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Hamilton to Angels?!?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 13 2012 12:22 PM

Mystery team! Speculation naturally is that they'd then swap out Bourjos and Trumbo to the Mets for Dickey.

Edgy MD Dec 13 2012 12:26 PM Re: Hamilton to Angels?!?

That would make them instant favorites in my book.

bmfc1 Dec 13 2012 12:28 PM Re: Hamilton to Angels?!?

Both of the teams in Los Angeles are getting the name free agents! As a Mets fan, I hate it when the big market teams do that.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 13 2012 12:33 PM Re: Hamilton to Angels?!?

This is a done deal apparently. 5 years. Now to work that trade.

Edgy MD Dec 13 2012 12:39 PM Re: Hamilton to Angels?!?

You like it as described? A slugger without a position who doesn't walk, and a glove-first centerfielder. Both still have time to improve. This deal would really shore the team up, but neither is a game-changing talent.

Edgy MD Dec 13 2012 12:53 PM Re: Hamilton to Angels?!?

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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 13 2012 01:08 PM Re: Hamilton to Angels?!?

This probably amps up the Rangers-Angels rivalry a little.

seawolf17 Dec 13 2012 01:20 PM Re: Hamilton to Angels?!?

NO to Dickey for Trumbo & Bourjos.

Edgy MD Dec 13 2012 01:25 PM Re: Hamilton to Angels?!?

I probably agree. Anybody else?

Benjamin Grimm Dec 13 2012 01:26 PM Re: Hamilton to Angels?!?

Doesn't tempt me either. I'd instead see if this makes the Rangers a bit more desperate.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 13 2012 01:26 PM Re: Hamilton to Angels?!?

Throw in Trout and I'm in. Those guys are useful pieces-- potentially-- but not game-changers.

Edgy MD Dec 13 2012 01:28 PM Re: Hamilton to Angels?!?

It'd be kinda like trading Seaver all over, but only getting Steve Henderson and Dan Norman.

Edgy MD Dec 13 2012 01:31 PM Re: Hamilton to Angels?!?

The Phillies were in on Hambone at the end, so... bullet dodged.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 13 2012 01:41 PM Re: Hamilton to Angels?!?

I kinda like it better than this Olt thing being bandied about, but hey I'm all for them doing better. Yeah, throw in Trout too. We just ought not underestimate what a right-handed slugger and a centerfielder who can go get it would mean to the club.

Ceetar Dec 13 2012 01:55 PM Re: Hamilton to Angels?!?

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I kinda like it better than this Olt thing being bandied about, but hey I'm all for them doing better. Yeah, throw in Trout too. We just ought not underestimate what a right-handed slugger and a centerfielder who can go get it would mean to the club. I expect it will look a lot like Hairston and Torres except with more runs scored against by the lack of Dickey pitching.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 13 2012 01:57 PM Re: Hamilton to Angels?!?

What's the deal on Mike Olt? He sounds like he's a good player (He's 24 and .288/.398/.579 with 28 homers in 95 games in the Texas League in 2012), but the Mets seem unenthusiastic and I also read that the Braves didn't want him. Is it because of questions about his ability to play the outfield? His lack of AAA experience? Or is it something else?

Edgy MD Dec 13 2012 02:01 PM Re: Hamilton to Angels?!?

Angels deny Bourjos/Trumbo-Dickey proposal.

Ceetar Dec 13 2012 02:03 PM Re: Hamilton to Angels?!?

Benjamin Grimm wrote: What's the deal on Mike Olt? He sounds like he's a good player (He's 24 and .288/.398/.579 with 28 homers in 95 games in the Texas League in 2012), but the Mets seem unenthusiastic and I also read that the Braves didn't want him. Is it because of questions about his ability to play the outfield? His lack of AAA experience? Or is it something else? might not be major league ready yet for one and the Mets need major league outfielders. Doesn't play the outfield. Maybe he can, maybe he can't..do we need another guy learning on the job?

Frayed Knot Dec 13 2012 02:04 PM Re: Hamilton to Angels?!?

