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An Elementary School?
LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 14 2012 10:18 AM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Dec 14 2012 10:23 AM |
Breaking: Mass shooting in Newtown, Connecticut elementary school. Multiple injured, including teachers and students... at least one young child dead. One gunman dead... law enforcement looking for possible second shooter.
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metirish Dec 14 2012 10:21 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
Been watching this.....sickening
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 14 2012 10:39 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
motherficking violence in this country is ridicuous
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 14 2012 10:40 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
Preliminary count: 27 confirmed dead; 14 kids.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 14 2012 10:41 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
fuck
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metirish Dec 14 2012 10:45 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
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where are you seeing that?
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themetfairy Dec 14 2012 10:50 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
Horrible. Just horrible....
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metirish Dec 14 2012 10:51 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
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seeing it now on CBS..........there are no words
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cooby Dec 14 2012 10:55 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
OMG...
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 14 2012 11:02 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
Revised, per WCBS News: at least 18 kids dead.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 14 2012 11:17 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
just revolting.
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seawolf17 Dec 14 2012 11:22 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
Horrifying on every level; I don't even have words.
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cooby Dec 14 2012 11:26 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
My daughter is an elementary school teacher. At her first school, in Wilmington, a father came into the school with a gun. Thank god he called ahead, because he was apprehended when he got there.
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metirish Dec 14 2012 11:29 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
I just can't imagine as a parent taking that drive to that school and not knowing.......awful
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G-Fafif Dec 14 2012 11:43 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
Newtown is the late Dana Brand's neck of the woods. I went up there for his memorial service. Beautiful little New England town. Geez.
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seawolf17 Dec 14 2012 12:00 PM Re: An Elementary School? |
I realize, as a former journalist, how completely helpless reporters can be sometimes. You want to share real information as soon as you can, but there just isn't much of anything to say right now.
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metirish Dec 14 2012 12:01 PM Re: An Elementary School? |
A body has been found in the home of the suspect......
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seawolf17 Dec 14 2012 12:03 PM Re: An Elementary School? |
So what now, parents? How do we talk with MiniWolf about this when he get home? This is one of those things they don't tell you about in Parent School.
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metirish Dec 14 2012 12:05 PM Re: An Elementary School? |
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I hear you, I think Lorcan at five is maybe too young to comprehend this...I just want to be home with my family right now.....
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cooby Dec 14 2012 12:08 PM Re: An Elementary School? |
Paul Adams BBC News, Washington For some time, the apparent lack of panic outside the school led networks to report that the death toll was low, including the gunman and members of staff. But over the past hour, an altogether more horrific picture has emerged. With the police still sweeping the school, there are reports that an entire class, possibly a kindergarten, remains unaccounted for.
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themetfairy Dec 14 2012 12:13 PM Re: An Elementary School? |
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I don't know what I'm going to say to MK. Hug your kids a lot tonight. Tell them how much you love them.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 14 2012 12:24 PM Re: An Elementary School? |
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Hoping we're not in a position to have to address it so directly. One inconvenience I'm glad of, it's next to impossible to get into my kid's school if you're not a kid.
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cooby Dec 14 2012 12:30 PM Re: An Elementary School? |
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/20734267
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metirish Dec 14 2012 12:37 PM Re: An Elementary School? |
Reports saying the suspects mother was a teacher at the school, she is among the dead.......
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cooby Dec 14 2012 12:46 PM Re: An Elementary School? |
How scary would it be to be there with all those people walking around with guns and not knowing if they are more bad guys?
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metirish Dec 14 2012 12:50 PM Re: An Elementary School? |
Seems like this suspect was targeting his mother
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Edgy MD Dec 14 2012 01:06 PM Re: An Elementary School? |
Great. Cyber-vigilantes looking to get somebody.
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metirish Dec 14 2012 01:12 PM Re: An Elementary School? |
Yeah, that is awful....CBS is showing that guy .....
