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Edgy DC Dec 13 2005 08:36 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 13 2005 08:41 AM

How will the Mets commemorate the 1986 championship's 20th anniversary? Will they be able to effect a meaningful reunion? Will there be an old-timer's game? Will any ceremony they pull off include Bill Buckner? (Prediction: probably.) Tired issue: Will they make any further attempts to reach out to Darryl and/or Doc?

Elster88 Dec 13 2005 08:39 AM

]How will the Mets commemorate the 1986 championship's 20th anniversary. How about with a 2006 WS trophy?

metirish Dec 13 2005 08:46 AM

It would be hard to fathom why Bill Buckner would take part in a celabration of the Mets 1986 WS team, I know he teams up with Mookie for shows but why would he be on the Shea field for a Mets celabration.? No doubt they will try and get the whole squad together, but as you ask, what about Strawberry and Gooden, will Backman be there..should be interesting.

Edgy DC Dec 13 2005 08:48 AM

Because running out of the dugout, waiving, and ducking back in would increase his card-show base fee.

MFS62 Dec 13 2005 08:53 AM

Edgy DC wrote: Because running out of the dugout, waiving, and ducking back in would increase his card-show base fee. Are you talking about Buckner? The guy got basically run out of town, his house picketed by fans and his kids accosted by classmates in school. I don't think he has / triedto cash in on his bad world series moment like some others (Ralph Branca?) have. I think he has wanted to just forgetthe whole thing. On second thought, Shea might be the only remaining place where he could hear cheers. Later

Edgy DC Dec 13 2005 09:01 AM

Check again. He and Mookie have appeared for years together, signing photos of the ball scooting past him as Mookie rounds first. Thousands of them all over the internet. As for run out of town, he came back and played a half season with Boston in 1987, and returned in 1990 at 40 years old. Really, he's made a killing on the card show circuit, in Met-fan and Cub-fan circles, if not in New England. He's made such a career out of being a good sport, it's almost sad.

MFS62 Dec 13 2005 09:20 AM

Edgy DC wrote: Check again. He and Mookie have appeared for years together, signing photos of the ball scooting past him as Mookie rounds first. Thousands of them all over the internet. As for run out of town, he came back and played a half season with Boston in 1987, and returned in 1990 at 40 years old. Really, he's made a killing on the card show circuit, in Met-fan and Cub-fan circles, if not in New England. He's made such a career out of being a good sport, it's almost sad. Didn't know that. Thanks. I just remembered all the stories about what happened to his family right after the Series. Since I'm not a card collector, that got right past me. (I know, bad joke) Later

Edgy DC Dec 13 2005 10:10 AM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Dec 13 2005 10:37 AM

