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Better Know a Nat: 7/16-19/2012

Edgy MD
Jul 16 2012 10:20 PM

Listen, the Nats have people going a little nuts. (A) The Washington Post is putting the “controversy” over Steven Strasburg’s innings limit on page fucking one. Too esteemed a publication to engage in such nonsense? Well, (B) no less than The Atlantic is wondering out lout if they have the most obnoxious fans in baseball. (C) Shortstop Ian Desmond really thought he was in the right sitting out the Major League Baseball All Star Game.

The answers are:
[list=A][*]get some perspective and self-respect, Washington Post;[/*:m]
[*]no, they’re not the most obnoxious, but there’s something grossly pathetic about it all, to see suburban Virginians trying to act out the way they’ve seen hardcore Phillies Phreaks behaving, as if they feel being assholes makes them somehow truly big league — daytripper douchebags;[/*:m]
[*]my God, Desmond, somewhere, some kid adores you and wanted to see you outclass the best of the best — act like you care just a little.[/*:m][/list:o]

But hey, we’ve been here before. In 2005 — their first year as the Nats — Washington was also 4.5 games in first place on July 4, and the newbred fans were acting up then, talking shit to out-of-towners, and mercilessly beating up on slumping shortstop Christian Guzman. That actually was the date of a CPF meetup, and the Mets pulled out a 5-2 victory before a glorious night of fireworks. The Nats would finish 81-81.

It’d be lovely to see that script repeat. But this year’s Nats have two of the best young players in baseball, a deep pitching staff, and wily manager we know and love so well.

The Mets have had a maddening year, in that every time they play themselves into a hole, they do something remarkable. Well they’ve got the first part of that licked with their last week’s worth of active games. Let’s hope the latter is within reach, and they [Sylvester]pound these pretenders into pulverized pancake pieces[/Sylvester}.

Catching: Following a season-ending knee injury for Wilson Ramos, Jesús Flores is providing steady defense and the offense of a righthanded Brian Shneider (.238 / .278 / .354 // .632), so he’s the guy you want to pitch to if you’ve got to pitch to somebody. In the sort of thing that’s got to send chills down you spine, he shares his name with that guy in Texas that was killed in the midst of a pedophiliac act by the victim’s father. One more reason to pause before naming your kid Jesús. But the one on the Nats has brought no shame to the name.

Two backups are available to catch Thursday’s day game — Carlos Maldonado and 26-year-old rookie Jhonatan Solano. Neither one has seen much action, but Solano has shown some pop.

Jesús Flores is a former St. Lucie Met.

First Base: I’ve never thought much or Adam LaRoche, but he’s giving you all you can hope for this year with his poor-man’s-Olerud act (.262 / .342 / .497 // .839). Loopy swing and steady glove and they old veteran presence thing, with a thin prominent nose from a baseballing clan. Eh. His season ended with injury last year after 43 games with a .172 / .288 / .258 // .546 line, so you couldn’t be blamed for thinking he’d never be effective again. At least, you wouldn’t be blamed by me, as that’s what I thought. But here he is, hitting as well as he ever has, and I’m like… eh. You want to know how eh he is? His profile actually lists his hobbies as fishing, hunting, and golf. He’s could win a triple crown, and I’d be all… eh.

But I really don’t see him ever winning a triple crown. (Watch him win a triple crown.)

Backing him up and pinch-hitting is a rookie named Tyler Moore – the type of clubber that Davey Johnson first began rescuing from the minors back when his name was Kevin Mitchell. In 32 games and 73 at bats, Moore is hitting .315 / .390 / .534 // .924, which, I don’t need to tell you, ain’t bad for a guy who swings with his eyes closed.



Moore may get a start against Niese, but definitely look for Johnson to counter with him as a switch hitter when Terry brings Byrdak or Edgin in.

Second Base: This position was always fun to write about back in the Ronnie Belly-ard days. Those days are gone forever. I should just let ‘em go. But I CAN SEE HIM! HIS BROWN SKIN SHINING IN THE SUN! He’s got his cornrows in…

Excuse me. Sorry about that. Switch-hitter Danny Espinosa is starting to dip below the mediocre numbers his previous years gave given (.230 / .304 / .371 // .674), but he’s a pro and he still knows how to get a walk when needed. Strikes out way too much for a punch-and-judy guy, but is a reliable doubleplay partner with Ian Desmond.

