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A-Rod poll

October 2012

1 votes

Sometime in 2013

1 votes

2014

3 votes

2015

3 votes

2016

3 votes

2017 (plays out the full contract)

8 votes

Frayed Knot Oct 12 2012 12:19 PM

A bit of a goofy, off-the-wall question here which could take years before we know the actual answer at which point we'll have probably forgotten all about this stupid thread, BUT ... When does Alex Rodriguez play his final game in a MFY uniform? For a little background, his current deal runs through 2017 with salaries of: $28mil (in 2013), $25 in '14, $21 in '15, $20 in '16, $20 in '17 (at least the Yanx learned their lesson about back-loading) There are also a bunch of goofy performance clauses that really don't mean much here except that he gets various piles of cash in exchange for "marketing agreements" after reaching HRs # 660, 714, 755, & 762. He currently is sitting on 647 and has slugged a whopping 34 over the last two seasons combined. So at this rate he'll probably catch Mays next year around ... oh let's say late September, but that's only if he stays healthy. But does the PH-ing swaps this week and the (at minimum) one-game benching tonight forever harm (despite all the happy talk) his relationship with his manager and with the Yanx? On the other hand, can they afford (in both dollars and rep) to just get rid of him? And if so who takes him? Or will they just at some point cut him? Or is this year just a fluke caused by an injury and a bounce-back is in his future? Or are these injuries simply the beginning of the end and he'll be forced to retire before the Steinbrenners can get around to axing him? These and other questions all need to be considered as you weigh the options as to when the Pinstripe Empire and Sir Alex of Rodrigia part company.

Edgy MD Oct 12 2012 12:23 PM Re: A-Rod poll

I don't know. I see a lot of drama this off-season, especially if the Yanks lose today, and it certainly could culminate with A-Rod going to Cleveland or Atlanta or somesuch with the Yanks eating a money sandwich. Maybe Denver. Yipes.

Mets – Willets Point Oct 12 2012 12:23 PM Re: A-Rod poll

I think I predicted back in 2000 that A-Rod would become a Met around 2014.

Gwreck Oct 12 2012 12:26 PM Re: A-Rod poll

The Yankees can always cut him but I can't forsee any situation -- prior to 2017 at the earliest -- where the Yankees would not have to eat 90% of the remaining money. I put my vote in for "plays out the contract." I expect him to be a part-time player by then - DHing against lefty pitchers only -- but still in the Bronx.

Ceetar Oct 12 2012 12:26 PM Re: A-Rod poll

Edgy DC wrote: I don't know. I see a lot of drama this off-season, especially if the Yanks lose today, and it certainly could culminate with A-Rod going to Cleveland or Atlanta or somesuch with the Yanks eating a money sandwich. Maybe Denver. Yipes. I want him to go to Seattle so that he can go into the Hall as a Mariner. But I suspect he finishes out the contract, mostly as a part time DH type guy.

metirish Oct 12 2012 12:44 PM Re: A-Rod poll

You look at the money left and marvel that the Red Sox got rid of their high earners and didn't eat anything. I can't see him going anywhere without most of the money being paid, like has already been stated.

Swan Swan H Oct 12 2012 12:46 PM Re: A-Rod poll

Overpriced guy, iffy attitude, production falling off - sounds like a perfect fit for the new Dodgers regime. OE: I guess this is the flip side of what Irish wrote.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 12 2012 01:15 PM Re: A-Rod poll

Put down the MFY's for inclusion in the Fall of 2013 David Wright sweepstakes.

metsguyinmichigan Oct 12 2012 01:32 PM Re: A-Rod poll

They're stuck with him!

Benjamin Grimm Oct 12 2012 01:44 PM Re: A-Rod poll

Trade Jason Bay for him. The Mets need to extend their horizon of bloated unmovable contracts.

bmfc1 Oct 12 2012 02:40 PM Re: A-Rod poll

A. Rodriguez for Murphy + 125 million of A. Rodriguez's 130 million contract until it expires.

Frayed Knot Oct 12 2012 03:35 PM Re: A-Rod poll

I have no idea how to answer this question either. Mainly I just put this up to start the conversation when I realized how this whole topic not only isn't going away anytime soon but that the events of this week bring them to the forefront much quicker than I anticipated. I mean, if the Yanx win today the very first question in the post-game is whether he'll be in the line-up on Saturday. And if they lose (heh, heh) what his role will be and what his relationship with Girardi and with his teammates is going to be the overriding topic of the baseball winter and the first thing brought up when ST starts. And it's one thing when an increasingly below his value player has 162 games left on his contract (Bay) but it's quite another when one has five times that length left with a deal that is worth between seven and eight times as much.

