 07:47 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

WOW, gutsy pitching by Bobby P to throw three straight curveballs. That's two.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 07:48 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Byrdak up in the pen?

metsguyinmichigan Jul 17 2012 07:50 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Gamecast says Bobby's thrown all curveballs to Espinosa.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 17 2012 07:51 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

fuck

Ashie62 Jul 17 2012 07:51 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

TOO LATE

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 07:51 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Pitch was on the corner. Couldn't have done it better.

metsguyinmichigan Jul 17 2012 07:51 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Aw hell.

Swan Swan H Jul 17 2012 07:51 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Gamecast says Bobby's thrown all curveballs to Espinosa. Up until the fastball he smoked up the middle.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 07:52 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Wish he came up and in, though.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 17 2012 07:52 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Had 'em on that DP grounder. #DamnDavey

Fman99 Jul 17 2012 07:52 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Ceetar Jul 17 2012 07:53 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Had 'em on that DP grounder. #DamnDavey again, damn margin of error. game of inches, blah blah blah. wish Ike had blasted one back to back with Jordany..

Ashie62 Jul 17 2012 07:53 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Alderson wake the fuck up..or don't

Zvon Jul 17 2012 07:54 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Parnell, you're killin me. At least we didn't lose there. Now go get me those dozen runs you crazyGoNutz Mets.

Swan Swan H Jul 17 2012 07:55 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Who's left on the bench? I count Nooey and Ashie's sister.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 07:55 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Dadududa.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 07:56 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Murphy is so awesome.

Ceetar Jul 17 2012 07:56 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Swan Swan H wrote: Who's left on the bench? I count Nooey and Ashie's sister. Duda, who may not be avail, and Kirk.

Swan Swan H Jul 17 2012 07:56 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

I was sure he'd call him out. Way to bust it, Murph.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 07:57 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Bunting is so not awesome.

Frayed Knot Jul 17 2012 07:57 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Edgy DC wrote: Bunting is so not awesome. It's better than a K

Frayed Knot Jul 17 2012 07:58 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Murph should be on 3rd there.

Ceetar Jul 17 2012 07:58 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Frayed Knot wrote: Murph should be on 3rd there. with 2 outs probably better not to risk it.

Frayed Knot Jul 17 2012 08:00 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Ceetar wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: Murph should be on 3rd there. with 2 outs probably better not to risk it. The RF, who's really a 1B, caught that backing up and on his heels. If there's a WP during this AB I'm going to throw the remote through the window.

Zvon Jul 17 2012 08:01 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

[bigpurple:14n5h4iw]THOLE!!!![/bigpurple:14n5h4iw]

Fman99 Jul 17 2012 08:02 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

JOSH MUTHAFUCKIN THOLE!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 17 2012 08:02 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Thole Moly!

themetfairy Jul 17 2012 08:02 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Yea Joshie!

Frayed Knot Jul 17 2012 08:02 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

And now it all doesn't matter. And now we need about six more of those.

metsguyinmichigan Jul 17 2012 08:02 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

THOLE!!!

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 08:02 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Thole is so awesome. We've done this twice against a pretty awesome pen. Wow.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 08:04 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Ankiel-Lombardozzi-Harper in the ninth. Gotta go with Byrdak, right?

Zvon Jul 17 2012 08:05 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Yea, Pitch to Wright you foolish Nats. Jeeeeze that was low.

Frayed Knot Jul 17 2012 08:06 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Edgy DC wrote: Ankiel-Lombardozzi-Harper in the ninth. Gotta go with Byrdak, right? He's been warming.

Zvon Jul 17 2012 08:07 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Edgy DC wrote: Ankiel-Lombardozzi-Harper in the ninth. Gotta go with Byrdak, right? Can Ashies sister pitch?

Fman99 Jul 17 2012 08:07 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

OK, let's try this whole "close out the win" thing again, you fucking abomination of a bullpen.

Frayed Knot Jul 17 2012 08:08 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Frayed Knot wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Ankiel-Lombardozzi-Harper in the ninth. Gotta go with Byrdak, right? He's been warming. Actually it's the backup catcher Solano, then Lombardozzi & Harper

Ceetar Jul 17 2012 08:08 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

keep him off the bases, so no baserunning hijinks can kill us for the third time.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 08:09 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Byrd is the wyrd.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 08:10 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Wait, Solano over Ankiel?

