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I'm concerned. ... About the future.
John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 19 2012 08:30 AM |
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metirish Jul 19 2012 08:39 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
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yeah , need to go the FA route..... http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compe ... age_id=177 some great outfield help but likely not coming here....not much in the potential FA 2nd basemen not an easy task at all......
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Centerfield Jul 19 2012 08:40 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
I'm with you on this. Outside of Wright, they don't have a regular player even approaching an .800 OPS. Several missing pieces here.
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batmagadanleadoff Jul 19 2012 08:40 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
The future is ...
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bmfc1 Jul 19 2012 08:51 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
Well put JCL. A lot of food for thought. Some teams get a breakthrough hitter who wasn't on their radar. It doesn't appear that the Mets have any pleasant surprises at the moment.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 19 2012 08:54 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
Great future in plastics.
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Vic Sage Jul 19 2012 09:09 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
i said most of this in the pre-season prediction threads, so obviously i concur when most of it has proved out so far. (i even made that Davis/LaRoche comparison i think). And i'm not sold on Tejada as a .320 hitter quite yet either, though he is a good defensive SS with a good approach at the plate.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 19 2012 09:24 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
I don't necessarily buy Tejada as a high-average guy. But a durable high-OBP guy with decent defense? That's a guy who signs for $8-10M a year on the open market. That's a guy you can pencil into your starting lineup (and leadoff slot) for a half-decade, at least.
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Ceetar Jul 19 2012 09:27 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
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He's had hot stretches before, and tailed off too. Let's see where he finishes. and durable? well..we'll see. This year, not so much. I think all of Duda, Murphy, Tejada, Thole, Davis are on some sort of audition this season. If they were all, or most, for real, the Mets could definitely make the playoffs. But Alderson will have to make some upgrade decisions somewhere.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 19 2012 09:31 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
OK, so if I'm trying and assemble some position players through our current fleet I've got Duda, Muffy, Bay, Santana, Torres, Rauch, Francisco and Young on the trade block, just to start. Others?
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TransMonk Jul 19 2012 09:37 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
Here's the way I see it:
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Ashie62 Jul 19 2012 10:18 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
1. Sell whatever you can in the next two weeks...Muffy....Hairston....
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bmfc1 Jul 19 2012 10:23 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
With the ? at 2B, you could put Jordany there but Sandy said the other day that he sees JV as an OF.
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Ashie62 Jul 19 2012 10:28 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
You could..I was thinking a really good glove to much with Tejada and picking up a true top shelf bomber for the offense.
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Benjamin Grimm Jul 19 2012 10:28 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
If they could trade Bay and Santana they'd free up a lot of spending cash. Bay will be impossible to trade -- I suspect he'll be released before the end of spring training next year -- but I bet if they floated Santana over the next week or so they'd find some interest. Of course, that means a big step back for the remainder of 2012, but the way they've been playing lately they're looking less and less like they'll be serious contenders.
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Vic Sage Jul 19 2012 01:22 PM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
i'd be all about moving Santana before the deadline if i thought that (1) they'd get back actual prospects or players, rather than just dump salary, and (2) reinvest any salary savings in quality FAs, but i think the Wilpons would take next to nothing just to dump his salary and then put the savings in their pocket. so no thanks.
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bmfc1 Jul 19 2012 01:49 PM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
VS: Outstanding. They'd justify doing that with some nonsense about making up for losses in attendance or other revenue.
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Ceetar Jul 19 2012 01:53 PM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
They're not moving Santana. The return they'd get is practically nothing, and you can never have too much starting pitching. particularly top of the line pitching. Harvey and Wheeler are still closer to pipedreams than mainstays in the 2013 or 2014 rotation.
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Benjamin Grimm Jul 19 2012 02:45 PM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
They'd move him to free up millions of dollars, not because of the player they'd get back.
