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The Bands that Time Forgot
Edgy MD Aug 13 2012 10:18 PM |
In the Baseball Passings thread, I note an essay by Bill James in which he wonders which players might have made the Hall of Fame if World War II never happened. I've sometimes wondered if there's a parallel list of bands that would have made the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame if Nirvana had never happened: bands just peaking at the top of the nineties and then suddenly dropped by their labels to make room for the Root Maggots or some other abomination that the label can't make heads or tails over, but is moving units to their goofy-haired, flannel-flying fanbase.
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Chad Ochoseis Aug 14 2012 06:22 AM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
Funny. WFUV's question of the day this morning was about overlooked bands, which got me thinking about the BoDeans. And I probably haven't thought about the BoDeans in about fifteen years.
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sharpie Aug 14 2012 07:29 AM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
But that's just the way the music business is.
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seawolf17 Aug 14 2012 07:50 AM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
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As much as I would love to count both of those bands, I can't. Def Leppard is the first one that comes to mind in that particular genre. Motley Crue as well. Tesla should have been bigger, but got lumped into the hair band category.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 14 2012 08:10 AM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
By the time Nirvana came around I'd say that decent bands had been in hiding for 10 years. They get a lot of credit for sort of shaking things up and putting an end to the fake shit that everything else was buried beneath.
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Edgy MD Aug 14 2012 08:30 AM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
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Absolutely. I'm not necessarily trying to claim an injustice needs to be righted --- or an injustice any more unjust than many that have come before. I just thought it an interesting thought experiment, being that they vanguarded (an actual verb?) a bigger musical revolution than any since the Beatles. Even MTV didn't re-write the rules as much as Nirvana did. In fact, Nirvana in many ways killed (or at least diminished) MTV, and they went from being a musical resource to being for the last 20 years a more-or-less generic deliverer of teen-oriented content. What I didn't include was acts that had a nice run for 10-15 years that might have (they probably wouldn't have but never got the chance) tacked an impressive coda onto the meat of their careers (a la the B52s) had their market not dried up overnight: Billy Idol, Violent Femmes, Pat Benetar, etc.
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Edgy MD Aug 14 2012 08:38 AM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
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A handful of noiser veteran bands who could have caught the wave and used the Nirvana revolution to finally get their due packed it in at just the wrong time --- Replacements, Original Sins, Husker Du. Soul Asylum was a key exception and had their two biggest albums at the end of their careers thanks to Nirvana.
I was thinking about Freedy in this context. He and Billy Bragg might have done well to position themselves Dylan-like as enigmatic figures aloof from the vagaries of the changing marketplace --- wear dark glasses and become superstars watching loudier sexier folks cover your brilliant songs.
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Edgy MD Aug 14 2012 09:06 AM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
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Not too many pop-folk acts had any more than brief run at the top since the seventies, no matter how long they work it --- 10,000 Maniacs, Suzanne Vega, Nanci Griffith, Michael Penn, Cowboy Junkies, even the Wallflowers/Jakob Dylan. Tracy Chapman released a great followup to her self-titled breakthrough smash, but nobody cared because (I guess) folk acts don't change their sound and look fast enough. It wasn't until Chapman put out a Memphis soul album years later that she finally got another taste. And she's pretty great. Vega extended her run a little by doing a pretty bold rock album with twitchy percussion by Jerry Marotta and squeaky guitars by David Hidalgo under her somber folk voice. It was a great radio-ready sound, but then she divorced her producer and that wasn't built on.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 14 2012 10:53 AM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
Though they never quite reached the top, Indigo Girls had a nice, lengthy run in the "upper-middle."
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Edgy MD Aug 14 2012 11:10 AM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
I like to think that evolution rather than revolution could have happened.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 14 2012 11:37 AM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
I sometimes think that Live Aid is where it all what went wrong.
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Ashie62 Aug 14 2012 09:17 PM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
Dave McPhee and the Groundhogs..He taught Townshend.
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Mets Willets Point Aug 16 2012 07:32 AM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
What about Living Colour?
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TransMonk Aug 16 2012 07:43 AM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
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I thought they were the shizznit for about 15 minutes in the late 80s. They adjusted their sound to try to survive through the early 90s, but didn't quite make it.
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Edgy MD Aug 16 2012 07:47 AM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
Living Colour sort of splintered their way out of prominence, didn't they? They were loud and aggressive enough (and black enough) to still stand out after Guns 'n' Roses broke --- they were co-openers with GnR on the Rolling Stones Steel Wheels tour. They were second or third billing on the inaugural Lollapalooza tour, so they had cultural currency with the rising alternative zeitgeist revolution.
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TransMonk Aug 16 2012 07:57 AM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
Wiki says they released albums in 2003 and 2009. I never knew...might have to take a listen this weekend.
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Mets Willets Point Aug 16 2012 08:04 AM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
I was a big fan of Living Colour back in the day. I think I sense a very important poll coming up.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 16 2012 08:22 AM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
Accompanied a die-hard Living Colour fan friend to see them sometime post-millennium in a New Haven-area club, supporting one of those early-aughts efforts.