Frayed Knot Jul 17 2012 08:10 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Edgy DC wrote: Wait, Solano over Ankiel? He was double-switched in last inning. Doesn't matter, we can't get back-up catchers out anyway.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 17 2012 08:11 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Been slowly gaining since starting an hour-and-a-half late on DVR and JUST caught up with you guys for this. Let's close, shall we?

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 08:11 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Edgy DC wrote: Wait, Solano over Ankiel? Damn, I said this guy could hack in my KTE.

metsguyinmichigan Jul 17 2012 08:11 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

I suppose as long as they don't let the leadoff man get on ...... aw

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 08:12 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

If it comes down to Zimmerman, Beato gets him?

Ceetar Jul 17 2012 08:12 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Let's see if we can get the 2 out save here.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 08:13 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Holy shit, baseball.

Zvon Jul 17 2012 08:13 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

unfuckinbelievable

Ceetar Jul 17 2012 08:13 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

nope.

Fman99 Jul 17 2012 08:13 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING METS.

metsguyinmichigan Jul 17 2012 08:13 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

You have got to be kidding me.

Kong76 Jul 17 2012 08:14 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

This Harper dude is gonna be a thorn in our sides for many years to come.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 17 2012 08:15 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Urgh.

Ashie62 Jul 17 2012 08:15 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

So it goes, so it goes, so it gos where its goin Met fans know

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 08:15 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Been a long time since I've seen a double intentional walk. Huge dis.

Frayed Knot Jul 17 2012 08:16 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Edgy DC wrote: If it comes down to Zimmerman, Beato gets him? Does it really matter at this point? I swear we could stick Koufax circa '63 in our pen and some lefty-hitting scrub would take him deep.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 08:17 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Holy smoke.

Ashie62 Jul 17 2012 08:18 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Friends dont let friends use Beato

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 17 2012 08:18 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Jeebus. Here we go Beato.

Frayed Knot Jul 17 2012 08:19 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

3-6-3 would have been a gutsy call there and it might have worked against the slow-footed LaRoche. Would have depended on where the SS was positioned.

Swan Swan H Jul 17 2012 08:19 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 17 2012 08:19 PM

He goes to second and LaRoche is still out by 40 feet. Goddammit. OE: Tejada was three feet from second when Davis released the ball.

Frayed Knot Jul 17 2012 08:19 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Ashie62 wrote: Friends dont let friends use Beato So who do you suggest here?

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 08:20 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Ashie62 wrote: Friends dont let friends use Beato Smashie, sing it a lullaby.

Ashie62 Jul 17 2012 08:20 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Ashie62 Jul 17 2012 08:21 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Frayed Knot wrote: Ashie62 wrote: Friends dont let friends use Beato So who do you suggest here? Uh...Huston.....just kidding

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 08:22 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Goodnight.

Nymr83 Jul 17 2012 08:22 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

FUCK BASEBALLL

Ashie62 Jul 17 2012 08:22 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Told ya

Frayed Knot Jul 17 2012 08:22 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

That wasn't too predictable.

Zvon Jul 17 2012 08:23 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Had to win this game. Had to.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 17 2012 08:23 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 17 2012 08:23 PM

I was thinking HBP, so... hey, baseball!

Ashie62 Jul 17 2012 08:23 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Ashie62 wrote: Ashie62 wrote: Friends dont let friends use Beato So who do you suggest here? Uh...Huston.....just kidding Ask Sandy do nothing

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 17 2012 08:23 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Ashie62 wrote: Told ya Good that now you're retired you can be a full-time asshole.

Frayed Knot Jul 17 2012 08:23 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Ashie62 wrote: Told ya Still waiting for your alternative suggestion.

metsguyinmichigan Jul 17 2012 08:24 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Can you imagine where we'd be if the bullpen had only half as many losses?

Ashie62 Jul 17 2012 08:25 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Ashie62 wrote: Told ya Good that now you're retired you can be a full-time asshole. Ask Sandy JCL, your parents have any children that lived? Fuck you

Ceetar Jul 17 2012 08:26 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

i still can't get past the hit and run bad luck. or good call by DAvey, whichever way you want to look at it.