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Frayed Knot Jul 19 2012 09:35 PM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
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But the whole point about this thread was to question how good are the likes of Davis, Tejada, Den Dekker, Duda, and Thole (either now or in the future) so this lineup is at least as iffy as the one we're wondering about now - and that's before we even get to "?" at 2B and "Slugger" in LF. Dealing Muffy and Hairston isn't going to net much. Yes, I think we're going to have to go outside the org for offense. Ideally SOME of the young parts we have now will blossom into above average ML players; the key is to figure out which ones and sell on the others, hopefully to someone who believes more in the guy we're selling than we do. I remember the mid-90s Yanx opting to keep Bernie Williams over Gerald Williams. It wasn't a popular decision at the time or even necessarily the obvious one, but it was clearly the right one in the long run and even though they didn't really get much for GW (although Graeme Lloyd helped them win the '96 WS) such decisions are often what make or break a team.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 19 2012 09:49 PM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
I guess if there's a Williams-Williams equivalent with this club it could be Duda-Davis. Let's just say Sandy decides he can only have 1 high-whiff lefty slugger and he'll be a first base. Who will have the better numbers in the coming years? That's a kinda tough decision.
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Nymr83 Jul 19 2012 10:08 PM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
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If you decide that Duda's bat will never be good enough to justify his sub-par defensive presense in the outfield then you may get stuck with just that decision. And i don't know who i'd pick.
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Edgy MD Jul 19 2012 10:44 PM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
They've got three secondbasemen and half a dozen outfielders in the pipeline who might make a splash, depending on what you consider Valdespin to be. I'm sticking with the plan.
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Ceetar Jul 19 2012 10:54 PM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
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yeah, but that's conspiracy theory stuff and hard to predict/guess/know what they're thinking/planning. So I'll stick to the baseball viewpoint.
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Benjamin Grimm Jul 20 2012 04:58 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
Okay, the baseball viewpoint: Santana may be gone before July 31.
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duan Jul 20 2012 05:23 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
I don't know, I think there's a lot we know in 7/8 days and I'm prepared to wait to figure it out.
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Edgy MD Jul 20 2012 07:36 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
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Davis in a heartbeat. And I LOVE my Duda. But I'm not thinking it's going to come to an either/or thing. Independent decisions going forward.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 20 2012 07:41 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
Just for fun, will poll this
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 10 2012 09:55 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
Joel Sherman surfing this very wave.
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MFS62 Aug 10 2012 10:14 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
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Sherman is to sportswriting what Tiny Tim was to singing. Later
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Vic Sage Aug 10 2012 10:27 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
style and syntax aside, what did he say that you feel was untrue?
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batmagadanleadoff Aug 10 2012 10:43 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
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Howie Megdal, formidable challenger to Tim Marchman's throne as gloomiest writer on all things Mets, is also concerned about the future.
http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/s ... over-again ______________________ How long before the Mets find themselves in a Reyes situation with R.A. Dickey?
http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/s ... -ra-dickey
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 10 2012 10:54 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
I think Medgal's first article there is a reach, any two crappy teams might have similarities, his almost seem chosen just to provocatively fit the comparison he wants to make. It wasn't convincing to me anyway. He also overstates Zachry as "huge", sloppily compares McGraw to Beltran etc etc
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batmagadanleadoff Aug 10 2012 10:58 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
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I agree. Megdal's been sounding like a bad broken record to me ever since the Picard suit settled: He contrives to diss the Mets.
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Edgy MD Aug 10 2012 11:03 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
Any credibility he had with me he staked on the impossibility of the case coming to a settlement.
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Frayed Knot Aug 10 2012 11:17 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
Most if not all of the 'This Year' is just like 'That Year' comparisons are too forced to mean much.
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Gwreck Aug 10 2012 11:21 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
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I thought he staked it on the Wilpons having to sell, because of -- in addition to the Picard suit -- future debt payments for the Stadium, SNY and team (loan from Chase, wasn't it?) that they would not be able to afford. Obviously things are on a financial upswing for the Mets this year (settling with Picard, selling those partial shares; better record than expected) but I think it's premature to say Megal was wrong. I mean, look at what CF said above. If the Mets are missing the pieces needed to contend, they are going to need to fill them with expensive free agents. I suppose when that time comes (whether this offseason or next) we'll have a better idea of their financial health.
