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Player to Beato Named Later for Kelly Shoppach


I hate this trade. 1 votes

I dislike this trade. 10 votes

I indifferent this trade. 8 votes

I like this trade. 5 votes

I love this trade. 0 votes

Edgy MD
Aug 16 2012 02:25 PM

Mets fill a need. Mets draw from a needful place.

Swan Swan H
Aug 16 2012 02:28 PM
Re: Pedro to Beato Named Later for Kelly Shoppach

I voted dislike. Shoppach is nothing special, and they could have tried to get him after the season if they had a desire to. Only didn't vote 'hate' because I have doubts about Beato becoming anything more than a back-of-the-bullpen guy.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Aug 16 2012 02:29 PM
Re: Pedro to Beato Named Later for Kelly Shoppach

I'd feel different if Beato had showed anything this year but he hasn't and his role as the Bullpen Guy With The Good Arm can and will be filled by Elvin Ramirez.

There's still 40-some games left, a better catcher might make a difference in some of them. I'm still hopeful we can hold on to 3rd place.

Frayed Knot
Aug 16 2012 02:49 PM
Re: Pedro to Beato Named Later for Kelly Shoppach

Under different circumstances or timing this could be a good deal.
How it's a good move for this team at this time is a mystery to me.

I hope they have plans for Shop-vac beyond just playing out the string - although any plans by mgmt are going to require his cooperation as well.

MFS62
Aug 16 2012 03:39 PM
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I voted "like". But that would be only if they are going to give him a real test drive to see if they would offer him a contract for next year. I don't think strict platooning, where they don't face that many lefty starters, would be a fair test. But he does seem to be better than any of the near term in-house help. It will be interesting to see how Terry uses him.

Later

TransMonk
Aug 16 2012 03:40 PM
Re: Pedro to Beato Named Later for Kelly Shoppach

I indifferent this trade.

I indifferent this trade all the way to hell.

bmfc1
Aug 16 2012 04:07 PM
Re: Pedro to Beato Named Later for Kelly Shoppach

I agree with FK. Believe me, I'm thrilled to see anybody other than Thole catch. My dislike of Thole as a Met is on the record. Having said that, why now? Thole stunk just as much in April as he does now and if they had Shoppach instead of Johnson and Nickeas, maybe they would have won a few more games when they counted. Sandy gave up a fringe major leaguer for someone that will play during these meaningless months and then might go elsewhere.

Ashie62
Aug 16 2012 05:06 PM
Re: Pedro to Beato Named Later for Kelly Shoppach

I like. Mets will have a new bullpen anyway next year.

Frayed Knot
Aug 16 2012 05:58 PM
Re: Pedro to Beato Named Later for Kelly Shoppach

Shoppach is 32 years old folks.
There's not a lot out there to learn about him.

TheOldMole
Aug 17 2012 10:32 AM
Re: Pedro to Beato Named Later for Kelly Shoppach

I voted indifferent, but actually any move the Mets make that gets rid of anyone in their bullpen is a good one.

Vic Sage
Aug 17 2012 11:10 AM
Re: Pedro to Beato Named Later for Kelly Shoppach

what FK said. ditto. dislike.

This is a move you make if your in a race and you have a need. Otherwise, you don't give up a 25-year old power arm (whom you can control for a few more years) for 6 weeks of a 32-year old platoon catcher who will be a FA.

It's not like Beato didn't show some promise last year; and it's not like he was given much of an opportunity this year. We do not yet know what he will be, while we DO know what Shoppach is, and its a barely adequate RHed platoon partner for Thole for the next 1 1/2 months.

the only reason i didn't vote "hate" is because i don't want to overstate Beato's potential.

Edgy MD
Aug 17 2012 11:25 AM
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I dislike. The only reason I didn't "hate" is because Alderson's team still gets the benefit of the doubt with me.

Possible things you can learn about a 32-year-old catcher by acquiring him that you maybe can't learn about him by scouting him:
[list:r3uogao0][*:r3uogao0]Can he work with your staff?[/*:m:r3uogao0]
[*:r3uogao0]Can he handle the knuckler?[/*:m:r3uogao0]
[*:r3uogao0]Can he mentor a younger protegé?[/*:m:r3uogao0]
[*:r3uogao0]Is his ability to hit lefties a statistical illusion, perhaps enhanced by Fenway, or is it a for-real thing?[/*:m:r3uogao0][/list:u:r3uogao0]

Just speculating.

bmfc1
Aug 17 2012 12:40 PM
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When the Mets DFA'd Q, the Orioles claimed him and gave the Mets cash. That was for 3 months and Q is the O's starting SS.
When the Red Sox DFA'd Shoppach, the Mets claimed him and gave the Red Sox a former major league player. That was for less than 2 months and the player will play about half of the games.

The Wilpons still only care about money.

Edgy MD
Aug 17 2012 01:41 PM
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I'm not sure I understand the complaint from that perspective. The Mets take on salary with this deal.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Aug 17 2012 01:47 PM
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Edgy DC wrote:
I'm not sure I understand the complaint from that perspective. The Mets take on salary with this deal.


I think that's what finally pushes me into "strong dislike" for this; if you're going to give up a controllable bullpen asset with a live arm for a 32-year-old catcher who can't hit righties who's set to walk... you could AT LEAST have them pick up the tab, no? I mean, in similar circumstances, Sandy paid for Wheeler fair and square.

