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Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

Edgy MD Aug 27 2012 07:48 AM

The Partridge Family's "I Can Feel Your Heartbeat," the sexiest grooviest song every presented as sung by a teenage boy with his mother on background vocals, was written in part by Mike Appel, legendary Springsteen manager. [youtube:1fl6gbdn]S3fPtMuBtMs[/youtube:1fl6gbdn]

cooby Aug 27 2012 09:06 AM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

Tracy looks pretty ferocious there.

Edgy MD Aug 27 2012 09:30 AM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

"Additional percussion" doesn't read like much on the album credits, but Tracy brings it on the funk tracks.

Frayed Knot Aug 27 2012 10:16 AM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

Of course whenever a producer/manager type gets co-writing credit on a song you have to wonder about whether he actually had anything to do with the writing or simply assigned himself credit so as to take a larger slice of the pie.

Edgy MD Aug 27 2012 10:46 AM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

Sure, so I checked his Wikibio and it includes details of him being a member in a string of groups and writing through the sixties.

Swan Swan H Aug 27 2012 02:54 PM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

Max Weinberg was not the original drummer for the E Street Band. That was a gent named Vini Lopez, who played on Greetings from Asbury Park, N.J. and The Wild, the Innocent and the E Street Shuffle. I am a middling Bruce fan and no sort of historian of his career, but I did just read a 293-page article (well, it seemed that long) in the New Yorker on Bruce and found this out. Is this common knowledge to casual fans?

Mets – Willets Point Aug 27 2012 04:49 PM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

One of the members of Hootie and the Blowfish is African-American. This entirely changes my understanding of Hootie and the Blowfish. And of black people.

Frayed Knot Aug 27 2012 05:30 PM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

Max Weinberg was not the original drummer for the E Street Band. That was a gent named Vini Lopez, who played on Greetings from Asbury Park, N.J. and The Wild, the Innocent and the E Street Shuffle. I am a middling Bruce fan and no sort of historian of his career, but I did just read a 293-page article (well, it seemed that long) in the New Yorker on Bruce and found this out. Is this common knowledge to casual fans? Yes, that is/was a well-known fact - especially since, even though all Bruce albums (except Live & compilation type discs) were always credited just to Bruce Springsteen and not to the 'East Street Band', the band was pictured on the back (or inside, I forget) cover of the 'Greetings' album. That was pre-Max and also pre-several of the other now well-established members: Roy, Nils, and even Little Steve although he was a kind of unofficial member for a while. Max joined for 'Born to Run' but, IIRC, might not even have been in on every one of those tracks.

Frayed Knot Aug 27 2012 05:34 PM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

Mets – Willets Point wrote: One of the members of Hootie and the Blowfish is African-American. This entirely changes my understanding of Hootie and the Blowfish. And of black people. There was a joke running around at the time they had that big album out that many middle-American's version of participating in affirmative action was owning a Hootie and the Blowfish album.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 27 2012 05:36 PM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

One of the members of Hootie and the Blowfish is African-American. This entirely changes my understanding of Hootie and the Blowfish. And of black people. Really? You were alive when they were popular, yes? I feel like this has been bad-joke-fodder on several fairly-prominent cultural platforms (see: Jerry Maguire).

Mets – Willets Point Aug 27 2012 06:25 PM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

One of the members of Hootie and the Blowfish is African-American. This entirely changes my understanding of Hootie and the Blowfish. And of black people. Really? You were alive when they were popular, yes? I feel like this has been bad-joke-fodder on several fairly-prominent cultural platforms (see: Jerry Maguire). Yeah, but they were so blandly annoying I avoided learning anything about them. Also, never saw Jerry Maquire.

seawolf17 Aug 27 2012 06:55 PM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

You didn't know Hootie was black?!? I'm honestly stunned.

Frayed Knot Aug 27 2012 07:34 PM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 28 2012 07:56 AM

Darius Rucker - aka "Hootie" - doing solo work these days --- although he reportedly hated being referred to that way as that was merely the name of the band and neither he nor anyone else in it was named or even nicknamed Hootie. and Darius with the remaining and much whiter blowfish. They formed, IIRC, out of the Univ of South Carolina (and Wikipedia confirms)

Edgy MD Aug 27 2012 07:57 PM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

And he ain't a bad singer.

