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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 10 2012 09:09 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 10 2012 09:24 AM

Mets P Dillon Gee hospitalized Updated: July 10, 2012, 11:02 AM ET By Adam Rubin | ESPNNewYork.com New York Mets right-hander Dillon Gee has been hospitalized in New York, multiple members of the organization confirmed. A teammate said the issue was believed to be blood-related in Gee's shoulder. Another member of the organization said Gee was admitted Monday and underwent an MRI, but it was not precisely clear at that point the issue. Attempts to reach GM Sandy Aldersona and team spokesman Jay Horowitz were unsuccessful. A woman who answered the phone at Gee's parents' home in Texas said father, Kevin Gee, was en route to New York. A call to agent Bryan Cahill was not immediately returned. Gee, 26, is scheduled to pitch the Mets' second-half opener in Atlanta on Friday.

metirish Jul 10 2012 09:15 AM Re: uh oh

Christ almighty , sounds serious obviously , hope it is not.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 10 2012 09:23 AM Re: uh oh

Numbness in his fingers, Terry said. Let the Harvey Era begin!

Edgy MD Jul 10 2012 09:27 AM Re: uh oh

With the All Star Break, the Mets can plug in any Buff pitcher that they want. I've already expressed my Harvey feeling, but Batista and Heftista and Schwintista will also be available for your consideration. Get well, Gee.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 10 2012 09:31 AM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

Gee was to have started the second half Friday. I would guess that's not a string possibility now.

Ceetar Jul 10 2012 09:36 AM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

well let's actually get some real info before diagnosing starts or replacements or what not. Dickey should start Friday anyway.

Edgy MD Jul 10 2012 09:37 AM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

I didn't diagnose a start, whatever that means.

Ceetar Jul 10 2012 09:39 AM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

Edgy DC wrote: I didn't diagnose a start, whatever that means. run on half sentence. Just mean let's find out what we're actually dealing with before we decide on the solution.

Edgy MD Jul 10 2012 09:55 AM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

We're just chatting here. I think the first concern for all is Gee's well-being.

Edgy MD Jul 10 2012 10:08 AM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

Rubin reporting that Gee will be placed on the disabled list. Doctors used catheter to break up a blood clot and he will remain in the hospital for a few days for observation.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 10 2012 10:08 AM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

Not on us to decide the solution anyhow, but you have to figure if Gee misses some time they'll look for a replacement in Buffalo. I suppose they could decide on Hef if it's a short-term thing, and maybe Harvey if it's longer. I don't need no more Schwinny. I think Gee's done an okay job holding down the back end for now but I think he's going to have a hard time fighting off Harvey and Wheeler sooner or later.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 10 2012 10:11 AM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I think he's going to have a hard time fighting off Harvey and Wheeler sooner or later. I agree. Assuming they both join the Mets rotation within the next year or two, I think that one of them will probably displace Young, and the other, depending on how things go, would displace Gee or Santana.

Ceetar Jul 10 2012 10:11 AM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Not on us to decide the solution anyhow, but you have to figure if Gee misses some time they'll look for a replacement in Buffalo. I suppose they could decide on Hef if it's a short-term thing, and maybe Harvey if it's longer. I don't need no more Schwinny. I think Gee's done an okay job holding down the back end for now but I think he's going to have a hard time fighting off Harvey and Wheeler sooner or later. Gee's done a very good job for a 5th guy, (4th, whatever you want) imo. 4.1 ERA is pretty good. But yeah, way too much missing info to determine what they do. Even with a minimum DL stint they could get by with only one start from a 6th SP guy. 40 man's full, but Alderson hinted at a bunch of moves coming internally, so some DFA might be in order .

Ceetar Jul 10 2012 10:15 AM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

Edgy DC wrote: Rubin reporting that Gee will be placed on the disabled list. Doctors used catheter to break up a blood clot and he will remain in the hospital for a few days for observation. yeah, seems no timetable, clot in artery of pitching shoulder. I'm not sure they're a large subset of data to draw on, baseball wise, on what that means towards mechanics and pitching and what not. Wonder if they go conservatively here and expect him back. I wonder if Sandy considers bringing in a starter too. Didn't seem like it, but you can never have too many starters.

Frayed Knot Jul 10 2012 10:33 AM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

Mixed in with this is that they've already pushed Santana back to at least Sunday - or maybe to the Nats series next week - due to the ankle that got stepped on in his last start.

Frayed Knot Jul 10 2012 12:15 PM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

Rubin/ESPN now reporting that Gee "has had surgery" to break up a blood clot and will remain in the hospital for the next "day or two".

bmfc1 Jul 10 2012 12:20 PM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

Perhaps this thread should merge with the "Poll: Starter Next" thread as they are each now discussing the rotation.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 10 2012 12:23 PM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

bmfc1 wrote: Perhaps this thread should merge with the "Poll: Starter Next" thread as they are each now discussing the rotation. I'm not mixing my great thread title with that yoda-talk in the other thread. "Starter Next"? What is this, Canada?

