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The Walking Dead

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 04 2012 08:38 PM

Anyone? We zipped thru the first 2 seasons on DVD and caught up to "live" episodes tonight. Hardcore.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 04 2012 08:41 PM Re: The Walking Dead

LOVE IT!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 05 2012 05:19 AM Re: The Walking Dead

I liked that they will be continuing without one of the characters who died in this ep. Can you guess which?!?

Ceetar Nov 05 2012 05:32 AM Re: The Walking Dead

I haven't watched any of this season yet. The characters infuriate me, as I guess is what they're supposed to do in a Zombie show, but otherwise i enjoy it.

Mets – Willets Point Nov 05 2012 07:33 AM Re: The Walking Dead

I was wondering if there was a thread for this show. I started watching the show a few weeks ago on Netflix and zipped through everything to episode 3 of the third season. I've always hated zombie stories but this is a good show because it's not so much about zombies as characters and relationships among the survivors. I think they do a good job on character development for the most part. I've read some of the comics and the tv show makes a lot of changes, but I think most of the changes are for the better. The one thing I really didn't like about the comics was The Governor because he was a ridiculously cartoonish villain, but his first appearance in the tv show makes him seem a more nuanced, believable character so I have high hopes.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 05 2012 04:22 PM Re: The Walking Dead

I'm of two minds. Well, no, that's not exactly it. I'm of one very certain mind, that between the excellent pilot and the beginning of this season, it's been an expensively-shot, inconsistently-acted, almost-always-poorly-written haunted-house-ride (with Season 2-- due to writing themselves into a corner/regime-change-issues with the production team?-- failing on that front, overwhelmingly); I've just been watching despite myself, HOPING something would happen. It's STARTING to realize some of the promise of that pilot, and has been on par-- at least-- with the better moments of the rest of the first set of episodes. But man alive, if you take away the amazing effects work and pretty lensing, it's amazing how LITTLE character development there really was in those first two years-- the leads spend the lion's share of those shows with the exact. same. looks. on their pusses, having the same conversations about the same, increasingly-tired conflicts (Shane/Rick/Lori, Shane's hard-man ethos vs. Rick's basic-cable Hamlet act, the women harping and mewling and harping). Maybe I've been spoiled by other AMC fare-- in terms of writing/performance/making me buy it, this one isn't Mad Men, or even Breaking Bad at its most goofily-stylized. That said, last night's episode WAS a doozy.

Mets – Willets Point Nov 06 2012 10:30 PM Re: The Walking Dead

I watched the most recent episode tonight. Fucking grim. Feel bad that T-Dog dies just as he was finally getting more dialogue and things to do in the show. And it appears that Oscar is joining the group now. Is there a one black dude at a time quota or something?

MFS62 Nov 07 2012 06:33 AM Re: The Walking Dead

I thought this thread was about FOX News post-election coverage. Later

Mets – Willets Point Nov 26 2012 11:57 AM Re: The Walking Dead

Finger-lickin' good. [youtube:y7g5nh62]1L5KxFRY97A[/youtube:y7g5nh62]

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 26 2012 12:08 PM Re: The Walking Dead

Couldn't have left us wanting any more last night. How medieval will Glenn & the Farmer's Daughter go?

Mets – Willets Point Nov 26 2012 12:12 PM Re: The Walking Dead

I'm looking forward to the Dixon brothers' reunion.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 26 2012 03:11 PM Re: The Walking Dead

GOVERNOR: Hey, we like you here. There's a real place for you here. Wouldn't you like to stay? MICHONNE: [Scowls; recoils; skulks off into woods] RICK: [Locks Michonne behind bars; puts hand into wound] WHO ARE YOU? TELL US YOUR NAME! MICHONNE: [Joins group]

Mets – Willets Point Nov 26 2012 07:55 PM Re: The Walking Dead

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 03 2012 01:58 PM Re: The Walking Dead

Michonne, with the samurai sword, in the mouth. Michonne, with the shard of glass, in the eyeball. Hey the boxing coach from The Wire is here!

Mets – Willets Point Dec 03 2012 07:56 PM Re: The Walking Dead

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Hey the boxing coach from The Wire is here! And Oscar bites it, keeping the one black guy rule in effect. Michonne showed some real shock when she saw the aquariums.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 04 2012 09:51 AM Re: The Walking Dead

Mets – Willets Point wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Hey the boxing coach from The Wire is here! And Oscar bites it, keeping the one black guy rule in effect. Michonne showed some real shock when she saw the aquariums. And said absolutely nothing by way of defense/explanation of her actions when Andrea drew on her. It's frustrating how poorly they've written her; never mind, seeming like a realistic person-- she's more of a plot device with a sword than a person.

