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Given Another Year... We Still Can't Make This Happen

Edgy MD Sep 06 2012 07:38 PM

Hats of New York's finest and bravest remain lowest of priorities. http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/p ... ot-in-game

Ashie62 Sep 06 2012 07:47 PM Re: Given Another Year, We Still Can't Make This Happen

Every year this comes up and yet I have no opinion on the issue. Heroes live everywhere, maybe a league sanctioned "Heroes" hat should be adopted and used to honor first responers everywhere.

seawolf17 Sep 06 2012 08:01 PM Re: Given Another Year, We Still Can't Make This Happen

I'm not surprised that the players don't care.

Edgy MD Sep 06 2012 08:18 PM Re: Given Another Year, We Still Can't Make This Happen

I don't see anything in there that would lead me to such a broad characterization. They don't care enough, maybe.

Ashie62 Sep 06 2012 09:09 PM Re: Given Another Year, We Still Can't Make This Happen

Maybe the Rockies should wear caps in honor of Aurora first responders.

bmfc1 Sep 06 2012 09:14 PM Re: Given Another Year, We Still Can't Make This Happen

F. Wilpon doesn't want to do anything that will upset his Sugar Daddy, the Crypt Keeper.

Edgy MD Sep 06 2012 09:27 PM Re: Given Another Year, We Still Can't Make This Happen

Ashie62 wrote: Maybe the Rockies should wear caps in honor of Aurora first responders. Maybe they should, but that's not my team. You're the master of the non-sequiter tonight, more than most.

seawolf17 Sep 07 2012 05:20 AM Re: Given Another Year, We Still Can't Make This Happen

Edgy DC wrote: I don't see anything in there that would lead me to such a broad characterization. They don't care enough, maybe. Semantics. That's what I meant.

metirish Sep 07 2012 06:27 AM Re: Given Another Year, We Still Can't Make This Happen

This is beyond fucking annoying and I think embarrassing. Bud Selig should announce that any team that wants to honor and remember on 9/11 with hats should be allowed to do so. I would think common sense would prevail in what is worn.

themetfairy Sep 07 2012 06:58 AM Re: Given Another Year... We Still Can't Make This Happen

In 2001 Todd Zeile dared MLB to rip the cap off his head. It's disgraceful that the current crop of players doesn't have that kind of attitude.

Edgy MD Sep 07 2012 07:01 AM Re: Given Another Year, We Still Can't Make This Happen

seawolf17 wrote: Edgy DC wrote: I don't see anything in there that would lead me to such a broad characterization. They don't care enough, maybe. Semantics. That's what I meant. Well, in my experience, tempered in the fire of multiple viewings of Beau Geste and The Bounty, organized mutinies are notoriously hard to get off the ground. I don't remember the initiative belonging to Zeile, but rather to Ordōņez. Obviously, they all deserve credit, but also obviously, the zeitgeist was different.

themetfairy Sep 07 2012 07:12 AM Re: Given Another Year, We Still Can't Make This Happen

Edgy DC wrote: I don't remember the initiative belonging to Zeile, but rather to Ordōņez. Obviously, they all deserve credit, but also obviously, the zeitgeist was different. Last week, former Met Todd Zeile said MLB "would've had to rip the hats off our heads" in 2001. Source I don't have time to research it right now, but I specifically remember him saying the same thing back then.

seawolf17 Sep 07 2012 07:35 AM Re: Given Another Year, We Still Can't Make This Happen

Edgy DC wrote: the zeitgeist was different. That's part of my point. It's ancient history to these guys. The only NYer in the group is Baxter, yes? It's not part of their lives the same way it's part of ours. I'm not defending them, I'm just saying.

Ashie62 Sep 07 2012 07:44 AM Re: Given Another Year, We Still Can't Make This Happen

Edgy DC wrote: Ashie62 wrote: Maybe the Rockies should wear caps in honor of Aurora first responders. Maybe they should, but that's not my team. You're the master of the non-sequiter tonight, more than most. You are obsessed with the 9/11 hat issue...Move on.

