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SABR 2013

Kong76 Nov 30 2012 12:29 PM

The date for the annual NYC meeting has been announced. All 'poolers are encouraged to attend. SABR membership is not required, and you don't have to drink the kool-aid unless you want to! http://nyc.sabr.org

Kong76 Dec 29 2012 11:45 AM Re: SABR 2013

The media release for upcoming meeting: http://nyc.sabr.org/SABR2013.pdf

Ceetar Dec 29 2012 01:05 PM Re: SABR 2013

That's January 26th, in case you're link-allergic.

Kong76 Dec 29 2012 01:23 PM Re: SABR 2013

Did I mess up? Everything works here on two machines.

Ceetar Dec 29 2012 01:50 PM Re: SABR 2013

nah, just meant that if you're curious of the date prior to clicking/reading.

Kong76 Dec 29 2012 03:07 PM Re: SABR 2013

Ok, thanks

G-Fafif Dec 29 2012 03:20 PM Re: SABR 2013

I am rumored to be attending.

Kong76 Jan 10 2013 07:42 PM Re: SABR 2013

The schedule for the January 26th meeting was posted today. I hope the CPF can draw a few more to the meeting. Membership in SABR is not necessary and it's an interesting day of baseball in the dead of winter. http://nyc.sabr.org/SABR2013Sch.pdf

Ceetar Jan 10 2013 08:07 PM Re: SABR 2013

not sure yet, maybe. Thinking about attending the National one in Philly as well this summer.

Kong76 Jan 24 2013 01:01 PM Re: SABR 2013

One last reminder that this is on this coming Saturday. Hope to see a few of you, we can do a beer and burrito down the street during lunch break.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 24 2013 01:12 PM Re: SABR 2013

yup

Ceetar Jan 24 2013 01:16 PM Re: SABR 2013

I here there's this cool "Beer Table Pantry" thing in Grand Central.

Kong76 Jan 24 2013 01:22 PM Re: SABR 2013

I'm coming into GCT, I'll see what I can find out

Ceetar Jan 24 2013 01:25 PM Re: SABR 2013

Graybar Passage (near 43rd and Lexington) Grand Central Terminal New York, NY 10017 Across from Track 13 in the Northeast corner of the building near Lexington Avenue and 43rd Street info@beertable.com events@beertable.com Mon-Fri: 8AM–10PM Sat: 10AM–9PM Sun: 12PM–7PM Sixpoint Spice of Life Nelson Sauvin Greenport Harbor Other Side Captain Lawrence Captain's Kölsch Three Heads Bromigo Southern Tier 2X Stout Dogfish Head Raison D'Etre

Kong76 Jan 24 2013 01:33 PM Re: SABR 2013

Screw SABR, we'll meet there at 10!

Ceetar Jan 24 2013 01:39 PM Re: SABR 2013

I think I'm 54/46 coming/not coming right now.

G-Fafif Jan 26 2013 05:04 PM Re: SABR 2013

CPF flag flown by JCL and myself. Worthwhile day, especially T.J. Quinn on PEDs and Marty Appel on MFYs. Mets sort of a ghostly presence in the overall program of a SABR chapter devoted to New York baseball, though I'm happy to report The Happiest Recap found a receptive audience of otherwise unserved fellow travelers. (Order your copy today!) One uberprecocious kid (TROUT Angels jersey over RAUUUUUL MFY shirt, topped by orange Marlins cap) was overindulged to the point of my wanting to box his ears a little, but that probably says something about me and children. My two raffle prizes were this: (albeit with cover missing and original PR review copy note still inside from 1978) and this: (co-authored by 1981 Mets wife(y) Nancy Marshall, who was about to divorce hubby Mike; Bobbie had already given up on Jim). Nice folks all around, even the overindulged kid. Bitter cold this morning. Less so when program was over. Highly recommended for January 2014.

Edgy MD Jan 26 2013 05:26 PM Re: SABR 2013

Nice. There's something gratifying about picking up a book with the review-copy materials still tucked into it. That's an orphan book that has never had a home.

G-Fafif Jan 26 2013 05:31 PM Re: SABR 2013

It's been picked up, I believe, because also in it is a Reduce Reuse Recycle bookmark with the chasing arrows logo that wasn't around in 1978 -- and the bookmark has a Copyright 1998 message, to boot. But still. On the raffle prize table was the infamous We Won Today by Kathryn Parker -- 1976 girl Mets fan/journalist -- which I would've grabbed had I not eBay'd it four years ago.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 26 2013 05:32 PM Re: SABR 2013 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 26 2013 06:49 PM