Mets – Willets Point Dec 04 2012 10:40 AM Re: The Walking Dead

Seriously, can't Michonne say something when she meets Rick's group like "I've been with Andrea the last 8 months and I think you know her. She's still at Woodbury." Or to Andrea, "I came back because the Governor was holding your friends Glenn and Maggie captive." Kind of ridiculous that she won't say anything useful. On the other hand, Glenn making a shiv out of a zombie radius and ulna? That's pretty bad ass.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 04 2012 11:26 AM Re: The Walking Dead

Oh, indeed. Judgment-/temperament-wise, I think Glenn and Carl should be running the group, frankly, with Daryl as sargeant-at-arms and Rick demoted to Operational Commander on raids. (Though Cutty may end up being our group's Hope-and-Change candidate if they use him right, it seems.)

Mets – Willets Point Feb 16 2013 11:52 AM Re: The Walking Dead

They opened the second half of the season with a quieter episode focusing on relationships, and pretty well done imo. And now we know why Sarah Wayne Callies name is still in the opening credits.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 16 2013 01:41 PM Re: The Walking Dead

Was that actually her? It was so shadowy that I couldn't be sure it wasn't just a stand-in.

Mets – Willets Point Feb 16 2013 02:56 PM Re: The Walking Dead

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Was that actually her? It was so shadowy that I couldn't be sure it wasn't just a stand-in. Fair point. It was just that she was so wooden just standing there, I assumed it had to be Callies.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 16 2013 04:22 PM Re: The Walking Dead

BOOM-VISCERA-ROASTED. If your dead wife started appearing to you in front of a group of people for whom you've taken a leadership role AND some new folk, would you play it a little cooler than Rick would? Hell, even if you couldn't keep from crying out loud... would you shoot at the ghost in a confined space? Forget logic here... does that sound like a LIKELY reaction, even from a psychologically broken dude? I laughed out loud at the Andrea pump-up speech.

TheOldMole Feb 17 2013 05:41 PM Re: The Walking Dead

It remains absolute must-watch for my grandson and me.

Mets – Willets Point Feb 17 2013 06:29 PM Re: The Walking Dead

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I laughed out loud at the Andrea pump-up speech. The speech was bad, but the LOL-moment for me was everyone being like "that was a crappy, uninspiring speech. Let's hug!"

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 17 2013 06:31 PM Re: The Walking Dead

You'd think at LEAST one of them would be all, "Hey, Ass-Patton-- he just shot my neighbor/husband in the head. You'll pardon me if I just nod gruffly here in the corner."

Mets – Willets Point Feb 17 2013 11:13 PM Re: The Walking Dead

Egads! Daryl and the hatchback.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 18 2013 07:34 AM Re: The Walking Dead

You can generally set your watch by Daryl winning the Zombie Kill o' the Week. You can set your watch during any scene that doesn't involve action, violence, or action-violence. SPOILER ALERT (FOR DVR FOLK) Killing off/banishing secondary characters the moment they get a little characterization or unpredictability (and/or melanin) doesn't help things. Damn, the moment Axel started cracking jokes, I had a feeling... the shock, frankly, was HOW he was done in. (And, um, put to work by Carol.) Hearing Glen Mazzara talk about viewer criticism really makes me think he doesn't get the difference between plot machination and plot contrivance. If he just shot up the prison without resulting in someone’s death it would have looked completely impotent. So now you start looking at characters and which character is going to go. And we evaluated almost every character — is it time to kill this character or that character? Unfortunately, the axe fell Axel’s way. It was tough because there may have been more story with him. I think we were just finding that character. I loved what he added. It was just that someone had to go and that was a really, really tough choice. That was something that I wrestled with almost more than say, Lori, because I knew we were getting story out of Lori’s death. ... It was kind of funny because last week some people were saying the first episode back was slow and were saying “Where’s the action?” and in my mind I’m just thinking: It’s coming. We do know how to tell this story. We just don’t give it to you in a way you’d expect. This is The Walking Dead where you’re on the edge of your seat. Lord. I don't pretend to be a master storyteller. But hell, if he knew how to tell the story so well-- expected pathway or no-- I don't think it would be so unclear that Tyrese's group left the prison. (Which, apparently, they did.)

Mets – Willets Point Feb 18 2013 08:34 AM Re: The Walking Dead

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: SPOILER ALERT (FOR DVR FOLK) Killing off/banishing secondary characters the moment they get a little characterization or unpredictability (and/or melanin) doesn't help things. Damn, the moment Axel started cracking jokes, I had a feeling... the shock, frankly, was HOW he was done in. (And, um, put to work by Carol.) Axel did that tap the person on the opposite shoulder thing and I thought to myself that he's no going to last long in a zombie apocalypse if he pulls tricks like that. I didn't realize his doom would be so immediate.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 21 2013 05:28 AM Re: The Walking Dead

We found the whole prison shootup thrilling but also confusing and kind of hard to believe. Who was the van driver (Andrea?) and what happened to her/him? How did the bad guy scale the tower undetected, and who was he? What was the Governor's objective? They left having done surprisingly little damage beyond one dead guy and a broken fence. GREAT zombie kills by Darryl at the bridge.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 21 2013 09:44 AM Re: The Walking Dead

1. Van driver wasn't Andrea (on sub duty at the town), Karen (at the town fence... trusted with armed-guard duty just a short while after pushing to leave?), and wasn't the archery kid (shot in the Ricktatorship raid). Just some redshirt (albeit one who survives), presumably. 2. This was the big, confusing issue for me, in terms of the prison action. (Well, that and Tyreese's group leaving for good without so much as a disappearing-over-the-horizon long shot.) 3. Okay, no, THIS was the big issue. If he's going through the trouble of doing this behind Andrea's back, well, wouldn't he want to make sure they're all dead? Was he assuming the Zombie-Bomb would kill everyone? Hasn't he been established as someone who's a little more... thorough? Was intelligence gathering a secondary goal... or THE goal?

