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NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Frayed Knot Oct 06 2012 03:49 PM

Cueto [19-9; 2.78] vs Cain [16-5; 2.79] get the starts for game 1 in the city by the bay. We can call this the George Foster series if even Cincy does have a slight edge in GF HRs: 244 to 4 SF drafted George in the 3rd round of the supplemental (January) draft in 1968, then dealt him 3-1/2 years and 129 ML ABs later to Cincy in exchange for Frank Duffy and Vern Geishert

Fman99 Oct 06 2012 07:58 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Wow, Cueto coming out with an injury after retiring just one batter (erstwhile Met Angel Pagan). At one point Pagan called time and Cueto stopped his pitch, mid-delivery. Ron Darling and two white guys I never heard of currently on TBS deliberating on the possibility that this caused some injury.

Frayed Knot Oct 06 2012 08:29 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Dreadlock whiplash perhaps?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 06 2012 08:33 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Back spasms, as per Verducci, doing voice-only in-game reportage (which I kinda like). You know, the sort of pains you might get from whipping around super-quick to see a fastball that Brandon Phillips just whacked over your head and out of the park, only without hurting your neck. Y'know, like Matt Cain might do just now. 2-0, Redlegs.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 06 2012 08:43 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Wait, there's that shiny, thick, sentient Verducci hair. Apparently, Cueto's spasms aren't much of a thing; Baker's told our man SI Tom that he may be able to pitch in Game 3 or 4. Meanwhile, the Reds are coping pretty damn well tonight; bearded junkballer Sam LeCure held the fort nicely for a scoreless 1 2/3, and Latos is on now as the closer-starter, cruising so far in the third.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 06 2012 08:48 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Latos is through the third. He's also a lot more blond than I remembered him, and-- I think-- wouldn't look out of place in a Cobra Kai gi.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 06 2012 09:20 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Gary calls the Bruce home run from the 4th that made it 3-0.

Frayed Knot Oct 07 2012 09:47 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

And while we in the east here are paying attention to what's going on in Baltimore, Bronson Arroyo has a 1-hit shutout going on in SF in the 7th 4-0 Cincinnati

Ceetar Oct 09 2012 05:36 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Bailey is no-hitting the Giants through 5.2 Of course, he's let up a run and isn't winning the game. edit: 30 seconds later, Scutero gets a hit down the line.

Gwreck Oct 09 2012 05:40 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Immediately broken up by Scutaro. Middle of the sixth, still tied.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 09 2012 06:37 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Cincy looked like they were gonna put up a half-dozen runs in the first. If Brandon Phillips doesn't make a greedy baserunning error, maybe they do. Shocked that it's tied.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 09 2012 06:55 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Jonathan "Wide Load" Broxton is a Red. Who knew?

Frayed Knot Oct 09 2012 06:58 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Jonathan "Wide Load" Broxton is a Red. Who knew? I was about to say the same thing. Put him and Chapman up next to each other in the pen and they look like the number 10.

Frayed Knot Oct 09 2012 07:11 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

R. Darling after a fly ball dies at the GAB warning track: "I don't recognize this stadium in the colder weather"

attgig Oct 09 2012 07:14 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

ex met gives the giants the lead... and, no, not Angel... it's Joaquín Árias

Frayed Knot Oct 09 2012 07:17 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

If Hunter Pence is moving awkwardly from a cramp or muscle pull, how could you tell? Dude looks awkward doing everything!

Frayed Knot Oct 09 2012 07:19 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

attgig wrote: ex met gives the giants the lead... and, no, not Angel... it's Joaquín Árias Arias was part of the ARod to the Yanx trade ... only Arias turns out to be the one who doesn't strike-out with the go-ahead run in scoring position during the playoffs.

Frayed Knot Oct 09 2012 07:27 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

That's 2 errors for Rolen in this series so far. Who does he think he is, Jeter?!?

