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Stories on Prog Rock - Long Read
metirish Aug 16 2012 08:26 AM |
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David Weigel writing on Slate has presented some really great reading on the history and demise of prog rock, here is part 1.
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metirish Aug 16 2012 08:28 AM Re: Stories on Prog Rock - Long Read |
Part 2
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metirish Aug 16 2012 08:42 AM Re: Stories on Prog Rock - Long Read |
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Vic Sage Aug 16 2012 09:39 AM Re: Stories on Prog Rock - Long Read |
Thanks for this series. I still love this music... ELP, Gabriel's GENESIS, KING CRIMSON, YES, TULL, FLOYD, RENAISSANCE, MOODY BLUES...
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sharpie Aug 16 2012 10:07 AM Re: Stories on Prog Rock - Long Read |
I'm with Vic. I still love some of that music but I think everyone loves what they loved as teenagers.
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sharpie Aug 16 2012 10:14 AM Re: Stories on Prog Rock - Long Read |
Part 4
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Vic Sage Aug 16 2012 10:34 AM Re: Stories on Prog Rock - Long Read |
i think you undersell the Belew version of CRIMSON. I was at Stony Brook during that period, and they played there on the DISCIPLINE tour, with a lineup of guitarists Belew and Robert Fripp, backed by the amazing bassist Tony Levin (playing that "Chapman Stick" bass i saw him play behind Peter Gabriel) and legendary "YES" drummer Bill Bruford. It combined Fripp and Bruford's impulses with Belew's tighter, new wavy influence. The followup albums, BEAT and THREE OF A PERFECT PAIR, weren't nearly as good, nor was any of it as good as CRIMSON at its peak, but DISCIPLINE still holds up and is a terrific album.
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sharpie Aug 16 2012 11:14 AM Re: Stories on Prog Rock - Long Read |
I also saw that Adrien Belew band (3 times actually, the "Larks Tongues/Starless/Red" band twice) and they were fine but I was irked that they never played anything from the earlier catalog. Yes, "Discipline" isn't a bad album but it sounded to me like lesser Talking Heads.
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RealityChuck Aug 16 2012 12:51 PM Re: Stories on Prog Rock - Long Read |
I was a big fan of prog rock (still am) and this is a great series. The issue was that some in the genre had become big and bombastic (not all -- I tended toward the Canterbury scene bands like Soft Machine at that point), and punk came along to sneer at that. But the idea of combining rock with classical was never fully explored.
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seawolf17 Aug 16 2012 12:58 PM Re: Stories on Prog Rock - Long Read |
As hard as I've tried, I can't get into the older prog. Crimson, Rush, Yes, etc. do nothing for me. Newer prog, though? Dream Theater is one of my favorite bands of all time.
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Fman99 Aug 17 2012 05:07 AM Re: Stories on Prog Rock - Long Read |
I enjoy some of it (songs like "Close to the Edge" and "Awaken" by Yes, for example, and a good portion of Rush's and Jethro Tull's catalogs), but the longer, more abstract stuff is just too arrhythmic/a melodic for me.
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RealityChuck Aug 17 2012 06:57 AM Re: Stories on Prog Rock - Long Read |
Other then their first album, King Crimson was overrated. Rush really wasn't progressive. Yes was at their best in their early work; as the latest installment of the series pointed out, their Tales of Topographic Oceans was the death knell of the genre.
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Vic Sage Aug 17 2012 07:58 AM Re: Stories on Prog Rock - Long Read |
wow, chuck, we've found something to agree on!
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Frayed Knot Aug 17 2012 08:01 AM Re: Stories on Prog Rock - Long Read |
Who was the artist that did all the YES album art that graced the dorm rooms of stoners everywhere?
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Vic Sage Aug 17 2012 08:07 AM Re: Stories on Prog Rock - Long Read |
Roger Dean.
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Frayed Knot Aug 17 2012 08:14 AM Re: Stories on Prog Rock - Long Read |
That's the guy, his stuff seemed everywhere for a while.
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sharpie Aug 17 2012 08:48 AM Re: Stories on Prog Rock - Long Read |
Part 5:
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Vic Sage Aug 17 2012 09:48 AM Re: Stories on Prog Rock - Long Read |
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you're entitled of course, but i think that's just silly. Rock n Roll was an American form. Did that mean you dismissed the British Invasion rock bands of the 60s that were so influenced by 50s American rock n roll because "what do those Brits know? Its an American form!" I doubt it. Progressive Rock isn't monolithic. While i too have no interest in Rush, its not because they're American (actually they're Canadian; but i get the point that they're non-British). It's because Geddy Lee sounds like he's been sucking helium since age 12, and the band leans more to metal than i like. Early KANSAS, on the other hand, is more to my taste. I also thought Todd Rundgren did some interesting stuff with UTOPIA, who i saw open for Tull on the "stormwatch" tour at MSG in the early 80s. I'll even admit to an affection for STYX, probably disproportionate to their quality. But when i think of Progressive Rock, i'm talking about bands that are concerned with technical virtuosity, artistic ambition (often incorporating disparate musical forms), grandiosity of spirit and themes, and a general disinterest in producing 3-minute pop songs (though not necessarily excluding them from their repetoire entirely). Their music may be based on European orchestral traditions, but don't HAVE to be, sometimes preferring Jazz or folk traditions instead of (or in addition to) classical elements. Mostly it is a style in reaction to the minimally interesting commercial radio-based pop songs of the day, with little ambition or technique, 3-minutes songs about girls and hot rods with 3 chords as disposable as chewing gum. Wherever the band comes from.
