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The Spirit of Kurt Loder: Music News of 2013

Edgy MD
Jan 03 2013 08:30 AM

No mention of Christine McVie unretiring, but...

Fleetwood Mac Prepares to Go on Tour, Dominate New Year

We bet you were wondering what 2013 was going to be the year of. The year of funny hats? The year of global warming? The year of Channing Tatum (again)? It’s been a mystery until this point, but is now a mystery no longer, with Stevie Nicks’ revelation to Rolling Stone that her band, the legendary pop/rock outfit Fleetwood Mac, would be reuniting for a new tour next spring, their first since 2010. “It’s the perfect time to go back out,” Stevie Nicks said of the tour to Rolling Stone. “2013 is going to be the year of Fleetwood Mac.”



Bandmate Lindsey Buckingham also got into the nitty gritty of the setlist, predicting about “75% hits” for the tour. “We always have to play ‘Dreams,’ ‘Rhiannon,’ ‘Don’t Stop,’ ‘Tusk,’ ‘Big Love,’ ‘Landslide’ and all our most famous songs,” said Buckingham. “Maybe we’ll play more songs from Tusk. I’d also like to see an extended middle portion of the show that’s just me and Stevie.” And Stevie adds one more crucial detail: “We actually have two new Fleetwood Mac songs that I cut with Lindsey two weeks ago we might play…I had a really good time working with him for four days at his house. I got to hang out with his family and his kids, his grown up kids, and really connect with him again. ”

75% hits! Two new songs! Obscure Tusk tracks! Well, if we weren’t excited for a new tour before, we damn sure are now. April 4th at MSG, we’ll do our damnedest to be there for sure. Complete list of tour dates and some of our favorite Tusk deep cuts below:

4/4 Columbus, OH – Nationwide Arena
4/6 Philadelphia, PA – Wells Fargo Center
4/8 New York, New York – Madison Square Garden
4/9 Washington, DC – Verizon Center
4/11 Louisville, KY – KFC Yum! Center
4/13 Chicago, IL – United Center
4/16 Toronto, ON – The Air Canada Centre
4/18 Boston, MA – TD Garden
4/20 Uncasville, CT – Mohegan Sun Arena
4/23 Ottawa, ON – Scotiabank Place
4/24 Newark, NJ – Prudential Center
4/26 Pittsburgh, PA – CONSOL Energy Center
4/28 St. Paul, MN – Xcel Center
4/30 Kansas City, MO – Sprint Center
5/1 Tulsa, OK – BOK Center
5/3 Little Rock, AK – Verizon Arena
5/12 Winnipeg, MB – MTS Centre
5/14 Saskatoon, SK – Credit Union Centre
5/15 Edmonton, AB – Rexall Place
5/17 Calgary, AB – Scotiabank Saddledome
5/19 Vancouver, BC – Rogers Arena
5/20 Tacoma, WA – Tacoma Dome
5/22 San Jose, CA – HP Pavilion st San Jose
5/25 Los Angeles, CA – Hollywood Bowl
5/26 Las Vegas, NV – MGM Grand Arena
5/28 Anaheim, CA – Honda Center
5/30 Phoenix, AZ – US Airways Center
6/1 Denver, CO – Pepsi Center
6/4 Dallas, TX – American Airlines Center
6/5 Houston, TX – Toyota Center
6/7 Tampa, FL – Tampa Bay Times Forum
6/8 Fort Lauderdale, FL – BB&T Center
6/10 Atlanta, GA – Philips Arena
6/12 Detroit, MI – Joe Louis Arena

Mets – Willets Point
Jan 03 2013 09:06 AM
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They should just do a tour of CVS franchises around the country playing "Landslide."

Edgy MD
Jan 03 2013 09:12 AM
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Nice.

My takeaway is that Madison Square Garden and Joe Lewis Arena are the last two hockey/basketball arenas in the country whose name isn't an advert.

"KFC Yum! Center"? What?

