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NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

Frayed Knot Oct 14 2012 09:23 PM

[u:2jnmlqnq]Game 1[/u:2jnmlqnq] Bumgarner got his ass kicked early on and the Cards had a 6-0 lead. 2R HRs from Freese & Beltran But then the Gigantes clawed back against Lance Lynn to get to 6-4 but have since stalled against a parade of pen guys. 6-4 Cards top 9 in SF

Swan Swan H Oct 15 2012 06:28 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

[u:1552bvk3]Game 2[/u:1552bvk3] Holliday buries Scutaro with a very late slide/roll block in the first. Pagan leads off the bottom half with a solo homer. 1-0 Jints.

Swan Swan H Oct 15 2012 07:39 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

Scutaro, who survived the Holliday slide, steps up with the bases loaded and lines one into left-center, and Holliday lets it do through his legs to clear the bases. Karma, or just a lousy outfielder? 5-1 Giants, bottom of the 4th.

Frayed Knot Oct 15 2012 07:54 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

I vote for lousy outfielder.

Frayed Knot Oct 15 2012 08:31 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

The Giants get the one-time lead singer from 'Tower of Power' to sign GBA during the 7th inning stretch but don't have Victor Conte out there backing him on bass? I guess that wouldn't have gone over too well in Selig's office.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 15 2012 08:43 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

Ooh, the bossman no likin' (at Bud City) The blood pressure be spikin' (at Bud City)

Frayed Knot Oct 15 2012 09:05 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

And now Scutaro's replacement puts down the hammer with a 2-run single in the 8th. 7-1 Giants and still batting.

metirish Oct 16 2012 05:49 AM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 16 2012 06:00 AM

Rooting hard here for the Giants, screw Holliday, that was a dirty takeout,Scutaro is lucky his leg wasn't snapped. Loved when he got the hit and then Holliday kicked it.

Ceetar Oct 16 2012 05:53 AM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

metirish wrote: Rooting hard here for the Giants, screw Holliday, that was a dirty takeout,Scutaro is lucky his leg want snapped. Loved when he got the hit and then Holliday kicked it. is it just the small sample i watch Hollliday, or is he really that bad an outfielder?

Frayed Knot Oct 16 2012 06:48 AM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

We had an ongoing argument/discussion about that here back the year he and Bay were both FAs. Not that I recall anyone taking the 'Bay = better overall' position, but how much worse Holliday's defense was (or wasn't) was one of the factors being thrown into the mix. He had made a bad error that October too so the topic was fresh in everyone's mind with some taking the position that he was usually pretty bad (I was on that side IIRC) while others claimed that he was, at worst, adequate and that his rep was being blown up by that one recent high-profile gaff. I still vote for notably below average even within the universe of LFers who, as a whole, aren't exactly known for their glove work.

Ceetar Oct 16 2012 07:09 AM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

Frayed Knot wrote: We had an ongoing argument/discussion about that here back the year he and Bay were both FAs. Not that I recall anyone taking the 'Bay = better overall' position, but how much worse Holliday's defense was (or wasn't) was one of the factors being thrown into the mix. He had made a bad error that October too so the topic was fresh in everyone's mind with some taking the position that he was usually pretty bad (I was on that side IIRC) while others claimed that he was, at worst, adequate and that his rep was being blown up by that one recent high-profile gaff. I still vote for notably below average even within the universe of LFers who, as a whole, aren't exactly known for their glove work. maybe he can be a DH for Bay one day.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 16 2012 07:45 AM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

My point in this debate iirc, was that Holliday appeared to me to be an unlikely get for Omar who for all his faults appeared to value outfielders who could catch. The impression I had of Holliday then and now is not that he's a butcher, but that he's kinda clumsy. Of course he was a better offensive player than Bay and a better bet to avoid a decline but I'm just thinking if Omar had two outfielders to choose from who were somewhat comparable, he'd choose the one with the better glove (to the scout's eye, not to metrics necessarily) even if he gives up in other areas.

