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Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Frayed Knot Sep 03 2012 07:45 AM

Hopefully the remnants of hurricane Isaac are gone so we can get this game in and have the Cards suffer the wrath of hurricane Isaac Davis instead. It's the first game of three for the Mets who are coming off having won three straight series [2 of 3 v Houston; 2 of 3 v Philly; sweep of Miami] since that disaster of a four-game sweep against Colorado - and my IGTs are on a roll here. 2:15 EDT - McHugh vs Kelly (sounds like a prize fight from about 70 years ago) - McHugh had a meh and shortened [4.2 IP] start for Buffalo since his rather stunning ML debut 11 days ago against the Rox [7 IP, 0 Runs, 2 Hits, 9 Ks]. He figures to have a tougher time against the harder hitting Cardinals. - Joseph William Kelly is also a rookie: 6' 1"/185; R/R; 24 y/o, a 3rd round pick by the Cards out of UC-Riverside in 2009, will be making his 16th appearance and 14th start in the big leagues. 4-6; 3.61 ERA; 1.47 WHiP -- he's coming off a rough outing vs the Pirates where he got hit for 5 earned on 8 hits and 3 walks in 5 innings and took the loss. Has never faced the Mets and may not even be able to spell Mets for all we know. Also, every time I hear the name 'Kelly' I hear it in the late actor Robert Shaw's voice, or rather in the Irish brogue that Shaw used in 'The Sting' for his character of Doyle Lonnegan as Lonnegan spoke to the Robert Redford character that was posing as a guy named Kelly. "Where ya from Kelly?"

Ceetar Sep 03 2012 12:20 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Murphy breaks up the no-hitter with 1 out in the first.

Ceetar Sep 03 2012 12:27 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

and the United State's first supreme court justice does the same in the bottom of the first with a double Duda'd into a triple .

Swan Swan H Sep 03 2012 12:31 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Looked more like an out Duda'd into a triple.

Ceetar Sep 03 2012 12:47 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Swan Swan H wrote: Looked more like an out Duda'd into a triple. Well, a faster guy probably gets there. But if the idea is for Duda to be a slow but capable outfielder, he's gotta learn when his legs won't get him there. He's gotta learn to play the position, not learn to be faster.

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 01:51 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Can we talk about Strasberg some more? Come on! Middle of the sixth, Mets down 4-0.

Zvon Sep 03 2012 01:59 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Ceetar wrote: Swan Swan H wrote: Looked more like an out Duda'd into a triple. Well, a faster guy probably gets there. But if the idea is for Duda to be a slow but capable outfielder, he's gotta learn when his legs won't get him there. He's gotta learn to play the position, not learn to be faster. Spot on. Bay probably would have had that. Duda had no chance. He should have gone on an angle back to the corner instead of that zippity duda thing he did there.

Zvon Sep 03 2012 02:00 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

SCORE SOME RUNS YOU BUMS!

Zvon Sep 03 2012 02:09 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

AAAAAAAAAAAAAchoooooooo! Another blow from Ho-Jo's nose! Bless you.

themetfairy Sep 03 2012 02:11 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

ShopVac gets us back into the game.

Zvon Sep 03 2012 02:12 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Triboom! from Torres. 2 runs are nice but not enough. MORE RUNS YOU BUMS!

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 02:16 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Very handsome rally. Two innings to get two more back. Big stuff here.

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 02:24 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Six straight scoreless --- if brief --- appearances from Carson.

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 02:32 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

And it won't be seven. BoooOOOooo!

Frayed Knot Sep 03 2012 02:33 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Not a scoreless outing for Carson anymore. And yet another poor OF throw negates the possibility of an out.

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 02:39 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Oh, yeah, I certainly wasn't counting that outing. Just rooting. In futility, at that moment. But tying run on deck at the top of the order. Grind it out, Mets.

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 02:39 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

[bigpurple:2cdasa4g]Fuck yeah Murphy![/bigpurple:2cdasa4g] Two innings to get at least one more. COME ON, SHaMS!