Gwreck
Jan 03 2013 09:37 AM
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The Palace of Auburn Hills in Detroit. New Orleans Arena. The Rose Garden in Portland. And, for a few more years, the Nassau Coliseum in scenic Uniondale. I think that's it.

I actually went to that arena in Louisville a few months ago. Refused to use that name on principle.

Edgy MD
Jan 03 2013 09:39 AM
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On that list, there's also Hollywood Bowl.

HahnSolo
Jan 03 2013 01:32 PM
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They consider "Big Love" one of their signature hits?

Edgy MD
Jan 03 2013 01:34 PM
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Hey, I happen to be at this very moment (and almost always) lookin' out for love --- BIG BIG love.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jan 03 2013 01:41 PM
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HahnSolo wrote:
They consider "Big Love" one of their signature hits?


Buckingham does. He chews up the scenery performing it "solo" spotlight on him and his little guitar, no drumming, no chicks singing.

Edgy MD
Jan 03 2013 01:51 PM
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A quick ride around the internet sez:

[list][*]Bobby Womack may have early onset Alzheimers.[/*:m]
[*]Green Day hits the road in March.[/*:m]
[*]Steinway is no longer for sale, which is cool.[/*:m]
[*]Taylor Swift is number one on the album charts. Adele had the top-selling album of 2012.[/*:m]
[*]Jay-Z doing the original score for The Great Gatsby, starring the Second Spitter.[/*:m]
[*]BMG has acquired the Nirvana and Tears for Fears catalogs, which I find kinda funny and kinda sad.[/*:m]
[*]Patti Page: Still dead. Fontella Bass too.[/*:m][/list:u]

TransMonk
Jan 03 2013 02:10 PM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
HahnSolo wrote:
They consider "Big Love" one of their signature hits?


Buckingham does. He chews up the scenery performing it "solo" spotlight on him and his little guitar, no drumming, no chicks singing.

It's pretty f'ing amazing when he does, too. Totally different song than the album version.

Gwreck
Jan 08 2013 10:55 AM
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New Bowie album (first in ten years) announced today.

A Boy Named Seo
Jan 08 2013 10:59 AM
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First new Bowie track. I like.

[youtube:3t4vxtmn]FOyDTy9DtHQ[/youtube:3t4vxtmn]

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jan 08 2013 11:26 AM
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I've been having this weird feeling for months now that David Bowie is going to die suddenly. I suppose that it's been a few months and there's a new album coming speaks to the inaccuracy of my feelings but you know. If we had a "death pool" at CPG he'd be my ace in the hole kinda pick.

Edgy MD
Jan 09 2013 11:13 AM
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You Deadspin readers probably caught this, but odd to find out that Tony LaRussa's wife is a huge metalhead.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jan 09 2013 12:23 PM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
I've been having this weird feeling for months now that David Bowie is going to die suddenly. I suppose that it's been a few months and there's a new album coming speaks to the inaccuracy of my feelings but you know. If we had a "death pool" at CPG he'd be my ace in the hole kinda pick.


Sadly, a nice pick. He's reportedly had multiple heart attacks, and doesn't fly anymore, right? T'is a shame, as up until about ten years ago, I was CONVINCED he would, like, outlive me.

The song is pretty-- I think what gets me is the fragile, single-track vocals... it feels a little like Johnny Cash's later stuff.

Mets – Willets Point
Feb 01 2013 12:51 PM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 01 2013 01:08 PM

First, Eddie Veder releases an album of ukulele music. Then Beck releases an album only as sheet music. Now Bryan Ferry ups the ante once again with an album of songs from throughout his career rearranged in the style of a 1920's jazz band.

sharpie
Feb 01 2013 01:06 PM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
I've been having this weird feeling for months now that David Bowie is going to die suddenly. I suppose that it's been a few months and there's a new album coming speaks to the inaccuracy of my feelings but you know. If we had a "death pool" at CPG he'd be my ace in the hole kinda pick.


I've been in a dead pool for a long time and someone else has Bowie.

