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IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Frayed Knot Oct 07 2012 02:07 PM

Game 1: Gio Gonzalez vs Adam Wainwright Nats jump out to a 1-0 lead but Gonzalez, suddenly showing some of the wildness that tainted his career in earlier seasons, walks 5 of the first 9 batters he faced including 3 in a row at one point, and it's 2-1 Cards heading for the 3rd.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 07 2012 03:49 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Hell of a catch by Werth in the bottom of the 6th to rob Descalso of a two-run HR and keep it a one-run game. Almost makes up for his leaving six baserunners stranded with two outs today.

Gwreck Oct 07 2012 04:16 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

1st and 3rd, no outs, top of the 8th, Nationals down a run. What does Danny Espinosa do? He bunts. Not a squeeze play, either -- just a bunt. Moves the trail runner from second to third. I thought Davey was doing a better job than that.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 07 2012 04:20 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

What the hell what he thinking? Still, Nats get 2 runs.

Frayed Knot Oct 07 2012 05:25 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Yeah, I'm betting that Espinosa bunted on his own there. Dude had, what, 25 HRs this year? That game moved at the pace of plate tectonics. Having both pitchers up around 100 pitches by the 5th inning had a lot to do with that, but still. One more mound conference and I was going to start peaking under catcher's masks to see if one of the backstops was Jorge Posada in disguise. I was finding myself pulling for the Cardinals during the game. That kind of surprised me.

Ashie62 Oct 07 2012 07:05 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Who is Wilbon rooting for?

Frayed Knot Oct 08 2012 05:15 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Game 2 is 2-1/2 hours old and they're already in the 7th inning!!!! They've got to do something about the pace of these games. 8-3 Cards following a LONG HR by Beltran - although the Nats are threatening. And now 8-4, but the threat is diminished by a dumb base-running move by Harper. Possibly he was weighed down by all that eye-black.

themetfairy Oct 08 2012 05:51 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Beltran's second home run of the game gives the Cardinals an 11-4 lead in the 8th.

Swan Swan H Oct 08 2012 05:58 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Thoroughly enjoying watching the Nats get pasted.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 08 2012 05:59 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Just wish it was by the Pirates instead.

Frayed Knot Oct 08 2012 06:06 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Considering that the Nats had no extra-base hits in game 1, made 2 errors, walked 7, and now haven't gotten good pitching in either game, they're lucky not to be down 2-0 at this point.

Ceetar Oct 08 2012 06:11 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

themetfairy wrote: Beltran's second home run of the game gives the Cardinals an 11-4 lead in the 8th. That guy is so freaking awesome.

Frayed Knot Oct 08 2012 06:16 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Ceetar wrote: themetfairy wrote: Beltran's second home run of the game gives the Cardinals an 11-4 lead in the 8th. That guy is so freaking awesome. On the plus side, Wheeler will probably be among the top 5-10 pitching prospects going into next year.

Edgy MD Oct 08 2012 07:09 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Ceetar wrote: themetfairy wrote: Beltran's second home run of the game gives the Cardinals an 11-4 lead in the 8th. That guy is so freaking awesome. Yeah, but he never does it when it counts. Yeah, well, NOW he does it when it counts, now that he's out of New York. The hater is ready for you either way.

Ceetar Oct 08 2012 07:23 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Edgy DC wrote: Beltran's second home run of the game gives the Cardinals an 11-4 lead in the 8th. That guy is so freaking awesome. Yeah, but he never does it when it counts. Yeah, well, NOW he does it when it counts, now that he's out of New York. The hater is ready for you either way. That's why we have block buttons. :-D

Frayed Knot Oct 08 2012 07:57 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Beltran, btw, becomes the first guy to hit two HRs in a post-season game for three different teams. But, y'know, never when it was needed.