Backing up there and all over the place is Steve Lombardozzi (who harkens to the Belliard era in baseball history). He’s done alright, in a gritty-vet-who-plays-wherever-you-ask-him sense, but he’s got no power and I hope we see him a lot.

Shortstop: Ian Desmond, he of the All-Star-no-thank-you, is really all about the powa. His 17 homers lead the team, but he don’t walk, and his strikeout numbers would be conspicuous if he wasn’t playing next to Espinosa. He’s the tall and wiry breed of shortstop like Reyes and Kevin Elster and therefore can turn a ball if he gets extended. So try not to let him do that shit, OK? Put the slider in on his hands. He’ll hit into double plays all week.

Mark DeRosa backs him up. Long career as a backup/part-timer with the Braves, before starting a few years in his early thirties with the Rangers and Cubs, before starting a long downhill slide after that. He’s 37 and has played long enough to make the Hall of Fame ballot, but he’s just about the worst hitter in the league right now.

Third Base: What I hate about Nats games most of all is the hot-and-horny way the announcer introduces them. And nobody gets a grosser treatment than RRRRRRRyan ZZZZIMMmermannnnnn!!! Ugh, I want to shower now just thinking about it. Zim has the contract that David Wright came into 2012 trying to earn (eight years, $114 million), and has likely exceeded, but is unfortunately (except for the Mets) playing like Wright of 2011 ( even worse, actually, at .250 / .313 / .401 // .713). He’s recently rich and recently engaged to the future former Heather Doewen, so maybe he’s pressing.



Left Field: A buncha guys. Due to injuries, they’ve been faking it in left all year, and Steve Lombardozzi (seriously) is leading them in appearances out there. That’s not how you lay it out in March. Bryce Harper and Mike Morse — regular starters from center and right respectively – will move over to left if their backups start or come in for defense.

Center Field: This, as they say, is where it gets interesting. Teenage rookie sensation Bryce Harper had a bratty rep in high school, juco, and minor league ball, but has mostly handled himself with aplomb as a major leaguer. This weekend, he gets baited into a pointless dispute by combinative shit Ozzie Guillen, who doesn’t want to let go of the dream of the kid undoing himself with hotheadedness, and Ozzie ends up looking like a tool. Again. So yeah, add unflappability to Harper’s tool kit. Harper bats lefty, throws righty, throws well, and is hitting .273 / .345 / .454 // .799. Thems the sorts of numbers I was seeing next to Niewenhuis’ name a few weeks ago. Hopefully, the two reverse course this week, but Harper, again, is doing this as a mere teenager. He’s the goods.

Rick Ankiel will occasionally come in for defense or pinch hit or double switch or even start. At those junctures, Harperion will end up in left. Ankiel isn’t offering much but he can still end a game with a throw or a big fly.

Right Field: Mike Morse (The Beast) was excellent in 2010 and even better in 2011, but started this season on the DL and the hoped-for boost that his return would bring in the absence of Jayson Werth hasn’t come. He’s started slow and even as he’s looked like he’s ready to bust out, he’s battled hammy problems.

Roger Bernadina helps him out in right, is really strong, bats lefty and has had some big moments (but just so-so overall numbers) against the Mets.

So, you know, just enough holes in the lineup to be able to shut them down if you’re smart and pitching well, and just enough bats to take you down if you don’t. I seem to remember Chris Young dominating these guys before he went down early last year and I’m hopeful that he’ll find himself against them this go-around.

Starting Pitchers: Tuesday night, Jon Niese takes on Ross Detwiler. Ross has been a surprisingly effective rotation backender this year, managing a 3.43 ERA in 18 games (12 starts). He’s just reentered the rotation after pitching in relief in June. He’s a former first rounder (sixth overall). He’s a tall thin lefty who throws in the mid-90s and comes across his body and makes lefties uncomfortable, so it’s a really good test for the Jason Bay in his expected return, and we’ll almost certainly see Hairston as well, with two of Davis, Duda, and Nieuwy sitting. Possibly we’ll see the ol’ Turner-at-first plan also, but I’d prefer to see him at second and Cedeño in reserve. Maybe this will be a Nickeas assignment as well.