Edgy MD Oct 09 2012 08:10 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

attgig wrote: ex met gives the giants the lead... and, no, not Angel... it's Joaquín Árias Liar. Never a Met.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 09 2012 08:24 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

I listened to the final 1.5 innings of this game on my run via radio and although I hate being the guy who rags on announcers, Berman and Sutcliffe absolutely suck cock. Berman couldn't tell me what the heck happened on the wild pitch or the game-winning hit, and Sutcliffe's a dumb jock who thinks he's still a player. He defends every stupid decision made because "he's a player!" or "'Boch' is an an ex-catcher, you know he knows his way around the bullpen!" and only dares to question the plays once they don't work out. Berman's voice was shot, and the radio feed on ESPN-FM was nearly a minute BEHIND the TV feed, you almost never see that. Meantime the game ends, the other one's already begun. I don;t need a wrapup show and 15 minutes of commercials between. arrgh A real disaster.

Frayed Knot Oct 10 2012 12:01 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

I mentioned in another thread that Berman & Sutcliffe (even apart) are my two least favorite announcers working today. I dread just thinking of them working together. Sutcliffe's problem is that he reminds me of a football announcer in that he thinks every single play/pitch/call/decision needs to be analyzed to within an inch of its life. Berman's problem is that he reminds me too much of Chris Berman. The Reds have named Mike Leake to start Game 4 later today (trying to steal a win maybe?) a move that's significant because Leake wasn't on the roster to start the series. They've made room for him by removing Johnny Cueto, a move that requires Cueto not only to sit out the remainder of this round but also the next one should the Reds stay alive. Cueto would be eligible again for a potential Cincy WS roster.

Gwreck Oct 10 2012 04:04 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

5-2 San Francisco in the middle of the 5th inning. Our old friend Pagan having a good game, 2-2, 2 runs, 2 RBIs and a walk.

G-Fafif Oct 11 2012 08:06 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Chris Berman oozed praise all over ex-Met Joaquin Arias late in last night's game, going so far as to insist he was awarding him the unsponsored "making the most of your opportunity" prize on him -- and then giving player of the game to Angel. Good to know some 2010 Mets are keeping busy these days.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 11 2012 08:28 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

I'll bet Juaquin Arias doesn't even remember being a Met.

HahnSolo Oct 11 2012 08:46 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Not to go all Chris Russo on start times and TV ratings and whatnot, but how can they have a decisive game 5 (featuring a west coast team, mind you) first pitch at 1 PM Eastern? And I know the real answer, that the almighty tv dollar insists the MFYs get the primetime slot. But got that sucks if you are a Giant fan in SF. At the very least, couldn't they have swapped the NL start times, so the Cardinals and Nats would start at 1 instead?

themetfairy Oct 11 2012 08:54 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Joaquin Arias during his brief Mets tenure -

G-Fafif Oct 11 2012 09:26 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Memories of Joaquin Arias ended rather abruptly, with Ceetar never following through on a tease about his shot on Beer Money.

Ceetar Oct 11 2012 09:33 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Memories of Joaquin Arias ended rather abruptly, with Ceetar never following through on a tease about his shot on Beer Money. would you believe they cut my clip as well? bastards. I guess I'm not appropriately photogenic. Okay, questions first, and then the story. (I may be muffing/paraphrasing this, it was a while ago) Question 1: "This member of the 500 home run club hit #500 as a Met"

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 11 2012 09:41 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Chef

Ceetar Oct 11 2012 09:42 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Question 2: Which two players on the 2006 Mets homered from both sides of the plate in the same game?

Edgy MD Oct 11 2012 09:51 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Betran/Reyes

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 11 2012 09:53 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Beltran and JoseJoseJoseJose, no?

Ceetar Oct 11 2012 09:55 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Yeah. All in all, pretty easy questions. (the producer guy actually asked if I wanted full history or just recent stuff. He also asked if I wanted the 3 questions or the lightning round style, so should've gone for the other..) The third question is pretty easy too, even if you don't pay that much attention to numbers. I kicked myself immediately afterwards and realized the right answer, but alas. 3. What number did Bobby Valentine wear as Mets manager?