Mets – Willets Point Oct 12 2012 06:15 PM Re: A-Rod poll

I'm hoping that A-Rod is a hitting machine the next four games while the rest of his team is a hitless, error-prone, gopher-ball surrendering mess as the Tigers sweep.

Kong76 Oct 12 2012 06:26 PM Re: A-Rod poll

He needs a new drug ... He'll find one and be comeback player of the year in 2013.

Fman99 Oct 12 2012 06:31 PM Re: A-Rod poll

I voted with my heart, which says he has a monster 2016 and re-ups for five more awful years after that.

smg58 Oct 12 2012 07:03 PM Re: A-Rod poll

He won't retire unless he's unconditionally released, which I think is what will eventually happen. As for any chance he'll get traded, even the Dodgers have to draw the line somewhere.

Frayed Knot Oct 14 2012 01:35 PM Re: A-Rod poll

I started to think last night about what it is that bugs Yanqui fans (and probably MFY mgmt) so much about ARod -- I mean aside from his personality, his prissiness, his preening, and the whole thing about lacking the clutchness gene -- when I came to the conclusion that it's mostly about one thing: he's aging. Yup, he's aging and Yanqui people think that that's something that "true Yanquis" don't do. Think about it: - Jeter put up one of his best seasons this year in about a decade at age 38. - Mariano missed this year with an odd injury (which maybe can be attributed to age but maybe it was just a fluke) but in recent years has been just as effective as ever and he's like 42 - Pettitte freaking retired but decides to come back after a year off, slides back into the majors with almost no minor league time, then breaks his ankle, and then comes back and pitches to a less than 3.00 ERA at age 40 and they use him as their number 2/3 guy in the playoffs - Ibanez was 40 before he got here with Ichiro nearly so and those two have been their best hitters lately and both improved on their pre-MFY numbers Go back to recent years and Posada, even after missing most of the season at age 35, had three more decent seasons at ages 37, 37 & 38 and he was a fucking catcher Clemens was, of course, too drugged up to decline And even going way back O'Neill & Brosius, both of them retired on their own terms so there's no MFY memory of them falling into their suck years. So it's kind of easy to see how one guy doing nothing out of the norm - starting to decline at age 37 like most ball players - seems, in the eyes of Yanqui fans, like an unpardonable sin. He's going down, it's probably irreversible, and because of the contract there's nothing they can do about it. They're not used to this kind of thing so it must all be somebody's fault. That many of them didn't like him much to begin with only exacerbates the matter.

Ceetar Oct 14 2012 01:42 PM Re: A-Rod poll

It's weird too, because while I'd be more surprised if those other guys (Pettitte aside obviously) weren't using than if they were, A-Rod's the guy you'd peg as the well-conditioned druggie slugger that'd be hitting Bondsian shots into his 40s. (And honestly, I think he will have a good year next year, barring another injury. )

Frayed Knot Oct 14 2012 06:03 PM Re: A-Rod poll

I'm not even thinking of it from a steroids point of view. Speculation on juicers via circumstantial observations is a waste of time in my mind and, even if not, what does it prove? Some will claim that players lasting longer is a sign of being on the stuff while others will point to earlier physical breakdowns as proof of usage. The larger point being that some players simply age better than others due to any one of a number of factors and it's virtually impossible to see which is which ahead of time. Why did Robbie Alomar, for instance, go from MVP candidate at age 33 to POS candidate at age 34 and never recover while others like Jeter and Vizquel barely started their slight downward arcs at the same point? This era of Yanqui mainstays has been, for whatever reasons, an exceptionally long-lasting bunch so when somebody suddenly doesn't fit that same mold the natives start to get restless even though they're actually complaining about somebody being the norm. The result is that Yanqui fans have clearly bought into the notion that Lake Wobegon has been relocated and so now the Bronx is the place where exceptionalism is the new normal and where every prospect is above average.