Wednesday eve, Chris Young catches Jordan Zimmermann (two N’s, and also sounding really dirty when the Nats’ PA guy says it). You’ve seen a lot of him. His fastball is mid-nineties, but we can hit that, but when he has his hard slider working, he’s frustrating as hell, particularly on Wright, who chases it away. All those lefties who sat out on Tuesday? This is a good night for them to flex their muscles, and hopefully turn on that slider, but it ain’t easy. Despite the higher profile guys, it’s JZ who leads the team in innings.

Thursday afternoon, your humble reporter will be in attendance for a matchup of 12-win pitchers: R.A. Dickey vs. Gio Gonzalez. Gonzo, the second lefty the Mets face in this series is maybe like our beloved Ollie on his best days — lots of walks but unhittable; fastball that’s sneaky fast, but sometimes it just doesn’t show up. But people chase his off-speed stuff out of the strikezone all the fucking time. It may be more generous to call him a lefthanded Pedro, but it’s not like his change is that magical. He gets it done and you can’t argue with the results and shit.

So yeah, key to beating these guys are our righthanded batters: Wright and Hairston and this new kid, Bay. Let’s get those bats out. Let’s treat missing Strasburg and Jackson like the treat it is, because we’ve got to get to them early, because their bullpen is …. better than ours. So far, at least.

Bullpen: Once this game gets over the hump, Davey Johnson has four sub-2 ERAs to throw at you. Fuck, that’ sounds nice, don’t it? Tyler Clippard comes from 12 o’clock, sets you up with the fastball, and finishes you with the hammer. He closes. His setup man is Craig Stammen. Good control and throws a lot of grounders. Sean Burnett is the junk-throwing lefty killer. Ryan Matthius is a youngster who’s sort of a relief version of Zmmermann. Fastball in, slider away, tough on righties.

Anybody but those four gets introduced, something has gone horribly wrong, either for the Nats or for the Mets.

Disabled: Here’s hope. A lot of Nats are being paid to watch TV, including…

[list][*]Catcher Sandy Leon: 15-day DL[/*:m]
[*]Outfieldmonger Xavier Nady: 15-day DL[/*:m]
[*]Catcher Wilson Ramos: 60-day DL[/*:m]
[*]Relief pitcher Drew Storen: 60-day DL[/*:m]
[*]Former Yankee Chien-Ming Wang: 15-day DL[/*:m]
[*]Hairy dude Jayson Werth: 60-day DL (actually, I bet he's following Third-Eye Blind on tour)[/*:m][/list:u]

Guys I used to like include Davey Johnson, Xavier Nady, and that’s it. Former racist Mets superscout Bill Singer is director of pro scouting. Hopefully he rooms on the road with Wang. Your pre-and post-game shows are hosted by Ray Knight, who Ashie wants to punch somebody out. He looks about 78 years old these days.

Mets who once called the Nationalist cause their own include Miguel Batista (2010) and Jon Rauch (2005–2007). I’ve spoken to them both and they’re each real sorry.

Listen, this team is beatable, but the Mets better get their rocks off and come ready for battle. This team just finished up a bitter series with the Fish that pissed them off, and Johnson’s got them playing hard. The Mets will have to earn every out off of this team.

So let’s do it.

Edgy MD
Jul 16 2012 11:24 PM
Re: Better Know a Nat: 7/16-19/2012

Feel free to add any Nats Notes of your own.

bmfc1
Jul 17 2012 05:06 AM
Re: Better Know a Nat: 7/16-19/2012

Nicely done Edgy. Storen might be back tonight. He and Clippard are buddies. I think they share an apartment in the Mount Vernon Triangle area of DC... not that there's anything wrong with that.

Edgy is right about the lame PA guy. He's more concerned with his cute pronunciations than in telling us about the lineups. Every game, my son or I will say "I didn't know that they double switched." (Also listen for his Barry White voice when he says "David Wright.")

Great link to [u:2tucabk3]The Atlantic[/u:2tucabk3]. Those going this week will observe groups of summer interns who have been given tickets to the game. They arrive after the game has started, take too long to sit down while they organize their devices, after 5 minutes 2 or 3 of them will get up again to get another beer but won't wait until the inning has ended and then return while the game is ongoing.

Let's hope that the Nationals are tired after playing in Florida last night while the Mets had the day off in DC.

Tonight and tomorrow, I will be shvitzing in section 113, row S.

Edgy MD
Jul 17 2012 06:44 AM
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Nats rookie Tyler Moore. He has two skills: punishing LOOGys and taking a nothing day and suddenly making it all seem worth while.