Benjamin Grimm Feb 21 2013 11:25 AM Re: The Walking Dead

My eleven-year-old daughter also picked up on the question of how the sniper got to the guard tower. She kept trying to think of a workable explanation. I was also surprised that after a while the shooting stopped and the governor just went back home. He may have been looking to "send a message" but yes, you'd think he'd make his first attack the one that counted.

Mets – Willets Point Feb 24 2013 09:38 PM Re: The Walking Dead

Michonne speaks!

TheOldMole Feb 25 2013 02:57 PM Re: The Walking Dead

Nice to,see Andrea naked, but too bad she couldn't follow through on killing the governor.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 25 2013 03:16 PM Re: The Walking Dead

Too bad she's such a poorly-drawn character that a scene like last night's closer was more "sorta interesting" than "tragic and heartrending." And before that, the shock that her former friends might be a little wary of her... and the blaming of Michonne for "poisoning" them*. Andrea's the worst... and I don't mean that her character just makes poor choices. (I don't even blame Laurie Holden for this.) *Kinda weird of Michonne (and nobody else) omitting the rape-y/torture business AND the heads-in-tanks/army-dude-murders when talking to Andrea about the Governor's sins.

Mets – Willets Point Feb 25 2013 03:22 PM Re: The Walking Dead

The scene between Michonne and Andrea was well-acted and showed some real emotion and irritates me that the showrunners never established a close relationship between the two women before, we were just supposed to assume it. I've been wondering who is to blame for Andrea's character being so messed up, Laurie Holden or the writer/directors but now that I see that she can actually act when given something to work with, I'm leaning toward to the production side. Maybe whoever replaces Glen Mazzara can a handle on the character development for the women on the show.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 25 2013 03:54 PM Re: The Walking Dead

I liked Michonne getting a little salty. The episode was full of beats that were pretty well-done, and well-acted, but just DIDN'T have the weight they should have... they were ALL just "sorta." (Carl and Rick would have been a little more, had it not been spoiled in every single upcoming-season promo during the last month.) I just don't think the writers are so good at writing, y'know, people.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 04 2013 02:09 AM Re: The Walking Dead

I just don't think the writers are so good at writing, y'know, people. Well, except for this entire episode... which was kind of excellent, and maybe the best episode of the show's run, period. Focused, ruminative, sad, a little hopeful, a lot more despairing, and... funny. (Michonne jokes!) R: "We're eating his food, now?" M: "The mat said 'Welcome.'"

Mets – Willets Point Mar 04 2013 07:25 AM Re: The Walking Dead

Good writing, yay! I look forward to watching it. And now I will avoid this thread so I won't be spoiled.

Mets – Willets Point Mar 07 2013 09:44 AM Re: The Walking Dead

This was a strong episode. I wish they'd do more episodes like this where they explore how different people deal with the apocalypse and form relationships, rather than bs'ing to fill time to a zombie attack and/or shoot 'em up among survivors. I hope we see Morgan in the show again. He's an interesting contrast in crazy to Rick and the Governor. Oddly enough, all three of them (and Maggie) are portrayed by English actors. Funny that Doctor Who can never get an English actor who can do a convincing American accent, and yet an American-made show set in America hires English actors to play Southerners.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 07 2013 09:56 AM Re: The Walking Dead

Well, these English actors are living and working in America, so maybe they've had more exposure to American accents. Lauren Cohan, the actress who plays Maggie, has a very strange accent. She describes it as a cross between British and New Jersey, where she spent some time as a child, if I recall correctly. (She was on an episode of The Talking Dead last season.)

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 07 2013 10:06 AM Re: The Walking Dead

For some reason these critically acclaimed dramatic TV shows are filthy with foreign actors. McNulty from The Wire is another.

batmagadanleadoff Mar 07 2013 10:07 AM Re: The Walking Dead

Many, if not most, of the actors portraying American soldiers in the HBO mini-series Band of Brothers were Brits.

TheOldMole Mar 07 2013 11:06 AM Re: The Walking Dead

Andrew Lincoln's father-in-law is Ian Anderson?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 07 2013 11:10 AM Re: The Walking Dead

I wouldn't say these Brits are uniformly good at the accent; when they do falter, it's usually in heading up the nose-- going too reedy or adenoidal. Sometimes, the projects get dramatic mileage from this too-nasal quality (think Hugo Weaving doing a computer system's clipped, sneering parody of a human "agent" in The Matrix, or. Matthew Rhys' faux-American on The Americans). Honestly, I find most of the Brits on TWD grating-- Rick/ Lincoln's better than he used to be, but not great... and Governor/Morrissey's worse. (Morgan/Lennie James is a notable exception.)