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 14 2012 01:13 PM Re: An Elementary School? |
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You want to talk about it with them before warped adults or nasty older kids do, or garbled, distorted versions of it otherwise reach them somehow. They find out; I'd rather they find out from me. Hell, Artie's 2 1/2, and when she saw a Visitor's Guide to the memorial lying around the other day, she ended up asking and listening about 9/11.
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cooby Dec 14 2012 01:29 PM Re: An Elementary School? |
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So this is another Ryan Lanza?
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 14 2012 01:35 PM Re: An Elementary School? |
Word is shooter may have has his id? Stoopit.
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Edgy MD Dec 14 2012 01:40 PM Re: An Elementary School? |
A scared shitless one, outed on the news.
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cooby Dec 14 2012 01:43 PM Re: An Elementary School? |
God love him. That is so cruel. Isn't today bad enough without somebody hurting somebody just to be "funny"?
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seawolf17 Dec 14 2012 01:55 PM Re: An Elementary School? |
That's terrifying too, especially in a digital era like this... that someone who just happens to have the same name as you perpetrates a crime like this. It'll destroy your life by association.
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cooby Dec 14 2012 02:19 PM Re: An Elementary School? |
Now they are saying it was the younger brother all along!
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Swan Swan H Dec 14 2012 03:07 PM Re: An Elementary School? Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 14 2012 05:04 PM |
Moved to Gun Control thread.
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Edgy MD Dec 14 2012 03:09 PM Re: An Elementary School? |
This afternoon, I spoke with Governor Malloy and FBI Director Mueller. I offered Governor Malloy my condolences on behalf of the nation, and made it clear he will have every single resource that he needs to investigate this heinous crime, care for the victims, counsel their families.
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seawolf17 Dec 14 2012 03:26 PM Re: An Elementary School? |
Really hard to watch the president break up like that.
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Centerfield Dec 14 2012 05:53 PM Re: An Elementary School? |
Just reading about this now. Oh my god.
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cooby Dec 14 2012 07:31 PM Re: An Elementary School? |
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MFS62 Dec 14 2012 08:50 PM Re: An Elementary School? |
I am deeply shaken, no only for what happened but what might have happened.
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Edgy MD Dec 15 2012 09:40 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
Has any major news story ever been so consistently and broadly dogged by such terrible reporting?
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Edgy MD Dec 15 2012 11:27 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
So, for those wondering how to talk your kids, I have no clue, but a lot of folks --- including some more experienced in tragedy than I am --- are sharing this. It's more for talking to folks directly hurt, but...
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 15 2012 02:17 PM Re: An Elementary School? |
There's a pretty good guide to the basics at the Times site, if you haven't yet used your ten free articles this month:
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Fman99 Dec 15 2012 03:41 PM Re: An Elementary School? |
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Every day. ALL the time.
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Mets – Willets Point Dec 15 2012 07:39 PM Re: An Elementary School? |
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Pretty much. This just reassures me that I'm not hugging them too much.
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metirish Dec 18 2012 06:25 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
Can't watch the news anymore, the media are like fucking vultures, do they need to report from each funeral?, does Dr. Phil need to be up there?
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Centerfield Dec 18 2012 07:50 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
I cannot watch any coverage or read an article without tearing up. Even the post cover had me choked up this morning.
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seawolf17 Dec 18 2012 08:00 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
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I just read the story about the psychologist who found the six kids who escaped Ms. Soto's classroom sitting in his driveway. I'm tearing up just thinking about it.
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Benjamin Grimm Dec 18 2012 08:01 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
I'm pretty much avoiding the coverage. I don't need to know the details and it's all too horrible to focus on.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 18 2012 08:18 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
Yup. While in this case the ridiculously easy access to guns ought to raise debate about controlling them (I would advocate melting them, going after manufacturers, distribtors, etc) the bigger problem is a crazy young man control issue. I don't know if this is true but I read that a study found that of 43 shoot-em-ups, 42 of them were committed by a troubled young man who had confided in somebody that they had thoughts of doing such a thing but obviously were out there in the street. We need to institutionalize more, and probably self-medicate less.