Edgy MD Oct 11 2012 09:56 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Deuce, naturally.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 11 2012 09:58 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Those number questions can mess you up in a pressure situation-- it's the kind of thing where you'll have it if you relax and let it float to the top of your head, but too much thought/mental work and you'll likely talk yourself into something.

Ceetar Oct 11 2012 10:04 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

I said 12, which of course was Willie Randolph's number. It just seemed so right. The producer said I seemed so sure. I thought I heard him say to someone else after "that was pretty good" and thought that meant for sure I'd get on, but I managed to spot the episode once (It's at a beer festival on Governor's island.) and I wasn't on it. alas. I was the first person to go that day. I'd barely walked in and they flagged me down (I was wearing a Mets shirt, obviously, it was Subway Series weekend. Santana I think.) and asked if I wanted to be on the show. I hadn't even had beer yet. They brought me over to the side and had me sign the waiver stuff or whatever, and then we were off. took like 15 minutes tops. Was introduced to Amber or whatever her name was and off we went. (coincidentally, prettier in person)

Frayed Knot Oct 11 2012 10:10 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

HahnSolo wrote: Not to go all Chris Russo on start times and TV ratings and whatnot, but how can they have a decisive game 5 (featuring a west coast team, mind you) first pitch at 1 PM Eastern? And I know the real answer, that the almighty tv dollar insists the MFYs get the primetime slot. But got that sucks if you are a Giant fan in SF. At the very least, couldn't they have swapped the NL start times, so the Cardinals and Nats would start at 1 instead? Yeah, the first part is definitely the Yanx ruling prime-time forever and ever. The part about the swapped NL starts (exactly the opposite of yesterday while the AL stays the same) I suspect is because MLB knew going into yesterday that there'd be a Nats/Cards game while a Reds/Giants game #5 was still up in the air. So if they're going to "lose" a game they'd prefer it to be the 1PM slot and so giving StL/Wash the 4PM slot means no last-minute time changes no matter what happened to Cin/SF Yeah it sucks for some teams but whatyagonnado? And this is the real reason that they want to go back to the 2-2-1 format next year. Not because of the supposed home-field advantage reason (even though I'm sure that will be often cited) but because it builds in more off days and doesn't saddle them with as many 4-game days.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 11 2012 10:36 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

I like 4-game days!

Frayed Knot Oct 11 2012 10:40 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I like 4-game days! So do I but, from a TV standpoint, I don't believe the league does. Plus I hate the extra off-days that the 2-2-1 brings into play.

Edgy MD Oct 11 2012 10:42 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

HahnSolo Oct 11 2012 10:43 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Frayed Knot wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I like 4-game days! So do I but, from a TV standpoint, I don't believe the league does. Plus I hate the extra off-days that the 2-2-1 brings into play. But they haven't been using a 2nd off day between games 4 and 5, even in the 2-2-1 format, I don't think.

Frayed Knot Oct 11 2012 11:00 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

HahnSolo wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I like 4-game days! So do I but, from a TV standpoint, I don't believe the league does. Plus I hate the extra off-days that the 2-2-1 brings into play. But they haven't been using a 2nd off day between games 4 and 5, even in the 2-2-1 format, I don't think. Maybe not for all of them but they did for most of them and for the ones involving coast-to-coast travel you really have to. Plus, since you never know until game 4 is over whether 5 is going to be necessary, some planned off days get built even if they're never used. Then they even built in extra off-days a couple years ago in the 2nd round LCSs [something like 2 - travel/off - 2 - no travel but off anyway - 1 - travel/off - 2] so as to reduce the number of AL & NL games that occurred on the same day - again for TV purposes. 2009 was the year they used that to the highest degree and it was a large part of what allowed the Yanx to win the WS using like three pitchers the whole post-season.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 11 2012 11:36 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

HahnSolo wrote: Not to go all Chris Russo on start times and TV ratings and whatnot, but how can they have a decisive game 5 (featuring a west coast team, mind you) first pitch at 1 PM Eastern? And I know the real answer, that the almighty tv dollar insists the MFYs get the primetime slot. But got that sucks if you are a Giant fan in SF. At the very least, couldn't they have swapped the NL start times, so the Cardinals and Nats would start at 1 instead? I'd imagine that West-Coast sports fans are used to the wake-and-root, what with NFL start times and whatnot. But still... yes.