Ceetar Oct 16 2012 07:57 AM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: My point in this debate iirc, was that Holliday appeared to me to be an unlikely get for Omar who for all his faults appeared to value outfielders who could catch. The impression I had of Holliday then and now is not that he's a butcher, but that he's kinda clumsy. Of course he was a better offensive player than Bay and a better bet to avoid a decline but I'm just thinking if Omar had two outfielders to choose from who were somewhat comparable, he'd choose the one with the better glove (to the scout's eye, not to metrics necessarily) even if he gives up in other areas. I don't know if it was just bluster, but supposedly they did run some internal metrics that suggested Bay would be a good fit. And hell, I thought he was the better sign, they didn't need a super star, just a slugger and the shorter commitment seemed like a good idea. 100 home runs over 4 years would've been just fine. overpaid, but very helpful. Now it's clearly one of the worst Mets contracts ever but this is far beyond even what people against the signing thought would happen.

Mets – Willets Point Oct 16 2012 08:50 AM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

Frayed Knot wrote: The Giants get the one-time lead singer from 'Tower of Power' to sign GBA during the 7th inning stretch but don't have Victor Conte out there backing him on bass? I guess that wouldn't have gone over too well in Selig's office. Barry Bonds' favorite band.

Frayed Knot Oct 17 2012 02:56 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

[u:1r8b8l91]Game 3[/u:1r8b8l91] Lohse vs Cain and they say it might rain. And that's not just there for the rhyme, it's actually supposed to at some point and could interrupt the game, although they're OK so far. Giants score one in top 3 Beltran took one AB, hit into a DP, and left the game with apparent knee problems. He's had a great year but we always knew there was a downside to his signing too.

Frayed Knot Oct 17 2012 03:05 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

And so, in typical StL post-season fortune, Beltran's replacement (the hitting Carpenter on their team) goes deep in his first AB with a man on and it's 2-1 Cards.

Frayed Knot Oct 17 2012 08:15 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

NL game is back on anyway ... after like a four hour delay 3-1 Cards in the 8th

MFS62 Oct 17 2012 09:53 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

Cards win, and Beltran is listed day-to-day with a "sprained knee". Later

Mets – Willets Point Oct 18 2012 08:05 AM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

If this is leading to a rematch of the 1968 World Series, then I hope next year we see a rematch of the 1969 World Series.

Gwreck Oct 18 2012 08:42 AM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

The Cardinals and Tigers also matched up in 2006 (I know, probably no one here watched that one).

Mets – Willets Point Oct 18 2012 10:32 AM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

Gwreck wrote: The Cardinals and Tigers also matched up in 2006 (I know, probably no one here watched that one). Apparently I expunged that from my memory. I'm operating on the belief that if the Tigers win the World Series a Mets championship will follow in 1 to 2 years.

Frayed Knot Oct 18 2012 12:51 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

[u:d247yjpz]Game 4[/u:d247yjpz] 8:00 tonight. Anytime in the last five years, telling SF Giant fans that Tim Lincecum was going to be out there while their season was pretty much on the line would have been a good thing. Right now, though, it's pretty iffy even as he's been good in relief forcrissakes lately. Wainwright for the Cards Prediction: Some peanut vendor from section 356 will be called out of the stands and get an important hit with runners on for StL.

Edgy MD Oct 18 2012 03:58 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

Ceetar wrote: Now it's clearly one of the worst Mets contracts ever but this is far beyond even what people against the signing thought would happen. He could somehow produce next year, but as we stand now, it's number one with a bullet, no?

Frayed Knot Oct 18 2012 05:31 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

Gwreck wrote: The Cardinals and Tigers also matched up in 2006 (I know, probably no one here watched that one). That was the one where the Tigers finished up the ALCS early and had a week to sit around waiting for the NL winner. And then once the WS did start their pitchers made a ton of errors and virtually handed the Cards the series. The odd part about the whole thing was that Leyland had used that week off to do something that teams almost never do once the season starts; he had them working on pitchers fielding practice.

Frayed Knot Oct 18 2012 08:25 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

Last year it was Allen Craig and David Freese who nobody much had heard of prior to them starring in the post-season for StL This year it's Pete Kozma and Daniel DiScalso who nobody had much heard of before this year and now nobody can get them out. None of these guys are all that young or had a great amateur/minor league pedigree coming in, they just started succeeding once they got there.