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Edgy MD Aug 17 2012 09:54 AM Re: Stories on Prog Rock - Long Read |
You're all wrong. Progressive rock is a Greek form.
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Mets – Willets Point Aug 17 2012 09:59 AM Re: Stories on Prog Rock - Long Read |
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"Decent singing, eh?"
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Vic Sage Aug 17 2012 10:00 AM Re: Stories on Prog Rock - Long Read |
i love Vangelis's work... well, SOME of Vangelis's work.
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Vic Sage Aug 17 2012 10:03 AM Re: Stories on Prog Rock - Long Read |
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take off, ya hoser!
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sharpie Aug 17 2012 10:14 AM Re: Stories on Prog Rock - Long Read |
I'll give you Todd Rundgren's Utopia.
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Edgy MD Aug 17 2012 10:21 AM Re: Stories on Prog Rock - Long Read |
Or maybe it's a Welsh form.
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RealityChuck Aug 17 2012 08:43 PM Re: Stories on Prog Rock - Long Read |
Jeff Wayne's Musical Version of War of the Worlds may have had the clunkiest title in the history of rock, but it's not only good music, but it's also the most faithful adaptation of the book in any media. Wayne wrote the music and got together an all-star band including Justin Hayward of the Moody Blues, Phil Lynott of Thin Lizzy, David Essex ("Rock On"), and sessions specialists Chris Spedding and Herbie Flowers. The narration was by Richard Burton (who did not indulge his penchant for overacting).
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 18 2012 09:46 PM Re: Stories on Prog Rock - Long Read |
There's no way I'm gonna make it through a five-part series of lengthy articles on prog-rock (how ironic is that?) but today I listened to 2 early ELO albums, Eldorado and Face the Music. I think stylistically they were both proggy, though the latter engaged in maybe a bit too much melody to qualify (Evil Woman and Strange Magic were hits). Prog or not?
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sharpie Aug 19 2012 07:55 AM Re: Stories on Prog Rock - Long Read |
I remember ads for the first ELO album, "No Answer", as being for those who loved "I am the Walrus" or "Strawberry Fields Forever."
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The Second Spitter Aug 19 2012 04:31 PM Re: Stories on Prog Rock - Long Read |
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"I Can't Get It Out of My Head" was complicit in murdering my career as a lawyer and for that I will always be grateful to ELO. I wouldn't hesitate in classifying them as prog, but that's just me.
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Vic Sage Aug 20 2012 08:38 AM Re: Stories on Prog Rock - Long Read Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 20 2012 09:33 AM |
a Brit rock band from the early 70s, basing some of its material on classical elements, they were quintessential Prog Rock. The problem wasn't that they weren't prog; the problem was they sucked. It was not just the lack of virtuosity. Jeff Lynne used a lot of orchestral strings and woodwinds to give his sound a baroque sound, greatly influenced by SGT PEPPER, but the songs and the records were never really GRAND, in terms of their scope, ambition, themes, running time, anything. They were banal, practically elevator Muzak. That didn't make them NOT prog. it made them BAD prog.
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Vic Sage Aug 20 2012 08:42 AM Re: Stories on Prog Rock - Long Read |
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i think that's a back hand slap at prog there, jonny. Lots of it was melodic. The problem with ELO wasn't that it was melodic, it was that much of it (especially after Eldorado) was more interested in creating radio-friendly pop songs than following their muse. I don't think they knew what their muse looked like... they could have been stuck in an elevator with their muse and not recognized her.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 20 2012 09:29 AM Re: Stories on Prog Rock - Long Read |
I don't feel nearly as strongly against prog as you do ELO, but yeah, I was having a larff.
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Vic Sage Aug 20 2012 09:34 AM Re: Stories on Prog Rock - Long Read |
a more damning comment on contemporary indie pop i cannot imagine.
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Vic Sage Aug 21 2012 10:20 AM Re: Stories on Prog Rock - Long Read |
i was watching an episode of ALPHAS, and a girl who had no long term memory was told about the value of memories by her shrink. He said how a favorite song, for example, triggered a series of related memories ... when he first heard it, his feelings about it, who he was with, etc. Later, as the girl attempts to build some memories, she is seen putting a vinyl on a turntable, putting on headphones and listening to what, presumably is her favorite song.
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Mets – Willets Point Aug 23 2012 11:20 AM Re: Stories on Prog Rock - Long Read |
So if you don't have time or patience to read the long series of articles on prog rock you may prefer to rock out to a breezy two-part story on "1977: The Year Punk Broke" from Sound Opinions. Part 1: UK and Part 2: USA.
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