Mets – Willets Point Mar 11 2013 12:56 AM Re: The Walking Dead

What is that they say about Chekhov's gun? Or in this case, the Governor's duct-taped gun that I was thinking about the entire episode but it never came out again.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 11 2013 09:22 AM Re: The Walking Dead Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 11 2013 09:28 AM

Mets – Willets Point wrote: What is that they say about Chekhov's gun? Or in this case, the Governor's duct-taped gun that I was thinking about the entire episode but it never came out again. The sex-gets-punished trope also fell by the figurative wayside, unused. In other news, Andrea's remains the worst. ("I can't go back there," minutes before, y'know, going back there... and telling the Governor about Rick's child's questionable parentage? Zombie wasteland or no... who does that?)

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 11 2013 09:24 AM Re: The Walking Dead

Looks like she is still playing the fulcrum in the sneak previews. I LOLLLLLed at the zombie kill-off between Darryl and the buff Woodbury guy.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 11 2013 09:30 AM Re: The Walking Dead

I would watch a half-hour "Darryl Plays Top That"-- zombie kills, turkey shoots, tricky marble shots-- show.

Mets – Willets Point Mar 11 2013 09:33 AM Re: The Walking Dead

I think Andrea's going back to Woodbury for a reason, not because she wants to be there anymore. Knowing how poorly she's written it will probably be a dumb reason, but we'll get a few laughs out of her "inspiring" speech to the Woodbury populace to rise up against the Governor. The Daryl-Martinez and Hershel-Milton bits were the best parts of the show for me.

Zvon Mar 11 2013 01:56 PM Re: The Walking Dead

Mets – Willets Point wrote: What is that they say about Chekhov's gun? Or in this case, the Governor's duct-taped gun that I was thinking about the entire episode but it never came out again. What a sneaky misleading plot device to show us that gun under the table, then never use it or have it be discovered. Just them two being alone in a room was enough of an immediate threat for me.

Mets – Willets Point Mar 11 2013 02:09 PM Re: The Walking Dead

And since the Governor just walked out of the barn, the gun is presumably still there.

TheOldMole Mar 11 2013 02:48 PM Re: The Walking Dead

I thought this was one of the best of this season's episodes. Taut writing and playing all the way through, and the Woodbury-prison pairoffs were neat and effective.

Mets – Willets Point Mar 11 2013 03:15 PM Re: The Walking Dead

I agree, it was a good tense episode. I was surprised to see the Governor trying to charm and manipulate Rick rather than a more direct approach. He really wants his revenge on Michonne. I also liked Andrea's response to the big dick-swinging contest.

Vic Sage Mar 12 2013 09:36 AM Re: The Walking Dead

I don't think it's just about Michonne and revenge for the Gov. I'm sure that's part of it, but he also wants Rick to give up one of his best soldiers and then, when he STILL attacks them, they'll not only be weaker, they'll distrust Rick and Rick will distrust himself. It's a great move. But it looks like it won't even take that long, since the gov has something planned for the next pow wow. like that gun under the table. see that's the thing about Chekov's rule about the gun. In episodic tv, as opposed to a play, the story isn't over yet just because the episode is, so the gun may still get used. There's also Hitchcock's rule about "the bomb under the table" to consider. Suspense, he declared, does not come from there being a bomb under a table, or even having that bomb explode. It comes from the audience knowing there's a bomb under the table while the protagonist does not. The point isn't for the bomb to go off, its for there to be a distinct possibility that it could. And so the gun worked to heighten suspense in the scenes in the barn. anyway, i can't believe Rick, as a cop, is stupid enough to fall for the gov's BS. Even if he were willing to throw Michonne to the wolves (which he might otherwise, to save his own family), he knows (or SHOULD know) that it would be a futile gesture and would just weaken his force for the inevitable war to come. I'm still hoping for Andrea to pull off a coup with help from Milton, or for Rick to take Michonne and the brothers on a pre-emptive strike of Woodbury.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 12 2013 11:07 AM Re: The Walking Dead

The last little bit about the "slaughter" with the governor/Milton seemed pointless and extraneous at best (if you have to tell your audience that he's the kind of guy that would do that, at this point in the season, well, you've done a pretty crappy job of characterization), and dramatically undermining at worst; it removes any tension whatsoever-- or at least any ambiguity/intriguing moral haziness-- from Rick's "dilemma," turning it into a simple "don't do the stupid thing" idiot's-dramatic-irony. A better-written episode stays in/around the summit shack, without the cutaways to the superfluous Merle/Glenn yapping (though-- hey, cheesecake... sexy cheesecake).

Vic Sage Mar 18 2013 11:30 AM Re: The Walking Dead

Andrea's fucked now.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 18 2013 11:33 AM Re: The Walking Dead

I predict the professor will save her, then turn into a meal for walkers.