Edgy MD Sep 07 2012 08:05 AM Re: Given Another Year... We Still Can't Make This Happen

I have six people responsible for my psychological health and you're not one of them. Were you looking for a response that was more serious or less serious with the Aurora comment?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 07 2012 08:47 AM Re: Given Another Year... We Still Can't Make This Happen

Perhaps he's just an asshole.

Ashie62 Sep 07 2012 09:15 AM Re: Given Another Year... We Still Can't Make This Happen

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Perhaps he's just an asshole. You two are quite a pair of donkeys with faces made for radio. Fuck off.

Edgy MD Sep 07 2012 09:20 AM Re: Given Another Year... We Still Can't Make This Happen

Isn't that tired cliche of an insult generally reserved for a medium in which somebody's face appears? I would love to do some radio. You seem disappointed with my answer to the Aurora comment, and I don't know why. Were you looking for a response that was more serious or less serious? I did my best with it.

themetfairy Sep 07 2012 10:08 AM Re: Given Another Year, We Still Can't Make This Happen

themetfairy wrote: Edgy DC wrote: I don't remember the initiative belonging to Zeile, but rather to Ordōņez. Obviously, they all deserve credit, but also obviously, the zeitgeist was different. Last week, former Met Todd Zeile said MLB "would've had to rip the hats off our heads" in 2001. Source I don't have time to research it right now, but I specifically remember him saying the same thing back then. The issue with the caps brought to mind the Mets' first game back after the attacks, when they were told by MLB they couldn't wear the hats from the FDNY, NYPD and other agencies. But Todd Zeile said at the time league officials "are going to have to pry these hats off our heads." Source

Edgy MD Sep 07 2012 10:34 AM Re: Given Another Year... We Still Can't Make This Happen

I'm sure Zeile spoke honestly last year for how he and his teammates felt at the time. My point only is that his ready availability last year as unofficial spokesman for the 2001 team on the issue caused some members of the 2011 press corps to perhaps mis-interpret his statements of intransigence to suggest that he took was the player whose initiative led the team to take the field in the hats the rest of the season despite the lack of permission. Hats Will Be Off Saturday At Shea NOTEBOOK BY T.J. QUINN DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER Thursday, September 20, 2001 PITTSBURGH - What was supposed to be a brief gesture is turning into a movement. Monday night, the Mets took baseball caps bearing police, fire and EMS logos onto the field during the pre-game ceremony. Tuesday night, after getting permission from Major League Baseball, the Mets wore the caps during the game. Yesterday they were supposed to return to their regular "NY" lids, but no one on the team wanted to. Rey Ordoņez grabbed a "FDNY" cap, put it on his head and said to his teammates, "I'm going to wear it." The rest of the team followed suit, and although it was awkward for Mets brass, no one protested. The Mets will wear the caps for the last time tomorrow at Shea, and will add caps from the Port Authority Police and court reporters. Both groups asked that the Mets help honor their fallen as well and sent caps to Shea. "I just wanted to do something for New York," the Cuban-born Ordoņez said. "I've lived here 10 years. I'm not an American, but I'm a New Yorker."

themetfairy Sep 07 2012 10:43 AM Re: Given Another Year... We Still Can't Make This Happen

Edgy DC wrote: My point only is that his ready availability last year as unofficial spokesman for the 2001 team on the issue caused some members of the 2011 press corps to perhaps mis-interpret his statements of intransigence to suggest that he took was the player whose initiative led the team to take the field in the hats the rest of the season despite the lack of permission. Aside from the fact that I remember Zeile's statement from the time clearly, the Post article that I cited above confirms his 2001 statement. He was hardly the only one in favor of wearing the caps for the remainder of the 2001 season. But he was certainly vocal about it at the time.

themetfairy Sep 07 2012 10:51 AM Re: Given Another Year... We Still Can't Make This Happen

Further confirmation that Zeile was outspoken about the caps at the time - The Mets again wore caps of the New York fire and police departments and other agencies, and when they were asked about reports Major League Baseball Properties wanted them to return to their regular caps today, Zeile spit out the words. "As far as we're concerned, they're going to have to tear them off our heads." he said.