Trumbo, as far as I can tell, would be limited to strictly LF, and I'm not real sure how good he'd be there. He also plays 1B & 3B but not here he isn't. Real good power, walks are low-ish and he's never going to be a high-BA guy so the OBA stays low too. Funny thing is, when I went looking up Angels stats at BB-Ref a link directs you to a Mets blog the writer of which was slobbering over Trumbo while wondering who, in addition to Dickey!! we'd have to give up in order to get him. Bourjos, if he plays like he did in 2011, would be worthwhile but that season is, as of now, a sample size of one. He got <200 ABs this season. A legit GG-caliber CF and a speedster, the question is the bat. The article on MLB.com mentions Kendry Morales also (Angels have a ton of redundant players now - aka DH types) but he's more positionally limited than Trumbo. I'd be more tempted to go after prospects at this point even though unproven if you had a reasonable guess that they can be an impact hitter (Olt, Myers). Not sure that any of those guys are.

Frayed Knot Dec 13 2012 02:06 PM Re: Hamilton to Angels?!?

Benjamin Grimm wrote: What's the deal on Mike Olt? He sounds like he's a good player (He's 24 and .288/.398/.579 with 28 homers in 95 games in the Texas League in 2012), but the Mets seem unenthusiastic and I also read that the Braves didn't want him. Is it because of questions about his ability to play the outfield? His lack of AAA experience? Or is it something else? I'm not sure who's down on Olt. He has limited OF play under his belt but should be young enough and athletic enough to handle a corner spot anyway and he's as close to being ML ready as you're going to get.

Ashie62 Dec 13 2012 03:34 PM Re: Hamilton to Angels?!?

Olt's fine..geez..Texas made room for him to start at 3B Is Dickey still a Met?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 13 2012 06:47 PM Re: Hamilton to Angels?!?

Olt's fine..geez..Texas made room for him to start at 3B ... by signing Adrian Beltre to a 6-year deal that runs through 2016? Olt is a good power prospect (though one that strikes out a LOT, with decent walk rates) and a good-to-very-good defensive 3B. We're a little occupied there. If you move him to a corner OF position, not only does it remove value for offensive-position-scarcity reasons, it also removes a good portion of what his value is as is. Put another way: Olt MAY be a good player, but he's a bad fit for this team.

Frayed Knot Dec 13 2012 07:33 PM Re: Hamilton to Angels?!?

If Olt's going to be an elite hitter - certainly not a given one way or the other at this point but he did put up just shy of 300/400/600 in AA this year - and is even competent as a corner OF, and would be under club control for at least his age 24 thru 30 seasons, he'll be a good fit just about anywhere. The question which remains (assuming Texas is even thinking about this sort of trade) is how highly Sandy et al think of his chances to be that guy.

Ashie62 Dec 13 2012 08:57 PM Re: Hamilton to Angels?!?

Trumbo and Bourjos would fill 2/3 of the OF and are Wilpon priced.

Frayed Knot Dec 19 2012 05:13 PM Re: Hamilton to Angels?!?

Angels make the first step in getting rid of so of their outfield/1B/DH clutter by dealing Kendrys Morales to the Mariners for LHP Jason Vargas. Morales is the 29 y/o Cuban emigre who broke his leg in a home plate celebration in May of '11 and didn't play again until the beginning of 2012 - and even then he played just 120 games and only 28 of them in the field. Anyone remember Jason Vargas? Yeah, me either - but he was a Met for about 20 minutes in 2007. The 2nd round 2004 draft pick by the Marlins, Vargas was acquired in November of '06 from Florida along with Adam Bostick for reliever Matt Lindstrom and catcher-turned-pitcher Henry Owens. Vargas pitched a whopping 10 innings for the Mets and managed to give up 14 runs on 17 hits and as many HRs and Ks (4) while doing so. He spent the rest of the 2007 season in AAA New Orleans pitching only marginally better and then missed all of 2008 with an injury. So there were certainly few tears when he re-surfaced at the end of 2008 on his way to Seattle as part of the massive 3-team deal that brought JJ Putz & reliever Sean Green to the Mets. He split 2009 between AAA and Seattle. Since then has been a full-time an increasingly effective starter in 2010-2012 to where he was 14-11; 3.85; 1.18 this past year effectively being the Mariners' #2 starter behind Felix Hernandez.

RealityChuck Dec 19 2012 08:25 PM Re: Hamilton to Angels?!?

Jack Hamilton? Tony Conigliaro won't be happy.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 19 2012 09:29 PM Re: Hamilton to Angels?!?

The Mets pissed away Vargas to make a show of obtaining worthless but Brand Name Closer in JJ Putz. The very deal that showed you how far off the tracks they'd take the club as long as the illusion of improvement was achieved.