I could be totally wrong, but I got the feeling that Fred Wilpon has thought about this a lot in recent years. And I guess he's had Jay Horwitz (and maybe Frank Cashen) doing a lot of advance work trying to sort this out. But if an onfield reunion --- and one that recalls more positives than negatives --- is to happen, they've got their work cut out for them. Many of the principle players will be unavailable due to their employment elsewhere. Speculatively, assuming an on-field reunion is scheduled: Rick Aguilera: I’ve totally lost track of him since he retired. Chance that he'd show: 75%, I guess. Rick Anderson: Employed by some other team, but they might be in town. Chance that he'd show: 10%. Wally Backman: Possibly feuding with Mets, but it's in his interest to show up graciously. Chance that he'd show: 75%. Bruce Berenyi: His out-ness seems to have flown under the radar, and he could show just to get some pro-gay publicity. Chance that he'd show: 30%. Gary Carter: Employed by Mets in development. Shows up for stuff. Chance that he'd show: 90%. Tim Corcoran: The Mets will pursue him with all the eagerness of Gary Marshall pursing the Malachi twins for the Happy Days reunion. Chance that he'd show: 5%. Ron Darling: Broadcasting for some other team. Still, could get some time off, or that team could be in town. Chance that he'd show: 85%. Lenny Dykstra: Employed in part by the Mets and currently seeking to build his image for baseball and non-baseball interests. Disproportionately popular. Chance that he'd show: 95%. Chance that he'd make a show out of taking the field with a filthy uniform front: 50%. Kevin Elster: Don’t know what he’s up to. Cashen may still be mad that he doused him. Chance that he'd show: 65%. Sid Fernandez: Keith liked him and could place a call. Chance that he'd show: 75%. Chance that he'd have a bizarre injury that keeps him out: 20%. George Foster: Reconciled with the team, but the end of his tenure remains an unhappy chapter in the 1986 story. Nonetheless, a self-promoter. Chance that he'd show: 70%. John Gibbons: Bullpen catcher during postseason. Currently managing some other team. But they might be in town. Once kind of bitter the Mets didn’t give him a big league job. Chance that he'd show: 10%. Dwight Gooden: “Dwight, it’s Gary. Listen, we take this one day at a time. Smile nice for a camera with Davey Johnson in March. Shake Wilpon’s hand in April. Visit a hospital with a Mets hat in May… I’m getting ahead of myself. One day at a time, and you showing up for this re-union thing in July could be your way of making up in small part for missing the parade in 1986. It could be the beginning of the rest of your life, Uncle Dwight. Are you there…?” Chance that he'd show: 20%. Ed Hearn: Professional motivational speaker. Still friends with Gary, supposedly. Still, health and travel issues and other commitments could interfere. Chance that he'd show: 75%. Danny Heep: Huge two-run single in game three. Not a deal breaker, but probably has no other commitments. Chance that he'd show: 80%. Keith Hernandez: Mets broadcaster. Chance that he'd show: 100%. Stan Jefferson: Last I heard, he was said to be a New York City police officer, and it’d be cool if he took the field in uniform, save for a Mets hat. Very little PT for him on this team, though. Chance that he'd show: 55%. Howard Johnson: Employed in the system. Very popular. Chance that he'd show: 85%. Ray Knight: Professional spokesman for stuff. It's in his interest to keep his small but well-timed Mets legacy alive. Chance that he'd show: 85%. Barry Lyons: Nine lousy at-bats that year, having been sent to Tidewater to rehab and then losing his job to Hearn. He’s from Biloxi, which got smothered by Katrina, but then ignored, relative to New Orleans, so maybe he’d show in order to publicized a Biloxi-aiding charity. Chance that he'd show: 10%. Dave Magadan: Relatively popular. Hitting instructor, though, with some other team. Chance that he'd show: 15%. Lee Mazzilli: Coaches some other team. Chance that he'd show: 50%. Roger McDowell: Employed by some other team, but they might be in town. Chance that he'd show: 20%. John Mitchell: Is that John Mitchell moment worth a round-trip plane ticket and one-night stay in a hotel to the cheap-assed Mets? Chance that he'd show: 10%. Kevin Mitchell: Last heard from managing an independent minor-league team. Chance that he'd show: 65%. Randy Niemann: Still probably has enough friends left in the front office that he’d come if asked nicely. Chance that he'd show: 70%. Bob Ojeda: Left the Mets organization a few years back, bitching about a prior regime. Chance that he'd show: 60%. Jesse Orosco: He’s sort of a dealbreaker also, like Keith and Mookie. Need him to throw his glove in the air. Chance that he'd show: 90%. Rafael Santana: No idea what he's up to. Elicits few positive or negative reactions from Mets fans. Will be conspicuous neither in his presence nor absence. A previous regime might have given less energy to finding him than Omar’s might. Chance that he'd show: 70%. Doug Sisk: I doubt he needs the headache. Chance that he'd show: 25%. Darryl Strawberry: Spring training instructor last year, but since stumbled again on his elusive road from disgrace to rehabilitation. Chance that he'd show: 35%. Tim Teufel: Employed in the system. Chance that he'd show: 85%. Mookie Wilson: Loyal logn-time employee in many capacities. He and Keith may be the only ones whose absence would cancel the whole thing. Chance that he'd show: 100%.

metirish Dec 13 2005 10:16 AM

Good work Edgy, I wonder about Davey Johnson, I'm sure he'd show but is he tight with the club these days?

Edgy DC Dec 13 2005 10:20 AM

Probably. Mad Dog, I think, scrod up the last interview he did with Johnson in New York, but I think he's good with the team and he's been looking after their best minor-league asset this winter.

Valadius Dec 13 2005 10:31 AM

It all depends on his schedule with the national team I should think. Mel Stottlemyre (pitching coach) is now available for the reunion as well, having left the MFYs. But Lee Mazzilli has returned to the MFYs as bench coach if I remember correctly. Roger McDowell is the new pitching coach in Atlanta. Howard Johnson is Norfolk's hitting coach. Gary Carter is manager of the Gulf Coast Mets.