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Edgy MD Dec 18 2012 08:46 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
I listened to the memorial service during a long drive yesterday, because it was important to me to hear what the president is thinking.
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Edgy MD Dec 18 2012 09:30 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
A profiteer feels shame and acts to lift further shame off themselves. That's a good day.
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batmagadanleadoff Dec 18 2012 09:50 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
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/rolls eyes --- 'Cause this has nothing to do with Cerberus's private belief that the gunmaker's $tock is about to drop.
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metsmarathon Dec 18 2012 09:56 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
in general, medical care for hte mentally ill is in a shameful state in this country, and likely in the world.
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Edgy MD Dec 18 2012 09:58 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
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Oh, I'm pretty sure it's dropped precipitously already. But if shame is represented in the marketplace as a declining share price, that's good too. We just have to sustain that until gun manufacturers become a hot potato that nobody wants to hold. (And then some Austrian firm sweeps in and buys them up at rock bottom prices.)
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metirish Dec 18 2012 10:02 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
Excellent post MM
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Ceetar Dec 19 2012 06:47 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
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There is this too. These psychiatric drugs in general seem scary as it is and this is reportedly the one Lanza was on. Mental illness doesn't seem like something you can just throw a pill at.
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metsmarathon Dec 19 2012 07:51 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
was he actually taking them, or was he just prescribed them? had he been taking them and stopped? had he been taking them in conjunction with therapy, or just standalone?
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Ceetar Dec 19 2012 08:03 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
Doesn't say. In fact, it claims it was mentioned in the linked daily news article but beyond a comment mentioning it I don't see it in the article. (Was updated?)
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metsmarathon Dec 19 2012 08:10 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
i have a very close relative who is affected by this. as a result of a deep-seeded distrust of "medicine" and "doctors" and "drugs" and "chemicals" i have seen what a lack of treatment - a lack of medicine - does.
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Ceetar Dec 19 2012 08:21 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
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Oh, yeah lack of treatment is bad, I just feel like the drugs are treated as some sort of magic pill at times and not as the literally brain-altering substances they are. Do you think there are enough checks and balances and monitoring in place?
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metsmarathon Dec 19 2012 08:25 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
i wish my relative were engaged enough in the whole "treatment" thing for me to have formed an opinion on the matter. what i can say is that there are very few, it seems, resources available to help those who want to help those who don't think they need help.
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Ceetar Dec 19 2012 08:51 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
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Can't imagine it's cheap either.
yeah. brain-altering drugs to balance brain-altering illness. Sounds volatile and tricky. It's not the drugs themselves I'm concerned with as much as the back and forth trial and error period. I'm definitely on board with more funding and research into the brain. scary place with so much seemingly unknown.
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themetfairy Dec 19 2012 09:13 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
All the best mm - I can only imagine how difficult the situation with your relative is for you. The best of good vibes!
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MFS62 Dec 23 2012 08:09 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
My daughter's Brother-In-Law is a policeman in Stamford. He was riding security/ traffic control at one of the Newtown funerals. His motorcycle was hit by a car and was hospitalized with broken knee and elbow.
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cooby Dec 23 2012 04:13 PM Re: An Elementary School? |
Geez, I hope he heals soon.
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Edgy MD Jan 15 2013 08:09 PM Re: An Elementary School? |
Just reading about the psychologist who reportedly found a bunch of the surviving children huddled in his driveway getting waves of electronic and phone harassment. Do people really believe this entire event was staged as a pretext to take away their guns?
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HahnSolo Jan 16 2013 07:06 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
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Based on the reactions I've seen on the social media, yes.
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Edgy MD Jan 16 2013 07:34 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
So, how does it go? That citizens of the town and their family and friends are all in on some fake staged event and that none of the dead are real? Or that the administration somehow programmed the killer to shoot up the school and then turn the gun on himself to cover their tracks?
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metirish Jan 16 2013 07:50 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
Nothing surprises me, some of these people still think Obama is Muslim and wasn't born here, what does often surprise me is that some of these people are wildly successful and I would think quite smart, hard to correlate those two sides.
