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Better Know a Nat: 7/16-19/2012
Edgy MD Jul 16 2012 10:20 PM |
Listen, the Nats have people going a little nuts. (A) The Washington Post is putting the “controversy” over Steven Strasburg’s innings limit on page fucking one. Too esteemed a publication to engage in such nonsense? Well, (B) no less than The Atlantic is wondering out lout if they have the most obnoxious fans in baseball. (C) Shortstop Ian Desmond really thought he was in the right sitting out the Major League Baseball All Star Game.
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Edgy MD Jul 16 2012 11:24 PM Re: Better Know a Nat: 7/16-19/2012 |
Feel free to add any Nats Notes of your own.
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bmfc1 Jul 17 2012 05:06 AM Re: Better Know a Nat: 7/16-19/2012 |
Nicely done Edgy. Storen might be back tonight. He and Clippard are buddies. I think they share an apartment in the Mount Vernon Triangle area of DC... not that there's anything wrong with that.
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Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 06:44 AM Re: Better Know a Nat: 7/16-19/2012 |
Nats rookie Tyler Moore. He has two skills: punishing LOOGys and taking a nothing day and suddenly making it all seem worth while.
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Frayed Knot Jul 17 2012 07:08 AM Re: Better Know a Nat: 7/16-19/2012 |
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Hey, at least the Wash Post (Tom Boswell aside) is actually covering the Nats. That's better than the usual definition of summer in Washington being defined as when the sports section cuts back to only 80% Redskins news. Of course training camp starts in the next week or two so all bets are off at that point as what 'RGIII' eats for lunch with probably be written up on 'A1-above the fold' as newspaper people say. I wonder if the author of that Atlantic piece is doing a comparison of Nats fans to other fans or if he's just a Washintonian doing a typical Washington-centric piece on the occasion of just attending (via gift tickets of course) his first baseball game and has no real basis for comparison. - Over the past few years I've been betting on Danny Espinosa as the better up-and-coming infielder despite Desmond being the more hyped ... and I'm currently being proven wrong. Desmond, despite his free-swinging ways (or partially because of them), has really been their offensive MVP this year. On defense he has great range and will make the spectacular play but is equally capable of botching easy ones; he's kind of like the anti-Jeter in that respect. Desmond has actually sat out the past few games after playing every one prior to his ASG no-show. Could be back tonight or tomorrow though. - Zimmerman's spent most of the year hurt and/or sucking ... until about two weeks ago when he got a "cortisone" shot and has hit about .900 with 45 HRs since. His defense is good but not as good as its reputation. - The biggest thing about this team is obviously their pitching. 'Quality Starts' is a much abused stat because, for some reason, folks tend to analyze it only in single-game terms as if any stat is meaningful that way. But barely half (52% currently in 2012) of all starts qualify as a QS and when a team gets a QS they usually win. The Nats staff is sitting at an MLB-best* 66% (including 16-of-18 for Zimmermannnnn and 13/18 for Gonzalez; Detwiler brings down the avg at 4/12) and I'd be willing to bet if there were some 'sort of 'Super-Quality Start' stat (like 2 runs or fewer over X innings) that the gap between the Nats and the mean would be higher still. * Miami, Dodgers and Mets follow - in fact the top 8 QS teams are NL - Who's happier that we're missing Strasburg, our hitters or our pitchers? He's 10-for-26 this season with 4 doubles and 1 HR [.385/.448/.654] I dream of stats like that for Nieuwenhuis some day.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 17 2012 07:31 AM Re: Better Know a Nat: 7/16-19/2012 |
I feel like this series is one of those where it doesn't really matter who or how good the opponent is. The Mets absolutely have to play better in every aspect of their game or their season's going to be badly wounded.
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Ceetar Jul 17 2012 07:33 AM Re: Better Know a Nat: 7/16-19/2012 |
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Yup, bonus points being that playing better damages the Nats directly. And hopefully they can do a reversal of fortune somewhat that they're still playing well next week when they play the Nats again.
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Benjamin Grimm Jul 17 2012 07:37 AM Re: Better Know a Nat: 7/16-19/2012 |
Yeah, this is as do-or-die as it gets in July. The Mets need to reverse their losing trend NOW or things will start to look really grim.