Mets--Willets Point wrote:
First, Eddie Veder releases an album of ukulele music. Then Beck release an album only as sheet music. Now Bryan Ferry ups the ante once again with an album of songs from throughout his career rearranged in the style of a 1920's jazz band.


Bryan Ferry has made, I think, two standards albums well before the likes of Linda Ronstadt, Rod Stewart, et al. Interesting for him to do his own songs. I'd like to hear it.

Swan Swan H
Feb 01 2013 02:47 PM
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Next, Lemmy from Motorhead plays Civil War ballads on tin whistle and hammered dulcimer.

sharpie
Feb 12 2013 12:24 PM
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Robyn Hitchcock writing on albums that meant alot to him. Me and Robyn have a lot in common, other than the Byrds and the Gillian Welch records, I've owned them all and many of them would be on a similar list of mine.

http://thequietus.com/articles/11363-ro ... ums?page=2

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Feb 12 2013 03:16 PM
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He should have called himself Steve Fabulous or something.

Swan Swan H
Feb 14 2013 02:16 PM
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JCL put a terrific cover of "Annie's Song" in the VD thread. The cut is part of a John Denver tribute album that will be available in a month or so. I first heard about it from Kathleen Edwards' Facebook fan page. Really looking forward to tracks 3, 6, 9, 12, 14, 15 and 16. The label lists 4/2 as the release date, but Amazon says it's 3/19.


Track Listing for John Denver: The Music Is You

1. My Morning Jacket – Leaving on a Jet Plane
2. Dave Matthews – Take Me to Tomorrow
3. Kathleen Edwards – All of My Memories
4. J. Mascis & Sharon Van Etten – Prisoners
5. Train – Sunshine on My Shoulders
6. Old Crow Medicine Show – Back Home Again
7. Lucinda Williams – This Old Guitar
8. Amos Lee – Some Days Are Diamonds
9. Allen Stone – Rocky Mountain High
10. Brett Dennen and Milow – Annie’s Song
11. Evan Dando – Looking for Space
12. Emmylou Harris & Brandi Carlile – Take Me Home, Country Roads
13. Blind Pilot – The Eagle and the Hawk
14. Mary Chapin Carpenter – I Guess He’d Rather Be in Colorado
15. Josh Ritter and Barnstar! – Darcy Farrow
16. Edward Sharpe and the Magnetic Zeros – Wooden Indian

Frayed Knot
Feb 14 2013 02:30 PM
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Have you seen that there's John Denver 'Concert Tour' going on?
Live shows of a band (supposedly containing members who originally backed Denver) playing Denver songs in front of video of JD singing, aka: "Live" shows starring John Denver!!

It all seems a bit odd to me but, hey, whatever contributes to the estate I guess.

Mets – Willets Point
Feb 14 2013 02:37 PM
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I've always liked the Toots & the Maytalls cover of "Take Me Home, Country Roads."

[youtube:25bnvdsj]0M1JJ8fAXHo[/youtube:25bnvdsj]

Edgy MD
Feb 14 2013 02:41 PM
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I guess the big omission is "Poems, Prayers, and Promises." "Calypso," too.

I'm probably going to dive into that record. And love it and hate it at the same time.

Mets – Willets Point
Feb 14 2013 02:44 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Have you seen that there's John Denver 'Concert Tour' going on?
Live shows of a band (supposedly containing members who originally backed Denver) playing Denver songs in front of video of JD singing, aka: "Live" shows starring John Denver!!

It all seems a bit odd to me but, hey, whatever contributes to the estate I guess.


That's creepier than Natalie Cole dueting with her dead father.

Swan Swan H
Feb 14 2013 03:06 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
I guess the big omission is "Poems, Prayers, and Promises." "Calypso," too.

I'm probably going to dive into that record. And love it and hate it at the same time.


John's 10 biggest hits, in descending order.