HahnSolo Oct 11 2012 11:55 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Frayed Knot wrote: Maybe not for all of them but they did for most of them and for the ones involving coast-to-coast travel you really have to. Plus, since you never know until game 4 is over whether 5 is going to be necessary, some planned off days get built even if they're never used. Then they even built in extra off-days a couple years ago in the 2nd round LCSs [something like 2 - travel/off - 2 - no travel but off anyway - 1 - travel/off - 2] so as to reduce the number of AL & NL games that occurred on the same day - again for TV purposes. 2009 was the year they used that to the highest degree and it was a large part of what allowed the Yanx to win the WS using like three pitchers the whole post-season. I guess I was thinking of 2005 when the Angels had to play a game 4 ALDS in NY, game 5 in Anaheim, then game 1 of the LCS in Chicago, on three straight nights. You're right about the extra days in the LCS, those were a joke.

HahnSolo Oct 11 2012 12:22 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Brandon Crawford triple brings in the game's first run. Top 5, Giants 1-0. Crawford on third with nobody out.

HahnSolo Oct 11 2012 12:26 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

A bouncer by Pagan, misplayed by Cozart, gives the G-Men a 2-0 lead.

MFS62 Oct 11 2012 12:26 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

A Joey Votto sighting! Made me look at the boxes, he played yesterday, too. Did he play for the Reds toward the end of the regular season, in the earlier playoff games, or has he been activated for the playoffs to hopefully give them a Willis Reed moment? Later

HahnSolo Oct 11 2012 12:29 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Came back early September I think. Cain is dealing too. Another run here for the Giants and the Reds are gonna start getting really nervous.

G-Fafif Oct 11 2012 12:33 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Buster Posey very valuable. Grand slam, 6-0.

HahnSolo Oct 11 2012 12:48 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Phillips gets 2 back with a 2-r double. 6-2

HahnSolo Oct 11 2012 01:08 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Ludwick homers leading off the 6th. It's now interesting again, down 6-3.

HahnSolo Oct 11 2012 01:14 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

A Bruce walk and a Rolen single bring the tying run to the plate with nobody out.

HahnSolo Oct 11 2012 01:23 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

strike em out, throw em out with Hannigan up and a Stubbs groundout ends the threat. 6-3 Gmen as we head to the seventh. Cain out.

bmfc1 Oct 11 2012 01:30 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Down three, you need the two runners on base, whether they are on 1st and 2d or 2d and 3d. Baker tried to have Bruce go from 2d to 3d and he got thrown out. To me, that's over-managing.

MFS62 Oct 11 2012 01:32 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

bmfc1 wrote: Down three, you need the two runners on base, whether they are on 1st and 2d or 2d and 3d. Baker tried to have Bruce go from 2d to 3d and he got thrown out. To me, that's over-managing. No. Its just plain dumb. Later

bmfc1 Oct 11 2012 01:42 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

That too. Craig Calcaterra ?@craigcalcaterra Dusty Baker just managed the Reds out of a possible rally http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/ ... ble-rally/ … via @HardballTalk Bay Area Sports Guy ?@BASportsGuy Reds might want to think about hiring a "manager-closer." Let Dusty handle the regular season, then bring in a fresh mind for the playoffs. Chris Carlin ?@ChrisCarlinSNY Dusty might've just ran his team out of the inning. Inexplicable move to send the runners on 3-2 with nobody out.