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seawolf17 Aug 16 2012 08:53 AM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
Their 2009 record is actually pretty good; don't know the earlier one.
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metirish Aug 16 2012 08:55 AM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
Blues Traveler, but I think they have a large live thing going on...
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Edgy MD Aug 16 2012 09:06 AM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
Apart form association, they weren't particularly analogous to the Stones.
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TransMonk Aug 16 2012 09:16 AM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
Speaking of black...could The Black Crowes be included in this thread?
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Edgy MD Aug 16 2012 09:18 AM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
The Crowes were ugly enough to survive grunge. They just had second album syndrome. Their problem was that the lead single from their followup was downtempo, disappointing, and the market moved on really really quick.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 16 2012 09:30 AM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
Spin Doctors were a good example of how grunge poisoned the well. Not that they sucked or didn't suck, but that grunge made the idea of a band whose singer smiled when he performed so fucking uncool, even if he was smiling because he smoked a lot of weed just before the video shoot.
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seawolf17 Aug 16 2012 09:41 AM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
Saw Spin Doctors at Jones Beach back in the day. Cracker and... Gin Blossoms(?) opened. Cracker blew everyone off the stage; they were amazing. The second act (Gin Blossoms? Soul Asylum?) were very good. Spin Doctors came out, started doing trippy noodley crap, and half the place got up and left three songs in. It's the only show I've ever left early. They were awful.
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TransMonk Aug 16 2012 09:47 AM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
Fucking Cracker...yeah! I still listen to them today. I put them in the post-grunge category, but they did have songs that made me smile.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 16 2012 09:53 AM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
Chili Peppers owe their astounding success to young bi-curious guys who were turned on by fools performing in their tight whiteys.
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TransMonk Aug 16 2012 09:58 AM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
There is now Tropical Blend Crystal Light Pure all over my work monitor. Good call.
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Edgy MD Aug 16 2012 11:34 AM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
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Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Famers. They had their junkie lowlife cred firmly in place long before grunge.
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TransMonk Aug 16 2012 11:55 AM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
Yeah, I guess there wasn't really much of any other kind of cred at the time.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 16 2012 06:35 PM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
Loved that Cracker... it's like whatshisface (Lowery?) from Camper Van Beethoven got a fuzzbox for his birthday, and was like, "Hey, what does this do?"
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Edgy MD Aug 16 2012 07:10 PM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
I just recently found out that guys from two of my favorite lost circa-1990 bands --- Mark Linkous of Dancing Hoods and Bob Rupe of The Silos --- ended up in Sparklehorse for the nineties. Sprakehorse is a band I know nuttin' about, but now I'm going to have to do some digging.
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Swan Swan H Aug 16 2012 07:14 PM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
I saw Sparklehorse open for R.E.M., but that's all I got.
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Edgy MD Aug 17 2012 06:58 AM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
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And Linkous ended up shooting himself in the chest. Damn you, nineties!
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 17 2012 01:41 PM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
I could still give a listen to either of the first two Sparklehorse efforts.
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Mets Willets Point Aug 17 2012 02:38 PM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparklehorse.
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Ashie62 Aug 21 2012 09:41 PM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
Blotto! "I wanna be your lifeguard.
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Edgy MD Aug 22 2012 06:23 AM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
While Blotto is indeed a band that time forgot, they were pretty much done by 1984.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2012 06:27 AM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
HINT: Read the first post and/or others' posts before posting yourself. Reading is instructive!
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Mets Willets Point Aug 28 2012 06:25 PM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
I'm wondering if another group of victims would be the bands of the Madchester scene - The Stone Roses, The Happy Mondays, Charlatans, Inspiral Carpets, James, et al. They were the big thing among the alternative/college rock set in the two years prior to "Smells Like Teen Spirit" which coincided with my last two years of high school. Of course, they were pretty big in the UK but maybe worldwide success was on the horizon before Manchester was cold-cocked by Seattle. Or maybe it just collapsed all on its own.
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seawolf17 Aug 28 2012 07:06 PM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
[youtube:1lmym6ju]H6AxR81kjIo[/youtube:1lmym6ju]
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Mets Willets Point Aug 28 2012 07:25 PM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
Also not from Manchester, but stylistically similar, I love this track by The Farm.
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seawolf17 Aug 28 2012 07:36 PM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
Butch Walker segued James's "Laid" -- easily their best-known tune -- into one of his own tunes, "Taste of Red," a few tours ago. Mp3 among the six free tracks here:
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Frayed Knot Aug 28 2012 08:18 PM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
Time that bands forgot
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Swan Swan H Sep 12 2012 08:50 AM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
Edgy DC, inspiring bloggers everywhere:
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Edgy MD Sep 12 2012 08:55 AM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
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I'd visit that Hall of Fame.
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soupcan Sep 12 2012 09:14 AM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
Put me down as a Cracker fan as well.
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Mets Willets Point Sep 12 2012 10:08 AM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
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Me too. I nominate "Euro-Trash Girl" for the best hidden bonus track of all the hidden bonus tracks from the 1990s hidden bonus track fad.
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seawolf17 Sep 12 2012 10:59 AM Re: The Bands that Time Forgot |
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Seconded.
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