1. Annie's Song
2. I'm Sorry
3. Thank God I'm a Country Boy
4. Take Me Home, Country Roads
5. Sunshine on My Shoulders
6. Back Home Again
7. Calypso
8. Rocky Mountain High
9. Fly Away
10. Sweet Surrender

Mets – Willets Point
Mar 06 2013 09:30 PM
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Robyn Hitchcock explains why Christopher Cross' "Arthur's Theme" sucks

Edgy MD
Mar 07 2013 08:10 AM
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Not very charitable that. I mean, it is a dreadful song, but he admits it's not the worst --- and I have a hard time thinking of it as worse than "We Built This City" --- but he has a point to make about the dawn of Reaganism and he's going to weave themes together until he makes it.

What he hints at but doesn't quite drop his anchor on is that it's a terrible song because it's Frankensteined together by three distinct songwriting entities --- Christopher Cross, the team of Burt Bacharach and Carole Bayer Sager, and Peter Allen. Sager's seduction of Bacharach away from his longtime partnership with Hal David (no genius, but at least he's an honest fool) completed Burt's transformation from a music machine into a money machine, and the producers needed to bring in all these other giants makes it the epitome of a corporate track.

This is most jarring in the transition to the second verse where clearly a new lyricist has stepped in. Up until then you had a slice of Christopher Cross's distinct brand of elevator pop, which is dishearteningly bland, but again, at least it was honest. But then somebody realized that, while the lyrics have touched upon some the broader themes of the film, it hasn't underscored the specific plot points --- it isn't sufficiently serving as a commercial for the film. (This would become less of an issue in film themes later, when movie theme song singles had videos that would incorporate scenes from the movie.)

So the panicky producer makes a panicky call, brings in a plugged-in hitmaking beast from his speed dial, shows him or her the plot synopsis to a film they likely haven't even seen the rushes to, and he or she turns that into a mashed potato of a verse in eight to ten minutes, gets a big check, and buys another big car with it.

Where Robyn gets it dead right is that, as jarring as this transition is, the mix is so bland, you can scarce be bothered to care. "It’s as if you found that you had just become incontinent and soiled your clothing, but you’ve just been given an enormous amount of painkillers so it doesn’t matter. It’s a combination of defeat and indifference."

But "We Built this City" (also written by an incorporated committee of strange bedfellows in Bernie Taupin, Martin Page, Dennis Lambert, and Peter Wolf) pretends to rock, and in so doing, doesn't allow you the luxury of blissfully ignoring that you're rolling around in feces. Does that make it better or worse?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 09 2013 07:59 AM
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Twelve years after the death of its lead singer, Big Country releases a new album with Special Guest vocalist/frontman Mike Peters (of the Alarm) and new bassist Derek Forbes (ex-Simple Minds). Original Big Countrymen Mark Bryzicki (drums) and Bruce Watson (guitar) remain, along with Watson's son.

Edgy MD
Apr 09 2013 08:07 AM
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Mike Peters is definitely a spiritual cousin of Stuart Adamson. I hope they tour as Alarm Country or something.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 09 2013 08:26 AM
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Yes. A completely different singing voice of course. I dunno, I miss the black bass player, Tony Butler. Check him out here giving the funk to Pete Townshend.

I loved his shirt with the Japanese writing on it. Dana Roobunsteen's dad was a buyer for Macy's, he went on a trip to Japan and brought me back one.

[youtube:17a6787a]1XQ2KT8oZhw[/youtube:17a6787a]

Edgy MD
Apr 09 2013 08:31 AM
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I think the drummer there is also a future Big Countryman.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 09 2013 08:42 AM
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Yup, and also wearing an Asian-character t-shirt. I guess they went shopping together.

Edgy MD
Apr 22 2013 11:15 AM
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"Dude, I went to see the Cure and it rawked --- literally."

Edgy MD
May 04 2013 05:56 PM
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Monkees announce US tour.

Lose main frontman (if not main singer) Davy Jones, and Michael Nesmith finally rejoins the act on a permanentish basis.

Edgy MD
May 08 2013 11:55 AM
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Boomtown Rats reunite, announce Australian tour, and then cancel it due to poor interest.

#WhatWouldSpinalTapDo?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 24 2013 11:35 AM
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Really candid Billy Joel interview.