Yes. I bailed before the last speaker but I thought the presentation by Vince Gennaro was cool. He demonstrated how the common-sense assumption that pitching is better in the post-season is true (better pitchers absorb considerably more innings in the postseason than in the reg. season) and so hitting results against that group (where batters get no more chances than in the regular season) can highlight certain hitters (Jeter, slightly better in the postseason; Beltran STUPIDLY better, etc etc). Raises as many questions as it answers, as good research tends to. Overindulged kid was somewhat irritating I agree, but better than the shlumpy, rude old-timer sitting in front of him who interrupted Gennaro's presentation by asking "WHAT'S OPS?" and later wasted Appel's time with a ridiculous question about the Yankees. Twice! "Other teams wear pinstripes. WHY DO THE YANKEES CALL THEMSELVES PINSTRIPERS?!" Seriously? If there's one place you wouldn't expect to hear "What's OPS?" it's at a SABR meeting; the oldtimeryness of that chapter is embarrassing sometimes. I was the first to correctly answer this trivia question: Most recent Met in the Hall of Fame?

G-Fafif Jan 26 2013 05:39 PM Re: SABR 2013

The "pinstripers" question was bizarre and Appel handled it well by mostly ignoring it (perhaps by not understanding it exactly, either). I found "what's OPS?" revealing to the extent that it indicates a baseball research group doesn't necessarily equal mind-numbing sabermetric-intensive talk; four of the five presentations weren't statistical in nature. But OPS is pretty mainstream in 2013, I think. Agreed on quality of Gennaro's hypothesis -- he's trying to find out and admits he doesn't quite know. Last guy was a little dry and got cut short, but the content, on how sportswriters frame certain star players, was worthwhile. Though I only SABR'd in 2010 and this was my first winter meeting, I attended this chapter's book groups in the early 2000s. Its membership skewed old then. Lot of familiar faces a dozen years later, skewing even older. No wonder they loved Kid Precocious.

Edgy MD Jan 26 2013 05:43 PM Re: SABR 2013

Alomar?

G-Fafif Jan 26 2013 05:50 PM Re: SABR 2013

Edgy MD wrote: Alomar? Give that man a... Actually, there were no prizes for correct trivia answers. Just enhanced or deflated self-esteem.

Kong76 Jan 26 2013 06:16 PM Re: SABR 2013

Sorry I missed youse guys (the overindulged kid and shlumpy rude dude too) but I really was not doing so hot this morning. Thought it best not to be around 150 people on folding chairs for five hours.

G-Fafif Jan 26 2013 06:38 PM Re: SABR 2013

Kong76 wrote: Sorry I missed youse guys (the overindulged kid and shlumpy rude dude too) but I really was not doing so hot this morning. Thought it best not to be around 150 people on folding chairs for five hours. You were missed, even if your potential germs weren't. Hope you're feeling better.

Kong76 Jan 26 2013 06:58 PM Re: SABR 2013

Thanks, dude

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 26 2013 07:02 PM Re: SABR 2013

G-Fafif wrote: The "pinstripers" question was bizarre and Appel handled it well by mostly ignoring it (perhaps by not understanding it exactly, either). I found "what's OPS?" revealing to the extent that it indicates a baseball research group doesn't necessarily equal mind-numbing sabermetric-intensive talk; four of the five presentations weren't statistical in nature. But OPS is pretty mainstream in 2013, I think. Agreed on quality of Gennaro's hypothesis -- he's trying to find out and admits he doesn't quite know. Last guy was a little dry and got cut short, but the content, on how sportswriters frame certain star players, was worthwhile. Though I only SABR'd in 2010 and this was my first winter meeting, I attended this chapter's book groups in the early 2000s. Its membership skewed old then. Lot of familiar faces a dozen years later, skewing even older. No wonder they loved Kid Precocious. Yes. I think I went my first winter meeting in 2003 and I have to say the crowds have gotten better in spite of its old-ness. At some point the people running the chapter will have to turn it over to the next generation (they've been in charge since I joined)... and maybe then it embraces the edgier stuff that it seems most other chapters do. Having a strong historical bent to the group is great but it can't just be oldtimers. Appel was extremely PRish in all his responses I thought, but that guy really lives and breathes his material. He told a great story about how little the 1903 MFYs and pre-1903 Baltimore Orioles had in common, even though the franchise is said to have moved, no players/management/ownership etc came with them. But there was a safe in MFY Stadium with drawers where players put their valuables. ... which upon examination had drawers for 90s O's stars We Willie Keeler, King Kelly, etc. Went missing in '75 renovation though.

themetfairy Jan 26 2013 08:34 PM Re: SABR 2013

Feel better Kase!

Edgy MD Jan 27 2013 02:14 PM Re: SABR 2013

On the other hand, he posts more when he's sick, so... .

Kong76 Jan 27 2013 02:28 PM Re: SABR 2013

Thanks, tmf ... you too, Edgemeister.