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Frayed Knot Oct 24 2012 03:19 PM

Just for kicks, the starting lineups of the [u:3lwv8o4m]previous time[/u:3lwv8o4m] these two teams played in the series For the Giants it was just two seasons ago 1 - Andres Torres - CF --- Wonder where he is today? 2 - Freddie Sanchez - 2B --- Was in the Giants system this year but injured 3 - Buster Posey - C 4 - Pat Burrell - LF --- Retired 5 - Cody Ross - RF --- One of the heros of that series IIRC. Spent this season in Boston 6 - Aubrey Huff - 1B --- Got a big contract off that year. Is still on the team, but just a PH due to both physical and mental issues over the last two seasons 7 - Juan Uribe - 3B ---Got a big deal off the Dodgers after this year, one I bet they regret making. 8 - Edgar Renterea - SS --- Retired 9 - Tim Lincecum - P --- The 2-time CY winner who they're now afraid to let start With the Tiggers being six years back you expect more of a turnover 1 - Curtis Granderson - CF --- And once again he helped Detroit reach the World Series!! 2 - Craig Monroe - LF --- Out of baseball by 2009 3 - Placido Polanco - 2B --- Came from the Phillies in a mid-year deal that year. He stayed with Detroit for several more seasons before signing back with Philly 4 - Magglio Ordonez - RF --- Retired 5 - Carlos Guillen - 1B --- The former middle-infielder stayed with the Tigers through last season but appears to now be retired. 6 - Ivan Rodriguez - C --- Retired 7 - Sean Casey - DH --- Retired 8 - Brandon Inge - 3B --- Started this season with Detroit but is now with Oakland and no longer the hitter he once was 9 - Ramon Santiago - SS --- Is still with the team although hasn't had any appearances in the post-season and may not even be on the active roster P - Justin Verlander --- The rookie who had only pitched 11 ML innings in the reg season plus 11 more in the playoffs leading up to the WS was given the game one start even though the entire staff was rested. He was promptly bombed for 6 runs in 5 innings.

Mets – Willets Point Oct 24 2012 04:54 PM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

Edgar Renterea There was a decade or so where it seemed that he was required to be in the lineup for one of the World Series' teams.

Frayed Knot Oct 24 2012 05:26 PM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

Mets – Willets Point wrote: Edgar Renterea There was a decade or so where it seemed that he was required to be in the lineup for one of the World Series' teams. Only 3 times in the WS as it turns out, but he did make the playoffs 7 different times with 4 different teams over a 16 year career so, yeah, it did seem that way. Meanwhile, I suspect this is a little suspected fact: The Giants have won the last 13 times (11 reg season + one each in LDS + LCS) that Barry Zito has started a game (8 wins for him + 5 NDs). The last game he & the Giants lost when he started?: when the Mets hung up a 7-spot on his and ran his ass out 'da game in the 5th inning on August 2nd in an eventual 9-1 win. The Mets took 3 of 4 that week (in San Fran) dropping the Giants to just a half-game lead out west. After that they pretty much went on a winning streak.

Ashie62 Oct 24 2012 06:29 PM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

Any stolen Base= one Taco Bell free Taco. Thats a low bar.

Frayed Knot Oct 24 2012 07:56 PM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

Are the Tigers allowed to use a pitcher who doesn't exist in the World Series? I would have thought there were rules against that. 98 pitches for Verlander just to get through 4 innings. Even with the guys he was getting out it was taking him a lot of effort.

Frayed Knot Oct 24 2012 07:57 PM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

OMG! It's Panda-monium!! and he's going to have at least two more ABs

Ashie62 Oct 24 2012 08:00 PM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 24 2012 08:05 PM

Pandu.. as in the starting NL All star. Maybe Jason Bay can channel Zito's comebac.

Ashie62 Oct 24 2012 08:04 PM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

Lets morph the recent success of Barry Zto into the 2002 Bowmans Best Mets Rookie Bat.

Ceetar Oct 24 2012 08:13 PM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

Ashie62 wrote: Pandu.. as in the starting NL All star. Maybe Jason Bay can channel Zito's comebac. Well, Jason Bay did have a couple of good games too.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 24 2012 08:52 PM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

This is redick.

MFS62 Oct 24 2012 10:05 PM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

Maybe the Yanks are watching. You don't need a superstar at every position to be a good team. Just good pitching, sound defense and a third baseman who can hit when it counts. (MFS62, stirring the Yankee reporter drink.) Later

Frayed Knot Oct 25 2012 07:26 AM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

MFS62 wrote: Maybe the Yanks are watching. You don't need a superstar at every position to be a good team. Just good pitching, sound defense and a third baseman who can hit when it counts. (MFS62, stirring the Yankee reporter drink.) Later I expect a flood of calls to FAN in the near future (they may have already started last night) from Yanqui fans demanding to sign Pedro Sandoval this winter, both on the basis that he's now a 'proven clutch October performer' and that if he can hit HRs in that park then just imagine what he can do in their little playground. The fact that he just signed a three-year deal with SF and is thus unable to simply jump to the Bronx for money for at least another three years will come as a surprise to many of them because of the assumption that such trivial obstacles don't apply to their team. Once satisfied that that option won't work the trade proposals will then come out. Most likely to be offered: ARod. Edward Nunez. Brett Gardner. And of course the old fall-back: 'a coupla prospects'.