Frayed Knot Oct 19 2012 08:11 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

Anybody here have Barry Zito taking his AB in the 7th inning? Yeah, I didn't think so and I didn't either, but he just did. I mean, sure, he struck out, but just the fact that he took it was certainly unforeseeable. 4-0 Giants in top 7 -- although the Cards just brought in this Rosenthal guy and he's K'd 4 in a row on like 13 pitches and now gets an infield pop from Pagan. Giants have been throwing around the leather in this game.

Centerfield Oct 19 2012 08:12 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

Watching my first game of post-season NL baseball tonight. I am suddenly overcome with an irrational rage that Carlos Beltran is no longer a Met. I'm trying to replay the events in my head how two productive Mets (Beltran and Reyes) are wearing different colors. I see why old men mutter to themselves.

Lefty Specialist Oct 21 2012 06:31 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

Chris Carpenter looks like Mike Pelfrey with a beard. He's pitching like him, too.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 21 2012 08:35 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

So Vogelsong's your MVP if the Giants take this, yes? (With additional consideration paid to Scutaro and Fat Panda.) Who you got on the Cards side? Beltran? Wainwright if he does a solid 6 tomorrow? Matt Carpenter in part-time duty?

Frayed Knot Oct 21 2012 09:03 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

So this is great! We/MLB get every series going to the maximum ... except of course for the one (heh, heh) that went the minimum.

Frayed Knot Oct 22 2012 02:56 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

Pulling hard for the Giants to take this one tonight (assuming the rain holds off) even though I suspect I'll be going against my NL roots and backing the Tigers in the WS. Preferences among the remaining: Tigers Giants ********* Cardinals

Vic Sage Oct 22 2012 03:02 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

i get why SF over StL, but why Tigers over Giants?

themetfairy Oct 22 2012 03:36 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

Vic Sage wrote: i get why SF over StL, but why Tigers over Giants? Gratitude

Frayed Knot Oct 22 2012 04:43 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

Yeah, gratitude is part of it. Also just as a change of pace; Tigers haven't won in a while and the city of Detroit could use a win itself. But it's not a strong feeling one way or the other and sometimes in series like this (assuming it comes off) I just start watching and almost unconsciously find myself pulling for one side, so I still could wind up going for the Giants on this one. Definitely Tigers over Cards though if that turns out to be the match-up.

Gwreck Oct 22 2012 05:21 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

Vic Sage wrote: i get why SF over StL, but why Tigers over Giants? 2011 - Cardinals 2010 - Giants

Kong76 Oct 22 2012 06:26 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

Frayed Knot wrote: Tigers haven't won in a while and the city of Detroit could use a win itself. They need some riots and overturned burning cars and other celebratory stuff.

Frayed Knot Oct 22 2012 07:33 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

There's been a lot of stuff going on in this series ... but close games haven't been among them. Cards can't do anything right right now.

Ashie62 Oct 22 2012 08:16 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

Its over

Ceetar Oct 22 2012 08:20 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

Ashie62 wrote: Its over They should probably stop wasting pitchers and get off the field then.

Frayed Knot Oct 22 2012 08:20 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

I'm with Cain here, I wouldn't have taken Cain out either.

Ashie62 Oct 22 2012 08:49 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

Ceetar wrote: Ashie62 wrote: Its over They should probably stop wasting pitchers and get off the field then. No....means I can turn the tv assface...

Frayed Knot Oct 22 2012 08:54 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

The only ugly part of that stadium out in SF is those goofy cartoon cars out on the left field wall. That they even become part of a varying height of the wall itself makes it even worse.

Ceetar Oct 22 2012 08:57 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

Look, Erin Andrews is a reallllly bad baseball sideline reporter. It's probably just because she hasn't watched a game or been part of a broadcast until the postseason, but either way she adds nothing to the broadcast if you're going to talk to her without putting her on the screen.