Ashie62 Oct 14 2012 06:12 PM Re: A-Rod poll

No Roids..he's 37 and washed up. It happens.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 17 2012 09:29 AM Re: A-Rod poll

Trying to look at this objectively, it is crazy to make such a show of tearing down one of your own guys during the playoffs like this. I'm certain the teamwide tightness was only exacerbated by the management humiliating the team's No. 5 hitter. Sitting him last night for Brett F. Gardner, essentially, was stupid.

metirish Oct 17 2012 09:32 AM Re: A-Rod poll

Harper says Cahman's fingers are behind the benching, despite the numbers Rodriguez has against Verlander this season. Bold is mone It was Cashman who made a point of being available to the media the minute the lineup was announced Tuesday afternoon, and Cashman did a lot more explaining of the thinking behind the moves than Girardi did. Finally, it was Cashman who said flatly that his eyes were telling him that it didn’t matter that A-Rod was 4-for-6 with two home runs against Verlander this season, not when he is 0-for-18 with 12 strikeouts against righthanded pitching in this postseason. Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseb ... z29ZRx0I4N

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 17 2012 09:37 AM Re: A-Rod poll

Geez, and we think the Mets are scumbags for anonymously leaking concerns about Ike's hard drinking.

metirish Oct 17 2012 10:51 AM Re: A-Rod poll

Benjamin Grimm Oct 17 2012 11:06 AM Re: A-Rod poll

Well, if Donald Trump says it, it must be stupid.

metirish Oct 17 2012 11:50 AM Re: A-Rod poll

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Well, if Donald Trump says it, it must be stupid. Yes, it's quite hilarious that Trump tweeted that, he tweets similar stuff about Obama, tweets that sound like facts.

Centerfield Oct 17 2012 12:07 PM Re: A-Rod poll

He also said Jeter got hurt because of bad karma from selling his Trump apartment. The doormen say that there was a giant "2" emblazoned onto the floor. I wonder if he had that removed or if he was limited to selling to another number 2. Maybe Wayne Tolleson was looking for a place to crash?

Frayed Knot Oct 17 2012 12:50 PM Re: A-Rod poll

Trump also was on Michael Kay dishing on ARod yesterday. I only heard about it second-hand but apparently he was saying how he never liked ARod all along implying that he did bad stuff while living in one of Trump's places (didn't specify) that pissed Trump and the staff off. As I said in another thread yesterday when this and the Jeter injury story first came up: Yeah Donald, this is all about you. Now we just have to solve the mystery as to why Kay put him on the air in the first place.

Ceetar Oct 17 2012 12:56 PM Re: A-Rod poll

Frayed Knot wrote: Trump also was on Michael Kay dishing on ARod yesterday. I only heard about it second-hand but apparently he was saying how he never liked ARod all along implying that he did bad stuff while living in one of Trump's places (didn't specify) that pissed Trump and the staff off. As I said in another thread yesterday when this and the Jeter injury story first came up: Yeah Donald, this is all about you. Now we just have to solve the mystery as to why Kay put him on the air in the first place. stupid comments that can drive a narrative so they can then spend the entire show talking about the comments rather than the actual sport. It's ESPN's MO; talk about the people around sports, but not the sport itself.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 17 2012 01:02 PM Re: A-Rod poll

Um, Wow, Arod for Heath Bell. [url]http://keitholbermann.mlblogs.com/2012/10/17/exclusive-yanks-marlins-talk-a-rod-trade/

metirish Oct 17 2012 01:27 PM Re: A-Rod poll

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Um, Wow, Arod for Heath Bell. [url]http://keitholbermann.mlblogs.com/2012/10/17/exclusive-yanks-marlins-talk-a-rod-trade/ damn, and then they would need a 3rd baseman lock up DW now!

Frayed Knot Oct 17 2012 01:36 PM Re: A-Rod poll

Long-shot trade rumors aside, good on Olberman for: - referring to Trump as a "TV game show host" - noting that he was sitting in a box provided for free by the team - saying how the team has normally been ""aggressively retaliatory" towards those spreading bad pub from insiders or those getting free seats That what Trump said is both stupid and mostly inaccurate goes without saying, but many will simply spread his words for the fun of it while pretending to be reporting news without noting the contradictions and personal bias behind them.

Mets – Willets Point Oct 17 2012 02:03 PM Re: A-Rod poll

Is there a special word in German for the pleasant feeling you get from watching the Yankees implode? Schadenfreude is just not strong enough.