Frayed Knot
Jul 17 2012 07:08 AM
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Edgy DC wrote:
Listen, the Nats have people going a little nuts. (A) The Washington Post is putting the “controversy” over Steven Strasburg’s innings limit on page fucking one. Too esteemed a publication to engage in such nonsense? Well, (B) no less than The Atlantic is wondering out lout if they have the most obnoxious fans in baseball. (C) Shortstop Ian Desmond really thought he was in the right sitting out the Major League Baseball All Star Game.


Hey, at least the Wash Post (Tom Boswell aside) is actually covering the Nats. That's better than the usual definition of summer in Washington being defined as when the sports section cuts back to only 80% Redskins news. Of course training camp starts in the next week or two so all bets are off at that point as what 'RGIII' eats for lunch with probably be written up on 'A1-above the fold' as newspaper people say.

I wonder if the author of that Atlantic piece is doing a comparison of Nats fans to other fans or if he's just a Washintonian doing a typical Washington-centric piece on the occasion of just attending (via gift tickets of course) his first baseball game and has no real basis for comparison.




- Over the past few years I've been betting on Danny Espinosa as the better up-and-coming infielder despite Desmond being the more hyped ... and I'm currently being proven wrong. Desmond, despite his free-swinging ways (or partially because of them), has really been their offensive MVP this year. On defense he has great range and will make the spectacular play but is equally capable of botching easy ones; he's kind of like the anti-Jeter in that respect.
Desmond has actually sat out the past few games after playing every one prior to his ASG no-show. Could be back tonight or tomorrow though.

- Zimmerman's spent most of the year hurt and/or sucking ... until about two weeks ago when he got a "cortisone" shot and has hit about .900 with 45 HRs since. His defense is good but not as good as its reputation.

- The biggest thing about this team is obviously their pitching. 'Quality Starts' is a much abused stat because, for some reason, folks tend to analyze it only in single-game terms as if any stat is meaningful that way. But barely half (52% currently in 2012) of all starts qualify as a QS and when a team gets a QS they usually win. The Nats staff is sitting at an MLB-best* 66% (including 16-of-18 for Zimmermannnnn and 13/18 for Gonzalez; Detwiler brings down the avg at 4/12) and I'd be willing to bet if there were some 'sort of 'Super-Quality Start' stat (like 2 runs or fewer over X innings) that the gap between the Nats and the mean would be higher still.
* Miami, Dodgers and Mets follow - in fact the top 8 QS teams are NL

- Who's happier that we're missing Strasburg, our hitters or our pitchers? He's 10-for-26 this season with 4 doubles and 1 HR [.385/.448/.654] I dream of stats like that for Nieuwenhuis some day.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 17 2012 07:31 AM
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I feel like this series is one of those where it doesn't really matter who or how good the opponent is. The Mets absolutely have to play better in every aspect of their game or their season's going to be badly wounded.

Ceetar
Jul 17 2012 07:33 AM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
I feel like this series is one of those where it doesn't really matter who or how good the opponent is. The Mets absolutely have to play better in every aspect of their game or their season's going to be badly wounded.


Yup, bonus points being that playing better damages the Nats directly. And hopefully they can do a reversal of fortune somewhat that they're still playing well next week when they play the Nats again.

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 17 2012 07:37 AM
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Yeah, this is as do-or-die as it gets in July. The Mets need to reverse their losing trend NOW or things will start to look really grim.

Frayed Knot
Jul 17 2012 07:42 AM
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After being offensively challenged most of the first half of 2012, I recently saw a stat showing the Nats as the [u:1bhzcww7]2nd highest scoring team[/u:1bhzcww7] since some date in late June (behind only the Pirates of all teams). Part of that was the result of the always stat-inflating trip to Colorado but they also thumped SF pitching to the tune of 24 runs over 3 games during that stretch and they certainly hit the Braves a whole lot better than we just did (or didn't).

But, more recently, they're coming off an unimpressive 2-2 split in their wrap-around series in Miami where they scored a more normal for them 5, 1, 4, & 3 runs (gave up just 8 runs total)

TransMonk
Jul 17 2012 07:44 AM
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I agree with JCL. It will be sink or swim for the next 9 days.