Vic Sage Mar 18 2013 12:59 PM Re: The Walking Dead

sounds likely, but will he rescue her before the Gov does some sick shit to her?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 18 2013 04:20 PM Re: The Walking Dead

Oh, she gon' get it. Liked the tighter focus on Woodbury this episode, and the decisiveness from Andrea (for once), although... well... if the Tyreese/Allen stuff was any more clunky, you could make it into footwear for Frankenstein's monster.

Mets – Willets Point Mar 18 2013 11:12 PM Re: The Walking Dead

Nice move by Andrea with the stairwell full of walkers. Too bad she didn't think to steal the truck.

Ceetar Mar 19 2013 05:58 AM Re: The Walking Dead

Mets – Willets Point wrote: Nice move by Andrea with the stairwell full of walkers. Too bad she didn't think to steal the truck. That's because she's a freaking moron. Any chance the Governor is now infected and we just don't know it yet?

Mets – Willets Point Mar 19 2013 07:47 AM Re: The Walking Dead

Yeah, I saw a comment elsewhere online that even if The Governor had taken the keys, Andrea could've at least slashed the tires. Duh! Still, the Jason Vorhees moment at the end was well done.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 19 2013 10:16 AM Re: The Walking Dead

When I saw the Governor (or Philip, he lets me call him Philip) setting up that table, I thought of Marathon Man, especially with the dentist chair there. But on Talking Dead the show's prop guy ran down the list of items on the table and they go far beyond dentistry! To paraphrase Buzz Lightyear, I don't think that man went to dental school!

Mets – Willets Point Mar 19 2013 10:30 AM Re: The Walking Dead

I'm really hoping that the TV show does not follow the comic books too closely when it comes to The Governor's torture chamber, because that was really nasty and almost put me off reading the rest of the series.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 19 2013 12:17 PM Re: The Walking Dead

I generally try and forget what I've read of the series (courtesy of a GN-loving cousin)-- Kirkman writes relationships (especially male-female ones) with the warmth and understanding of a 12-year-old, and springs rape and torture for mere shock value with the same sort of sensibility. Ceetar wrote: Any chance the Governor is now infected and we just don't know it yet? They're ALL infected, man.

Ceetar Mar 19 2013 01:13 PM Re: The Walking Dead

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Ceetar wrote: Any chance the Governor is now infected and we just don't know it yet? They're ALL infected, man. I mean that he got bitten in the building since they didn't show him killing them all. Seems like it usually causes the change pretty fast, but it crossed my mind when they didn't clearly show him being safe.

Mets – Willets Point Mar 24 2013 11:47 PM Re: The Walking Dead

The abdication of the Ricktatorship. Really effective emotion in the final scene with Daryl and Merle.

Zvon Mar 25 2013 04:14 PM Re: The Walking Dead

Mets – Willets Point wrote: The abdication of the Ricktatorship. Really effective emotion in the final scene with Daryl and Merle. Yes, as well as the scene with Daryl and Merle in the prison (basement?-when D says alls he wants is his brother back-Merle almost got emotional then shut himself down) and Ricks speech, which I thought hit all the right notes. I kinda wished that Merle, when he decided he was not gonna give Michonne to the governor, hatched a plan where he and Michonne would go kill the governor themselves and then return together to the prison. That would solve the problem on a few levels. I personally don't see Woodbury following the same path they are on if the governor was removed from the equation, but who knows. I thought Merle creating a lil walking dead army with the blaring car radio was just brilliant. Visually awesome. Too bad he was so sloshed that he didn't use that as effectively as he could have (unless his plan was more about doing general damage as opposed to taking out the gov).

Mets – Willets Point Mar 27 2013 01:29 PM Re: The Walking Dead

What's the over/under on Judith (aka Little Asskicker) surviving the season finale? Babies and toddlers are tv director's nightmare so I wouldn't be surprised if she conveniently and tragically dies in the Woodbury attack. The other tactic they could try is to flash forward a couple of years at the start of season 4.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 27 2013 01:35 PM Re: The Walking Dead

Chadler Riggs (Carl) is a bigger issue; if they don't kill him off they'll have to jump forward between most seasons because he'll age more visibly than the other characters.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 27 2013 07:42 PM Re: The Walking Dead

Just saw the episode... the acting on the show's gotten better, generally. But man alive, are Norman Reedus and Rooker, like, light years beyond the others, performance-wise. That moment in the last scene, where he shoves Zombie-Merle away while bawling... it's like, in grief, he turns right back into the six-year-old kid who just wanted his bad, bad brother's approval. And then it just explodes into the tantrum-like rage... it's just so natural, it pushes the scene from touching to heartrending. As for the adolescent Carl... well, he's 13 now, so these are the tricky shoals to navigate. Once the voice drops and they get through the next year, I'd imagine they can believably slow the clock somewhat. IIRC-- COMIC SPOILER ALERT-- the baby doesn't make it through Woodbury/the Prison alive in the books... but then, when she bites it, it's in the arms of her still-alive mother, as an older infant. So who knows? I have a strong feeling, though, that at least one of Gang Greene doesn't make it out alive.

Mets – Willets Point Mar 29 2013 10:34 AM Re: The Walking Dead

The Walking Dead is really an eerie retelling of Toy Story.

