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IGT 8/19/12 -- Mets @ Washington

Frayed Knot Aug 19 2012 10:16 AM

Trying to win an actual series. Mets are 4-6 in condom games this year. Coming off scoring a total of six runs against their 4th & 5th starters, today we get Gio Gonzalez [15-6; 3.29; 1.14] but, hey, at least we're countering with Jeremy Hefner. Tune in at 1:35 EDT (if your TV provider lets you) Our lineup vs the lefty-thrower is: Torres - CF Turner - 2B Wright - 3B Hairston - RF Davis - 1B Cedeno - SS Bay - LF Shoppach - C Hefner - P

bmfc1 Aug 19 2012 10:18 AM Re: IGT 8/19/12 -- Mets @ Washington

Cedeno at #6 doesn't speak well for the lineup... or for Bay. Them: 1. Jayson Werth (R) RF 2. Bryce Harper (L) CF 3. Ryan Zimmerman (R) 3B 4. Adam LaRoche (L) 1B 5. Michael Morse (R) LF 6. Ian Desmond (R) SS 7. Danny Espinosa (S) 2B 8. Kurt Suzuki (R) C 9. Gio Gonzalez (R) P

Ceetar Aug 19 2012 10:35 AM Re: IGT 8/19/12 -- Mets @ Washington

Of Mets with at least 100 AB, Cedeno is 4th in OPS. .798. He's actually having a really good year.

Kong76 Aug 19 2012 10:37 AM Re: IGT 8/19/12 -- Mets @ Washington

So we get NFL network now, but can't watch baseball on a lazy August Sunday afternoon. Thanks, you suck. (and would it be that hard to just show game on SNY as well as PIX or whatever they call themselves these days?)

bmfc1 Aug 19 2012 10:37 AM Re: IGT 8/19/12 -- Mets @ Washington

Ceetar wrote: Of Mets with at least 100 AB, Cedeno is 4th in OPS. .798. He's actually having a really good year. But 6th? He'll take a walk and Bay will hit into a DP. Don't you want some pop there? You could put him 2d but that means Turner at 6 so it's not an improvement.

Ceetar Aug 19 2012 11:00 AM Re: IGT 8/19/12 -- Mets @ Washington

bmfc1 wrote: Ceetar wrote: Of Mets with at least 100 AB, Cedeno is 4th in OPS. .798. He's actually having a really good year. But 6th? He'll take a walk and Bay will hit into a DP. Don't you want some pop there? You could put him 2d but that means Turner at 6 so it's not an improvement. well, do you want Bay in front of him? second's probably better since Turner doesn't do so well against lefties. put Turner 7th.

bmfc1 Aug 19 2012 11:01 AM Re: IGT 8/19/12 -- Mets @ Washington

I'd prefer a different LF and 2B. It probably doesn't matter considering the caliber of the players.

G-Fafif Aug 19 2012 11:11 AM Re: IGT 8/19/12 -- Mets @ Washington

Rain in our nation's capital, Cablevision won't be able to not show game starting on time.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 19 2012 12:54 PM Re: IGT 8/19/12 -- Mets @ Washington

Just not a channel 11 rain delay without Felix and Oscar.

Gwreck Aug 19 2012 01:27 PM Re: IGT 8/19/12 -- Mets @ Washington

Frayed Knot wrote: condom games I thought it was determined earlier in the year that we always tend to lose when this term is used.

bmfc1 Aug 19 2012 02:39 PM Re: IGT 8/19/12 -- Mets @ Washington

I think it was determined that the Mets lose when Hefner starts. What a nothing pitcher he is.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 19 2012 02:55 PM Re: IGT 8/19/12 -- Mets @ Washington

That may be a LITTLE harsh. He's had something like 2 bad starts out of 6; the others have ranged from "good" to "technically a quality start." OE: And Harper and Zimmerman rebut as I type this.

bmfc1 Aug 19 2012 03:00 PM Re: IGT 8/19/12 -- Mets @ Washington

LWFS--perhaps, but I see him as useless. He should go work for Chik-Fil-A and leave us alone. I'm dreading hearing his name as a rotation candidate next spring.