Kong76 Jul 17 2012 08:26 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

That was fun

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 08:28 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Ashie62 wrote: Told ya Because you would have gone with...

Ceetar Jul 17 2012 08:31 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

They win that one at home. Must be nice to have a 6 (well, 4 over Braves) game cushion where you can blow leads occasionally and not panic.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 17 2012 08:32 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I was thinking HBP, so... hey, baseball! Yeah I was about to write it on the previous pitch.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 08:32 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Ashie62 wrote: Ashie62 wrote: Told ya Good that now you're retired you can be a full-time asshole. Ask Sandy JCL, your parents have any children that lived? Fuck you Ashie, you took about a half a dozen shits in this thread. If you hate the Mets, just say so and be the troll you want so much to be. Otherwise, come back to the fucking light, man.

Ashie62 Jul 17 2012 08:34 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Yes..you now it all...JCL started this shit. Grow up NY slugs.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 08:35 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

The word is "know," with a K. You didn't take a half a dozen shits?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 17 2012 08:39 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

From the Silver Lining Department: Game Time-- 3:13!

Kong76 Jul 17 2012 08:42 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

I thought they were gonna win when Ike made that nice play at first and threw home.

Zvon Jul 17 2012 08:50 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Listen folks. A IGT is a place to watch/hear/read, support, and vent when the need be (IMO). I can understand if Ashie feels the need to vent. Esp during, as well as after this game. We are all Met fan friends here. So lets all ease up? This was just a horrible loss. Lets not make it any worse.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 08:52 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

I don't know if that's what I call venting, but sure.

Kong76 Jul 17 2012 08:52 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

F you, Z! hee hee

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 17 2012 09:02 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

If this were the old days we'd have had this out years ago, but better just to ignore as usual. But let's get off this notion that we're all just great guys doing our best to try and get along here. If you're going to be a deliberate ignorant no-account shit you've got to be prepared to hear it from time to time.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 17 2012 09:07 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: If this were the old days we'd have had this out years ago, but better just to ignore as usual. But let's get off this notion that we're all just great guys doing our best to try and get along here. If you're going to be a deliberate ignorant no-account shit you've got to be prepared to hear it from time to time. IF YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING TO SAY TO ME, SAY IT TO MY PRETEND INTERNET FACE

Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 09:21 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Pelf's failure was an unwillingness to come inside. He set the guy up with curves, and then paints the black away with a 99-MPH heater. Sweet pitch, but you had the batter protecting away. Up and in, baby.

Ceetar Jul 17 2012 09:26 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Edgy DC wrote: Pelf's failure was an unwillingness to come inside. He set the guy up with curves, and then paints the black away with a 99-MPH heater. Sweet pitch, but you had the batter protecting away. Up and in, baby. Freudian? Parnell. pitch selection again. Who chose that pitch? Who taught him/them to set up batters? Thole? Parnell? Warthen? This pitch selection stuff is way above my head..but I always seem to think they start batters off good and don't execute/pick the right/good/appropriate finisher. Seems like a lot of damage has been done against the Mets with 2 strikes.

Zvon Jul 17 2012 09:28 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: If this were the old days we'd have had this out years ago, but better just to ignore as usual. But let's get off this notion that we're all just great guys doing our best to try and get along here. If you're going to be a deliberate ignorant no-account shit you've got to be prepared to hear it from time to time. I totally agree with this. I think I get where Ashies at. He's fed up. We need pen help bad and they arent makin the moves in the front office, just biding their time. I don't blame him for being fed up. Look, I was fed up with the Mets and was at a point where I could not say or think anything positive about them. So I stopped coming here cause I thought whats the point of bringin everyone down if all I feel is negative. And that was stupid. Cause here is the place you should be able to be negative or fed up if that's the way you feel at the time. Maybe I'm viewing this wrong, maybe there's more going on than I know (I don't read everything). Maybe its none of my business. And sure, you can and should butt heads with another if you feel its needed. If I say something you can agree, disagree,put me in my place, whatever. k, Ill shuddup now. Bad game. Maybe the worst. Gah!