Mets – Willets Point Apr 01 2013 08:07 AM Re: The Walking Dead

*SPOILERS* The season finale had some unexpected twists and despite our speculation Judith and all the Greenes survived. In retrospect, the Governor self-destructing actually seems to be the most plausible means by which the prison group survives this war. Other thoughts: * Compelling drama with the Governor, Milton, and Andrea in the torture chamber. * The plan to protect the children was to send them out in the woods with Hershel outside the fortified prison building even though they knew that the Governor had spies watching? * Carl is turning into the L'il Governor. The "Carl is becoming a sociopath" plot was used in the comics, but I think they're developing it better in the tv show. * There totally needs to be a wacky spinoff series with the Governor, Martinez, and Shupert as the only people left in Woodbury. Each episode the Governor gets into some crazy hijinks, and Martinez and Shupert look at one another and say "There he goes again." * Glad that Tyreese and Sasha are joining the prison group. Tyreese was one of my favorites in the comic book so I hope he gets a bigger role in the tv show.

Vic Sage Apr 01 2013 08:12 AM Re: The Walking Dead

SPOILERS It was driving me crazy how long Andrea was taking to get those pliers, as Milton was about to die and eat her. She's busy CHATTING with him, for crissakes. He's dying and even he has enough sense to tell her to hurry up. I'm glad she's dead. I liked the actress, but her character never made a lick of sense to me.

Mets – Willets Point Apr 01 2013 08:17 AM Re: The Walking Dead

Vic Sage wrote: It was driving me crazy how long Andrea was taking to get those pliers, as Milton was about to die and eat her. She's busy CHATTING with him, for crissakes. He's dying and even he has enough sense to tell her to hurry up. I had that sense to, although I think all the Andrea/Milton scenes were supposed to have taken place over just a few minutes of actual time but were stretched out to intensify the drama. I still was biting my nails watching her try to lift the pliers with her toes.

Vic Sage Apr 01 2013 08:29 AM Re: The Walking Dead

i literally had to fast forward because i was yelling at the screen, "shut up and get the fucking pliers, you stupid cow!" which was certainly unkind on my part, but not necessarily uncalled for.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 01 2013 01:47 PM Re: The Walking Dead

* Carl is turning into the L'il Governor. The "Carl is becoming a sociopath" plot was used in the comics, but I think they're developing it better in the tv show. The Riggs kid has come a LONG way with the acting-- he's sold Carl's arc really well, and the back-and-forth between Child Soldier Carl and his still intrinsically-idealistic dad was one of the best-played non-zombie scenes in the whole damn series. (And... well... damn MY eyes if Child Soldier Carl didn't make some very good points.) * There totally needs to be a wacky spinoff series with the Governor, Martinez, and Shupert as the only people left in Woodbury. Each episode the Governor gets into some crazy hijinks, and Martinez and Shupert look at one another and say "There he goes again." [45 minutes pass, then...] MARTINEZ: So... GOVERNOR: [Grunts] SHUPERT: So... [5 minutes of silence] MARTINEZ: So... um... where are we going, exactly? GOVERNOR: [Sneers, shoots engine block]

Zvon Apr 06 2013 11:44 AM Re: The Walking Dead

Finally watched this last night. Funny thing, over the week I talked to two people I usually touch base on with the show. I told em quick I didn't see it yet and I asked if anyone dies (figured for sure we'd lose a front line player at least, and I do count Woodbury losses as deaths) and both said, very convincingly, no, no one dies. Cripes, like half the show died. lol Good ep. Bye Andrea. I could never really trust her cause of how she was on the X files. Har.

Mets – Willets Point Jul 20 2013 03:36 PM Re: The Walking Dead

Season 4 trailer. [youtube:q4s5qj10]FSi2fJALDyQ[/youtube:q4s5qj10]

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 29 2013 01:53 PM Re: The Walking Dead

Yeah, so, Carol is the new badass (or is she covering for a murderous little girl?) I didn't much count on that happening. Also, I wish this show was better.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 29 2013 06:19 PM Re: The Walking Dead

Right? The writing's gotten somewhat better, but, well... you can really see the work that went into these scripts, and I don't mean that as a compliment.

soupcan Nov 18 2013 11:27 AM Re: The Walking Dead

Love this..

Mets – Willets Point Nov 18 2013 11:37 AM Re: The Walking Dead

Is the 99% of the population number mentioned in the show? Does it account for continuing conversion of people who are killed or die into walkers?

soupcan Nov 18 2013 11:38 AM Re: The Walking Dead

I think you're missing the point.

Mets – Willets Point Nov 18 2013 12:06 PM Re: The Walking Dead

soupcan wrote: I think you're missing the point. Not really. I'm not quibbling, just curious.