Edgy MD Jul 10 2012 12:30 PM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

Mmm... It, you can suck.

Vic Sage Jul 10 2012 01:17 PM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

Gee's done a very good job for a 5th guy, (4th, whatever you want) imo. 4.1 ERA is pretty good. A little context please... a 4.1 ERA isn't what it was in the steroid era. Currently, that's good for a 92 ERA+, which ain't that good. Now as a #5, its certainly adequate, but he's obviously replaceable if necessary.

Ceetar Jul 10 2012 01:32 PM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

Vic Sage wrote: Gee's done a very good job for a 5th guy, (4th, whatever you want) imo. 4.1 ERA is pretty good. A little context please... a 4.1 ERA isn't what it was in the steroid era. Currently, that's good for a 92 ERA+, which ain't that good. Now as a #5, its certainly adequate, but he's obviously replaceable if necessary. sorry, context: 4.1 ((compared to the 3.97 league average) ) is pretty good for a team that scores 4.58 a game. Especially when the immediate replacements are not likely to put up numbers even approaching that.

Edgy MD Jul 10 2012 01:40 PM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

Schwinnie (11.25 ERA in 8 IP), Hef (6.89 in 18), and Batista (4.00 in 15.67) have collectively put up a 6.48 ERA in 41.67 innings.

Ashie62 Jul 10 2012 04:28 PM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

Ceetar wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Rubin reporting that Gee will be placed on the disabled list. Doctors used catheter to break up a blood clot and he will remain in the hospital for a few days for observation. yeah, seems no timetable, clot in artery of pitching shoulder. I'm not sure they're a large subset of data to draw on, baseball wise, on what that means towards mechanics and pitching and what not. Wonder if they go conservatively here and expect him back. I wonder if Sandy considers bringing in a starter too. Didn't seem like it, but you can never have too many starters. Didn't David Cone have something similar?

Frayed Knot Jul 10 2012 04:49 PM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

Cone's problem was an aneurysm, an enlargement of the artery that can burst if not caught and which is sometimes accompanied by a clot forming in that enlargement. That's a much longer rehab period since the artery needs to be cut and then given time to mend itself. Gee's procedure apparently was an internal breaking up of the clot without having to slice and stitch the blood vessel.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 11 2012 07:49 AM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

The article in the Daily News about Gee today had a sidebox showing Gee's stats for 2012. It was titled, "WHO GETS THE ROCK?" I have no idea what that means.

Ceetar Jul 11 2012 08:00 AM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

Benjamin Grimm wrote: The article in the Daily News about Gee today had a sidebox showing Gee's stats for 2012. It was titled, "WHO GETS THE ROCK?" I have no idea what that means. The News wants you to propose to it.

Edgy MD Jul 11 2012 08:17 AM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

Getting the rock = being handed the baseball to start.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 11 2012 09:23 AM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

Interesting. In 42 years as a baseball fan, I don't think I've ever heard that one before.

Frayed Knot Jul 11 2012 10:33 AM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Interesting. In 42 years as a baseball fan, I don't think I've ever heard that one before. That's because it's a basketball term.

Edgy MD Jul 11 2012 10:38 AM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

Yeah, "rock" usually refers to a basketball.

Mets – Willets Point Jul 11 2012 01:54 PM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

BREAKING: From the Mets on Twitter Medical Update on Dillon Gee: The arterial blood clot in Dillon Gee’s right shoulder has resolved and Dillon will be discharged from New York-Presbyterian Hospital today. During the next several days, Dillon will consider additional treatment options, including possible surgery, to prevent a recurrence of clotting in the same location. Mets made a move: With Gee on the DL, LHP Josh Edgin will join the team on Friday…Edgin was 3-2 with a 3.89 ERA in 35 games for Buffalo this season So I guess Josh edges in on Gee's spot.

Fman99 Jul 11 2012 06:30 PM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

The latest is now Gee most likely being out for a few months, very possibly the rest of '12, after scheduled shoulder surgery Friday.

Zvon Jul 11 2012 06:38 PM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

Fman99 wrote: The latest is now Gee most likely being out for a few months, very possibly the rest of '12, after scheduled shoulder surgery Friday. Gah!

Ashie62 Jul 11 2012 08:24 PM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

I said that yesterday.. Now go get someone Sandscrit.

Edgy MD Jul 11 2012 08:29 PM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

They don't need to go hunting. The answers are in the system. Really, every year you can expect 20% of the pitchers to go down with elbow woes and need Tommy John surgery, and 20% more to have some other catastrophic injury that costs them at least half the year and threatens their careers. If you're not ready for that, it's your own fault. Every second is a forking path.

Ashie62 Jul 11 2012 08:31 PM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

Edgy DC wrote: They don't need to go hunting. The answers are in the system. Really, every year you can expect 20% of the pitchers to go down with elbow woes and need Tommy John surgery, and 20% more to have some other catastrophic injury that costs them at least half the year and threatens their careers. If you're not ready for that, it's your own fault. Every second is a forking path. Hunting is just fine also...

