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| Miguel Batista | 0 votes |
| Jeurys Familia | 0 votes |
| Matt Harvey | 14 votes |
| Jeremy Hefner | 6 votes |
| Collin McHugh | 1 votes |
| Dylan Owen (conservation of Dylans!) | 0 votes |
| Chris Schwinden | 1 votes |
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| Edgy MD Jul 10 2012 10:18 AM |
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DLon Gee looks like he's going to be out for a few starts. Who do the Mets turn to next?
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| MFS62 Jul 10 2012 10:25 AM Re: Starter Next |
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For only a few starts, I voted Hefner. It doesn't upset the 40 man roster as much as re-adding Batista would.
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| Edgy MD Jul 10 2012 10:35 AM Re: Starter Next |
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Really, by backdating his DL status to his last appearance, and with days off and the break, it's conceivable this is a one-start opening. I wouldn't conclude that, though.
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| Benjamin Grimm Jul 10 2012 11:17 AM Re: Starter Next |
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I'd like it to be Harvey, but I think it will be Hefner or Batista. I voted Hefner.
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| Edgy MD Jul 10 2012 11:19 AM Re: Starter Next |
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What I'm hoping for is what you'd like, I think.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 10 2012 11:32 AM Re: Starter Next |
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If this is to be brief-- and, with the extra days off, Collins may not need a fifth starter more than once-- it might not be worth it to 40-man Mr. Harvey at this point.
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| metsguyinmichigan Jul 10 2012 11:33 AM Re: Starter Next |
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Schwinnie's back, by the way. Since he last left us, he's been in the Blue Jay, Indian and Yankee systems. Not on the 40-man roster, though.
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| Ceetar Jul 10 2012 11:35 AM Re: Starter Next |
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I really have no idea what the implications of the clot mean to even guess if it's a 'heal the wound and get back out there' recovery or something a little more intensive. I go Dickey, Niese, Young, off day, Santana, Dickey, Niese against Braves/Nats. Then Young against LA and Saturday July 21st is the first game you 'need' that 5th guy. (one day shy of when Gee could be activated) I'd entertain the idea of doing that, and going with an extra reliever. E Ramirez? sure. You'd have a much better idea about Gee by then. Either way, I choose Harvey. Short time term it's a nice trial and I think would give him a better idea of what to work on in AAA. Get a taste of how MLB opposing hitters see him. Long Term..well it seems likely he'd be the guy best suited to give you the most value. Yeah, Schwinden cleared waivers. The Mets haven't seemingly cared about adding him and having to release him, but I'd rather use Hefner and hold the spot open.
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| bmfc1 Jul 10 2012 12:11 PM Re: Starter Next |
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Perhaps the following, given the fact that they want to give Johan extra time for his ankle to recover:
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| Ceetar Jul 10 2012 12:58 PM Re: Starter Next |
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That's what I said, just with Niese/Dickey reversed. Get's both them to face the Nats twice.
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| bmfc1 Jul 10 2012 01:03 PM Re: Starter Next |
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"Ceetar also knows his shit!"
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 10 2012 01:39 PM Re: Starter Next |
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| bmfc1 Jul 10 2012 02:08 PM Re: Starter Next |
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Geez--tweets say Batista next Wednesday in WSH. Good idea: it's not like the Nationals are in first place and this could be a very important series. Go ahead and use the suckiest guy on the pitching staff.
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| Edgy MD Jul 10 2012 02:10 PM Re: Starter Next |
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Got a 4.00 ERA as a starter, compared to Schwinny's 11.25 and swinging Hef's 6.89. Maybe not palatable, but it's a tough choice to argue with.
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| bmfc1 Jul 10 2012 02:16 PM Re: Starter Next |
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With the off day on Monday, they don't need a 5th starter until the 21st (see above). This could be a key series and they're screwing around. If they want to start Batista instead of Harvey, fine but do it against the Dodgers.
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| Edgy MD Jul 10 2012 02:34 PM Re: Starter Next |
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Yeah, I'm on board with that.
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| Edgy MD Jul 10 2012 02:40 PM Re: Starter Next |
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I checked the numbers. I'm not sure how meaningful they are, if at all, or if Terry's checked 'em, but Batista has appeared five times against the Nats this year (5.67 innings) with a 3.18 ERA.
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| Ashie62 Jul 10 2012 04:30 PM Re: Starter Next |
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Harvey..I dont believe Gee will be back this season.
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| TransMonk Jul 10 2012 05:44 PM Re: Starter Next |
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Harvey...the future is now.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 10 2012 05:57 PM Re: Starter Next |
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| Swan Swan H Jul 10 2012 06:15 PM Re: Starter Next |
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 11 2012 06:58 PM Re: Starter Next |
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| Ashie62 Jul 11 2012 08:26 PM Re: Starter Next |
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Bring up Harvey and Wheeler...Chris Young bites.
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| Ashie62 Jul 11 2012 08:29 PM Re: Starter Next |
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Uh...I am correct sugar-poster.
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| Ceetar Jul 12 2012 06:58 AM Re: Starter Next |
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I wouldn't mind seeing McHugh either.
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| MFS62 Jul 12 2012 09:25 AM Re: Starter Next |
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McHugh has had some rough starts lately.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 12 2012 09:25 AM Re: Starter Next |
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Since Gee's gone for the year, I change my vote to the six-foot-tall invisible rabbit.
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| TransMonk Jul 12 2012 10:20 AM Re: Starter Next |
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His divisional rival pedigree aside, Kevin Millwood could be a cheap alternative in trade to fill out the rotation this season.