TransMonk Nov 22 2013 07:46 PM Re: The Walking Dead

I started watching on Netflix about 6 weeks ago and have finally caught up after watching last Sundays show. I was looking for something now that Breaking Bad is gone, and while this is not Breaking Bad, it's something. Like the thread mentions, the writing and performances are hit or miss and the characters are sometimes a little too cliche for me. But as far as TV fare goes, it's entertaining and I never thought I would find the zombie apocalypse interesting enough to spend that many hours occupied by watching it. My main complaint with the show is the 40 or so seconds of each show that is intensely gory. I understand it's a horror show and I'm not afraid of violence...but going for the almost campy gore cheapens some of the drama they are attempting to achieve, IMO. It's completely unnecessary to tell the story. The same goes for Game of Thrones and the 90 seconds of soft-core porn they include with every episode.

Mets – Willets Point Nov 24 2013 09:54 AM Re: The Walking Dead

I hadn't realized that a new season has started. I need to catch up.

TransMonk Dec 02 2013 09:36 AM Re: The Walking Dead

I'm still adapting to these small mini-seasons. I'm not terribly impressed with Season 4 at all. I think I'm only at 50/50 for tuning back in when the show resumes in February.

Vic Sage Dec 02 2013 09:48 AM Re: The Walking Dead

i stopped watching after last season; i just couldn't handle the relentlessly awfulness of that world any longer, and I didn't want to spend any more time there. I still watch TALKING DEAD, though, just to keep up with the goings on.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 02 2013 09:53 AM Re: The Walking Dead

I dunno. That was a pretty exhilirating half-season finale, IMO, even if the Guv was a total cartoon villian. Why not kill Michonne when he had the chance? OF COURSE she was gonna gut him with her sword. What the hell?

TransMonk Dec 02 2013 10:03 AM Re: The Walking Dead

I dislike the Governor as a character. So maybe I'll enjoy it more now that he's dead...or is he?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 02 2013 10:17 AM Re: The Walking Dead

I think his new girlfriend finished the job. I suppose there's a question of what happens to them. Also I think my suspicion that carol was taking the hit for her homicidal younguns was correct. That they saved Tyreese sorta balances the scales of justice.

TransMonk Dec 02 2013 10:32 AM Re: The Walking Dead

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I think his new girlfriend finished the job. She turned her gun toward the camera (from the point of view of the Guv) and pulled the trigger. It wouldn't surprise me if we find out that the Guv had been wearing some sort of metal under his eye patch and that the bullet never hit his brain. He is left to walk as a zombie...the first one we see with an actual discernible vendetta left over from his first life. The zombies have a leader! I haven't read the comics...how far does the story go before the TV writers actual have to continue the story on their own?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 02 2013 12:02 PM Re: The Walking Dead

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Also I think my suspicion that carol was taking the hit for her homicidal younguns was correct. That they saved Tyreese sorta balances the scales of justice. Even in this cartoon universe, you could see half-educated, subsistence-fed kids getting the idea to Ultimate-Quarantine the sick as prophylaxis? Cartoony and writ large and ultimately not half the story that other AMC "prestigers" present, but... hey, my heart was pounding. Splitting 'em up provides a nice opportunity to do some actual character work and tell some interesting, non-rehashed stories, but, well... the writers have fumbled such chances before.

Mets – Willets Point Feb 23 2014 11:50 PM Re: The Walking Dead

Anyone still watching this? I like this show best when it documents the every day struggles to survive in the post-acpocalypse world. I like it least when they come up with contrived situations for survivors to want to kill one another, usually ending up with a Mexican standoff. So for me the midseason finale was kind of crap, but the first three episodes since the break are exactly what I like best. And I think there's been more character development in these three episodes than in the preceding year.

Mets – Willets Point Feb 23 2014 11:56 PM Re: The Walking Dead

TransMonk wrote: I haven't read the comics...how far does the story go before the TV writers actual have to continue the story on their own? The TV show deviated from the comics somewhere around the time Rick took on the gang of Latinos and their old age home. Some of the basic settings follow the comics, but it deliberately holds no predictive value. [Comic spoilers]Actually, a number of characters - Dale, Andrea, Sophia - are still alive at this point in the story after the prison falls. The TV show has a thing for killing people off earlier in their storylines. [/comic spoilers]

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 24 2014 07:39 AM Re: The Walking Dead

Mets – Willets Point wrote: Anyone still watching this? I like this show best when it documents the every day struggles to survive in the post-acpocalypse world. I like it least when they come up with contrived situations for survivors to want to kill one another, usually ending up with a Mexican standoff. So for me the midseason finale was kind of crap, but the first three episodes since the break are exactly what I like best. And I think there's been more character development in these three episodes than in the preceding year. Wasn't it like, Mexican Standoff City last night? I get your point of course, but to the extent the character development I can do without Carl becoming a snotty emo douche. In the meantime, they lived at that prison forever. You'd think they'd have designated a meeting place in the event they got split up by now. If not as a group, then Glenn and Maggie for god sakes. Right? And for people who walk everywhere, they sure are encountering a lot of people in a small area yet always seem to be the first to where they arrive. You'd think they might have stumbled across the prison or something before. I like Dr. Eugene!

TransMonk Feb 24 2014 02:19 PM Re: The Walking Dead

I'm still watching...barely.