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Edgy MD Aug 10 2012 11:33 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
Megdal explicitly stated on more than one occasion that a settlement couldn't happen.
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Ceetar Aug 10 2012 11:39 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
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Some of those partial shares were bought _themselves_ If they had (was it 3?) $60 mill to do that, I think it's far-fetched that they haven't seen the road ahead and what they need to do and afford to get through it. Unless you think that that was their only $60 million, and the other 9 minority guys were simply the only 9 people in the world that could afford it and were willing to invest, but that seems unlikely.
This is a narrative. You can often make it fit however you like it. It can make good stories. (say comparing it to 84 like some of done) but it's otherwise totally meaningless in terms of predicting the future. Hell, if we knew this was like 77, sell everyone for prospects and gamble that way because we know it's not working out. If it's like '84 it's time to acquire the big free agents to put us over the hump with the prospects we know are going to grow and work out. But I can't comment on what '77 was like. but no-hitter, R.A. Dickey's amazingness? Wright's half season of MVP and getting to see potential in a couple of other places in various degrees from Davis and Tejada and Nieuwenhuis and Harvey among others? I can't imagine the late 70s were like that.
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Edgy MD Aug 10 2012 11:46 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
The 2012 Mets average 29,099 fans. The 1977 team averaged 13,171.
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metirish Aug 10 2012 11:57 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
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good article I thought
these are fears well expressed here on this forum......
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Ceetar Aug 10 2012 12:17 PM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
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Nothing he said here was 'untrue' but he's creating the team in his head that he thinks the Mets should be, not what the Mets actually need to be to win. Presuming all major league teams have three legitimate outfielders is a stretch anyway, but to say there's no chance Duda or Nieuwenhuis become one is just silly. Andres Torres is already there and Hairston, though unsigned, is a very good 4th guy. I know Thole's not great an has taken a step back this year offensively but he's OBP is in the top half of catchers. The shortage of catchers helps Thole, it doesn't hurt him. vague allusions to what what the "Mets' hierarchy feels about Davis and Murphy's ability to be 'first-division' aren't helpful to anything. Davis has shaken off a bad start and Murphy's certainly shown himself to be mostly capable. The second half isn't exactly fully closed yet, but Jon Niese has NOT shown endurance issues, merely had a bad start or two. first half ERA 3.73, second half 4.09. But its' been 33 innings in the second half. not enough to make sweeping judgements. Dillon Gee had a medical issue. Does that mean he's a physical uncertainty for NEXT season? never mind he's the 5th starter.. I know Johan's ERA ballooned when he was apparently pitching hurt, but I wouldn't describe his contributions as choking. Sure, he's paid a lot, probably more than he'll produce, value wise, but he's still producing value.
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Ashie62 Aug 10 2012 05:26 PM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
They stink and will eventually improve, I hope.
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themetfairy Aug 10 2012 05:38 PM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
I believe. I believe.
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smg58 Aug 11 2012 10:02 PM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
I've always thought, and still think, that Thole could be the backup catcher on a good team. We've seen enough of him to know what to expect.
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Vic Sage Aug 13 2012 09:12 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
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A MIRACLE ON ROOSEVELT AVE?
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Vic Sage Aug 13 2012 09:35 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 13 2012 10:07 AM |
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agreed; problem being he's our starter, and our backup shouldn't be on a major league roster. Are there any answers in the pipeline? i don't know.
Murphy's not a puzzle; when we ask ourselves what he is, we know... we just don't like the answer. He's punchless and speedless but he's a solid contact hitter who could be useful in the 2 slot in a lineup with sufficient power and speed elsewhere. But his best defensive position is probably 3B, and that makes him less useful to us since our best player plays there. So he's been played mostly out of position (1B, OF, 2b) with the Mets and hasn't completely embarrassed himself but would have to improve greatly to be average. He might be of more value to a team willing to live with his lack of HR/RBI power at 3b or 1b or DH, and they should see what he's worth, but i wouldn't move him just to move him. I'd prefer to use him as a super-utility guy and find a better 2bman.