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/magazine/billy-joel-on-not-working-and-not-giving-up-drinking.html?hp&pagewanted=all

Edgy MD
May 24 2013 12:02 PM
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There weren’t that many piano players around — Leon Russell, me, Lee Michaels, one or two other guys.

Andrew Gold!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 24 2013 12:06 PM
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I'll bet he's right about Elton John being a Mom.

Amazin that he owes Columbia 5 more records, and doesn't look as though he'll get to even one of them.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Aug 29 2013 08:27 AM
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Matthew Sweet & Susanna Hoffs cover the 80s on theior forthcoming covers collection:

1. Sitting Still (R.E.M.)
2. Girls Talk (Dave Edmunds)
3. Big Brown Eyes (The dB's)
4. Kid (Pretenders)
5. Free Fallin’ (Tom Petty)
6. Save It For Later (The English Beat)
7. They Don’t Know (Kirsty MacColl)
8. The Bulrushes (The Bongos)
9. Our Lips Are Sealed (The Go-Go’s) LISTEN HERE
10. How Soon Is Now (The Smiths)
11. More Than This (Roxy Music)
12. Towers of London (XTC)
13. Killing Moon (Echo and the Bunnymen)
14. Trouble (Lindsey Buckingham)
Bonus Tracks on iTunes Deluxe Version:
* Train in Vain (the Clash)
* You’re My Favorite Waste of Time (Marshall Crenshaw)
* I Would Die 4 U (Prince)

seawolf17
Aug 29 2013 08:42 AM
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Their last record was really good.

Edgy MD
Aug 29 2013 09:34 AM
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I have to say, I thought the seventies one mostly sukked. The selections were songs that had been done to death and the arrangements were scarcely changed from the originals. Plus, their definition of "seventies' was technically accurate for their titles, but they picked songs that were more assocatiated with movements rooted in the sixties or eighties, leaving the collection thematically quite jumpy.

I'm interested in this collection, and here they may get it the other way around (which is better). "Girls Talk," for instance, is technically a 70s track, released by Dave Edmunds in 1979. Elvis released it as a B-side in 1980, so maybe that gives it a little more 80s oomph. Spritually, it's definitely an 80s track in the best sense of the word.

"They Don't Know" is also from 1979, but the bigger hit of it both in the UK and stateside was the Tracey Ullman cover in 1983. Also definitely rooted in the eighties spiritually as it captures the punk/new wave retro-fifties feel of the early 80s, more than the Grease/Happy Days retro-50s feel of the late 70s, if that makes any fucking sense at all.

Hard to improve on "How Soon Is Now?" and it'd take a hell of effort to make people to give an honest listen again to hear "Free Fallin'," which has long since faded into the cultural wallpaper.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Aug 29 2013 09:37 AM
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Yes, the excellent Burning Wood blog suggested an alternative track wish list.

Me Myself I- Joan Armatrading
Something So Strong- Crowded House
Salt In My Tears- Martin Briley
Voices Carry- Til Tuesday
It's My Life- Talk Talk
The Bitterest Pill- The Jam
Stop Draggin' My Heart Around- Stevie Nicks & Tom Petty
Fade Away- Bruce Springsteen
Wall Of Death- Richard Thompson
Kid- The Pretenders
More Than This- Roxy Music
Towers Of London- XTC
Killing Moon- Echo & The Bunnymen
Hey You- Pink Floyd
A Million Miles Away- The Plimsouls

Edgy MD
Aug 29 2013 10:04 AM
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My blog, which I'm launching in this post, says they should liberate themselves from the decade restrictions and instead anchor themselves in movements that had a more nebulous calendar definition and, if I may be so bold, debut this brilliant decision with a collection of power pop covers from 1978 to 1983.