Frayed Knot Oct 10 2012 11:54 AM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

[u:31ph9ga5]GAME 3[/u:31ph9ga5] Chris Carpenter vs Edwin Jackson Cards get 6 hits from their first spin around the line-up and lead 4-0 after 1-1/2 3R HR from Pete Kozma is the big blow. Kozma is one of those guys that seem to almost always pop up on winning teams. Hitting .214 and then .233 with no particular power during two seasons of AAA ball, he was called up on Aug 31 to replace the injured Rafael Furcal and hit .333/.383/.569 in the majors. The '93 Phils had the same thing with Kevin Stocker. He was never as good in the minors, or even for the rest of his majors career, as he was for that 2nd half of the '93 season.

Frayed Knot Oct 10 2012 01:34 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Nats keep getting chances to get back into it, but also keep leaving runners all over the place. They've had at least three different two-out/two-on ABs but are oh-fer in all of them. 5-0 Cards top of 7

Mets – Willets Point Oct 10 2012 01:41 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Bleepin' Cardinals. They shouldn't even be in the playoffs.

bmfc1 Oct 10 2012 02:08 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

http://espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs/2012/st ... -nationals How the hell is this guy still a major league ump? I guess he's going to write a book with Espinosa.

Frayed Knot Oct 10 2012 02:19 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Joyce has had at least five different 'Bang-Bang' calls at 1st today and the Espinosa one (which was quite close and discernible only after slo-mo replay) appears to be the only one he missed. Implying, as AP/ESPN does by first running that piece and then linking it to the Galaraga play and the blown IFR call from last week, that this is part of a larger pattern is both a cheap shot at Joyce and is pretending to see a trend where none exists.

Swan Swan H Oct 10 2012 02:23 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 10 2012 02:30 PM

8-0 Cardinals. Stomp on their necks. Make the tears run into their excessively applied eye-black. oe: Christ, I can't type.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 10 2012 02:27 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Swan Swan H wrote: 8-0 Cardinals. Stop on their necks. Make the tears run into their excessively applied eye-black. lol

HahnSolo Oct 10 2012 02:42 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Frayed Knot wrote: GAME 3 Kozma is one of those guys that seem to almost always pop up on winning teams. Hitting .214 and then .233 with no particular power during two seasons of AAA ball, he was called up on Aug 31 to replace the injured Rafael Furcal and hit .333/.383/.569 in the majors. The '93 Phils had the same thing with Kevin Stocker. He was never as good in the minors, or even for the rest of his majors career, as he was for that 2nd half of the '93 season. The Cardinals are starting to remind me a bit of the Torre Yanks in this way (Ledee, Spencer, Small, Chacon, Curtis, etc.).

Frayed Knot Oct 10 2012 02:52 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Like I said, winning teams almost always have one of those - it's part of why they become winning teams. But, yeah, that doesn't change the fact that I could go on and on (as could most of us here) about the MFYs getting out-of-nowhere contributions exactly when they needed it from guys who were never as good either before or after but I try to avoid it because it sounds too much like sour grapes even though I'm convinced they got more of it than anyone. Gooden having his only good stretch as a Yanqui match up almost perfectly with Cone's absence when he had his aneurysm surgery is just one example.

Ceetar Oct 10 2012 02:55 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Frayed Knot wrote: Like I said, winning teams almost always have one of those - it's part of why they become winning teams. But, yeah, that doesn't change the fact that I could go on and on (as could most of us here) about the MFYs getting out-of-nowhere contributions exactly when they needed it from guys who were never as good either before or after but I try to avoid it because it sounds too much like sour grapes even though I'm convinced they got more of it than anyone. Gooden having his only good stretch as a Yanqui match up almost perfectly with Cone's absence when he had his aneurysm surgery is just one example. Aaron Small and Shawn Chacon winning like 18 of 20 games they pitched in..2007?

Frayed Knot Oct 10 2012 03:07 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Y'see, now you're getting me started. GlenAllen Hill in 2000. A power hitter at one point but also a 35 y/o .270 career hitter who suddenly hits .333 as a Yank with 16 HRs in 132 ABs (after hitting .262 w/11 HRs in more ABs with the Cubs in the first half of the season). The following season (w/Anaheim) he hit .116 with ONE HR and was released at the end of May never to play in the majors again.