Agreed; it's too soon to write off Nieuwenhuis, and Valdespin may end up pretty good too. Baxter, too, has been consistently productive in a backup role. But i've never had much confidence in Duda, or much use for Torres. Bay? oy.
i think the glass is half empty. RA will likely to continue being productive until he starts breaking down physically (he is 37), but Johan has already broken down, and despite his no-hitter this year, i have no reason to believe he'll be a reliable SP going forward. Harvey shows flashes, but his control is erratic, and Niese is inconsistent too. Gee is pretty consistently shit, with a career 92 ERA+ to support that view. Maybe Wheeler is close, maybe he's not. Neither Familia nor Mejia have performed well at higher levels of minors so far, and there seems to be all kinds of doubts and confusion as to what their best roles would be.
the one area where Sandy decided to be active in the FA market and spend some money and it totally imploded. I like Sandy and his approach, but this fact does not instill me with confidence.
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batmagadanleadoff Aug 13 2012 09:43 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
I'd cut Sandy a lot of slack on the bullpen he put together. I mean the Wilpons gave him what -- three dollars and eighty two cents and a half off coupon on 20 cans of cat food to assemble essentially an entire pen?
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 13 2012 09:48 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
Bullpens aren't worth really investing in anyway, the whole thing is a crapshoot, guy to guy, appearance to appearance. What you want are good arms and good luck.
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Edgy MD Aug 13 2012 09:59 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
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And redundancy and, frankly, either the control or the guts to throw strikes.
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Ceetar Aug 13 2012 10:00 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
I'm concerned that they'res a major preparation flaw in the pitching, on the coaching side. Mix in some new faces and there's no reason to think it'll completely suck again next year. They could also use some better defense.
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Vic Sage Aug 13 2012 10:12 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
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my problem isn't with how little he had to spend (though that's a larger issue), or that he didn't get value for the money, it was the decision to spend what little resources he had on a bullpen, knowing that pens are so erratic and how many internal options we had (which were not substantially better or worse than what we could buy for $3.82 + cat food coupon). It's that decision that makes me start to question his judgment. But maybe we were locked in everywhere else and, for what he had to spend, figured the only place he could have an impact is the pen. which is fair enough. believe me, i'm happy to give Sandy the benefit of the doubt.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 13 2012 10:25 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
Yeah, I'm not sure the actual amount of $$ he had to spend could have spent elsewhere as effectively. I trust that they studied that part out and determined as much anyway.
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batmagadanleadoff Aug 13 2012 10:37 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
Unless the Mets pulled another R.A. Dickey, I didn't expect for there to be significant improvement from outside acquisitions. They weren't trading prospects and were financially broke. Any real improvement would've come from Duda hitting where he left off -like an All Star. Duda didn't. Or from Bay, showing signs of his pre-Mets days. That didn't pan out either. It's hard to imagine Bay worse than his previous Mets seasons, but Bay managed to lower the impossibly low bar he'd already established. Dickey's Cy Young caliber season is more than offset by Johan's deterioration, Pelf's season ending injury and the rest of the starting staff's inconsistency and mediocrity. Ike Davis is Dave Kingman this season, albeit with a better glove but without the league leading HR totals. We're gonna have to suffer a few bad seasons as part of the rebuild. There's no way around it. And no guarantee that the Mets'll be competitive in a few years, either.
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batmagadanleadoff Aug 14 2012 09:47 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
What I don't get is why the young 'uns like Nieuwenhuis, Duda and Valdespin aren't getting the lion's share of the at-bats going forward? And this Duda demotion -- I've mulled it in my head over and over and over and it still makes no sense to me. Fielding's all the same whether in the Minors or Majors and the guy has little to prove hitting-wise in AAA. I'll give the Mets the benefit of the doubt that they know hundreds and hundreds of things about Duda for every one tiny thing that I know about the guy 'cause that's the only way I can make Duda's demotion jibe. It seems to me though, that the Wilpons are back in meddle mode and that even a rebuild, under this ownership, is about as half-assed as everything else they do. Because now they have to fool the foolable portion of the fan base into thinking they're playoff contenders this year so maybe they can pull in the extra attendance that they apparently still desperately need. So we get to watch Torres and Bay, who won't be part of the future and are barely part of the present, quality-wise.
