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The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL
batmagadanleadoff Sep 20 2012 02:29 PM |
Cueto unscored on through six innings ... pinch hit for in top of 7th with Reds up 2-0 on Cubs ... in line for 18th Win ... cannot get loss today.
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Ashie62 Sep 21 2012 09:47 AM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
Im bettin on Cain.
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Edgy MD Sep 21 2012 09:52 AM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
Cain vs Astros: 3 G, 2-0, 1.19 ERA, 22.2 IP, 4 BB, 25 SO.
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Frayed Knot Sep 21 2012 10:39 AM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
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He's also undefeated against Abel.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 22 2012 07:25 AM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
Saturday, September 22, 2012
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 22 2012 12:31 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
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http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/2 ... ingertips/
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Edgy MD Sep 22 2012 12:36 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
Washington and Gio are up 3-0 on Milwaukee, who are countering with Livan Hernandez and two errors.
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Edgy MD Sep 22 2012 12:41 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
Washington and Gio are up 3-0 on Milwaukee, who are countering with Livan Hernandez and two errors.
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Edgy MD Sep 22 2012 01:00 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
Marlins put up a big fat six in the fourth inning. It would take a heckuva collapse for Gio not to get his 20th today.
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Edgy MD Sep 22 2012 01:08 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
And he completes the fifth and becomes the pitcher of record.
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Benjamin Grimm Sep 22 2012 01:12 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
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You scared me for a second there. You mean "Nationals".
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Edgy MD Sep 22 2012 05:58 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
Bury me. I'm through. I've got nothing left. This shit computer and this shit internet connection has my timing off and and not adjusting. I'm throwing junk up on the screen. JUNK!
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 23 2012 10:10 AM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
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Frayed Knot Sep 23 2012 06:25 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
A win today (16-3) but also 3 earned over 6 IP for dark-horse candidate Kyle Lohse.
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duan Sep 24 2012 05:56 AM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
You'd have to think if Clayton Kershaw repeats yesterday's "heroics" he's going to win. Guy, not 100% comes back to try and save team, keeps team in race. America is still land of the free and home of the brave.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 24 2012 08:02 AM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
Despite all of the enlightened commentary about how Wins aren't nearly the best indicator of a pitcher's worth, nobody's mentioning Kershaw as a candidate. Yet the reigning Cy Young Award winner passed Dickey for the league lead in K's last night, is tied for the league lead in WHIP, has the second best NL ERA, just .02 behind RA, and has a body of work that's as good as anybody's, notwithstanding his low Wins total (12).
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Edgy MD Sep 24 2012 08:22 AM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
Very, very comparable to Dickey. Being purely objective, I'd vote Dickey #1 based on the slight edge in innings, and the shutouts. I also would even consider the number of wins relevant, given they are so equal in every other category.
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metirish Sep 24 2012 08:29 AM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
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Keith absolutely dismissed Kershaw from the running based solely on wins..... "12 wins is not getting it done" I wasn't surprised Mex talked like that.....seems at best dismissive of things like WHIP etc.
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Chad Ochoseis Sep 24 2012 08:34 AM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 24 2012 10:22 AM |
Among teams currently in the division/WC lead, Kershaw has faced:
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Edgy MD Sep 24 2012 08:34 AM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
Keith's a smart jock, but a proud jock. He'll examine received wisdom, but only after you force him to.
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Edgy MD Sep 24 2012 08:36 AM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
Thinking of Saturday's game, I wonder how the candidates compare with regard to their bullpens (a) blowing their leads, and (b) letting their runners score.
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Frayed Knot Sep 24 2012 10:15 AM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
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Gary has also shown himself to be almost Joe Morgan-esque with regard to those damn new-fangled stats that are always running on his lawn.
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Edgy MD Sep 24 2012 10:32 AM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
My question is how much he developed that persona to suck up to Keith and Ron.
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Frayed Knot Sep 24 2012 11:52 AM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
I don't think that's the case.
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Edgy MD Sep 24 2012 12:00 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
What really killed me was a guest in the booth on Autism Awareness Day. It was more or less his third trip to the booth, and he was caught up in his austism spiel, and the Mets were in a bunting situation. The guy was comfortable enough that he felt it OK to offer a baseball observation, and he said something along the lines of, "I've done a lot of the reading about bunting and I have to say that I'm compelled by the notion that the outs you give up bunting costs you a lot of runs."
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Frayed Knot Sep 24 2012 07:05 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
Also, promoting bunts is not exactly the way to Keith's heart anyway.