Swan Swan H Oct 10 2012 03:17 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

FK, why wouldn't they respond when they donned the pinstripes? They all got to play under the leadership of the greatest captain since Hornblower, or at least Stubing. Maybe Kangaroo.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 10 2012 03:19 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

It may be this Armstrong stuff I'm reading now but I have a good idea of what's happening there.

Ceetar Oct 10 2012 03:44 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: It may be this Armstrong stuff I'm reading now but I have a good idea of what's happening there. Are you suggesting that the greatest city on earth and the team with the highest payroll might know the best ways to get an edge? What also helps, at least for the hitters, is that when you want to give the old guys a handicap, just like you would a child, you move the walls in. Getting to play at Yankee Stadium is like playing on the kiddie field.

G-Fafif Oct 10 2012 03:50 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Ceetar wrote: Aaron Small and Shawn Chacon winning like 18 of 20 games they pitched in..2007? 2005 -- also when they pulled washed-up Marlin Al Leiter off the scrap heap and drained useful innings out of him.

Ceetar Oct 10 2012 03:54 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

G-Fafif wrote: Ceetar wrote: Aaron Small and Shawn Chacon winning like 18 of 20 games they pitched in..2007? 2005 -- also when they pulled washed-up Marlin Al Leiter off the scrap heap and drained useful innings out of him. I'd forgotten he pitched for them that year. actually, looks like not well.

Ashie62 Oct 10 2012 04:08 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Strasburg Strasburg Strasburg......Dumbasses...

Frayed Knot Oct 10 2012 06:07 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Graeme Lloyd in 1996 The Yanx got him in a trade late in the year from Milwaukee and he pitched so poorly [11 runs on 12 hits + 5 walks over 5.2 IPs] that Steinbrenner complained to the Commissioner's office that he had been tricked, that Lloyd was damaged goods and he wanted the trade un-done. That attempt naturally failed and the Yanx were forced to use Lloyd in the post-season. Once there Lloyd pitched 5-1/3 innings over the three rounds giving up just 1 single They actually had a few back of the pen guys with similar stories (lousy going into the playoffs, then unhittable) that year, Lloyd was only the most extreme example.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 10 2012 09:07 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Ashie62 wrote: Strasburg Strasburg Strasburg......Dumbasses... I don't understand why everyone's making such a big deal about shutting Strasburg down for the playoffs. I mean, he's only missing four games.

Edgy MD Oct 10 2012 11:03 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

You want a civilian informant to snitch on the Yankee operation, Matt Lawton is your man.

G-Fafif Oct 11 2012 05:52 AM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Nats fans (all of whom, based on every feature story I've read, are related to Walter Johnson), taking it in stride. If you didn’t know any better, you’d assume this was New York. Or Philadelphia. Maybe Detroit. The kind of city where baseball fans are accustomed to postseason games, and sometimes seeing the home team get raked in said games, and subsequently heading home in an early, desultory huff, the better to vent and wail on sports talk radio. Thing is, nobody here seemed particularly perturbed. Not in the overstuffed silver subway cars. Not in the upper-deck seats above left field, where Nationals fans Hank Thomas and Mike Grieb sat directly behind the Plexiglas safety shield, watching the on-field shellacking and off-site exodus with a mix of mild denial and rapid acceptance, long-jumping from stage one to stage five on the Kubler-Ross scale of grief. “Tomorrow is another day,” Thomas said with a shrug. Get perturbed, people. You're on the brink.

Edgy MD Oct 11 2012 06:34 AM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Hank Thomas is the man. He's also a Washingtonian, and so works hard at staying off ledges.

Gwreck Oct 11 2012 05:06 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Jason Werth walk-off homer wins game 4 for the Nationals. I want them to win the series...but not this way. I feel dirty now.