MFS62 Dec 13 2005 10:48 AM

Santana is an interesting case. He was a throwback to the days when shortstop was a defensive position and middle infielders weren't counted on to provide much offense. He played more games at his position than any other infielder on that club except Kieth. He is probably the most forgotten regular on that club. Later

Johnny Dickshot Dec 13 2005 11:01 AM

Santana was the worst everyday shortstop in the NL that year, though not a particularly strong year for SSs. By OPS+ Brooks, MON 162* O Smith, STL 99 Thon, HOU 83 Dunston, CHC 82 A. Thomas, ATL 71 Uribe, SF 70 Templeton, SD 69 Duncan, LA 68 Jeltz, PHI 60 Stillwell, CIN 56 Belliard, PIT 55 Santana, NYM 52 *-tragically injured; replaced by rookie Luis Rivera, who out-OPS+ed Santana 58-52

Frayed Knot Dec 13 2005 11:39 AM

The team started it's reconciliation with Strawberry last year. Gooden's attendance will be a bit tougher. True he's no longer a ward in the world of Master Steinbrenner who most assuredly would have deemed Doc's presence in the office to be critical on the day of any reunion. On the other hand, it's possible he'll be a ward of the state of Florida instead and they'll likely be even bigger sticklers for keeping him homebound.

G-Fafif Dec 13 2005 01:25 PM

="Edgy DC"]Rafael Santana: No idea what he's up to. Elicits few positive or negative reactions from Mets fans. Will be conspicuous neither in his presence nor absence. A previous regime might have given less energy to finding him than Omar’s might. Chance that he'd show: 70%. Not to mistake your perception of the general for my very personal, but I LOVED Rafael Santana. He was a family favorite in that disproportionate way you have assigned to Lenny Dykstra (he was also well thought of back in the ol' homestead). No real reason, just Ralphie. We named a stuffed dog after him -- high honor in a household where real pets weren't welcome. When the Mets brought back oodles of heroes and legends for Amazin' Memories Day in 2000, two alums brought me jumping from a mere standing O. One was Willie Mays, the other was Rafael Santana. He also got a rousing ovation (not just mine) at 1992's OTD, possibly the last all-Met-hands on deck affair. If he was the "worst" SS in the NL that year, it certainly didn't hurt our cause. Re: Buckner -- In the old days, Old Timers Day brought back not just Mets but Met opponents. Other OTDs were like that. It would be, how you say, classy to have some Astros, some Red Sox, some NL opponents of the day show up. One would like to think Dave Smith would be treated better in 2006 than in 1986. Statute of limitations and all. The first "special" day I ever requested being brought to was Old Timers Day. The second, third and fifth games I ever went to were Old Times Days. I've given this at least as much thought as Fred Wilpon. That said, I'm with Elster88. Let's get another trophy and call it an anniversary present.

Edgy DC Dec 13 2005 02:42 PM

Nonetheless, a death of OTD is lamentable --- a casualty, along with Banner Day, of the destruction of double headers. An OTD that brought back opponents of that era would be sweet, featuring a comical dressdown of Mike Scott.

G-Fafif Dec 13 2005 03:24 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Nonetheless, a death of OTD is lamentable --- a casualty, along with Banner Day, of the destruction of double headers. An OTD that brought back opponents of that era would be sweet, featuring a comical dressdown of Mike Scott. I was actually kind of looking forward to giving the business to Charlie Kerfeld. Show Gary Carter the ball will you? (So much for statute of limitations, let alone rampaging maturity.)

Edgy DC Dec 13 2005 03:33 PM

How much do you imagine Charlie Kerfeld weighs these days?

sharpie Dec 13 2005 03:40 PM

No picture but he does have a job: Posted on Thu, Dec. 01, 2005 Rangers name Servais, Kerfeld to play development posts Associated Press ARLINGTON, Texas - The Texas Rangers named former major league catcher Scott Servais their director of player development and Charlie Kerfeld a special assistant to the general manager on Thursday. Servais replaced Dom Chiti, who recently became the team's bullpen coach. Since ending his 11-season playing career in 2002, Servais had been a roving minor league catching instructor for the Chicago Cubs. Kerfeld spent the last three seasons as a professional scout with Seattle (2003-04) and San Diego (2005). The former major league reliever will evaluate players on the major and minor league levels for the Rangers, and assist in international scouting efforts. The Rangers also promoted Tim Ireland to manager of the Oklahoma RedHawks, their Triple-A affiliate. Ireland was the club's baserunning and bunting coordinator last year after three seasons as a Double-A manager.

