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The meaning of "VALUE" in MVP

Bret Sabermetric Dec 11 2005 11:12 PM

Heard an interesting argument last month amidst the whole Arod/Ortiz issue: If you'd rather (and who wouldn't?) have Ortiz and 15 Mil (that you can spend on some other very good player) than A-Rod, doesn't that argue Ortiz's value? In other words, MVP discussions should include actual financial value as well, since a far cheaper player literally means you have cash to spend elsewhere. This argument wouldn't apply to significantly worse players (I don't want to hear the argument that Super Joe was the AL MVP last year), but if all else is equal, or nearly so, shouldn't the amount of $$$ a player earns become a part of the discussion? Discuss.

Nymr83 Dec 11 2005 11:33 PM

i'd say no...if only because pre-free agency players will have absurdly low contracts in comparison. i think "most valuable player" means the player who gave the most pure statistical value to his team, we should give GMs an award for having the guy with the best stats/cost ratio, not the players.

Zvon Dec 11 2005 11:38 PM

1)No. 2)Market values change. 3)Anything worth talking about is worth discussion.

Zvon Dec 11 2005 11:49 PM

bret,..i wanna publically apologize to you for getting in your face that one time. I saw a group pic here and you were in it, so your not just some bitter bastard who roams in here off the web. You know these people and they know you. If Id a known that, I never would have said those things and Im sorry. I really had no right. Yer still a dick tho...... J/K (~~~~~~~~~~OR IS HE???)

metirish Dec 11 2005 11:53 PM

]I saw a group pic here and you were in it, so your not just some bitter bastard who roams in here off the web. Bret might be insulted that you don;t think he's a bitter bastard...:)

Frayed Knot Dec 11 2005 11:57 PM

David Wright: More valuable than Pujols, Jones, and Lee!!!! Film at eleven

Bret Sabermetric Dec 12 2005 12:39 AM

Bret might be insulted that you don;t think he's a bitter bastard...:) But now I AM some bitter bastard who roams in here off the web.

Rockin' Doc Dec 12 2005 07:07 AM

Yeah, but you're our bitter bastard.

Bret Sabermetric Dec 12 2005 07:55 AM

Now, if everyone would just line up behind Zvon with your apologies, regrets, and retractions, this will go a lot faster...

Bret Sabermetric Dec 12 2005 08:00 AM

Zvon wrote: Anything worth talking about is worth discussion. Zvon, this part of New Jersey you come from, is it anywhere near Montclair? And are you a former Met catcher and manager in your eighties? Are you short and homely and Italian?

MFS62 Dec 12 2005 08:01 AM

Rockin' Doc wrote: Yeah, but you're our bitter bastard. I thought I was your bitter bastard. Later

martin Dec 12 2005 08:23 AM

maybe players should give back all their salary if the mvp race is tight, that way they would really increase their contribution to the team. better yet, maybe players could raise money themselves to sign other players to improve the team.

MFS62 Dec 12 2005 08:33 AM

martin wrote: maybe players should give back all their salary if the mvp race is tight, that way they would really increase their contribution to the team. better yet, maybe players could raise money themselves to sign other players to improve the team. Didn't Chipper Jones just do that? Later

Zvon Dec 12 2005 04:15 PM

Bret Sabermetric wrote: ="Zvon"]Anything worth talking about is worth discussion. Zvon, this part of New Jersey you come from, is it anywhere near Montclair? And are you a former Met catcher and manager in your eighties? Are you short and homely and Italian? HA. I was gonna say I couldnt fill Yogis shoes but I probly couldnt even fit em on.