Mets – Willets Point
Jul 17 2012 07:49 AM
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I remember the Nats fans being unexpectedly obnoxious when we went to the CPF picnic back on ought-five. I also thought the Baltimore Orioles fans were the most obnoxious I'd ever encountered. Washington Redskin fans also have a bad rep, although I have no personal experience with them. So maybe there is something going on with that region and their sports fans. The Washington metro area certainly has the worst drivers in the US so that obnoxiousness can spread to other areas of life.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jul 17 2012 09:35 AM
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Now THAT's a KTE what sticks to your ribs. Nice work, sir.

If Nats fans are obnoxious, it's in either that discourteous-dumbfuck-who-isn't-really-into-this-game-but-fuck-it-Jenny-has-tickets-so-let's-make-it-a-night-out way (as delineated in the Atlantic piece), or in a chipper, trash-talk-prone bandwagon-jumper way. They're insidious sorts of bad-fandom, as both stripes tend to bait you into looking like the asshole (either by hectoring the guy who keeps standing up mid-AB, OR by exploding on the guy who doesn't know his place).

Ceetar
Jul 17 2012 09:39 AM
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clearly Nats fans have taken their cue on how to act from all the Phillies fans that used to invade the place for Nats-Phillies games.

Edgy MD
Jul 17 2012 09:40 AM
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That's definitely my read.

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 17 2012 09:45 AM
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It probably doesn't help that their PA announcer makes everyone think they're at a wrestling match.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jul 17 2012 09:52 AM
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Ryan Zimmerman kinda has that Old Man Head on a Young Man Body thing going on, doesn't he? (Compare/contrast to the older SugarPants.)

Edgy MD
Jul 17 2012 10:08 AM
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Yeah, he always looked to me kinda like a veteran groundskeeper with a million stories to tell. Cute daughter, though.

Wait, what?

themetfairy
Jul 17 2012 10:25 AM
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Even in 2005 - when they first got a team and were playing at RFK - the "fans" down there were way into trash talking.

Frayed Knot
Jul 17 2012 10:58 AM
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My guess on the combative attitude from Nats fans is that it stems from their distaste for being overwhelmed by all things (not just sports) from NYC and Philly. DC, once you got past that whole seat of government thing (and even that makes it as much the butt of jokes as a bragging point), has really been a sleepy southern-(ish) kind of town for much of its history. The city as a whole seems to be building out of that recently but I think there remains a sense of little brotherism when compared to those two relative monster cities up north.
Beating teams from one or both of those cities (who are, not coincidentally, rivals in football as well) is a particular point of pride for these new kids on the block.

Vic Sage
Jul 17 2012 12:19 PM
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A great KTE, with one reservation. You refer to Danny Espinosa as a "punch and judy" hitter, but he hit 20 HRs and 30 2Bs last season. And he averaged around that in the minors too. So that suggests alot more Punch and alot less Judy.

Edgy MD
Jul 17 2012 12:23 PM
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Yeah, that's selling him short. I was referring to him by his current 2012 production, but even hitting .230, he still has seven homers. All of our secondbasemen put together have four.

Thanks for the Nats note.

Edgy MD
Jul 17 2012 12:34 PM
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Nats rumours have them pursuing Ryan Dempster for support for when they shut down Strasburg. Also looking at Ramon Hernandez to augment the catching corps.

Zvon
Jul 17 2012 05:55 PM
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Awsome KTE Edge. Great read.

Frayed Knot
Jul 17 2012 08:47 PM
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Y'know one thing I noticed while looking at the pitching comparisons between the two teams:

- the Nats have used just 15 different pitchers this whole season and only 6 starters (5 of which have started 84 of their 88 games)
Only CM Wang (injured and demoted), Brad Lidge (cut) and something named Ryan Perry (8 innings) have pitched this season but are not presently on the club.
Drew Storen when he comes back probably later this week will be another and they'll likely call up John Lannan just to pitch in a DH they've got scheduled for Saturday, but that's still a ridiculously small amount for being past mid-season. Hell, LaRussa could probably be talked into carrying 15 at one time and might use nearly that amount in a single nine inning game (and not even a close one).


- the Mets in those same categories?: 23 & 9 (and all nine have started at least twice). Plus the effects of the Gee injury haven't really been felt yet.


Yeah the results (or lack thereof) obviously determine the number to a large degree, but I think the number helps out the results too.
I mean there's definitely a benefit to having virtually the same cast of characters getting regular work and in somewhat defined roles vs the shuttle in/ shuffle out revolving door.