Edgy DC Dec 13 2005 03:43 PM

Dom Chiti? Related to Harry?

mlbaseballtalk Dec 13 2005 04:51 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: Santana was the worst everyday shortstop in the NL that year, though not a particularly strong year for SSs. By OPS+ Brooks, MON 162* O Smith, STL 99 Thon, HOU 83 Dunston, CHC 82 A. Thomas, ATL 71 Uribe, SF 70 Templeton, SD 69 Duncan, LA 68 Jeltz, PHI 60 Stillwell, CIN 56 Belliard, PIT 55 Santana, NYM 52 *-tragically injured; replaced by rookie Luis Rivera, who out-OPS+ed Santana 58-52 NL seems to have a history of bad hitting SS years while the AL has all the darn good ones during "eras" and time period That period was the "Original Holy Trinity" of AL SSs with Detroit's Alan Trammell, Toronto's Tony Fernandez and of course the only HOFer of the bunch Baltimore's Cal Ripken And during Barry Larkin's "reign" as the premeire NL guy it was again an AL "Holy Trinity" of ARod in Seattle/Texas, NOMAAAAAAAAAH! in Boston and that guy in New York Steve

MFS62 Dec 13 2005 05:30 PM

The OTD I went to was a night game. Don't remember against which team, but it was bloody hot - over 90 degrees and it was a night game. We had lower deck boxes behind first base. The women escorting the players to the field were wearing long "turn of the century" (as in 20th) dresses, complete with bustles. They must have been sweltering. After the game, my friend had made reservations for us (our wives were with us) at a place called "DiMaggio's" on Northern Blvd in Flushing. We didn't know what we were looking forward to more, a place with a baseball theme or the air conditioning. When we got there, it had no association with either Joe D or baseball. And the air conditioning was broken. But we were so hungry we ate there anyhow. Later

Zvon Dec 13 2005 10:12 PM Re: Twenty Years

Edgy DC wrote: How will the Mets commemorate the 1986 championship's 20th anniversary? Will they be able to effect a meaningful reunion? Will there be an old-timer's game? Will any ceremony they pull off include Bill Buckner? (Prediction: probably.) Tired issue: Will they make any further attempts to reach out to Darryl and/or Doc? 20 years,...wow. Time does fly, tho in many ways that seems like such a long time ago. In Met years. Theyve got to do something kool. Certain players have to be there. If Omars as good a GM as I boast, he'll get em all.(even if thats not his job,lol) An 86 Mets old timers game would be excellent. Yea, even get opponents who were part of Mets 86 history. And I hope Doc and Darryl are there, cause for that year(and the Mets teams of the mid 80's), they deserve a standing O. I did a '86 Mets commemorative drawing back in the late 80's, and Ill post that at an appropriate time.

Edgy DC Jan 27 2006 02:04 PM

So, since this thread faded, there's (a) been a reunion of sorts at the BAT functions, (b) Darryl has gotten back in the fold, and (c) the schedule has been released with the Red Sox on it. This could happen.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 27 2006 02:29 PM Re: Twenty Years

Zvon wrote: Certain players have to be there. If Omars as good a GM as I boast, he'll get em all.(even if thats not his job,lol) If Omar's in charge of planning the reunion, the only Met invited will be Rafael Santana.

SI Metman Jan 27 2006 05:01 PM

one of the six-packs available include 1986 themed promotion dates, so it looks like a bunch of stuff could be happening. The problem with the Red Sox is that the games are in Fenway, and I doubt they'd want to promote 20 years since Buckner there, even with 2004.