1) "Teenage Kicks" by the Undertones
2) "What Do All the People Know?" by the Monroes
3) "It's All I Can Do" ---by The Cars
4) "Heading for the Texas Border by the Flaming Groovies
5) "Don't Wait Up for Me Tonight" by the Beat
6) "Crawling from the Wreckage" by Graham Parker, Dave Edmunds

(Twenty seconds of space, to simulate the album turning over)

7) "Ça Plane Pour Moi" by Plastic Bertrand
8) "Dover Beach" by the Bangles
9) "Stick It Where the Sun Don't Shine" by Nick Lowe
10) "Another Girl, Another Planet" by the Other Ones
11) "Cynical Girl" by Marshall Crenshaw
12) "Starry Eyes" by the Records

* Bonus track (after 40 seconds)
"Peanuts" by the Police

Mets – Willets Point
Aug 29 2013 10:20 AM
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The 50 Sexiest Songs of All Time. Like any list there are some arguable omissions, and puzzling inclusions, but I could see getting down to this list. While "Sexual Healing" may not be quite as sexy as "Let's Get it On" I think there's room for more Marvin in the top 50.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Aug 29 2013 04:23 PM
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I was just thinking to myself, "This list really needs more Marvin and Prince," when my eyes rolled back up to the intro graf, which averred that the editors imposed a two-song-per-artist thing to avoid "making this just a Prince and Marvin Gaye song list."

"Stir It Up" is a good one, as are a number of these. Also, if I remember correctly, the D'Angelo song ("Untitled (How Does It Feel)") actually led to a pregnancy scare for a much younger, MUCH drunker LWFS and partner.

Edgy MD
Aug 29 2013 04:32 PM
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Jeff Buckley --- suicide, accident, or some grey hybrid of the two?

Mets – Willets Point
Aug 29 2013 09:51 PM
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I always conflate Jeff Buckley and Jeff Healey. They probably don't have much in common other than "Jeff ......ley," guitars, and rising to prominence in the 90s, but I guess that's all it takes.

Edgy MD
Aug 29 2013 11:13 PM
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Both died ridiculously young.

Frayed Knot
Aug 30 2013 06:40 AM
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I've been known to conflate Jeff's father Tim Buckley with Tim Hardin. I think it's the Tim part that confuses me.
But also both were singers renown for their voice; folky-types but not in the social-protest stereotype sense of the time; and both died ridiculously young.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Aug 30 2013 07:05 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Jeff Buckley --- suicide, accident, or some grey hybrid of the two?


The Hallelujah book seems to indicate he just went for a swim and that he wasn't drunk. I dunno. RA Dickey almost drowned in one of them rivers and he wasn't drunk.

Mets – Willets Point
Aug 30 2013 07:50 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Both died ridiculously young.


Yeah, that too. :(

Mets – Willets Point
Oct 05 2013 01:25 PM
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Even when I was a kid I knew that the male narrator of Human League's "Don't You Want Me" was a creepy jerk, but that was probably because I always had to sing his part when singing a duet with the girl next door.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 07 2013 09:22 AM
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Speaking of creepy jerks, this story of John Mellencamp's dirtbag sons beating the shit out of a guy escaped notice.

Hud is a walk-on football jock at Duke U: [url]http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=22667&SPID=1843&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=4200&ATCLID=205587613&Q_SEASON=2013

Edgy MD
Oct 07 2013 09:42 AM
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Got the same link twice, both to Hud's profile, none to the story. NO WONDER IT ESCAPED NOTICE!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 07 2013 09:53 AM
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OK, should work now.

Edgy MD
Oct 07 2013 09:56 AM
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Hud and Speck. Ouch.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 07 2013 10:20 AM
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Wow. Today is John Cougar Mellancamp's 62nd birthday.