Edgy MD Jul 11 2012 09:04 PM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

I don't think so. My fundamentally ethical objections to trading aside, giving up talent is always a perilous business that places more faith in a rushed late judgement than the deliberate, focused, and strategic judgement that had been governing the organization up to that point.

Swan Swan H Jul 12 2012 02:35 PM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

Surgery is confirmed for tomorrow, per the Mets official Twitter account. Dr. Robert Thompson, who probably did not play second base for the Giants, will be on lead scalpel.

Ceetar Jul 12 2012 02:39 PM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

Swan Swan H wrote: Surgery is confirmed for tomorrow, per the Mets official Twitter account. Dr. Robert Thompson, who probably did not play second base for the Giants, will be on lead scalpel. Obviously not, or Giants fans would've voted him to start on Tuesday.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 12 2012 05:09 PM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

Edgy DC wrote: I don't think so. My fundamentally ethical objections to trading aside, giving up talent is always a perilous business that places more faith in a rushed late judgement than the deliberate, focused, and strategic judgement that had been governing the organization up to that point. But wouldn't the Mets' trading partner also incur the same risks inherent in this "perilous business" of trading? And if each trader risks the same peril, then doesn't each trader, just the same, chance the same reward? Doesn't it all balance out, all things being equal? Or are you saying that the Mets aren't as good at trading as their competitors? Because if the Mets can't be trusted to make a trade, why should we credit their evaluation of their prospects?

metsguyinmichigan Jul 12 2012 05:52 PM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

Other than the short-lived bullpen thing, hasn't Mejia been a starter this year?

Frayed Knot Jul 12 2012 07:33 PM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Other than the short-lived bullpen thing, hasn't Mejia been a starter this year? Was switched to the pen a month or so ago.

metsguyinmichigan Jul 12 2012 07:42 PM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

Frayed Knot wrote: metsguyinmichigan wrote: Other than the short-lived bullpen thing, hasn't Mejia been a starter this year? Was switched to the pen a month or so ago. Can he switch back?

Edgy MD Jul 12 2012 08:05 PM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

batmagadanleadoff wrote: But wouldn't the Mets' trading partner also incur the same risks inherent in this "perilous business" of trading? And if each trader risks the same peril, then doesn't each trader, just the same, chance the same reward? Doesn't it all balance out, all things being equal? Or are you saying that the Mets aren't as good at trading as their competitors? Sure, which leaves it as a random and volatile hit-or-miss prospect. We can do better. We must. batmagadanleadoff wrote: Because if the Mets can't be trusted to make a trade, why should we credit their evaluation of their prospects? Well, historically, they've been just about the worst trading team ever, but it's not a question of trusting the people, but rather whether you trust the process. I don't. One process (improving via the trade table) is a short-term judgment, gun to your head, competing against other smart guys in a zero sum game. The other (developing your talent within) is a drawn out and deliberate one, developing talent with your own processes and your own innovations. The former is a confession of lost faith in the latter. Before Adam Smith, the wealth of nations was measured in silver and gold. With a finite amount of such treasure in the world, it was for nations to race and fight and betray each other to secure their share at the expense of everyone else --- and the great risk of putting your treasure on the line to seize greater treasure, exposing yourself to the murderous greed of others as desperate as you. What Smith made clear was that a nation that sees past this rat race was the nation that expanded the wealth within it's territory by freeing its people's minds to recognize new ways to recombine the nation's resources and apply the nation's technology. With the likes of Tejada, Murphy, and Dickey --- and countless others --- the Mets are growing their wealth from resources few saw value in. Now an important part of Smith's principles is also exploiting the demands of the expanding market, but I would recommend they wait until their treasure room is bursting and let the other teams come crawling to them. (And MLB teams don't represent a growing market, but an artificially constrained one.) The Mets were ripped for not acquiring a veteran lefthanded batter for the bench, but the inexperienced lefty benchie they threw out there --- Mike Baxter --- turned out to be better than any of the vet options. The Mets were ripped for not resigning José Reyes, but Tejada and the backups they've used have gotten them decidedly more production at short than the Marlins have had --- at a laughable fraction of the financial commitment. They recognized their resources without compromising them in a standoff at the trade table. Similarly, I think it's real shortsighted for a team with Pedro Beato in their right pocket and Josh Edgin in their left and Matt Harvey in their carryon luggage would give anything up for Huston Street. Innovate, innovate, innovate. They've been thinking since 2006 that the problem with their bullpen is the personnel. It's the usage. Innovate. I have, quite admittedly, a dim understanding of the economic theories that I'm brandishing. But Alderson and his team have changed the course of this team in a very short time with very little attention to the trade market and virtually no pursuit of other teams' competitively priced free-agents --- and I salute them for it.

TheOldMole Jul 13 2012 12:19 AM Re: Gee, I can't feel my fingers (formerly, uh oh)

Dr. Robert Thomson played third base and outfield for the Giants. Dr. Henry Thompson played some second, but mostly third.