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HahnSolo Sep 25 2012 07:21 AM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
Gary lost me with his complete love affair with Orlando Cabrera a couple years ago, gushing on and on about what a "winner" he was.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 25 2012 06:59 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
Cueto: 5 innings of of one run ball, Reds 4, Brewers 1, pitcher of record on the long side in line for his 19th win.
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Ashie62 Sep 25 2012 07:35 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
Gio 20
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 26 2012 09:42 AM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
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Edgy MD Sep 26 2012 09:46 AM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
I wonder how much the hype factor may squeeze out a few points for Strasburg. He won't win, certainly, but a few points in his pocket could swing things.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 26 2012 09:54 AM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
No Nats. I wouldn't give Strasburg a vote. And Gio Gonzalez wouldn't make my ballot either if the season ended last night. And I had a ballot to submit. Do the writers have the balls to give first place votes to a 12-9 pitcher? 'Cause Kershaw's looking about as good as anybody else.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 26 2012 04:40 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
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I think that's the issue... that he's pitched as good as anybody else, and not better than anybody else, unlike Felix two years back.
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Frayed Knot Sep 27 2012 06:04 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
3 earned for Gio tonight in the very 1st inning in Philly.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 27 2012 07:04 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
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After falling behind 3-1 in the 1st inning, Nats score the next five runs. 6-3 Nats after six and a half. Gio in line for his 21st Win -- a serious crimp in RA's triple crown bid. http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore? ... a-phillies
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Frayed Knot Sep 27 2012 08:52 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
In the TC bid yeah, but not so much in the CY bid.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 28 2012 08:39 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 28 2012 09:43 PM |
The RA Triple Crown Watch:
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 28 2012 09:13 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
The RA Triple Crown Watch:
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 28 2012 09:45 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
The RA Triple Crown Watch:
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 28 2012 09:58 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
The RA Triple Crown Watch:
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 28 2012 10:18 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
The RA Triple Crown Watch:
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 28 2012 10:32 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
The RA Triple Crown Watch:
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Ceetar Sep 28 2012 11:59 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
My guess is the incumbent will win it. (Wait, this isn't the politics thread?)
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soupcan Sep 29 2012 07:54 AM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
So R.A. Is ahead of C.K. in Ws & Ks. The Dickmeister has one more start left and I'm guessing Kershaw is done.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 29 2012 08:29 AM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 29 2012 08:46 AM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
If the voters made their selections while pretending not to know the pitchers' won-loss records (not necessarily a bad approach, according to me) then Kershaw would probably win the Cy Young award in a unanimous landslide. If the season ended last night.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 29 2012 09:29 AM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
If Kershaw doesn't pitch another inning this season, Dickey would have to pitch nine and 2/3 innings without allowing an earned run in order to pass Kershaw in ERA.
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Mets – Willets Point Sep 29 2012 03:16 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
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Luckily he's paired with an offense that can also go nine and 2/3 innings(or more) without getting a run to get him the extra inning.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 29 2012 07:21 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
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I would agree with you if you're stating who should win the award. Kershaw leads the league in WHIP, ERA, is tops in K/9 among the big four candidates and is second in Opp. OPS, only to Gonzalez. (He's tops among the big four in a slew of other categories, too). You can't ask a pitcher to do more than to keep opposing batters off base, and to minimize the potential for damage when those batters do reach safely. And Kershaw was the best at that in the NL this season. Can't blame Kershaw if his team can't hold leads, or score enough to get him wins. But I don't think Kershaw wins it. What I think will happen though, barring a major shakeup in the stats over this last week is that Kershaw won't get serious consideration for the top spot because of his low wins total. Neither will Cueto. Cueto's edge, as I see it, lies primarily in SABR stats that adjust for park factors, particularly esoteric ones that lack transparency. I don't see the voters relying primarily on those stats. That leaves Dickey and Gonzalez, and as between those two, Dickey wins convincingly. Unless Gonzalez receives strong extra credit because his teammates were better than Dickey's.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 02 2012 12:06 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
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I forgot that King Felix won his CYA with a 13-12 record. I thought he had about 16 or so wins. So now less reason to think that Kershaw can't win it with a 13-9 record. Of course, this year's NL race is much tighter, than AL.2010 and spread out among more candidates. I still say it'll be RA.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 02 2012 12:09 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
One more thing: Dickey received almost a full run per game more than Kershaw in offensive run support this season.