Mets – Willets Point Aug 27 2012 08:14 PM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

There were probably a half-a-dozen or so bands at the time that I assumed were Hootie and the Blowfish because they all kind of sounded the same which probably obscured my knowledge of the racial composition of the actual Blowfish.

Fman99 Aug 27 2012 08:50 PM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

Frayed Knot wrote: Darius Rucker - aka "Hootie" - doing solo work these days --- although he reportedly hated being referred to that way as that was merely the name of the band and neither he nor anyone else in it was named or even nicknamed Hootie. I call shenanigans here. He HAD to know that as the lead singer he was going to be "Hootie." They could've just not called themselves that. Shut your piehole, Hootie. From what I understand his solo work is more country-ish than anything else. I couldn't tell you, I have never heard a song of his without the rest of the Blowfish.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 27 2012 10:01 PM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

You probably heard at least one of his songs a few years ago, when it was in heavy rotation between televisual entertain-shows. [youtube:2udsx07y]dBNMjpDmrFc[/youtube:2udsx07y]

MFS62 Aug 27 2012 10:01 PM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

Fman99 wrote: Shut your piehole, Hootie. Wouldn't that be a blow hole? Later

seawolf17 Aug 28 2012 07:25 AM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

Fman99 wrote: I call shenanigans here. He HAD to know that as the lead singer he was going to be "Hootie." They could've just not called themselves that. Shut your piehole, Hootie. From what I understand his solo work is more country-ish than anything else. I couldn't tell you, I have never heard a song of his without the rest of the Blowfish. Exactly. And actually, I really love his country stuff.

metirish Aug 28 2012 07:48 AM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

Rucker is a big country star these days......

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 02 2012 08:01 AM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

Swan Swan H wrote: Max Weinberg was not the original drummer for the E Street Band. That was a gent named Vini Lopez, who played on Greetings from Asbury Park, N.J. and The Wild, the Innocent and the E Street Shuffle. I am a middling Bruce fan and no sort of historian of his career, but I did just read a 293-page article (well, it seemed that long) in the New Yorker on Bruce and found this out. Is this common knowledge to casual fans? Yes. Interestingly, Vini was ejected from the band after accusing manager Mike "I Can Feel Your Heartbeat" Appel of stealing from the band. He was replaced temporarily by Ernest "Boom" Carter before Weinberg took over on the regular. Carter's only contribution to the Bruce discography was the drums on some song called "Born to Run."

Frayed Knot Sep 02 2012 08:39 AM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

Last I saw/heard from Vini Lopez was when he was caddying for golfer Mark McCormick during June's U.S. Open Have no idea of the back story on that one.

Edgy MD Sep 02 2012 12:20 PM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

Springsteen remembered to thank both Lopez and Carter when he was inducted into the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame.

Mets – Willets Point Sep 02 2012 04:12 PM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

Edgy DC wrote: Springsteen remembered to thank both Lopez and Carter when he was inducted into the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame. Luis Lopez and Gary Carter?

Mets – Willets Point Sep 02 2012 08:05 PM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

The "James Bond Theme" is basically a Bollywood tune played on a surf rock guitar.

TheOldMole Sep 03 2012 10:15 AM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

The original, the real Hootie was Jay McShann. [youtube:3fq7i9fj]FDzpz-hLNLU[/youtube:3fq7i9fj]

Edgy MD Sep 03 2012 08:25 PM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

Percussion on "You Should Be Dancing": Steven Stills.

MFS62 Sep 09 2012 11:39 AM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

As per my local oldies station this morning, Eric Clapton's first big hit was "I Shot the Sheriff". It reached #1 on the (pop) charts. He never had another #1 hit. Later

Mets – Willets Point Sep 09 2012 06:42 PM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

I don't know how I missed this but last year there was an album released by a supergroup called SuperHeavy consisting of Mick Jagger (yes, that Mick), Joss Stone (English soul singer not quite as famous as Adele of Amy Winehouse), Dave Stewart (part of the Eurythmics who is not Annie Lennox), A. R. Rahman (Bollywood singer/songwriter), and Damian Marley (son of Bob). There's only one song on YouTube which seems like a decent enough reggae tune but doesn't seem to draw out the strengths of the individual artists. [youtube:2opi3dve]MTF7T1Nw5OU[/youtube:2opi3dve] So am I the only one who was clueless about this like with the Hootie thing or has no one else heard of this band either?