Frayed Knot Sep 03 2012 02:40 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Now t'would be nice if Dabid chooses this AB to NOT ground out to SS the way he's seemingly done for most of his last 3 dozen ABs

Zvon Sep 03 2012 02:41 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

MurphBOOM! If we'd stop giving runs back it'd be tied.

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 02:41 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Frayed Knot wrote: Now t'would be nice if Dabid chooses this AB to NOT ground out to SS the way he's seemingly done for most of his last 3 dozen ABs Popout. Your humblest of wishes fulfilled.

Frayed Knot Sep 03 2012 02:44 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

We're not quite in Thole territory where I consider hard ground-outs to be a sign of improvement ... but it's getting there.

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 02:46 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Davis walks. Can't really pinch-run for him with Cedeņo, because he might come up in the ninth, I guess.

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 02:50 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Gets to second on that hit, but he's riding the local.

Zvon Sep 03 2012 02:51 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 02:52 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Let's go, Mets! Let's go, Mets! Let's go, Mets!

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 02:55 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Just a hit, Kelly.

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 02:58 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Oh, froof. Anybuttz, Torres, Thole or Cedeņo, and Tejada in the ninth.

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 03:06 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Those pinch-hitters look to have improved our outfield defense as well. One out, runner on second after a walk and a sacreefice. Lefty Descalso facing Edgin.

Frayed Knot Sep 03 2012 03:10 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

It's outings like today which pretty much absolve Terry of the charge of not throwing away his reliever roles and instead leaning on Parnell as his go-to guy in tough spots. Bobby's as likely to have off days as any of the other culprits.

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 03:10 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

A 3-2 count and whoosh! Strikeout. Do you go after Robinson the righty or Jay, who's better but lefthanded?

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 03:11 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Edgin' escapin'. Furry nice. Let's go, Torres!

themetfairy Sep 03 2012 03:12 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Nice work by Edgin!

Frayed Knot Sep 03 2012 03:13 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 03 2012 03:14 PM

Another 3-hour+ Cardinal game but this time we can't even blame it on LaRussa

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 03:14 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Ball one...

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 03:14 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Called strike. One and one.

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 03:14 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Taken low. Two and one.

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 03:15 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Popped foul. Two-two count.

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 03:15 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Chopped foul. Count holds.

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 03:16 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Shut up about the shadows, Howie. Fouled back. Count remains.

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 03:16 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Check swing. Slider in the dirt. Ball three.

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 03:17 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

[bigpurple:3i2me1xi]Double into right!![/bigpurple:3i2me1xi]

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 03:17 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Bunty time?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 03 2012 03:18 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 03 2012 03:18 PM

Not if I've got a vote. Looking at the replay, and MANALIVEWUZZATCLOSE.

Zvon Sep 03 2012 03:18 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

WHEW. You are damn lucky Torres. If you were out I would have slapped you upside the unbruised side of your head.

Zvon Sep 03 2012 03:18 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 03:18 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

OH, motherfucker! Appeal play eliminates Torres!!

themetfairy Sep 03 2012 03:19 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Holy shit....

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 03:19 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Cedeņo, it's you on the spot. Fouled back. Oh and one.

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 03:20 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Oh and two, and strike three. Booohooo!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 03 2012 03:20 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

The replay is inconclusive, and though the ump is staring right at Torres, he was kind of "shaded" by the bag itself. That's a REALLY ballsy call to make there.

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 03:21 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Let's hope Motte is out of gas. One and one on Tejada

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 03:21 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Low and away. Two away.

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 03:22 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Swing and a miss. Two and two.

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 03:22 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Fastball high. Full count. Runners would be in motion, but they don't exist.

Zvon Sep 03 2012 03:23 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 03 2012 03:24 PM

Thats fucked up. The replay looks inconclusive, but it looked like he heeled the base. Damn umps. That's the game right there.

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 03:23 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Ball four![/bigpurple] (Do it again, Murph.)

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 03:23 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Breaking ball. Popped foul.