Mets – Willets Point Feb 24 2014 03:22 PM Re: The Walking Dead

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Wasn't it like, Mexican Standoff City last night? Yeah, it's things like groups of villains so evil that they'll fight to the death over a bed that strain credulity. But on the other hand, the scenes from Rick's perspective were really tense. It's also Rick as we've never seen him before, because he's always ready to negotiate or fight, but here he's just trying to get out. I thought the Carl & Michonne scenes were excellent. John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: You'd think they'd have designated a meeting place in the event they got split up by now. If not as a group, then Glenn and Maggie for god sakes. The comic books are actually better than the tv show in this way in that they actually depict the characters considering logistics. For example, the comics routinely have characters siphoning out gas from abandoned cars, while on the tv show they just seem to have a bottomless tank. (Oh, and in the comics their meeting place outside the prison was Herschel's farm, which wasn't destroyed). John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I like Dr. Eugene! It will be interesting to see how Eugene's story deviates from the comics.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 24 2014 04:02 PM Re: The Walking Dead

I don't think they fought to the death over a bed. I think the guy choked out his buddy over a bed. Which I've actually kinda seen before, in a pre-apocalypse world. The hiding bit with Rick loses a little tension if you've read the Story of Rick prequel webcomics, and you know about his 1988 Hide And Seek County Championship. The Carl and Michonne scenes were this show's version of excellent, which is more like pretty-good. This show's really far better when nobody's talking, and everybody's doing.

Mets – Willets Point Feb 24 2014 08:22 PM Re: The Walking Dead

College was like that. All the guys in the dorm were always choking one another to see who got the best bed.

TheOldMole Feb 25 2014 04:13 PM Re: The Walking Dead

The whole premise of the prison breaking up and the characters thrown into diaspora is a great one. For me, the show continues a high level of suspense, depth of characterization, and very little redundancy, all of which is pretty hard to maintain over this length of time.

Zvon Mar 30 2014 09:55 PM Re: The Walking Dead

I can finally read this thread. Had a five ep marathon including the finale today.

Zvon Mar 30 2014 10:15 PM Re: The Walking Dead

TheOldMole wrote: The whole premise of the prison breaking up and the characters thrown into diaspora is a great one. For me, the show continues a high level of suspense, depth of characterization, and very little redundancy, all of which is pretty hard to maintain over this length of time. I agree with the birthday boy. Especially watching in a bunch in a row like I did. There were emotional rollercoasters. In that perspective the finale had kind of a happy ending, which it really wasn't. The writing is never cliche when you expect it to be. They have written very compelling scenes for every actor/actress in it this season, and really fleshed out the characters. IMO his is still a great show.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 31 2014 05:24 AM Re: The Walking Dead

Fun episode. (minor spoilers below) **************************** Was thinking during the dirtbag monologue the only thing that would save them was a zombie attack. That was a great solution.

Mets – Willets Point Mar 31 2014 09:32 PM Re: The Walking Dead

Also SPOILERY. I thought the Evil Kris Kristofferson was going to be the next big bad, but Rick goes for the jugular and that's all for him. So pretty much the entire fanbase thinks Terminus is a cannibal cult. Is that the case, or will there be another big twist.

Zvon Mar 31 2014 09:41 PM Re: The Walking Dead

Mets – Willets Point wrote: Also SPOILERY. I thought the Evil Kris Kristofferson was going to be the next big bad, but Rick goes for the jugular and that's all for him. So pretty much the entire fanbase thinks Terminus is a cannibal cult. Is that the case, or will there be another big twist. They passed by an area with lots of gory,bloody bones when they were being led to the train car. They didn't look like zombie bodies. Cannibal cult fits in with that.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 01 2014 11:48 AM Re: The Walking Dead

Dude, they're serving post-apocalyptic barbecue, with nary a farming operation in sight. If they're not cannibals, then Mother Kate is, like, a Chopped grand-champion, with a whole lot of MacGyver in the mix.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 01 2014 11:53 AM Re: The Walking Dead

I expect they're cannibals. But the meat could have been venison.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 01 2014 11:59 AM Re: The Walking Dead

A friend also suggested the candles were made of people parts. Also there was the foreshadowing of Rick showing Carl the "rabbit trap" as a means of getting food. The fact that the captors appear to be douchy cartoon hipsters portends some fun breakout action in the fall. Also, they are already quite stupid. Why would they let them have their weapons when the plan was to capture them? Why throw them in the same rail car with a known ally they've already demonstrated a willingness to kill for? Why take a chance not killing people clever enough to have snuck up on their whole operation?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 01 2014 12:03 PM Re: The Walking Dead

I suspect they won't kill anyone they hope/expect to eat, because of the zombie-ishness meat-'freshness' issue. And, well... some folks will do anything for barbecue, I guess.

TransMonk Apr 03 2014 07:35 AM Re: The Walking Dead

Cannibals for sure. The finale ensured that I will begin watching again in the fall...after the rest of this season I was thinking it would be 50/50. I'm glad Rick stopped being a pussy. I enjoy the manic/unstable character a bit more. Andrew Lincoln has done a pretty great job with the part over the years. I just found out last week that he is English. His American accent (southern to boot) had me fooled for many seasons.