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Ceetar Oct 02 2012 12:25 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
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I wasn't differentiating because would/should. I think an argument for Kershaw or Dickey has plenty of merit. (and others as well) The difference is so minute. Kershaw has the ERA and WHIP, but not by much. If the Dodgers defense is only fractionally better (And depending how comfortable you are with the measurement of course) that probably erases the difference. I think the IP matters too. Dickey's thrown more complete games and more innings. More shutouts too. Arguably he's had more dominating games, if that matters or not in terms of the award, I dunno. It's ultimately going to come down to how the individual voters feel about the value of each point. If Dickey absolutely dominates tonight I think that almost clinches it for him though.
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Farmer Ted Oct 02 2012 12:47 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
Tom Verducci's picks:
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TransMonk Oct 02 2012 12:49 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
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Yikes.
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Vic Sage Oct 02 2012 02:07 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
A pitcher's winning % vs his team's W%.
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Vic Sage Oct 02 2012 02:07 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
i like Verducci's list.
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Farmer Ted Oct 02 2012 02:27 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
The guy is missing a ligament for crissakes!
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Benjamin Grimm Oct 02 2012 07:01 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
Okay, so the Triple Crown is out. He's not going to lead the league in wins, and ERA is unlikely, unless Kershaw gets rocked tomorrow. If the Dodgers are eliminated today, however, Kershaw may not pitch tomorrow which, if nothing else, would clinch the strikeout title for Dickey.
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Benjamin Grimm Oct 03 2012 04:30 AM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
Dodgers eliminated, Kershaw pitching anyway. Let's hope there are a lot of earned runs and few strikeouts.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 03 2012 06:36 AM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
It seems like I've read/heard a few people with votes-- like Jayson Stark-- forming something like a groundswell of support for Kimbrel's "historic dominance"-- highest-ever seasonal K/9 for anyone pitching 50-plus innings-- in the Atlanta 'pen.
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Edgy MD Oct 03 2012 06:48 AM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
That probably won't happen, as I think most folks only look at relievers in the absence of any 20-game winners, but stealing a few votes could certainly make him a spoiler.
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Vic Sage Oct 03 2012 08:25 AM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
kimbrel's been great... over the course of 61.2 INNINGS! Now while i don't absolutely rule out the CY for relievers (cough, cough... own award... rolaids... cough cough), i would only consider it in a year where there were no dominant pitchers... um, i mean, starting pitchers. And this year, there are more than enough starters with legit candidacies not to have to consider guys who've thrown 60 innings.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 03 2012 09:26 AM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
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I suppose that the Dodgers will monitor Kershaw's ERA (2.58) to ensure that it doesn't rise higher than Dickey's 2.73. This is slightly easier than it sounds. If Kershaw, for example, gives up a grand slam HR in the first inning before recording an out, and all the runs are earned, his ERA will rise to 2.75. Would the Dodgers pull him in the first inning if the first three batters reach base? Holy Jose Jose Jose!
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Edgy MD Oct 03 2012 11:26 AM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
Those 61.2 innings put him atop the WPA chart for pitchers.
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Frayed Knot Oct 03 2012 12:02 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
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Win Percentage Added /per games played on Long Island? Shit, for a guy who pitches his home games in Queens you figure he'd be a lot higher up on that list. And for all the talk about Kimbrel, there's a question as to whether he's even the best reliever in baseball this season. Yeah it's the other league so it wouldn't affect the NL CY race, but Tampa's Fernando Rodney as a considerably better ERA, more innings pitched, more saves, and a slightly lower walk rate. Kimbrel has more Ks and the better WHiP
It all makes it a little tougher to refer to Kimbrel's year as an "historic" season for a reliever when it's being more or less matched concurrently.
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bmfc1 Oct 03 2012 12:17 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
Tim Kurkjian said on the Tony Kornheiser Show today that he is debating between R.A. and Kimbrel.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 03 2012 05:47 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
Kershaw is perfect through three innings, with two K's. Nine Giants up. Nine Giants down.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 03 2012 05:55 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
Double perfectos at Dodger Stadium. Voglesong is also perfect through three, with five K's.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 03 2012 07:09 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
Kershaw on the long side of a 2-1 Dodger lead after six and a half; 7 IP, 3 H, 6 K
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Benjamin Grimm Oct 03 2012 07:26 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
After 8 innings, Kershaw is one strikeout behind Dickey.
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Benjamin Grimm Oct 03 2012 07:48 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
Kershaw out of the game. He wins the ERA title, Dickey will be the strikeout king.
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Mets – Willets Point Oct 03 2012 08:03 PM Re: The Cy Young Award Watch-v2012.NL |
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Contact Blue Rider Press, because they're going to need to publish a revised edition.
p. 1, Wherever I Wind Up
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