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| Frayed Knot Jul 15 2012 07:08 PM Re: Starter Next |
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Joel Sherman this morning's NY Post -- The Mets are sending a contingent of executives to Buffalo tomorrow to watch Matt Harvey’s Triple-A start against a horrible Toledo team. If they like what they see, Harvey could start Saturday at Citi Field against the Dodgers.
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| Ashie62 Jul 15 2012 07:11 PM Re: Starter Next |
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The only reason for them to go see him is to have him sign paperwork and get a ride back to NY.
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| Frayed Knot Jul 15 2012 07:30 PM Re: Starter Next |
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No, GMs go to see prospects all the time and for all kinds of reasons.
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| Ashie62 Jul 15 2012 09:11 PM Re: Starter Next |
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I know, I'd be shocked if they dont bring him back though.
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| Ceetar Jul 16 2012 07:09 AM Re: Starter Next |
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'horrible Toledo team'? Is he implying that they can't believe anything they see because Toledo sucks? I suspect it's a little irrelevant. They probably want to talk to people too. and interview of sorts. After all, if it was just about the box score they could watch on tv.
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| metirish Jul 16 2012 07:16 AM Re: Starter Next |
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Sherman covers these horrible Mud Hens?
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 16 2012 07:35 AM Re: Starter Next |
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He might be implying something.
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| Edgy MD Jul 16 2012 07:58 AM Re: Starter Next |
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It's just hilarious that he can't state a simple fact without fully loaded editorializing.
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| Ceetar Jul 16 2012 06:01 PM Re: Starter Next |
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Harvey no hits through 4. three walks though. Walked first and third in the fourth, but a K, Pick off and K get him out of it unscatched.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 16 2012 06:23 PM Re: Starter Next |
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He's used the change-up a few times, too-- once in getting out of the man-on-third jam-- and it's looked nice. Is the issue with that pitch a consistency matter, or a comfort thing?
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| Frayed Knot Jul 16 2012 07:59 PM Re: Starter Next |
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Final line:
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| Ceetar Jul 16 2012 08:59 PM Re: Starter Next |
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just enough to keep it from being an easy decision either way.
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| TransMonk Jul 17 2012 07:32 AM Re: Starter Next |
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I watched most of the Bisons game and was left unconvinced that he can thrive in the MLB. Yes, he's a warm body...but I don't think he can live up to the hype right now.
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| Ceetar Jul 17 2012 07:35 AM Re: Starter Next |
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Better than Miguel Batista without hindering development? I think that's where we're at.
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| Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 07:45 AM Re: Starter Next |
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I don't know that they see either of those things as assured.
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| Ceetar Jul 17 2012 07:53 AM Re: Starter Next |
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I don't think the starter versus reliever ERA is much more than statistical noise honestly. I wouldn't put Harvey in the pen unless it's September, we're fine with starters, and he's reaching an innings limit of sorts. Rather keep him fully stretched out and on turn. Learning doesn't stop at the major league level. The chances of a good Harvey outing versus a good Batista inning have to be pretty close. I think it's in Matt's favor. We'll see what the Mets think. Still, with every start it likely swings more and more in his favor, no matter where those starts are.
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| TransMonk Jul 17 2012 07:56 AM Re: Starter Next |
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I'd wait until the west coast trip. It gives Harvey a couple more AAA starts on regular rest. It takes away the home-town hype. And we may know a lot more about where this team stands after the 6 games with the Nats.
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| Edgy MD Jul 17 2012 08:22 AM Re: Starter Next |
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Point to Monk.
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| Ashie62 Jul 17 2012 08:27 AM Re: Starter Next |
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I guess at the moment its 6 of one half dozen of the other for the time being.
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| Swan Swan H Jul 17 2012 09:00 AM Re: Starter Next |
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What Monk said. I'm no Roger Jongewaard, but Harvey looked to me like he was barely getting past the Mud Hens last night, results notwithstanding.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 17 2012 09:44 AM Re: Starter Next Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jul 17 2012 09:49 AM |
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Really? The only runs he let up were due to his teammates selling him out (a "wild pitch" past May that should have been blocked; an inning-ending DP bobbled by Satin; a stinky relief job from Hampson). Though the fastball command was spotty at moments (apparently an aberration-- he hasn't let up more than 2 BB in an outing for well over a month, outside of last night), it looked to me like his stuff was pretty damn good.
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| Benjamin Grimm Jul 17 2012 09:46 AM Re: Starter Next |
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I've read a few times that Harvey's pitch selection needs some maturing. Isn't the solution to not have him call his pitches? Let Thole or Warthen do it?
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 17 2012 09:50 AM Re: Starter Next |
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A little gunshy with the offspeed stuff, is how I've heard it. He threw the change a couple of times in the All-Star game outing, and at least 4-5 times last night... so that appears to be changing (with significant urging from Backman/Mets FO staff, no doubt).
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| Ceetar Jul 17 2012 09:54 AM Re: Starter Next |
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Not that I trust Warthen for anything in this dept, but yeah. Maybe hitters actually hitting his pitches in the majors will drive home the need to work on that aspect of his game better than the minors.
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| TransMonk Jul 17 2012 03:52 PM Re: Starter Next |
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Per Metsblog, TC has "suggested" that it'll be Miggy on Saturday.
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| Ashie62 Jul 17 2012 04:20 PM Re: Starter Next |
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Geez Monk...while I'm eating?
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