HahnSolo Oct 11 2012 01:46 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Also didn't help that Hannigan looked at a good pitch. 2- on, 2- out again in the 7th. Ludwick at the dish.

Frayed Knot Oct 11 2012 01:55 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

And Ludwick bounces back to the pitcher. The bigger crime on the bunt play was Hanigan not swinging at a borderline 3-2 pitch when he knew the runners were going. Dusty had started the runners on the previous pitch (pitch fouled off) so it's not like the play came as a surprise to him. Supposedly Hanigan is a contact-type guy [looking it up ... yup, 37 Ks in 300+ ABs] so, if you're going to send the runners he wasn't a bad guy to have up there. Bottom line: I don't love the call as a Reds fan, but I hate the (lack of) execution more

HahnSolo Oct 11 2012 02:18 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

And the tying runs are on for the third consecutive inning...

Frayed Knot Oct 11 2012 02:23 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

HahnSolo wrote: And the tying runs are on for the third consecutive inning... But a sliding catch by Angel Pagan on a sinking liner saves the Giants

Gwreck Oct 11 2012 02:47 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Cozart walk. Votto single. Tying run at the plate for a fourth consecutive inning. Last chance here for Cincinnati...

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 11 2012 02:51 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

2 on tying runs on for Bruce

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 11 2012 02:57 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

This Bruce-Romo showdown is the "I'm Your Captain" of at-bats. It won;t end!

Gwreck Oct 11 2012 02:58 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Epic turn at bat for Bruce. Has fouled 8 pitches off, now full count.

Swan Swan H Oct 11 2012 02:58 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: This Bruce-Romo showdown is the "I'm Your Captain" of at-bats. It won;t end! We need Bochy shirtless and sweaty on top of the dugout.

Gwreck Oct 11 2012 02:59 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Gets him on pitch #12. Now down to Scott Rolen.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 11 2012 02:59 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Berman screws up another call. Had no idea the outfielder the ball was hit to.

Swan Swan H Oct 11 2012 03:00 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Chris Berman is to radio play-by-play what Stephen Hawking is to radio play-by-play.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 11 2012 03:01 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Rolen whiffs, Giants advance.

bmfc1 Oct 11 2012 03:34 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Swan Swan H wrote: Chris Berman is to radio play-by-play what Stephen Hawking is to radio play-by-play. What's pathetic is that ESPN replaced Gary Cohen with Berman.

Frayed Knot Oct 11 2012 03:51 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Berman screws up another call. Had no idea the outfielder the ball was hit to. The only name he could come up with was the Bengals safety but he wasn't sure if that was right so he held off blurting anything out. bmfc1 wrote: What's pathetic is that ESPN replaced Gary Cohen with Berman. The bottom line is that Berman is ESPN's 800 pound gorilla (almost literally - in both senses) meaning that he gets to choose what he wants to do and all other peons must get out of the way. Broadcasting skill and knowledge of baseball don't enter into the equation. Plus he's a SF Giants fan so naturally he chooses that one. AND ... Berman's partner in their 12 hour weekly football-hype/pre-game show Tom Jackson just happened to show up to the broadcast booth during one of the games in Cincy. What are the odds?!? So ESPN got to use an ESPN broadcast property to promote another ESPN upcoming event. How convenient is that?!?

Frayed Knot Oct 11 2012 05:43 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

I was kind of rooting for Cincy here, but I'm starting to get the idea that Mat Latos is a bit of an ass so it was kind of cool to see him as Posey went deep. When some big 6' 7" dude has a bunch of douchey tattoos and you keep hear him being described as "still maturing" and "really intense" you get the opinion that all that is mostly announcer speak for something that rhymes with 'glass bowl'

HahnSolo Oct 12 2012 01:30 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cincinnati v SF

Something I didn't know and learned from last week's SI: Melky Cabrera would have been eligible after SF played their fifth postseason game (game 1 LCS), but team management told him he wasn't welcome. I really wasn't aware how the postseason fit into the 50-game suspension, but I guess I know now.