Zvon Sep 03 2012 03:24 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Edgy DC wrote: Runners would be in motion, but they don't exist. Har

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 03 2012 03:24 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

These ARE the best fans in baseball-- they can judge pitches from the stands!

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 03:24 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Inside. Evened at one.

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 03:25 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Let's go, Daniel-san!

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 03:25 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Fouled back. Down to the last strike again. Motte over 30 pitches. One and two.

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 03:26 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Flies out to right. Grabacafk. Live blogging sucks.

Zvon Sep 03 2012 03:26 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: That's a REALLY ballsy call to make there. Way too ballsy for a young ump. But he called it like he saw it. What can ya do? We was ripped.

themetfairy Sep 03 2012 03:27 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Sure, NOW Terry argues the call vociferously....

Frayed Knot Sep 03 2012 03:30 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

It's not that you can't make that call, or that a rookie ump can't make that call, it's that if you are going to make that call in that spot that you have to be pretty damn sure that you're getting it right - and with Torres's foot on the back-side of the base (from the ump's POV) that looked a bit too iffy for my tastes.

Fman99 Sep 03 2012 03:31 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Ridiculous call by the umpire. Mets taking it in the crudites.

Zvon Sep 03 2012 03:42 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Frayed Knot wrote: It's not that you can't make that call, or that a rookie ump can't make that call, it's that if you are going to make that call in that spot that you have to be pretty damn sure that you're getting it right - and with Torres's foot on the back-side of the base (from the ump's POV) that looked a bit too iffy for my tastes. I totally agree.

G-Fafif Sep 03 2012 04:10 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: These ARE the best fans in baseball-- they can judge pitches from the stands! BOfuckingC.

G-Fafif Sep 03 2012 04:11 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Been a while since I ran any bases but who touches first with his left foot? Looks like he touched it, but too much shadow of doubt cast, apparently. Not close enough to call Torres out, but...ah, fuck it.

Met Hunter Sep 03 2012 05:07 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Umps overthink these things. Unless you know for sure Torres missed first you can't make that call. Judging by the replay there is no way he knew for sure. Just sucks when it goes against you.

Frayed Knot Sep 03 2012 05:31 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

G-Fafif wrote: Been a while since I ran any bases but who touches first with his left foot? I remember reading, or being told - I forget now, that the best way to run the bases was to hit each with your inside (left) foot. It seems, on the surface anyway, to be counter-intuitive but the claim is that that method best allows you to "cut" the bases (run a tighter circle) and therefore get to the next one quicker. Not that I'm claiming that's what Torres was doing there; he was clearly looking at the RF and decided to go when he saw that tiny mis-step as the fielder tried to change his momentum. Problem was that that long look took his sight off of his feet and he stutter-stepped his way to a missed (or not) bag.

Fman99 Sep 03 2012 06:07 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

I have been dumbfounded at just how many outs Torres, and the Mets as a team, have run into on the basepaths this year. It's ridiculous is what it is.

Ceetar Sep 03 2012 06:18 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Frayed Knot wrote: G-Fafif wrote: Been a while since I ran any bases but who touches first with his left foot? I remember reading, or being told - I forget now, that the best way to run the bases was to hit each with your inside (left) foot. It seems, on the surface anyway, to be counter-intuitive but the claim is that that method best allows you to "cut" the bases (run a tighter circle) and therefore get to the next one quicker. Not that I'm claiming that's what Torres was doing there; he was clearly looking at the RF and decided to go when he saw that tiny mis-step as the fielder tried to change his momentum. Problem was that that long look took his sight off of his feet and he stutter-stepped his way to a missed (or not) bag. to me it looked like he stutter-stepped in order to step on the base in that manner. He probably meant to hit more than just the tiny corner of it, but that's irrelevant to the fact that he did step on the bag and did nothing wrong.