G-Fafif
Aug 17 2012 01:56 PM
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The fine print tilts a little unfavorably, but after complaining that everyone in the bullpen sucks and that the catching sucks, I'm happy to have a new catcher and not at all unhappy to be down one of those relievers. And if Shoppach is some kind of great influence on Harvey, even for a few August and September starts that point his career in the right direction, it may be a decent investment.

bmfc1
Aug 17 2012 02:53 PM
Re: Pedro to Beato Named Later for Kelly Shoppach

Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 18 2012 09:22 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
I'm not sure I understand the complaint from that perspective. The Mets take on salary with this deal.

I'm looking at the two deals:
Salaries of Q and Beato (minor league) + money received from Orioles=plus
Salary of Shoppach=minus.

(edited to fix mistake that was obvious to almost everyone.)

smg58
Aug 17 2012 03:14 PM
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Beato had one bad outing. Granted, it was a terrible outing in a meaningful situation, but it's not sufficient grounds to part ways. He still has some upside. Shoppach would be a decent pickup for about $750k in the offseason, and would be regardless of where he finishes this year. But the Mets will probably have to offer more than that to keep him from testing the market. And if he hits the open market, what was the point of this?

Ceetar
Aug 18 2012 10:19 AM
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smg58 wrote:
Beato had one bad outing. Granted, it was a terrible outing in a meaningful situation, but it's not sufficient grounds to part ways. He still has some upside. Shoppach would be a decent pickup for about $750k in the offseason, and would be regardless of where he finishes this year. But the Mets will probably have to offer more than that to keep him from testing the market. And if he hits the open market, what was the point of this?


Some speculate that there is more to it than we know, and deeper than the "Damn you Thole you should've blocked my wild pitch"

I'm wondering if it was more about an excuse to get rid of Beato than anything else. Although you cannot underestimate the 'catch the knuckler' thing. And it's not like you can have R.A. Dickey at the physical for the contract in the offseason.

"Okay Kelly turn and cough. good. Now squat down in a catching position. Excellent. Now catch this fluttering 80 mph baseball! Go!"

Frayed Knot
Aug 18 2012 11:09 AM
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That a guy like Acosta is so easily disposable (neither expensive nor long-term - or, for that matter, particularly good) and yet Beato still couldn't crack [u:3qndpwcr]THIS[/u:3qndpwcr] bullpen ahead of him says to me that somebody in charge didn't like him. Doesn't mean it was personal necessarily, maybe they just didn't like what or how he was throwing in Buffalo (even though the numbers were fairly mediocre) and/or didn't see any hint of improvement since he essentially started going downhill in the middle of 2011.

This still all seems rather odd to me but I think it's clear that mgmt doesn't see his departure as much of a loss.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Aug 18 2012 05:15 PM
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smg58 wrote:
Beato had one bad outing. Granted, it was a terrible outing in a meaningful situation, but it's not sufficient grounds to part ways. He still has some upside. Shoppach would be a decent pickup for about $750k in the offseason, and would be regardless of where he finishes this year. But the Mets will probably have to offer more than that to keep him from testing the market. And if he hits the open market, what was the point of this?


To be fair... he had three iffy-to-poor outings out of seven-- the walkoff wild pitch, a run allowed against the Braves, and the hammer-job he took in his last appearance. He's also looked TERRIBLE-- 14 runs, 5 HR in 13 IP over the last 20 days-- in the minors.

Edgy MD
Aug 18 2012 08:59 PM
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bmfc1 wrote:
I'm not sure I understand the complaint from that perspective. The Mets take on salary with this deal.

I'm looking at the two deals:
Salaries of Q and Beato (minor league) + money received from Nationals=plus
Salary of Shoppach=minus.

I'm sorry, but I'm not following. Where do the Nationals fit in?

G-Fafif
Aug 18 2012 09:04 PM
Re: Pedro to Beato Named Later for Kelly Shoppach

Edgy DC wrote:
Edgy DC wrote:
I'm not sure I understand the complaint from that perspective. The Mets take on salary with this deal.

I'm looking at the two deals:
Salaries of Q and Beato (minor league) + money received from Nationals=plus
Salary of Shoppach=minus.

I'm sorry, but I'm not following. Where do the Nationals fit in?


I'm thinking old Beltway habits die hard and Nationals = Orioles.

bmfc1
Aug 18 2012 09:20 PM
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Obviously I meant "Orioles". I had "Nationals" on my mind.

Edgy MD
Aug 18 2012 09:27 PM
Re: Pedro to Beato Named Later for Kelly Shoppach

Sorry, it wasn't obvious to me.

I don't see the connection between the two deals. The first was a guy making something like big league minimum-ish salary they had to move or lose in a roster pinch. The other was a deal was an unrelated deal in which the team took on salary trading a minor leaguer for a big league veteran.

Plenty to dislike in either trade, but neither profiles as a salary dump. Moving Hairston or Rauch or Byrdak (before he went down) would have been a salary dump.

Had they kept Quintanilla and moved Cedeno, that could have been a salary dump.

Ashie62
Aug 18 2012 10:02 PM
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Shoppach is 4 years removed from a 21 HR MLB Season.

Frayed Knot
Aug 27 2012 10:30 AM
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Beato gets the call up from the Sox and pitches in Sunday's game
he winds up going 2* innings, giving up 2 runs on 3 hits with a walk + 2 strikeouts ... and gets the win!!


* a 1-2-3 6th; a 1 single/CS 1-2-3 7th; but then started the 8th: Single - Single - Walk before being pulled, 2 of which later scored