Edgy MD Sep 07 2012 11:02 AM Re: Given Another Year... We Still Can't Make This Happen

Yes, he was. Obviously, they all deserve credit.

themetfairy Sep 07 2012 11:38 AM Re: Given Another Year... We Still Can't Make This Happen

Obviously.

Edgy MD Sep 07 2012 11:44 AM Re: Given Another Year... We Still Can't Make This Happen

Another terribly awkward conversation.

themetfairy Sep 07 2012 11:50 AM Re: Given Another Year... We Still Can't Make This Happen

Another terribly awkward conversation. Well, why is that? Because you made me prove a point time and time again before having to acknowledge that my initial statement was valid?

Edgy MD Sep 07 2012 11:58 AM Re: Given Another Year... We Still Can't Make This Happen

I didn't make you do anything. At all. Nor did I actually dispute your point, but rather took your point to add on a comment of my own. I apologize that I wrote it so it could read otherwise but I really didn't mean to. I tried to subsequently clarify this.

themetfairy Sep 07 2012 12:03 PM Re: Given Another Year... We Still Can't Make This Happen

My point only is that his ready availability last year as unofficial spokesman for the 2001 team on the issue caused some members of the 2011 press corps to perhaps mis-interpret his statements of intransigence to suggest that he took was the player whose initiative led the team to take the field in the hats the rest of the season despite the lack of permission. That pretty much was a statement telling me that you weren't going to acknowledge that Zeile actually made his statement back in 2001. Which he did. It's not like I said he was the only one or he was the leader or anything like that. I simply said that he made the statement and I wish we had more players today who showed that kind of spirit. That said, I accept your apology.

G-Fafif Sep 07 2012 12:45 PM Re: Given Another Year... We Still Can't Make This Happen

I certainly hope Daniel Herrera will be leaning over that guard rail with a first responder cap next week.

Centerfield Sep 07 2012 08:30 PM Re: Given Another Year... We Still Can't Make This Happen

themetfairy wrote: In 2001 Todd Zeile dared MLB to rip the cap off his head. It's disgraceful that the current crop of players doesn't have that kind of attitude. Disgraceful is right. Shameful is also appropriate. If the players are too young or were not here in NY then it's the organization's duty to teach them. Bring in Todd Zeile or any fan and let them tell the players what that meant to the city. Fred Wilpon was here. He has no excuse. I distinctly remember saying they would never forget. I'm starting to think Fred never got it in the first place. Over the years these asshat owners have been searching for a Mets tradition. Remember when they tried stealing Sweet Caroline? In 2001 Valentine, Ordonez, Franco, Zeile et al gave the Mets a great one. The best one in all of baseball. And they threw it away. Something that great and they just discarded it. It disgusts me. I am ashamed of this team. It boggles my mind that they can fuck up something this simple. It makes me believe that they will never accomplish something as complex as building a winning baseball team.

Fman99 Sep 08 2012 04:33 AM Re: Given Another Year... We Still Can't Make This Happen

As long as they wear hats of some kind, that's what matters. You can't go out there without a hat. You'll look stupid.

Zvon Sep 08 2012 04:28 PM Re: Given Another Year... We Still Can't Make This Happen

Centerfield wrote: themetfairy wrote: In 2001 Todd Zeile dared MLB to rip the cap off his head. It's disgraceful that the current crop of players doesn't have that kind of attitude. Disgraceful is right. Shameful is also appropriate. If the players are too young or were not here in NY then it's the organization's duty to teach them. Bring in Todd Zeile or any fan and let them tell the players what that meant to the city. Fred Wilpon was here. He has no excuse. I distinctly remember saying they would never forget. I'm starting to think Fred never got it in the first place. Over the years these asshat owners have been searching for a Mets tradition. Remember when they tried stealing Sweet Caroline? In 2001 Valentine, Ordonez, Franco, Zeile et al gave the Mets a great one. The best one in all of baseball. And they threw it away. Something that great and they just discarded it. It disgusts me. I am ashamed of this team. It boggles my mind that they can fuck up something this simple. It makes me believe that they will never accomplish something as complex as building a winning baseball team. I agree with this. Saved me a lot of typing. I also feel its MLB that's being most disgraceful as opposed to the players. What is their reasoning? Uniformity? Bullshit. Players wear all kinds of crap that does not conform to the uniform logic. If wearing a non uniform hat is such a big issue for MLB, ok, Ill go ahead and accept that. But can't they just have a singular tribute team logo just for that day? Wear these on their shoulders. I don't think a logo like this would ruin the uniformity of the uniform.