seawolf17 Jul 17 2012 10:15 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Frayed Knot wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: Murph should be on 3rd there. with 2 outs probably better not to risk it. The RF, who's really a 1B, caught that backing up and on his heels. If there's a WP during this AB I'm going to throw the remote through the window. Prescient. Kong76 wrote: This Harper dude is gonna be a thorn in our sides for many years to come. Yup. Enjoyable game, outcome notwithstanding. Walked up and asked for the $12 cheap seats, and they offered us $5 extra-cheap seats that I didn't even know existed. (Downselling? Bizarre.) Very similar to the feel of Citi Field, actually, in terms of layout and sightlines. The press boxes really are as high as GKR say they are; they almost seem out of place, they're so high. Odd. Made a visit to bmfc and his sons, who all seem like very good dudes. Nats fans, by and large, a pretty agreeable bunch. LOTS of orange and blue in the crowd, way more than I expected, but very friendly all around. Had a nice discussion with a guy in front of me who's taking the train up next week to see the Nats at Citi; told him that I thought it was a comparable park. Two thumbs up for everyone involved except Jason Bay, who is completely worthless out there, and the entire bullpen, obviously.

bmfc1 Jul 17 2012 10:36 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

As mad as any of you are, imagine spending money to watch that game... and then imagine sitting in 99 degree heat in the opposing park while you watched. Jordany gave my son and I another Omir moment, and then high-fiving and going crazy with some of the people around me, that was great. And then the bullpen screwed it up again... and again. I was at the Tuesday game here a month ago so I've seen the Mets blow FIVE leads in the 8th inning or later. Sandy hired the incompetent manager and put together this team. If he's such a genius, then he should be able to find better players, budget or not. Even a bad GM like Minaya took RA Dickey off the scrapheap. Where is Sandy's contribution? Shorty has no in-game managerial skills. Bringing in Beato with the bases loaded was idiotic and we said so at the time (not after). Beato is a kid and just back from the minor. Shorty should have left Byrdak in with the bases loaded. At least I got to meet seawolf17. That was fun. I wish the Mets gave him a win.

Frayed Knot Jul 18 2012 06:42 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

I'm not buying this Terry blew the game stuff. The alternative to bringing in Beato there was to let Byrdak [who started his outing going Single - Bunt - Triple] stay in against the RH hitting Moore who had already taken one LHP deep -- OR bring in one of Bautista or Rauch which I'm sure would have been met by lots of approval and not at all subject to a second guess -- OR bring in one from Beato/Rauch/Bautista even earlier to face their two best RH hitters (ZImmerman & Desmond) and not do the double IW thing. Or is there some trustworthy guy in the pen I'm missing here who was left out there just waiting to help? Does Terry get any credit for PH-ing Murph for his catcher when he did which forced a double-switch of Thole each of whom would up getting two hits? Does he get any for PH-ing Valdespin for Bay even as many here pre-decided that was something he'd never have the guts to do? Does the manager share in any of the reflected glory when the team comes back twice in the late innings or only the blame when the remaining players available give it back?

Ceetar Jul 18 2012 07:15 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

I don't blame Terry for this one. I would've kept with Ramirez (who hasn't allowed an earned run since returning from the DL) instead of going to Edgin in the 8th. Edgin issuing the first walk though, was inexcusable. But that's why I hate switching relievers particularly with nobody on, you tend to find the ones that aren't doing good. We've been mentioning pitch selection lately, Edgin should've been firing strikes there right? He threw all fastballs, which is I guess what he has.. actually, why was Edgin brought in for the Righty and the Switch hitter? He got the lefty Harper out..maybe that is a spot you can question Terry at.. Parnell threw almost entirely curveballs near the end. He would've gotten the save if the Nats hadn't hit and run. The aggressiveness by the Nats ended up being the difference (SB by DeRosa is what scored in Edgin's inning too). Did Parnell not trust his fastball last night? He got Zimmerman out on three fastballs. He started off Morse out with curves to 1-2, then a fastball for a ball and then a hit off the fastball. Two fastballs to LaRoche and the soft grounder that ended up a hit. From there it seems like he lost confidence in the fastball. Does this lead back to pitch selection? Gets Moore on three curveballs, fail to tie the game with runner on third with less than two outs. Gets Espinosa to 2-2 on curveballs, throws one fastball and it's smacked. bad location? gets Flores on three curves.