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Ceetar Aug 14 2012 10:04 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
I'd be surprised of Duda's not back on the next homestand. I suppose they might be managing the roster crunch by not demoting someone like Valdespin to bring him back (They're not going to just release Bay. the potential payoff, however miniscule, of him showing anything between now and March 20th is too high for what's at this point maybe 30 AB until rosters expand) until 9/1, but someone getting hurt could change that. Or they do actually trade Hairston, but no one's offering anything for him, so..
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batmagadanleadoff Aug 15 2012 05:18 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
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The Future ... as Envisioned Almost Nine Months Ago
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/artic ... leid=15644
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batmagadanleadoff Aug 15 2012 12:35 PM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
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Check with Sandy': Mets plead ignorance on plans for next year
http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/s ... -next-year
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Centerfield Aug 15 2012 01:45 PM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
I get this bad feeling that the Mets are going to suck for a long time.
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Ceetar Aug 15 2012 01:49 PM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
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seems unlikely.
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TransMonk Aug 15 2012 01:57 PM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
The Mets have sucked for four years now. However unlikely it seems to Ceets, I don't see a terribly bright light at the end of this tunnel.
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Ceetar Aug 15 2012 02:02 PM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
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David Wright, R.A. Dickey, Ruben Tejada, Matt Harvey, Zach Wheeler*, Ike Davis, Jon Niese etc. They also played pretty good for the first four halves of those seasons, so why think it's the second half that's going to shine through going forward? Maybe a couple of adjustments and they don't sink next year.
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TransMonk Aug 15 2012 02:16 PM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
I'm not saying there aren't bright spots...but overall, given the roster as a whole, the farm system as a whole and the questions surrounding financial flexibility, I'm not betting on a true contender in the immediate future.
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Ceetar Aug 15 2012 02:29 PM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
and I know this thread is about concern, but I'm not really any more concerned about the future than I have been. Things don't seem particularly stacked against the Mets to me is all.
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Edgy MD Aug 15 2012 02:47 PM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
Read enough Megdal, I'd be concerned about the future of a lot more than the Mets.
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Gwreck Aug 15 2012 03:37 PM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
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If by "a couple of adjustments" you mean "a couple of better players." The problem with your theory is that it depends on average players all having a good year all at the same time. I don't think that's a responsible strategy if you want to be in meaningful contention.
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metsguyinmichigan Aug 15 2012 03:38 PM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
"Debt-plagued?"
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 15 2012 04:41 PM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
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A description of the Wilpons, if not the Mets, necessarily. Megdal appears again to be shoehorning a whole lot of context into a couple of "magic quotes."
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Ashie62 Aug 15 2012 04:45 PM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
I'm more concerned about Wrights interview talking about the goals of the franchise and wanting to play for a winner.
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Ashie62 Aug 15 2012 04:47 PM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
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Mets are 12 of 16 in attendance.
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Edgy MD Aug 15 2012 05:37 PM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
Every player ever will make the same sounds. Wright can be accommodated or he can't. The difference will not be his assessment of whether or not Nimmo has the goods.
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Ashie62 Aug 15 2012 05:52 PM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
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Nimmo is not on his radar..The dedication to winning is.
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Edgy MD Aug 15 2012 07:42 PM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
Which is measured how?
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Ashie62 Aug 15 2012 08:41 PM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
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Maybe he want to be with someone like the Angels or Cards..ez livin for life.
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Edgy MD Aug 15 2012 08:57 PM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
I don't see how that answers the question.
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Ashie62 Aug 15 2012 09:07 PM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
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Hes looking for a winning culture..Will the Mets show him that? Discussion closed.