Ashie62 Oct 25 2012 08:45 AM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

The Yankees could send "prospect" Eric Duncan..remember that kid?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 25 2012 06:30 PM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

Really stupid call by the 3rd base coach.

Frayed Knot Oct 25 2012 06:51 PM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Really stupid call by the 3rd base coach. Yup. Even a bad move if it wasn't Prince running.

Frayed Knot Oct 25 2012 07:11 PM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

Twelve Tiger outs so far and they've only made Bumgarner earn ten of them. Not a great recipe for scoring.

Ceetar Oct 25 2012 09:08 PM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

Pagan stolen base gets everyone free tacos.

G-Fafif Oct 25 2012 10:18 PM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

In a more perfect world, 2-0 World Series games in which the runs score on a double play and a sacrifice fly in the seventh and eighth; in which the turning point is a large man being thrown out at home; in which one pitcher is hit in the head yet keeps pitching and all the pitchers give up only seven hits total...in a more perfect world, this is the kind of game that would have "saved baseball," not home run chases or whatever got people (and players) all pumped up fifteen years ago. Old school is an overused phrase. But this was old school.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 26 2012 05:39 AM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

I dunno. What stays with me is the poor execution by the Tigers. Making the first out at home like that was idiotic, as was Infante getting picked off first base. I'm not sure if that's old school or special ed.

metirish Oct 26 2012 06:46 AM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

Zito pitching like this is old school.....looks curtains for the Tigers when the Giants are getting quality starts with the pen they have coming in.

Frayed Knot Oct 26 2012 06:58 AM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

The thing is that the Tigers didn't really hit a whole lot in the first two series - their pitchers (not including the closer) did most of the heavy lifting in both series. The offense was held to 3 runs or less in 5 of the 9 games but still managed to win three of those five. At some point they'll need Miggy & Prince to wake up.

Frayed Knot Oct 27 2012 07:29 PM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

[u:26rtq9jf]Game 3[/u:26rtq9jf] 2 GiDPs for the Tigers in the first 3 innings of this game which makes it four for the series so far (21 innings). Between those and the caught stealings, the pick-offs, and Prince getting thrown out at the plate, the Tigers simply aren't getting enough base-runners to be giving away so many outs. Especially when one of the GiDPswas with two on and in front of Cabrera, the other was with two on right after Cabrera got on. Two of the four were by Prince.

Frayed Knot Oct 27 2012 09:20 PM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

Man I wouldn't take Lincecum out now ... but Bochy is doing just that.

Frayed Knot Oct 27 2012 09:42 PM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

And he gets away with it anyway - although you get the feeling that he could pitch just about anyone right now at the Tiggers wouldn't score.

G-Fafif Oct 27 2012 10:10 PM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

The Giants: Highly effective. The Tigers: Less so. The MFYs: Idle, but I couldn't help but think that the impending storm would have made an ideal alibi for why there would have been so many empty seats MFYS III in Game Three...though I imagine SF fans would have snapped them up.

Ashie62 Oct 27 2012 10:40 PM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

This series is more like the World Snooze. The TV ratings have to suck.

MFS62 Oct 28 2012 10:04 AM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

Ashie62 wrote: This series is more like the World Snooze. The TV ratings have to suck. Fox is going to ask ABC/ESPN is they can borrow Brent Mussberger to shill for them. (Howie 'The Shill" Cosell, as one reporter called him, is no longer available.) Later

seawolf17 Oct 28 2012 11:12 AM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

MFS62 wrote: Ashie62 wrote: This series is more like the World Snooze. The TV ratings have to suck. Fox is going to ask ABC/ESPN is they can borrow Brent Mussberger to shill for them. (Howie 'The Shill" Cosell, as one reporter called him, is no longer available.) Later But just think, if they dug him up, what that would do for ratings! And around Halloween, no less!

Ashie62 Oct 28 2012 11:20 AM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

Whoa Doctor! The big dogs want to watch football!

Kong76 Oct 28 2012 07:09 PM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

Howard Cosell was a lot of things, a shill wasn't one of them.

Frayed Knot Oct 28 2012 08:34 PM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

Yeah y'know Bud, these games aren't long enough, why not first allow the network to delay the game on account of the football running long and then add in a mandatory ceremony in the 7th inning just to stretch things out a bit.