Frayed Knot Oct 11 2012 05:35 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

MLB gets at least three game-fives in the first round. Let's hope they get a fourth.

HahnSolo Oct 11 2012 06:23 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Gwreck wrote: Jason Werth walk-off homer wins game 4 for the Nationals. I want them to win the series...but not this way. I feel dirty now. Really, though, you knew Werth was going to do something there leading off, didn't you. Maybe not a walk-off, but I had every belief he'd get on base and start something.

Frayed Knot Oct 11 2012 08:32 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

After all our complaining today about how the Yanx always get the 8:00 game, Game 5 in this series will actually be in prime time on Friday while the MFY/Balt game (if there is one) gets shifted to the late afternoon slot -- most likely because,as of now, the NL tilt is the only one they KNOW will be need to be played.

HahnSolo Oct 12 2012 07:27 AM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Frayed Knot wrote: After all our complaining today about how the Yanx always get the 8:00 game, Game 5 in this series will actually be in prime time on Friday while the MFY/Balt game (if there is one) gets shifted to the late afternoon slot -- most likely because,as of now, the NL tilt is the only one they KNOW will be need to be played. I think the reason the AL game is in the afternoon is because ALCS game 1 is starting Saturday giving whoever has to travel at least a couple extra hours.

Ceetar Oct 12 2012 07:29 AM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

HahnSolo wrote: After all our complaining today about how the Yanx always get the 8:00 game, Game 5 in this series will actually be in prime time on Friday while the MFY/Balt game (if there is one) gets shifted to the late afternoon slot -- most likely because,as of now, the NL tilt is the only one they KNOW will be need to be played. I think the reason the AL game is in the afternoon is because ALCS game 1 is starting Saturday giving whoever has to travel at least a couple extra hours. but it's Orioles Yankees so it'll go 4 hours anyway. good happy hour time though...drawback is that the guy I go to Happy Hours with is a Yankees fan.

Ashie62 Oct 12 2012 06:55 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Wright could not have liked Zimmerman crushing in the post season.

Frayed Knot Oct 12 2012 08:27 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

[u:10y6b5o3]Game 5[/u:10y6b5o3] Gio, handed a big lead early off a bevy of Nats XBHs, is getting walk-happy again and is in danger of giving it all back with the game not yet half over. No way can we give this bozo the CY award. oe: gets out of potentially worse trouble. 6-3 Nats, mid-5th

metsguyinmichigan Oct 12 2012 10:02 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Beltran is just a post-season monster!

Frayed Knot Oct 12 2012 10:15 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Thole Shit!!

metsguyinmichigan Oct 12 2012 10:15 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Stinking Nationals....

themetfairy Oct 12 2012 10:16 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Despite the Nats' insurance run in the bottom of the 8th, the Cardinals have tied the game 7-7 in the 9th.

themetfairy Oct 12 2012 10:18 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Make that 9-7 Cards in the 9th.

Frayed Knot Oct 12 2012 10:18 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Time to start rooting for that Giants-Tigers WS

metsguyinmichigan Oct 12 2012 10:20 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Incredible! How do the Cards pull this stuff time and time again?

Ceetar Oct 12 2012 10:20 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Incredible! How do the Cards pull this stuff time and time again? #blamebeltran.

Frayed Knot Oct 12 2012 10:21 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Who do the Nats think they are, the 2007 Mets? Get a big lead early then try and sit on it for the final six innings. Shit, after all the runners the Cards left on the bases over the middle innings, the Nats are lucky not to be down by more at this point.

Frayed Knot Oct 12 2012 10:23 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Top of the order for the Nats, just like it was for the Cards in the top of the inning.

themetfairy Oct 12 2012 10:29 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

And the Nats collapse is complete.

Frayed Knot Oct 12 2012 10:29 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Wow! What a kick in the gut for the Nationals.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 12 2012 10:31 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

wow.