Frayed Knot Oct 17 2012 05:12 PM Re: A-Rod poll

Cashman is apparently denying that there have been trade talks between them and Miami and specifically dismissed the Olberman story. But just the fact that this is all 'out there' while ARod sits during the most important week of the season makes it too delicious to ignore.

metsmarathon Oct 18 2012 09:11 AM Re: A-Rod poll

not that we have anywhere to necessarily play him, but if the deal were on the table to trade jason bay for alex rodriguez with the yankees covering the difference in the two salaries, would you take it?

Ceetar Oct 18 2012 09:15 AM Re: A-Rod poll

metsmarathon wrote: not that we have anywhere to necessarily play him, but if the deal were on the table to trade jason bay for alex rodriguez with the yankees covering the difference in the two salaries, would you take it? Meaning we owe the same amount of money we do now, we just have A-Rod instead of Bay? In a heartbeat. For 1, the money coming with the contract would allow Alderson to spend a bit more this season knowing more comes off the books next year, or we have basically a free player that the Yankees are paying that we can release whenever. Make A-Rod play second. He won't be worse than Murphy defensively and he's still going to have some good years ahead of him if he stays healthy.

MFS62 Oct 18 2012 09:24 AM Re: A-Rod poll

As the title of the thread says, any way you look at it, A-Rod is definitely getting poll-ed. Later

seawolf17 Oct 18 2012 09:43 AM Re: A-Rod poll

Ceetar wrote: metsmarathon wrote: not that we have anywhere to necessarily play him, but if the deal were on the table to trade jason bay for alex rodriguez with the yankees covering the difference in the two salaries, would you take it? Meaning we owe the same amount of money we do now, we just have A-Rod instead of Bay? In a heartbeat. For 1, the money coming with the contract would allow Alderson to spend a bit more this season knowing more comes off the books next year, or we have basically a free player that the Yankees are paying that we can release whenever. Make A-Rod play second. He won't be worse than Murphy defensively and he's still going to have some good years ahead of him if he stays healthy. I had a Yankee fan friend offer me that same deal. Five years is a long time, but for virtually nothing? I'd be tempted to take that too.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 18 2012 09:46 AM Re: A-Rod poll

Well, sure, if you're not paying him then you're not really locked in for five years. You can always flip him to another team or release him.

Ceetar Oct 18 2012 09:48 AM Re: A-Rod poll

hell, I'd do that even if it meant including Daniel Murphy to play third.

Frayed Knot Oct 18 2012 09:54 AM Re: A-Rod poll

The thing about any potential trade, over and above the myriad of other obstacles his age/contract/drama would bring that is, is that the Yanx' actions of these past few days make him that much tougher to deal and worth a whole lot lot less than he theoretically would have been just weeks ago.

seawolf17 Oct 18 2012 10:05 AM Re: A-Rod poll

Ceetar wrote: hell, I'd do that even if it meant including Daniel Murphy to play third. Um, Ceets? WE HAVE A GODDAMN THIRD BASEMAN. #paytheman

Ceetar Oct 18 2012 10:13 AM Re: A-Rod poll

seawolf17 wrote: Ceetar wrote: hell, I'd do that even if it meant including Daniel Murphy to play third. Um, Ceets? WE HAVE A GODDAMN THIRD BASEMAN. #paytheman oh, I'm making A-Rod play second. At least, I assume A-Rod at second is better than him at short and Tejada at second.

Frayed Knot Oct 18 2012 10:35 AM Re: A-Rod poll

Just to play along with this silly speculation game here: - It's been, what, 8 years since he played SS? Guys about to turn 38 who have been off that position for so long aren't good bets to go back to it - Lord I can't see him handling 2nd base. Too big and too late in the game to learn the subtleties of that position - at 3B we of course have someone there (at least for now) although ARod played the position fairly well whenever I saw him this year. But then there's the problem of how often he can play it. He missed just over 1/4 of this past season to injuries and then DH'd more than 30% of the time when he was in the lineup. Now not all of those I'm sure were days that he had to DH or would have been unable to play at all, but shirley some of them were making him an even worse bet for an NL team.