Frayed Knot Sep 09 2012 06:52 PM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

Heard of them, although heard next to nothing from them.

The Second Spitter Sep 09 2012 08:24 PM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

Always you knew it, but never previously occurred to me...... Wedding Cake Island falls within Peter Garrett's electorate/electoral district/constituency.

seawolf17 Sep 09 2012 08:41 PM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

Frayed Knot wrote: Heard of them, although heard next to nothing from them. Got the disc out of the library. Couldn't get it out of my CD player quickly enough. There's a place called "Wedding Cake Island"?

Edgy MD Sep 10 2012 07:06 AM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

Mets – Willets Point wrote: I don't know how I missed this but last year there was an album released by a supergroup called SuperHeavy consisting of Mick Jagger (yes, that Mick), Joss Stone (English soul singer not quite as famous as Adele of Amy Winehouse), Dave Stewart (part of the Eurythmics who is not Annie Lennox), A. R. Rahman (Bollywood singer/songwriter), and Damian Marley (son of Bob). There's only one song on YouTube which seems like a decent enough reggae tune but doesn't seem to draw out the strengths of the individual artists. [youtube]MTF7T1Nw5OU[/youtube] So am I the only one who was clueless about this like with the Hootie thing or has no one else heard of this band either? They were much derided and dismissed (particularly by Brits) as "what can go wrong when you form a supergroup." All I know is that track, and it didn't catch my imagination. Nice to see Mick have a reason to revisit his 1980s pastel suit collection, though.

Mets – Willets Point Sep 10 2012 08:33 AM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

Edgy DC wrote: All I know is that track, and it didn't catch my imagination. Nice to see Mick have a reason to revisit his 1980s pastel suit collection, though. Yeah, I figured he would've tossed that out with the masters to Dirty Work.

cooby Sep 13 2012 12:27 PM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

I didn't know until recently that this beautiful song was done by a group of very young siblings, headed up by their gorgeous sister. I loved it before, and now, well... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrotsEzgEpg

Mets – Willets Point Sep 13 2012 03:08 PM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

cooby wrote: I didn't know until recently that this beautiful song was done by a group of very young siblings, headed up by their gorgeous sister. I loved it before, and now, well... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrotsEzgEpg Beautiful song. I never really had any idea of what band performed it, just kind of filed it as a Philly Soul band, but they're actually from Chicago.

Mets – Willets Point Sep 16 2012 05:13 PM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

Johnny Nash is from Houston, TX and was the first non-Jamaican to record reggae music in Kingston, Jamaica. I'd always assumed he was from Jamaica.

smg58 Sep 16 2012 07:04 PM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

The Second Spitter wrote: Always you knew it, but never previously occurred to me...... Wedding Cake Island falls within Peter Garrett's electorate/electoral district/constituency. But can he catch the bus to Bondi?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 16 2012 07:41 PM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

Bon Iver is pronounced "Boney Vare"

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 16 2012 07:57 PM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Bon Iver is pronounced "Boney Vare" Funny-- I've always pronounced it, "Oh, gimme a f*cking break."

Edgy MD Sep 17 2012 07:22 AM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

"Dirty Old Town" was written in 1951 by Scots-English balladeer Ewan MacColl, husband of Peggy Seeger and father (with a different wife) of singer and Pogues collaborator Kirsty MacColl.

Mets – Willets Point Sep 17 2012 07:27 AM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

Edgy DC wrote: "Dirty Old Town" was written in 1951 by Scots-English balladeer Ewan MacColl, husband of Peggy Seeger and father (with a different wife) of singer and Pogues collaborator Kirsty MacColl. I never made the Ewan & Kirsty connection before.

Edgy MD Sep 17 2012 07:52 AM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

Kirsty died instantly after being run down by a speedboat owned by Mexican supermarket millionaire Guillermo González Nova, who was on board with his family. Whether he or a family member was piloting is a point of controversy, but an employee of Nova's took the rap and was able to get off by paying a fine in lieu of a jail sentence. I bet Lunchbucket has the inside story of what really happened.