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Edgy MD Jan 16 2013 08:04 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
I would think it would be easier for Obama to achieve the presidency despite covering up the alleged truth about his faith and his birth locale than it would be to stage a fake massacre at an elementary school in a bucolic town in Connecticut.
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Vic Sage Jan 16 2013 08:48 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
So it was all a conspiracy to grab their guns? Wow.
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MFS62 Jan 16 2013 08:53 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
Speaking of "White Lunatic", this humanitarian pops up again with his take.
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metirish Jan 16 2013 09:01 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
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WOW...
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 16 2013 09:07 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
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Bravissimo. Can you post this on my wacko right friend's facebook page please?
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Mets – Willets Point Jan 16 2013 09:12 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
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Very well said Vic.
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Vic Sage Jan 16 2013 09:16 AM Re: An Elementary School? Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jan 16 2013 09:22 AM |
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it would have simply been a holocaust of a different sort. An armed civilian population spread out through the country would simply have been exterminated in combat against an industrialized, efficient, heavily armed military dictatorship. Just as here, as Edgy rightly stated above, the possession of assault rifles by civilians won't protect Rocker and his brethren from Apache helicopters, or Abrams tanks rolling in under cover of MQ1 Predator drones launching Hellfire missiles, or hundreds of thousands of ground troops armed with M4 carbine rifles and all manner of explosive tech. So lets stop with the insurrection nonsense.
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Benjamin Grimm Jan 16 2013 09:19 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
It's always struck me as strange to think that any government would say that treason is an inalienable right.
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Mets – Willets Point Jan 16 2013 09:22 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
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Kind of like the Warsaw Uprising which ended with 200,000 civilian deaths and the city destroyed. It took 7 years and the combined military forces of dozens of countries to actually topple the Nazis and end the Holocaust.
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Edgy MD Jan 16 2013 09:31 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
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From the secret minutes of the last cabinet meeting:
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Edgy MD Jan 16 2013 09:43 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
So, to be clear, Rocker's undeniable fact is, in fact deniable.
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cooby Jan 16 2013 10:31 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
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I'm surprised Rocker admits the Holocaust really took place
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themetfairy Jan 16 2013 10:55 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
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Thanks cooby - that made me laugh.
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Edgy MD Jan 16 2013 10:56 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
The president acts:
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TransMonk Jan 16 2013 11:11 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 16 2013 11:37 AM Re: An Elementary School? |
Bravo, Vic.
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metirish Jan 16 2013 01:53 PM Re: An Elementary School? Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 16 2013 03:24 PM |
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Sandy Hook truthers inspire MLB player to "wonder"
http://deadspin.com/5976532/those-godda ... enard-span
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Edgy MD Jan 16 2013 02:02 PM Re: An Elementary School? |
I watched a few minutes of that video. I just had to.
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metirish Jan 16 2013 03:26 PM Re: An Elementary School? |
Just saw an NRA TV commercial that talked about Obama's kids and how they have armed guards so why doesn't he want them for your children?
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Vic Sage Jan 16 2013 03:35 PM Re: An Elementary School? |
we do have armed guards; they're called policemen. as for Obama's kids' guards, they are specially trained individuals who are obliged to give their lives for those kids, and those kids are walking targets for every wacko on the planet. Guarding them is the least we can do for anybody willing to be president who puts himself and his family in the crosshairs.
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cooby Jan 16 2013 03:39 PM Re: An Elementary School? |
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Didn't mean it as a funny, but I am glad it loaned some levity to a bad subject ;)
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 16 2013 04:43 PM Re: An Elementary School? |
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Same. My "favorite," I think, are the "these parents are obviously not grieving" bits.
I know the President is required by federal law to accept Secret Service protection; I'm not certain about the family, but... it stands to reason, doesn't it?
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metirish Jan 16 2013 05:33 PM Re: An Elementary School? |
Yes it stands to reason, but these people don't act like reasonable at all.
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