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 07:24 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Having the short-term memory of a goldfish myself, I'd hate to point to ADD, but what sucky way to suck up a game. I was primed to sweep these Birdies.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 03 2012 08:49 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

That sounds terrible. I'm glad I missed this one.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 03 2012 08:54 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Swan Swan H wrote: Looked more like an out Duda'd into a triple. I just saw the play and I'd agree. As I saw it, Duda, plodding as he was as if on a chain gang, wouldn't of stopped that ball from going to the wall no matter what angle he took. He's a slow and dreadful outfielder.

G-Fafif Sep 03 2012 09:00 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Been a while since I ran any bases but who touches first with his left foot? I remember reading, or being told - I forget now, that the best way to run the bases was to hit each with your inside (left) foot. It seems, on the surface anyway, to be counter-intuitive but the claim is that that method best allows you to "cut" the bases (run a tighter circle) and therefore get to the next one quicker. Not that I'm claiming that's what Torres was doing there; he was clearly looking at the RF and decided to go when he saw that tiny mis-step as the fielder tried to change his momentum. Problem was that that long look took his sight off of his feet and he stutter-stepped his way to a missed (or not) bag. Counterintuitive gets the square -- or the bag, in this case. [W]hen you're learning to hit the inside of the bag with your left foot it can seem awkward, but it is correct. As we approach each base, at about 10 feet out we have to make a small arc so that we are approaching the bag at an angle instead of straight on. The reason we round it with our left foot is that we lean to the left while the right foot does the crossover step to start toward the next base. It's all in the physics: when the foot strikes the bag it starts to slow us down, but if we lean to the left we are hitting the base, crossing our right foot over, and driving through the bag with our arms. The centrifugal force will keep the momentum we have and not cause us to break stride. If we hit a base with our right foot, we lose some of the momentum built up running to the bag. It's really key that the runner creates a little bit of an angle when approaching the bag and tries to run hard, not slowing down. It's one of the small intricacies of baserunning that some players never really learn. It's not the worst thing to do incorrectly, but given a choice it's easy to do it right.

Frayed Knot Sep 03 2012 09:03 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

The only kicker is that you can't do that lean and left foot thing in softball leagues where there are un-anchored bases, lest ye fall on your head.

Edgy MD Sep 04 2012 07:36 AM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

And, from when we discussed this issue back in the day, Ty Cobb cutting third using his right foot.

Frayed Knot Sep 04 2012 08:59 AM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Ummm, that's his left.

Swan Swan H Sep 04 2012 09:06 AM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Frayed Knot wrote: Ummm, that's his left. He used his left foot to touch third, and his right to spike northerners.

Edgy MD Sep 04 2012 09:09 AM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Frayed Knot wrote: Ummm, that's his left. I meant correct foot. It was a pun, you fool! Suckered by my pedant bait.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 04 2012 09:10 AM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Edgy DC wrote: And, from when we discussed this issue back in the day, Ty Cobb cutting third using his right foot. You have to wonder if Ty Cobb hated this picture, eyes closed, looking plenty graceful but a bit fruity too, becoming one of the images he'll forever be associated with.

Edgy MD Sep 04 2012 09:10 AM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

Swan Swan H wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: Ummm, that's his left. He used his left foot to touch third, and his right to spike northerners.

Swan Swan H Sep 04 2012 09:15 AM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

That's some Spalding Guide spiking technique right there.

G-Fafif Sep 04 2012 12:24 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

"I'm sorry, I know it's the not the PC thing to say, with the la-de-da, spot of tea, country club baseball we see today, but that's how you come into home, Gary. That's how I learned it from Lou Brock, except without the angry racism."

Swan Swan H Sep 04 2012 12:27 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

"Now I'm taking my pastel markers, my hair dye and Tootsie Pops and heading off to my house in Sag Harbor."

Frayed Knot Sep 04 2012 01:31 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

"Now I'm taking my pastel markers, my hair dye and Tootsie Pops and heading off to my summer house in Sag Harbor." Fixed it for you.

G-Fafif Sep 04 2012 04:33 PM Re: Labor Day IGT - Mets @ St Louis

True, Keith is a citizen of Jupiter most of the time. Also, he has a place in South Florida.