Edgy MD Jul 18 2012 07:30 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Ceetar wrote: actually, why was Edgin brought in for the Righty and the Switch hitter? He got the lefty Harper out..maybe that is a spot you can question Terry at.. Yeah, that's really my main question with Terry. I questioned him pinch-hitting Murphy instead of Turner, and I may have some ammo if Murphy didn't smack a hit, but he did and I don't. Beato was probably as good as any other choice. His control is probably as good as or better than the other righthanders available. I might have gone to Rauch just because Moore has likely never seen anybody that big, but he might've thrown one against the backstop too. The grounder before that... did we have a chance at a double play? OE: Oh, and Angel Hernandez.

Ceetar Jul 18 2012 07:35 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Edgy DC wrote: The grounder before that... did we have a chance at a double play? OE: Oh, and Angel Hernandez. The Nats were aggressive, the Mets were not. We discussed last night about Murphy not tagging at second on the deep fly. That not turned DP was another one. To me it seemed like Ike saw that Beato was not necessarily in a position to get to first, that he was probably too far off the bag, and he had no idea where Murphy was. I think if he throws to second Murphy's there to retrieve the throw. I didn't see a good replay to see if Thole could've throw to first for the 3-2-4 DP.

Lefty Specialist Jul 18 2012 07:45 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

I hate how they do this to me every year, and how every spring I come back for more. End game managing there is almost irrelevant if none of your relievers can get anyone out. It's like asking if you want napalm or a lit Molotov Cocktail. Both are going to burn you. Terry should have gone out himself and pitched an inning for all the good it would do. It's trite, but Jesus H. Christmas, they need to find a reliable pen next year. And nobody currently wearing a Met uniform better be in it.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 18 2012 07:48 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

I don't have any big problems with the game managing either, the typical stuff that hurts the Mets hurt them again. Parnell and Byrdak, respectively, were the guys you wanted on the mound when they were there, and they're the guys who screwed up. Going 3-6-3 would have been real risky, seeing as we lose if we don;t turn it perfectly, I don't have a big problem getting the out at home. Tracky reports that Byrdak's final pitch last night was flinging his iPhone into his locker in a fit of shame and disgust, so there's that.

Edgy MD Jul 18 2012 07:57 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

It doesn't work like that with relievers, though. It would be easier if it did, but it doesn't. An guy who is impregnable one year is highly permeable the next. One year Doug Sisk is the Man Without an ERA, the next year he can't keep his slider down. One year Randy Myers is throwing batting practice, the next he's got the batters in tears. Messy Fiasco to Jesse Orosco. Tug McGraw spent most of his "Ya Gotta Believe" year as the worst pitcher on the team. Couldn't be touched down the stretch, though. So you can't just say, "You failed, you're gone; you guys haven't failed yet, welcome aboard." You've got use judgment and shit, painful as it is to have to reinforce some of that judgment through bad results. But we've had mostly bad results through a bullpen merry-go-round for six years now. I don't know what to say, but I don't think cleaning house gets us forward. Part of Casey's gospel was that if you've got two good relievers, one of them will go bad on you the next year, so you'd better get a third. That's smart, but it's hard to apply in an era where teams put themselves in a position to need five-seven good relievers.

Ceetar Jul 18 2012 08:17 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Edgy DC wrote: So you can't just say, "You failed, you're gone; you guys haven't failed yet, welcome aboard." You've got use judgment and shit, painful as it is to have to reinforce some of that judgment through bad results. But we've had mostly bad results through a bullpen merry-go-round for six years now. I don't know what to say, but I don't think cleaning house gets us forward. Part of Casey's gospel was that if you've got two good relievers, one of them will go bad on you the next year, so you'd better get a third. That's smart, but it's hard to apply in an era where teams put themselves in a position to need five-seven good relievers. That first part is common knee-jerk reaction to everything though. It's why people want Valdespin right now, because he's had some big hits and that's what's in front of us. Warthen?

Edgy MD Jul 18 2012 08:19 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Well, I don't want knee-jerk management of the organization, certainly. And if that makes Alderson seem aloof, well, long live aloof.