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Edgy MD Aug 15 2012 09:11 PM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
I didn't realize you had that power.
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Ceetar Aug 16 2012 05:43 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
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That's always going to be the case in some extent though. You get guys you think are going to have good years, and some of them don't. But I think that describes _this_ season pretty well. The Mets had a lot of players that may just be average but might've been more. Duda, Torres (dreaming on 2010, even though he's not been bad), Davis, Murphy, Tejada, Thole, Gee, Niese, Santana (via him being injured and us having to use an average starter) But the thing is, we have a year more of data (with some yet to come) in which to make the assessment on which of those players are average, which are good, and which are average capable of having good years. Or average that had a good year that you can convince someone else is a good player. So now the Mets make a couple of adjustments to roster, but acquiring players to replace the ones they've determined not to be part of the solution. Some of those are going to be average guys we're hoping show something, but it should raise the chances of more guys having good years.
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batmagadanleadoff Aug 16 2012 06:06 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
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And why wouldn't that hold true for every other struggling team? Hey! Maybe next season, there's so much improvement going around that the league sets some sort of record when every team finishes over .500. You know what? I think the Mets are gonna need to win 105 games in 2013 just to qualify for the one game WC eliminator.
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Ceetar Aug 16 2012 06:58 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
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Of course it's true for every other team! But the Mets have a little higher of a base than the Astros..with Wright and Dickey, et al. And even if they never really shake this off again, they're a 75 win team not a 65 win one. they don't need quite as many adjustments as the Royals. Small changes yield big results sometimes. Just another solidly good hitter, let's say an outfielder, would do amazing things for the overall offense for instance. Particularly if he can hit home runs.
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batmagadanleadoff Aug 16 2012 07:06 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
So what about the 18 teams that have better records than the Mets? Can't they make the same adjustments to improve? You remind me of a friend I had who would always return from Atlantic City having won big at the casinos. He never lost. So he said. Of course, he calculated his winnings by counting his two big winning hands doubling down at Blackjack but wouldn't count the 30 straight losing hands in between that he suffered. You remind me of that guy. Because you'll remember the dramatic game winning bomb Torres or Valdy hit but ignore the thirty or forty outs they make for every homer they hit. Then you'll extrapolate next year's projection for these guys based only on their highs.
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Edgy MD Aug 16 2012 07:16 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
It would seem to me that just getting back up to average in leftfield would take the team a nice ways. But I checked and leftfield isn't even the team's weakest offensive position relative to the league, thanks to Hairston getting hot when Bay got hurt. When Thole got hurt, by comparison, Nickeas was... not hot.
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Ceetar Aug 16 2012 07:53 AM Re: I'm concerned. ... About the future. |
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the same adjustments? no, two teams can't sign the same players. I'm not saying it's simply "Plug in this guy" or that it'll be easy. The Mets leapfrog some of those 18 teams by finding the better adjustment which will come from evaluation and budget and all sorts of things. Doesn't mean they will find the better player, just that they can. Don't compare me to that guy. You can't only look at highs, but there's some calculation for floor too. Torres for instance, has been basically league average this year by OPS+. (Actually, he's dropped to 93. was 97 last time i looked) the chances Torres is somewhat capable are pretty good. (career 97 OPS+) he's older but not that old. So while you don't pencil him for 2010 Torres, you know he's probably not going to kill you. Valdespin might make a good lefty pinch-hitter guy, but I'm not comfortable expecting him to be more than that. I think what's killed the Mets more than anything this year is that when some of these guys struggle, they _really_ struggle. Torres too. Duda. Nieuwenhuis. Davis. the left fielder. It's so feast or famine that it feels like when one guy does real well, there's someone else balancing him out by not hitting anything. So a couple of adjustments. get a good outfielder. replace some of these marginal guys that go into month long slumps maybe in favor of a Torres like guy that's going to at least get on base. Murphy seems like this guy to me, even when he's slumping is good enough with the bat usually to slap a single here or there. though you'd like him to walk more.
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