Mets – Willets Point Sep 17 2012 08:01 AM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

Edgy DC wrote: Kirsty died instantly after being run down by a speedboat owned by Mexican supermarket millionaire Guillermo González Nova, who was on board with his family. Whether he or a family member was piloting is a point of controversy, but an employee of Nova's took the rap and was able to get off by paying a fine in lieu of a jail sentence. I bet Lunchbucket has the inside story of what really happened. And she was in the water with her own children, pushing one of her sons out of the way of the boat to save his life sacrificing her own.

smg58 Sep 17 2012 08:21 AM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

The guy was joyriding in an area that was clearly restricted for swimmers only. It's one of those tragedies that defies belief, compounded by the fact that no justice has really been done.

Edgy MD Oct 03 2012 07:50 AM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

Los Lobos has a longtime grudge with Paul Simon over him allegedly stealing the song "All Around the World or the Myth of Fingerprints" from them during the Graceland sessions. [youtube]-CrHXnnyBrg[/youtube] Steve Berlin: Well, I’ve already gotten into all the trouble I’m going to get into talking about it. I mean, the story’s out there. At least allow me the opportunity to say this: I really don’t think I’m a person who has an ax to grind, and I certainly don’t want it to seem like I think about Paul Simon all day, because I really don’t think about Paul Simon ever, unless somebody asks me about it. It’s just one of those experiences where if you have a career that’s whatever years long, you’re going to have good experiences and bad experiences, and people are going to rip you off. It just comes with the territory, and I’m certainly not unaware of that. My experience and, I would say, Lobos’ experience working with him is just part of our rich pageant of a long career in music. I’d love to just put that out there in the world. The stuff that I read about it makes it seem like I’m obsessed with the guy, but I really, really never fucking think about him unless somebody asks me about it. Unfortunately, somebody asked me about it because they had released the 20th anniversary of Graceland, and there were all these fluff pieces about what a wonderful humanitarian he was and all the stuff he had done to break apartheid, and it was like, “Yeah, okay. Maybe that’s true. But he also quite literally stole one of our songs.” And all we asked for was the proper credit. If we’d even shared the music side of the writing, he would’ve never heard a peep out of us. But for him to claim that he wrote the music when we spent the better part of two days in the studio with him, and he offered not even a single chord of an idea of his own, just kind of burns our butt a little bit, and that’s why I speak with great anger when people ask me about it, because the guy had literally had not a single contribution on any musical level on anything, not a note of music did he offer Los Lobos in the making of that song. He literally watched us like somebody would watch monkeys at a zoo, having us work on a song and saying, “Nah, I don’t like that one. Let’s do something else.” Then finally we played a song we’d started working on for our record, and he said, “Hey, let’s do that.” Well, I guess, whatever. For us, it was more a matter of getting out of the fucking studio he had us trapped in than anything else. Frankly, we could’ve said, “No, we’re saving that one for ourselves,” but at that point we were so tortured by just being around him that we wanted to leave.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 03 2012 09:37 AM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

I never knew there was a dispute over that, I do recall Paul Simon's own liner notes for Graceland describing Los Lobos as "a band I admire" and it's quite obvious a Lobos sound happening there. Here's something I didn't know until today: Doug Feiger of the Knack began his rock career with a band called SKY in 1970. Give it up for this saxy tune, takes you right to the booth at Arnold's! [youtube:2cslblq3]aBaI88Sx3_c[/youtube:2cslblq3]

Edgy MD Dec 26 2012 11:12 PM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

Another unknown and unlikely composer: "Pallisades Park" was written by Gong Show host and would-be assassin Chuck Barris. [youtube]JBgaf5gXJcc[/youtube]

Fman99 Dec 27 2012 05:13 AM Re: Things You Didn't Know 'til Recently, Music Edition

That the Stephen Stills outfit Manassas produced one of the seminal classic rock albums of the 1970s. I had heard them on XM's "Deep Tracks," in passing, though I had not paid much heed to them, but their first self titled album is terrific. Here's some live footage of them. [youtube]eLqfqt473j8[/youtube]