HahnSolo Oct 18 2012 10:53 AM Re: A-Rod poll

Probably mindless speculation on my part, but we're overlooking the likelihood that first base might be ARod's destination if in fact he ends up in the NL. And if he were here, and so was Wright, that would be where I would expect him to play. What that means for Ike, I don't know?

MFS62 Oct 18 2012 11:40 AM Re: A-Rod poll

HahnSolo wrote: Probably mindless speculation on my part, but we're overlooking the likelihood that first base might be ARod's destination if in fact he ends up in the NL. And if he were here, and so was Wright, that would be where I would expect him to play. What that means for Ike, I don't know? I'll super-speculate. He was a pitcher in college and has an arm good enough to play the outfield. He has said he would move to the outfield. So with righthanded hitters to protect him in the lineup, I'd guess it means MVP. We now return this thread to sanity. Later

seawolf17 Oct 18 2012 11:48 AM Re: A-Rod poll

2014? Tejada SS (solid OBP, runs a little) Murphy 2B (situational hitting, bats .310) Wright 3B (55 home runs, second consecutive MVP season) Ike Davis LF (.240/35/110) Rodriguez 1B (.260/22/88 in 120 games) Duda RF (.250/30/80) Somebody C (a little defense, a little offense) Valdespin CF (a little defense, a little offense) Harvey P

metirish Oct 18 2012 12:42 PM Re: A-Rod poll

From Deadspin A Speculative Column About A-Rod Being Traded Contains The Dumbest Sentence You’ll Read Today Tom Ley With Alex Rodriguez quickly falling out of favor in New York, speculation has started to fly about whether or not the Yankees would be interested in trading Rodriguez in the offseason. This morning, USA Today's Bob Nightengale got in on the action with this column, claiming that "This will be the last time you'll ever see Alex Rodriguez in a New York Yankees uniform." The piece is entirely speculative and contains nothing of substance to back up its bold claim (Nightengale talked to a "close friend" of Rodriguez's who says A-Rod would welcome a trade but will not request one. That's it. That's all the reporting he has to offer.), but that's not really what makes it so awful. What makes it so awful is a line from this passage (emphasis is mine): [Brian] Cashman vehemently denied a report by Keith Olbermann for MLB.com that said the Yankees have already discussed a deal to the Miami Marlins. "I've had no discussions whatsoever with the Florida Marlins,'' Cashman said, but then again, didn't deny talks with the Miami Marlins. "I can tell you there are no discussions whatsoever, 100% false. We are not down the line on any trade talks on any of our players, including Alex.'' This is your sports journalism, America. Go fuck yourself. USA article http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ml ... e/1639977/

metsmarathon Oct 18 2012 01:26 PM Re: A-Rod poll

seawolf17 wrote: 2014? Tejada SS (solid OBP, runs a little) Murphy 2B (situational hitting, bats .310) Wright 3B (55 home runs, second consecutive MVP season) Ike Davis LF (.240/35/110) Rodriguez 1B (.260/22/88 in 120 games) Duda RF (.250/30/80) Somebody C (a little defense, a little offense) Valdespin CF (a little defense, a little offense) Harvey P i'd think arod works better in left than davis, but whatevs. we're arguing over imaginary pixie dust. also, in my imaginary hypothetical, i of course happily and readily accept a fully paid for arod for a bay. hell, even if i've got not spot for him, i can always, i'm sure of it, flip him for something else of value, either this season or in coming seasons.

Ashie62 Oct 18 2012 03:51 PM Re: A-Rod poll

seawolf17 wrote: 2014? Tejada SS (solid OBP, runs a little) Murphy 2B (situational hitting, bats .310) Wright 3B (55 home runs, second consecutive MVP season) Ike Davis LF (.240/35/110) Rodriguez 1B (.260/22/88 in 120 games) Duda RF (.250/30/80) Somebody C (a little defense, a little offense) Valdespin CF (a little defense, a little offense) Harvey P Can Wilmer Flores catch?

Frayed Knot Oct 18 2012 05:23 PM Re: A-Rod poll

From the game thread: Benching A-Rod... great strategy until you realize... nobody else in your lineup will hit for you either. Girardi either has some dirt on the guy or has a chip on his shoulder the size of Texas. What a maniac. I can't think that Girardi is doing all this without either direct orders from or with prior approval of those above him. The first in-game PH-ing move was something I'm sure he did on his own, but the thrice benching since, no way.