Frayed Knot Oct 12 2012 10:33 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

The on-field mikes just caught some fan yelling; "Gotta get rid of Drew [Storen]" I wonder if Kozma gets called "Kramer" by any of his teammates? Nah, they're probably all too young.

Mets – Willets Point Oct 12 2012 10:39 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Ceetar wrote: metsguyinmichigan wrote: Incredible! How do the Cards pull this stuff time and time again? #blamebeltran. Blame Bud for "the shitty teams can get into the playoffs on a coinflip" rule.

Edgy MD Oct 13 2012 05:47 AM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Left the restaurant last night at 6-1. Until just now, I thought the Nats had won.

Ceetar Oct 13 2012 06:21 AM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Mets – Willets Point wrote: Ceetar wrote: metsguyinmichigan wrote: Incredible! How do the Cards pull this stuff time and time again? #blamebeltran. Blame Bud for "the shitty teams can get into the playoffs on a coinflip" rule. Cardinals aren't a shitty team. The Nationals had their chances but they got outpitched and outplayed despite having plenty of time to set up their rotation and rest guys and what not. And that certainly could've happened if it was the Braves, or the Giants too. If the Cardinals really are the "5th best" team in the playoffs, that's even more of an advantage for the Nats, who still couldn't do anything with it. so sad. Maybe if they'd had one more good pitcher...

Frayed Knot Oct 13 2012 11:28 AM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

Swan Swan H wrote: Boy, am I sorry I missed the end of this one. I went to bed assuming the Nats had won and woke up to see this. The highlights cannot do it justice. You could almost see it creeping up on them as Gonzalez started laboring and getting a bit wild: 29 of 46 strikes in innings 1-3; but only 25 of 53 in innings 4 & 5 Then when the Cards got single runs in the 7th & 8th to close within one it looked like it was really on then. But, even then, they missed some opportunities to get more, and when the Nats tacked on a 2-out insurance run in bottom 8 you figured they were safe - Then Beltran doubled to start the 9th ... Storen followed that up by getting the next two outs ... but then came the two straight killer walks on 3-2 pitches ... and then the two straight 2-RBI singles which changed the stadium from real loud to real quiet real quickly In all Storen had I think it was 8 different 2-strikes counts where the next pitch could have ended the game in favor of the Nats without defense, chance, or bad luck even getting involved. Obviously he converted none of them. The 'Win Probability' numbers at BB-Ref had the Cards at 7% when the inning started. It jumped to 16% with Beltran's double, but then fell to 9% & 4% with the first and second outs. The walks then sent it to 8% then 14%, and the singles to 50% then 92% And (not sure if the hi-lights showed this) I don't want to say that Harper was a bit over-anxious in the bottom of the inning, but the 3rd strike he swung at for the 2nd and penultimate (I love that word) out in the game was about a foot over his head.

bmfc1 Oct 13 2012 11:56 AM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

I wanted the Nationals to lose but boy do I feel sorry for my Nationals friends today--what a stomach punch. Good highlight package: http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.js ... mode=video and local reaction that the station probably regrets--23 seconds (the CBS station broke into Letterman for fan reaction): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcNe-USn ... e=youtu.be

Ceetar Oct 13 2012 12:09 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

and supposedly an automated email from the Nats about the WS presale went out early this morning.

HahnSolo Oct 13 2012 01:25 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

You know, as crushing as the bullpen meltdown is, if I were a Nat fan I'd be irked that Gio couldn't give me more after being staked to a 6-0 lead.

Frayed Knot Oct 13 2012 01:52 PM Re: IST NLDS - Nationals & Cardinals

HahnSolo wrote: You know, as crushing as the bullpen meltdown is, if I were a Nat fan I'd be irked that Gio couldn't give me more after being staked to a 6-0 lead. Plus they were lucky to have won the first game he pitched. In the end it was the worst of both worlds for them: not having Strasburg AND having the de facto #1 behind him (who actually had a better season overall) stumble trying to fill the role.