Ceetar Jul 18 2012 08:25 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Edgy DC wrote: Well, I don't want knee-jerk management of the organization, certainly. And if that makes Alderson seem aloof, well, long live aloof. well clearly. I was just describing general fan reaction/expectation, not management. He does also have to address the bullpen in some way though too. It's probably the hardest thing for a GM to do. Is it another pitcher? a lefty? a fireballer? a 'closer'? a new catcher to call games? a new pitching coach with a new approach? Any of them could work, or not work, or simply appear to work or not work.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 18 2012 08:39 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

There's obviously a disease of CAHfidence going around, I think Rauch and FrankFrank caught it first and just passed it onto the others. Or maybe it was Acosta, whose case was fatal. There is no cure but to will it back, one guy at a time, as a unit, and accept that relief pitching is unpredictable. Meantime, scoring more runs and making fewer errors would build some room for error.

Ceetar Jul 18 2012 08:42 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: There is no cure but to will it back, one guy at a time, as a unit, and accept that relief pitching is unpredictable. Meantime, scoring more runs and making fewer errors would build some room for error. 10 games without an error now, they're 3-7. but yeah, going 25 outs without a run last night wasn't good.

bmfc1 Jul 18 2012 08:49 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Edgy DC wrote: Well, I don't want knee-jerk management of the organization, certainly. And if that makes Alderson seem aloof, well, long live aloof. It's not "knee-jerk" management to wonder why Justin "Pie In Your Face" Turner" is the only right-handed bat off the bench. Alderson is not GM'ing for 2012 but there has to be someone else out there. If he and his group are so smart, then find players better than Turner, Nickeas and Batista. The bar isn't that high on those three and yet we see them day after day. And the bullpen was the only area of the team that Sandy and Company focused on (Rauch and FF were FA's and he traded for Ramirez). Well done! I better get used to Shorty's in-game machinations because he's not going anywhere. That means more "by the book" moves like Beato last night. As for Murphy's base-running, we were in short left so we had a perfect line from him to the ball. He didn't go half-way so he could easily score, and we know he didn't stay on the bag to tag up. He was 1/4 way, as if he was unsure what to do because he didn't know if the ball would be caught. He should have tagged up but being unsure shows a lack of baseball smarts. To the contrary, Wright had a great read on a pop-up earlier in the game and would have scored if the ball stayed fair.

Edgy MD Jul 18 2012 08:59 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Well, I'm specifically responding to the notion that the bullpen definitively must be turned over 100%. That's more vindictive than thoughtful. The main reason the team had only one righty on the bench is that the team was so stacked with righthanders in the lineup. Part of platooning liberally is having the opposite hitting platoon group as your bench for the day. Was a short right-handed bench a factor last night?

batmagadanleadoff Jul 18 2012 09:04 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Edgy DC wrote: ... That's smart, but it's hard to apply in an era where teams put themselves in a position to need five-seven good relievers. This is a large part of the problem. Even back in the day when teams aspired to assemble a bullpen comprised of just two solid relievers and a supporting cast of mop-up men, half the teams had crappy bullpens. There just ain't enough relievers out there to supply 30 teams with five or six dependable relievers. Not even close. Of course, this doesn't account fully for the Mets bullpen woes, because the Mets might arguably have the worst bullpen in all of baseball right now.

Edgy MD Jul 18 2012 09:11 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: There's obviously a disease of CAHfidence going around, I think Rauch and FrankFrank caught it first and just passed it onto the others. Or maybe it was Acosta, whose case was fatal. There is no cure but to will it back, one guy at a time, as a unit, and accept that relief pitching is unpredictable. Meantime, scoring more runs and making fewer errors would build some room for error. That's the stuff. It's tough medicine to swallow, but it's true. How about upgrading Ramirez? He still seems to have some swagger.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 18 2012 09:12 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Edgy DC wrote: ... That's smart, but it's hard to apply in an era where teams put themselves in a position to need five-seven good relievers. This is a large part of the problem. Even back in the day when teams aspired to assemble a bullpen comprised of just two solid relievers and a supporting cast of mop-up men, half the teams had crappy bullpens. There just ain't enough relievers out there to supply 30 teams with five or six dependable relievers. Not even close. Of course, this doesn't account fully for the Mets bullpen woes, because the Mets might arguably have the worst bullpen in all of baseball right now. Do the Mets have even one dependable reliever? Is there any Mets reliever that, right now, wouldn't give you the willies in the last innings of a tight game?