Frayed Knot Oct 28 2012 08:36 PM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

Kong76 wrote: Howard Cosell was a lot of things, a shill wasn't one of them. It was Dick Young who used to call him that, claiming that Howard found only positive things to say about the NFL while he was part of the MNF package and only found negative things in the league after he was no longer on that beat.

Edgy MD Oct 28 2012 08:41 PM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

Yeah, Dick Young was never in anybody's pocket.

Frayed Knot Oct 28 2012 09:44 PM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

Sergio trying to become the 2nd Romo to be good for the Giants today.

Frayed Knot Oct 28 2012 09:50 PM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

And it's ovah!!

Frayed Knot Oct 28 2012 09:53 PM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

Prince had a bad series, Cabrera had a (mostly) bad series, Verlander had a bad series (bad game anyway), Peralta had a bad series. Tough to win when your big guns come up short.

Frayed Knot Oct 28 2012 09:56 PM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

So it's true that every time a Cabrera strikes out an Angel (Pagan) gets his ring.

G-Fafif Oct 29 2012 12:55 AM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

Just when it was getting good, too.

bmfc1 Oct 29 2012 05:59 AM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

Frayed Knot wrote: Yeah y'know Bud, these games aren't long enough, why not first allow the network to delay the game on account of the football running long and then add in a mandatory ceremony in the 7th inning just to stretch things out a bit. Just part of the legacy of the Crypt Keeper--you wouldn't want kids or people that have to get up early to see the end of the World Series, would you?

MFS62 Oct 29 2012 07:45 AM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

The Tigers swept the Yanks, then got swept by not even the best team in the NL this year. I'm going to have a lot of fun with this when I see the MFY fans in my office. And, I'm happy for Marco. As for Angel Pagan, he probably doesn't know there isn't another game today. He always was weak on his knowledge of baseball stuff. But I'm happy for him, too. Throughout the Series I was impressed by Bruce Bochy. He'll stick with a relief pitcher who's throwing well, even though "the book" suggests making a change. Several times in the series, he stuck with a reliever, even though an opposite side hitter was up. Later

smg58 Oct 29 2012 09:50 AM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

I honestly thought at the time that Ramon Ramirez would more than make up for the difference between Pagan and Torres. That's a mistake I hope to learn from. And I hope Alderson learns from it too. The interesting thing about Bochy is that when Wilson was healthy, he used Sergio Romo largely as a situational righty. And if you look at Romo's splits (a .482 career OPS against left-handed batters), that was just nuts. Still, at least Bochy deserves some credit for adapting.

Ceetar Oct 29 2012 09:58 AM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

smg58 wrote: I honestly thought at the time that Ramon Ramirez would more than make up for the difference between Pagan and Torres. That's a mistake I hope to learn from. And I hope Alderson learns from it too. I didn't like the trade, but I understood it. In retrospect, I don't think I make it. Alderson talked about how we got pitching quantity but not quality in 2011, and this trade was trading a higher quality player for a higher quantity of players not as good. (or at least, not as valuable.) It's all a wash now, as Torres is the only player of the three even remotely under team control. Unless you think, and I would lean this way, that Pagan will not accept a $13 million one year offer and then you get a draft pick for him.

Mets – Willets Point Oct 30 2012 11:36 AM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

Apparently this was only the second time where two teams with orange as one of the colors in their uniform met in the World Series. Trivia: when was the first time?

Swan Swan H Oct 30 2012 11:41 AM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

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Mets – Willets Point Oct 30 2012 11:42 AM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

Swan Swan H wrote: [youtube]eFjjO_lhf9c[/youtube] Autumn of 69 to be precise, but close enough.

Mets – Willets Point Nov 02 2012 01:52 PM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

Giants honor their New York roots.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 02 2012 01:59 PM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

2012 is the first year in which teams named "The Giants" won both the World Series and the Super Bowl.

Mets – Willets Point Nov 02 2012 02:02 PM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

Benjamin Grimm wrote: 2012 is the first year in which teams named "The Giants" won both the World Series and the Super Bowl. The Yomiuri Giants are one win away from making a third championship team named "The Giants" this year.

G-Fafif Nov 06 2012 04:52 AM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

[youtube:ggklja47]_0sE5EJKXdY[/youtube:ggklja47] What a truly wonderful awful production. Love the Dodger slam that comes late.

G-Fafif Nov 06 2012 05:03 AM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

Mets – Willets Point wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: 2012 is the first year in which teams named "The Giants" won both the World Series and the Super Bowl. The Yomiuri Giants are one win away from making a third championship team named "The Giants" this year. Son of a gun, something Gigantic happened again. Or as they say in Japan... Many people likely enjoyed the pleasures of baseball to the full as they watched a series of close games worthy of deciding the nation's best team.

Frayed Knot Nov 06 2012 06:25 AM Re: Giants vs Tigers WS IST

This winning trend for Giants should probably be seen as a warning sign to that Jack guy that he's about to get his ass kicked back down the beanstalk.