Frayed Knot
Oct 07 2013 10:29 AM
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Hud is a walk-on football jock at Duke U: [url]http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=22667&SPID=1843&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=4200&ATCLID=205587613&Q_SEASON=2013


Rich, privileged, undersized, white cornerbacks probably explains all you need to know about the (lack of) success of Duke football over the years.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 11 2013 07:35 AM
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Matthew Sweet & Susanna Hoffs cover the 80s on theior forthcoming covers collection:

1. Sitting Still (R.E.M.)
2. Girls Talk (Dave Edmunds)
3. Big Brown Eyes (The dB's)
4. Kid (Pretenders)
5. Free Fallin’ (Tom Petty)
6. Save It For Later (The English Beat)
7. They Don’t Know (Kirsty MacColl)
8. The Bulrushes (The Bongos)
9. Our Lips Are Sealed (The Go-Go’s) LISTEN HERE
10. How Soon Is Now (The Smiths)
11. More Than This (Roxy Music)
12. Towers of London (XTC)
13. Killing Moon (Echo and the Bunnymen)
14. Trouble (Lindsey Buckingham)
Bonus Tracks on iTunes Deluxe Version:
* Train in Vain (the Clash)
* You’re My Favorite Waste of Time (Marshall Crenshaw)
* I Would Die 4 U (Prince)


This came available to stream this morning. About 35 seconds into "Sitting Still" my ears came in my pants. Not every cut is gold (the Go-Gos clip might be the worst) but I like it overall.

Edgy MD
Nov 11 2013 08:55 AM
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Did they really pull of "How Soon Is Now?"?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 11 2013 09:16 AM
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Yes.

My faves are "Sitting Still" "Bulrushes" & "Towers of London" -- which are great choices to begin with: Just obscure enough to sound new again, and done well to boot.

Susie sings "More than This" and "Girls Talk" -- very nice.

Less successful: Save it for Later, Free Fallin

batmagadanleadoff
Nov 11 2013 09:38 AM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Matthew Sweet & Susanna Hoffs cover the 80s on theior forthcoming covers collection:




Was the '80's the worst decade for pop/rock music? Is there a nostalgia bug for the music of that decade? I guess this depends on how old you are.

TransMonk
Nov 11 2013 09:41 AM
Re: The Spirit of Kurt Loder: Music News of 2013

No "Manic Monday"?

Downloading NOW!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 11 2013 09:56 AM
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I'd argue that ~1979-1982 was a terrific era for music and ought to be appreciated beyond whatever nostalgic value they would hold for people who happened to be between the ages of 13 and 16 when that stuff came out, whoever they are.

Styles had changed pretty drastically by 1983 or 1984, with drum machines and synths becoming so dominant, largely due to the success of Michael Jackson, Madonna and those artists championed by MTV. It was such that even 60s-70s artists with good credibility were making records ruined by that style by the middle 80s. (Lou Reed, Rod Stewart, etc etc)

Much of what today might be considered "good music" from the 80s had sort of slipped beneath the surface and that is the source for many of the above picks. Also there were a few acts who could fly "above" that main jetstream and spent the 80s doing what they wanted like Springsteen and U2.

themetfairy
Nov 11 2013 11:10 AM
Re: The Spirit of Kurt Loder: Music News of 2013

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
I'd argue that ~1979-1982 was a terrific era for music and ought to be appreciated beyond whatever nostalgic value they would hold for people who happened to be between the ages of 13 and 16 when that stuff came out, whoever they are.



That's also the period when MTV first emerged. In the very beginning the new medium didn't greatly change the music, but after a while many artists started creating more visual works.

TransMonk
Nov 11 2013 11:57 AM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Styles had changed pretty drastically by 1983 or 1984, with drum machines and synths becoming so dominant, largely due to the success of Michael Jackson, Madonna and those artists championed by MTV.

Additionally, recording and listening mediums changed drastically in the 80's going from all analog to a lot of digital recording devices and consumers moving from vinyl to cassettes to compact discs. Most studio albums are recorded to fit the mediums popular in the day. Music today is made for a digital age...but in the mid-80s I think even the biggest producers would tell you that recording digitally was a work-in-progress experiment. Hearing music after it was converted to ones and zeros in one way or another was a new thing. Some people loved it and some didn't. Some musicians and producers did it better than others as well.

In my mind, a lot of music from the 80s sounds "dated" because this transition was a new frontier that took a while to figure out. Some would say we're not even there yet.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 11 2013 03:22 PM
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Thanks interesting Monk. So you are saying the belief was that fake drums sounded better on CD than "real" drums?