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Frayed Knot Jul 17 2012 07:42 AM Re: Better Know a Nat: 7/16-19/2012 |
After being offensively challenged most of the first half of 2012, I recently saw a stat showing the Nats as the [u:1bhzcww7]2nd highest scoring team[/u:1bhzcww7] since some date in late June (behind only the Pirates of all teams). Part of that was the result of the always stat-inflating trip to Colorado but they also thumped SF pitching to the tune of 24 runs over 3 games during that stretch and they certainly hit the Braves a whole lot better than we just did (or didn't).
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TransMonk Jul 17 2012 07:44 AM Re: Better Know a Nat: 7/16-19/2012 |
I agree with JCL. It will be sink or swim for the next 9 days.
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Mets – Willets Point Jul 17 2012 07:49 AM Re: Better Know a Nat: 7/16-19/2012 |
I remember the Nats fans being unexpectedly obnoxious when we went to the CPF picnic back on ought-five. I also thought the Baltimore Orioles fans were the most obnoxious I'd ever encountered. Washington Redskin fans also have a bad rep, although I have no personal experience with them. So maybe there is something going on with that region and their sports fans. The Washington metro area certainly has the worst drivers in the US so that obnoxiousness can spread to other areas of life.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 17 2012 09:35 AM Re: Better Know a Nat: 7/16-19/2012 |
Now THAT's a KTE what sticks to your ribs. Nice work, sir.
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Ceetar Jul 17 2012 09:39 AM Re: Better Know a Nat: 7/16-19/2012 |
clearly Nats fans have taken their cue on how to act from all the Phillies fans that used to invade the place for Nats-Phillies games.
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Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 09:40 AM Re: Better Know a Nat: 7/16-19/2012 |
That's definitely my read.
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Benjamin Grimm Jul 17 2012 09:45 AM Re: Better Know a Nat: 7/16-19/2012 |
It probably doesn't help that their PA announcer makes everyone think they're at a wrestling match.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 17 2012 09:52 AM Re: Better Know a Nat: 7/16-19/2012 |
Ryan Zimmerman kinda has that Old Man Head on a Young Man Body thing going on, doesn't he? (Compare/contrast to the older SugarPants.)
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Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 10:08 AM Re: Better Know a Nat: 7/16-19/2012 |
Yeah, he always looked to me kinda like a veteran groundskeeper with a million stories to tell. Cute daughter, though.
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themetfairy Jul 17 2012 10:25 AM Re: Better Know a Nat: 7/16-19/2012 |
Even in 2005 - when they first got a team and were playing at RFK - the "fans" down there were way into trash talking.
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Frayed Knot Jul 17 2012 10:58 AM Re: Better Know a Nat: 7/16-19/2012 |
My guess on the combative attitude from Nats fans is that it stems from their distaste for being overwhelmed by all things (not just sports) from NYC and Philly. DC, once you got past that whole seat of government thing (and even that makes it as much the butt of jokes as a bragging point), has really been a sleepy southern-(ish) kind of town for much of its history. The city as a whole seems to be building out of that recently but I think there remains a sense of little brotherism when compared to those two relative monster cities up north.
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Vic Sage Jul 17 2012 12:19 PM Re: Better Know a Nat: 7/16-19/2012 |
A great KTE, with one reservation. You refer to Danny Espinosa as a "punch and judy" hitter, but he hit 20 HRs and 30 2Bs last season. And he averaged around that in the minors too. So that suggests alot more Punch and alot less Judy.
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Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 12:23 PM Re: Better Know a Nat: 7/16-19/2012 |
Yeah, that's selling him short. I was referring to him by his current 2012 production, but even hitting .230, he still has seven homers. All of our secondbasemen put together have four.
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Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 12:34 PM Re: Better Know a Nat: 7/16-19/2012 |
Nats rumours have them pursuing Ryan Dempster for support for when they shut down Strasburg. Also looking at Ramon Hernandez to augment the catching corps.
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Zvon Jul 17 2012 05:55 PM Re: Better Know a Nat: 7/16-19/2012 |
Awsome KTE Edge. Great read.
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Frayed Knot Jul 17 2012 08:47 PM Re: Better Know a Nat: 7/16-19/2012 |
Y'know one thing I noticed while looking at the pitching comparisons between the two teams:
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