themetfairy Sep 08 2012 10:13 PM Re: Given Another Year... We Still Can't Make This Happen

Nice design Z!

Edgy MD Sep 09 2012 06:12 AM Re: Given Another Year... We Still Can't Make This Happen

Yeah. for those about to design, I salute you.

Edgy MD Sep 16 2012 09:37 PM Re: Given Another Year... We Still Can't Make This Happen

Mets return from Milwaukee outfitted in NYPD and FDNY gear. http://instagram.com/p/Ppw5FiwRhh/

Ashie62 Sep 16 2012 10:34 PM Re: Given Another Year... We Still Can't Make This Happen

I am thunderstruck.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 16 2012 11:23 PM Re: Given Another Year... We Still Can't Make This Happen

Edgy DC wrote: Mets return from Milwaukee outfitted in NYPD and FDNY gear. http://instagram.com/p/Ppw5FiwRhh/ It's nice that the ol' tradition can be tended with the same level of respect as that given jokingly-worn hockey jerseys and "bandito" drag.

The Second Spitter Sep 17 2012 05:35 AM Re: Given Another Year... We Still Can't Make This Happen

They should just wear them and dare Bud to fine them afterwards. That's what the 86 Mets would have done.

G-Fafif Sep 17 2012 06:10 AM Re: Given Another Year... We Still Can't Make This Happen

The '86 Mets would've kicked the ass of the terrorists before they got anywhere near their targets. That's how awesome the '86 Mets were.

The Second Spitter Sep 17 2012 06:15 AM Re: Given Another Year... We Still Can't Make This Happen

I just had a vision of Kevin Mitchell decapitating Osama with a kitchen knife......it's been a long dday.

themetfairy Sep 17 2012 06:40 AM Re: Given Another Year... We Still Can't Make This Happen

The Second Spitter wrote: I just had a vision of Kevin Mitchell decapitating Osama with a kitchen knife......it's been a long dday. That shouldn't have made me laugh. But it did.

cooby Sep 17 2012 08:22 AM Re: Given Another Year... We Still Can't Make This Happen

Not to steal the thread, but here's an interview from 2011 with Rey Ordonez about 9/11. Too bad it's in Spanish, can anybody interpret? Does he say he was in Miami? I don't remember why... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_kelTPp ... ws&list=SL BTW, leave it run for a few seconds, cool surprise at the end

themetfairy Sep 17 2012 09:31 AM Re: Given Another Year... We Still Can't Make This Happen

cooby wrote: Does he say he was in Miami? I don't remember why... Yes - This is what I have from my Monday Morning Mets column after 9/11 - Rey Ordoņez was not with the team Tuesday as well, having stayed at his home in Parkland, Florida with the Mets' permission after the team finished its series in Florida against the Marlins. Not being able to fly last week, Ordoņez drove back to New York and rejoined the team on Friday.

cooby Sep 17 2012 09:36 AM Re: Given Another Year... We Still Can't Make This Happen

Thanks Metfairy! You have solved that for me! (you should still do those columns)

themetfairy Sep 17 2012 09:42 AM Re: Given Another Year... We Still Can't Make This Happen

Thanks cooby. At the time I was also writing for Mets Inside Pitch, and I reached a burnout point. But it was fun while it lasted - good times :)

cooby Sep 17 2012 12:40 PM Re: Given Another Year... We Still Can't Make This Happen

I do believe Mets Inside Pitch is defunct...you should be all rested up :)

themetfairy Sep 17 2012 03:19 PM Re: Given Another Year... We Still Can't Make This Happen

Well, maybe something new will come my way one day