I sort of always assumed that the move to that terrible mechanized sound sort of reflected the larger societal move toward digital products, computers etc., but not that it facilitated it.

TransMonk
Nov 11 2013 05:07 PM
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I'm speaking more to the recording process rather than the instrumentation itself. Since the dawn of the LP, most studio albums go through three stages of transfer: the recording itself (the actual sound via microphone or input), mastering (the leveling of the album on the whole to produce what will be copied over and over) and the transfer to the consumer medium (vinyl, cassette, 8-track, CD, mp3, etc.). Before full length albums were made, songs were typically recorded live straight to vinyl, lacquer or metal masters that would be used to reproduce vinyl copies for the masses. Once albums became the norm and all throughout the "classic rock" years, thick metal tape was typically used to capture the recording and again it was mastered to lacquer or metal to transfer to vinyl, 8-track or cassette. All of these mediums (tape, lacquer, vinyl) are analog and there was no digital transfer involved.

In the eighties, with the dawn of the microchip, it became more cost effective to move towards digital means of recording and production. As long as the device's hard drive was big enough, there was no need for costly 2-inch thick tape that used 30 inches of length per second to record the raw sound. Mastering to a computer meant that it would be far easier to make copy upon copy without any degradation in the quality. Moving to CDs and mp3s as an end medium provided convenience to the consumer and cost savings to the record company.

In the late 80s, if you looked at the back of a CD box (remember when CDs came in boxes? what were they thinking), some would have a three letter indication of the recording process. AAD would mean that it was recorded to tape, mastered to lacquer or metal and then mass produced for CD...analog, analog, digital. Some would say ADD and some could have (although I don't recall any) said DDD.

Purists will tell you that if the sound is ever digitized that it will lose some of its audio quality. The best way to think about it is using the picture below...purists like the smoothness of the analog signal opposed to the jerkiness of the digital signal (and remember that this is at a highly magnified level).



Fortunately, most people (even those that say they can) can't tell the difference. You need either a very expensive and highly tuned stereo, or a bad digital recording to tell. In the 60's, if you wanted to add reverb to a vocal, it needed to either be run through a large box with either a spring or a metal plate inside it or you needed to record in a large concert hall. Now, you just use a computer program. One is real and one is fake, but it is hard to tell the difference 99% of the time if it is done correctly...

And this is where I think there were some problems in the 80s. Creators of music (and music software for that matter) have gotten much better at being able to produce manufactured sounds and methods of recording that sound like they were recorded ambiently (like in the analog days). Music in the 80s was made with producers that were working with hard drives rather than tape. They had to experiment with ways of obtaining compression and fidelity using methods that were brand new to them. Some did better than others and some embraced the new technology and let it drive their creativity. I think the ones that had less success were the ones that tried too hard to make the digital method of recording sound like an analog recording without really understanding what they were dealing with.

New music today is made to be played on an iPod or a computer or a CD. Music in the 60s and 70s was made to be played on a vinyl record player or a tape deck. In the 80s, there were a lot of options and a lot of unknowns. I have a friend who swears that if you really want to listen to Southern Accents by Tom Petty, you need to find an unopened cassette copy and a car with a cassette player and listen to it there. I'm not sure I would go that far, but I do think a lot of the "80s sound" has to do with the evolving of recording techniques at the time.

sharpie
Nov 12 2013 08:40 AM
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There are those who date December 3, 1965 as a signature date in pop music history.

On that date the Beatles released Rubber Soul, an album which had no singles on it (in the original American release, anyway) and on the same date released the single of Day Tripper/We Can Work It Out. The latter was meant to be heard out of a car radio with a pow which is how pop music had been engineered, the former to be listened to on those new component stereos that were all the rage where you can appreciate the frills and the harpsichords. Not sure what date you would use to usher in the later events to which Transmonk refers.

Edgy MD
Dec 04 2013 09:37 AM
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Billy Joel lands lifetime gig at Madison Square Garden.