Ceetar Jul 18 2012 09:16 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Do the Mets have even one dependable reliever? Is there any Mets reliever that, right now, wouldn't give you the willies in the last innings of a tight game? Parnell's close for me, recent struggles aside. Few teams have that guy though.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 18 2012 09:26 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

I'd personally recall Elvin Ramirez, and make him the "closer." Why not? He has a good arm and some cojones. That might insult all the others and make them work harder. I'd make room for him by trading Rauch to an AL contender for some future bullpen fodder.

bmfc1 Jul 18 2012 10:18 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

When Desmond came up, the Nationals fan to my right said to watch for the squeeze since Desmond can't swing. Shorty walked Desmond intentionally. Was there any discussion on TV or radio about Desmond's injury? http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/nat ... _blog.html

Edgy MD Jul 18 2012 10:37 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

There was on the radio. They were suggesting Wright watch for the squeeze also.

Ashie62 Jul 18 2012 10:54 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Elvin Ramirez has a very live arm.

Frayed Knot Jul 18 2012 10:59 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

The next person in this thread bitching about using Beato last night who actually suggests an alternative will be the first. And I mean someone who was usable in last night's game, not just a non-specific cry of "somebody out there" or Ashie screaming "Street" at random intervals.

Edgy MD Jul 18 2012 11:26 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Well, somebody suggested Rauch and Batista were possibilities. Let me read back... ... oh, scratch that. It was you. I'm not sure who the right person is to bring in with the bases loaded and the game tied in extra innings on the road. Walter Johnson, I guess, but he's dead. The only answer is: the best available dude at getting people out. Maybe that wasn't Beato, but I hardly see strong evidence that it wasn't Beato.

Ceetar Jul 18 2012 11:28 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Edgy DC wrote: Well, somebody suggested Rauch and Batista were possibilities. Let me read back... ... oh, scratch that. It was you. I'm not sure who the right person is to bring in with the bases loaded and the game tied in extra innings on the road. Walter Johnson, I guess, but he's dead. The only answer is: the best available dude at getting people out. Maybe that wasn't Beato, but I hardly see strong evidence that it wasn't Beato. Between Batista, Rauch and Beato which was all that left, I think you can make a strong case for Nieuwenhuis.

bmfc1 Jul 18 2012 11:37 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

The next person in this thread bitching about using Beato last night who actually suggests an alternative will be the first They'd be the second because LAST NIGHT I said: "Shorty should have left Byrdak in with the bases loaded." Byrdak sucked but I'd rather have the veteran, who was already in the game, pitching with the bases loaded, than the rookie who was just called up and was not already in the game, even if meant an opposite matchup. And again, I said that to my son as Shorty went to the mound.

Edgy MD Jul 18 2012 11:53 AM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Beato isn't a rookie, and he wasn't so much just called up as he's just returning. Byrdak's OBP given up to righties is .407 for his career and .457 this season. Beato's was .276 on his career and .250 for his few appearances this season. Regarding "Shorty,": Yup, he's short. Manuel's black. Howe's bald. Let's lay off, for the love of the rest of us pocket people.

bmfc1 Jul 18 2012 12:09 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

Edgy DC wrote: Beato isn't a rookie, and he wasn't so much just called up as he's just returning. Byrdak's OBP given up to righties is .407 for his career and .457 this season. Beato's was .276 on his career and .250 for his few appearances this season. Regarding "Shorty,": Yup, he's short. Manuel's black. Howe's bald. Let's lay off, for the love of the rest of us pocket people. "Rookie"--no, you're right, but far more inexperienced than Byrdak. I'm surprised at your use of stats to justify removing Byrdak when you eloquently decry bringing in "cold" relievers at the expense. You've made a strong case on that point. And "Shorty" he is, to me. I'm no Randy Newman but it's what I will call him. And I would never use a phrase like "pocket people"--that's just mean.

Edgy MD Jul 18 2012 12:28 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

I don't find fault with bringing in cold relievers (I would understand that they are all cold). I criticize bringing in anybody in place of pitchers who are succeeding and unfatigued, and in most cases pulling pitchers who are not meaningfully mismatched. Byrdak was certainly not succeeding, and he certainly was mismatched. The Mets had no good options. Byrdak's performance saw to that.

bmfc1 Jul 18 2012 12:43 PM Re: IGT Tues Jul 17 Mets at Nats

I disagreed about last night's final AB and continue to do so but I appreciate your points.