Frayed Knot Aug 19 2012 03:02 PM Re: IGT 8/19/12 -- Mets @ Washington

Gwreck wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: condom games I thought it was determined earlier in the year that we always tend to lose when this term is used. Yeah, we also determined that it was the cause, right after lousy pitching, lousy hitting, and lousy fielding were all eliminated as factors.

Swan Swan H Aug 19 2012 03:05 PM Re: IGT 8/19/12 -- Mets @ Washington

OK, so it's one of four factors. We're working with a pretty slim margin of error here. Can't take any chances.

Frayed Knot Aug 19 2012 03:10 PM Re: IGT 8/19/12 -- Mets @ Washington Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 19 2012 03:15 PM

Strike outs and pop outs with runners on 3rd and <2 outs in front of the pitcher - which in turn puts more of a premium on the need for the 2-outs hits that have kept us totally out of last place - was also eliminated as a cause in favor of words used on a website.

bmfc1 Aug 19 2012 03:12 PM Re: IGT 8/19/12 -- Mets @ Washington

Runner on 3B, no one out--the Nationals had the Mets just where they wanted them.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 19 2012 03:13 PM Re: IGT 8/19/12 -- Mets @ Washington

Leadoff triple? Guaranteed runs? NOPE. This, friends, is SHaMball.

G-Fafif Aug 19 2012 03:33 PM Re: IGT 8/19/12 -- Mets @ Washington

Harper not so slumpy. Hefner not so...anything.

Frayed Knot Aug 19 2012 03:34 PM Re: IGT 8/19/12 -- Mets @ Washington

Six hits and a walk equals ... no runs. The only good news is that they made Gio Gonzalez work hard enough to where it took him 90 pitches to navigate these five innings - so maybe be get an inning or two against their weaker pen before hitting their end-game guys. Of course if we're going to be out-XBH'd at about a 10/1 ratio none of this will matter.

Frayed Knot Aug 19 2012 03:41 PM Re: IGT 8/19/12 -- Mets @ Washington

bmfc1 wrote: But 6th? He'll take a walk and Bay will hit into a DP. Don't you want some pop there? You could put him 2d but that means Turner at 6 so it's not an improvement. Pop from whom? The Mets have a total of nine HRs in August spread among eight different players. Ike (2) is the only guy with more than one.

bmfc1 Aug 19 2012 03:43 PM Re: IGT 8/19/12 -- Mets @ Washington

Valid point FK. It shows how weak the lineup is and how badly they need Bay to do what he's being paid to do.

Frayed Knot Aug 19 2012 03:50 PM Re: IGT 8/19/12 -- Mets @ Washington

The larger point being that arguments about the specific order of the lineup these days brings to mind the analogy about rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. We need a change of crew for the boat, not a new decorator.

bmfc1 Aug 19 2012 04:08 PM Re: IGT 8/19/12 -- Mets @ Washington

Frayed Knot wrote: We need a change of crew for the boat.... Hear Hear!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 19 2012 04:10 PM Re: IGT 8/19/12 -- Mets @ Washington

Give 'em hell, Hairy.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 19 2012 04:13 PM Re: IGT 8/19/12 -- Mets @ Washington

fffffuuuuck

bmfc1 Aug 19 2012 04:26 PM Re: IGT 8/19/12 -- Mets @ Washington

Despite that DP, doesn't SF want Hairston to replace Cabrera? Perhaps SF only offered an trifle which insulted Sandy who would rather lose a player for nothing than receive minimal compensation.

bmfc1 Aug 19 2012 04:41 PM Re: IGT 8/19/12 -- Mets @ Washington

Murphy flips his bat and gets tossed by the ump that made a lousy call. TC weakly defends his player by politely questioning the ump instead of showing any passion.

Frayed Knot Aug 19 2012 05:17 PM Re: IGT 8/19/12 -- Mets @ Washington

And, in the end, Cedeno had the majority of the Mets' extra-base hits. Maybe he should hit clean-up?

bmfc1 Aug 19 2012 05:20 PM Re: IGT 8/19/12 -- Mets @ Washington

FK--can't hurt.