Frayed Knot Oct 22 2012 09:11 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

Would it be wrong for FOX to put her inside a keyhole-shaped border superimposed around her each time they put her on screen? It would, wouldn't it?

Ceetar Oct 22 2012 09:13 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

Frayed Knot wrote: Would it be wrong for FOX to put her inside a keyhole-shaped border superimposed around her each time they put her on screen? It would, wouldn't it? It would be wrong, but it's not something I think FOX would shy away from doing if they wanted to.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 22 2012 09:34 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

Grand slam single weather

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 22 2012 09:37 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

Holy Mole-y, Beltran walks as the potential final out.

Frayed Knot Oct 22 2012 09:37 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

Bochy's got to be kidding me with these pitching changes!! Are the Cards really coming up with 9 runs before the next out because the Giants had the wrong pitching match-up out there?

Ceetar Oct 22 2012 09:38 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

Frayed Knot wrote: Bochy's got to be kidding me with these pitching changes!! Are the Cards really coming up with 9 runs before the next out because the Giants had the wrong pitcher out there? Might've been a "well, we're breaking for mound repair anyway change' but probably not. John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Grand slam single weather Never rained this hard that I remember. steady wet drizzle for most of extra innings though.

Frayed Knot Oct 22 2012 09:40 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 22 2012 09:41 PM

Problem is, he risks delaying the end of this game for maybe an hour or more if he stalls too long. ... although the good part is that at least they don't have to go anywhere afterward. They're the home team for games 1 & 2

MFS62 Oct 22 2012 09:41 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

Changing pitchers, a tribute to LaRussa. Later

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 22 2012 09:43 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

Look how happy Angel Pagan is.

Frayed Knot Oct 22 2012 09:44 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Look how happy Angel Pagan is. I think he was dancing Gangham Style

Gwreck Oct 22 2012 09:48 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

Ceetar wrote: Look, Erin Andrews is a reallllly bad baseball sideline reporter. It's probably just because she hasn't watched a game or been part of a broadcast until the postseason, but either way she adds nothing to the broadcast if you're going to talk to her without putting her on the screen. Nothing to say about what Ken Rosenthal looks like?

Ceetar Oct 22 2012 09:53 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

Gwreck wrote: Ceetar wrote: Look, Erin Andrews is a reallllly bad baseball sideline reporter. It's probably just because she hasn't watched a game or been part of a broadcast until the postseason, but either way she adds nothing to the broadcast if you're going to talk to her without putting her on the screen. Nothing to say about what Ken Rosenthal looks like? I'm convinced Rosenthal is just a more human looking version of that robot Fox uses for the NFL. His gimmick is different bow ties. hat tip to the programmers.

seawolf17 Oct 23 2012 07:30 AM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

Frayed Knot wrote: Bochy's got to be kidding me with these pitching changes!! Are the Cards really coming up with 9 runs before the next out because the Giants had the wrong pitching match-up out there? League rules say his Closer™ must be out there for the final out.

Mets – Willets Point Oct 23 2012 09:14 AM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Look how happy Angel Pagan is. My adoptee makes it the World Series. (My other adoptee Yusmeiro Petit appeared in one game for the Giants this season).

Ashie62 Oct 23 2012 11:35 AM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Look how happy Angel Pagan is. Free agent to be...

Frayed Knot Oct 23 2012 01:28 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

Kyle Lohse, also a free agent to be. Less happy.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 23 2012 01:48 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

cool slomo [url]http://webusers.npl.illinois.edu/~a-nathan/pob/PenceTripleDouble.html

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 24 2012 07:52 AM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

Tracky with the exclusive on Angel Pagan crapping his pants in the outfield last year, leading to his trade. [url]http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/mets-angel-wings-article-1.1190760

Ceetar Oct 24 2012 07:59 AM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Tracky with the exclusive on Angel Pagan crapping his pants in the outfield last year, leading to his trade. [url]http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/mets-angel-wings-article-1.1190760 Geeze, good way to shit on a player a year later.

Edgy MD Oct 26 2012 03:02 PM Re: NLCS -- Cards vs Giants -- IST

Requisite pile of hateful postings following the article. Nice!