Zvon Jan 27 2006 05:56 PM Re: Twenty Years

="Yancy Street Gang"] ="Zvon"]Certain players have to be there. If Omars as good a GM as I boast, he'll get em all.(even if thats not his job,lol) If Omar's in charge of planning the reunion, the only Met invited will be Rafael Santana. ZIIIIING!!!! lmao Raffy's back:

*62 Jan 27 2006 06:39 PM Re: Twenty Years

Yancy Street Gang wrote: ="Zvon"]Certain players have to be there. If Omars as good a GM as I boast, he'll get em all.(even if thats not his job,lol) If Omar's in charge of planning the reunion, the only Met invited will be Rafael Santana. Goof on Raffy all you like, he was still good enough to win a Championship, unlike A-Fraud.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 27 2006 07:48 PM

Huh?

Rockin' Doc Jan 27 2006 08:26 PM

Edgy - "How will the Mets commemorate the 1986 championship's 20th anniversary?" I hope they relive the 1986 championship by winning the franchise's third World Series in 2006. No greater commemorative celebration could be possible.

soupcan Jan 27 2006 08:40 PM

Bruce Berenyi's gay? When did that happen?

Rockin' Doc Jan 27 2006 09:35 PM

Some would argue that it is simply something he was born with. I remember articles being posted previously about Berenyi playing softball in a league for gays somewhere in Florida.

Rockin' Doc Jan 27 2006 09:56 PM

I found the previous discussion concerning Berenyi's sexual preference in the Rico Brogna Good Fit thread. Bottom of the tenth page and top of the eleventh page.

Spacemans Bong Jan 27 2006 10:05 PM

Dunno if this has been posted, but MLB is releasing Mets 1986 DVD set, a la the 2004 Red Sox, or the 1990s Yankees set. October of 1986--for New York Mets fans, it was an unprecedented, unparalleled rollercoaster of emotions stretching from the gripping National League Championship Series to the unfathomable World Series against the Boston Red Sox. A time when plays, players--Knight, Carter, Dykstra, and Mookie--and announcers’ words were forever etched in time, “...it’s a slow roller to first...” All the twists, turns, failings and redemptions of the 1986 World Series are preserved forever with this remarkable, one-of-a-kind DVD collection. Eight complete game broadcasts--more than 20 hours of the magic of the AMAZIN’ METS championship team are included. From the marathon 16-inning, pennant-clinching victory in Houston to the gutsy World Series games victories in Fenway Park, right through to the miraculous Game 6...and to the team’s last valiant, fantastic comeback in Game 7--all the plays, the dramatic moments, and joy of the Mets remarkable 1986 Fall Classic are here. 1986 World Series Clubhouse Victory Celebration; Official Trophy Presentation; Post-game interviews; 1987 Ring Ceremony and Championship Banner Unveiling; Exclusive Interviews - Mookie Wilson, Gary Carter, Ray Knight, Keith Hernandez, Kevin Mitchell, Lenny Dykstra, Bill Buckner, Bill Robinson; Special Game Footage - Mets Clinching National League Eastern Division, Dykstra’s game-winning, walk-off homer NLCS Game 3, Carter’s game-winner NLCS Game 5

Edgy DC Jan 27 2006 10:11 PM

Surely Super-Collossal Santana will kill us all.

mlbaseballtalk Jan 28 2006 11:13 AM

="Spacemans Bong"]Dunno if this has been posted, but MLB is releasing Mets 1986 DVD set, a la the 2004 Red Sox, or the 1990s Yankees set. October of 1986--for New York Mets fans, it was an unprecedented, unparalleled rollercoaster of emotions stretching from the gripping National League Championship Series to the unfathomable World Series against the Boston Red Sox. A time when plays, players--Knight, Carter, Dykstra, and Mookie--and announcers’ words were forever etched in time, “...it’s a slow roller to first...” All the twists, turns, failings and redemptions of the 1986 World Series are preserved forever with this remarkable, one-of-a-kind DVD collection. Eight complete game broadcasts--more than 20 hours of the magic of the AMAZIN’ METS championship team are included. From the marathon 16-inning, pennant-clinching victory in Houston to the gutsy World Series games victories in Fenway Park, right through to the miraculous Game 6...and to the team’s last valiant, fantastic comeback in Game 7--all the plays, the dramatic moments, and joy of the Mets remarkable 1986 Fall Classic are here. 1986 World Series Clubhouse Victory Celebration; Official Trophy Presentation; Post-game interviews; 1987 Ring Ceremony and Championship Banner Unveiling; Exclusive Interviews - Mookie Wilson, Gary Carter, Ray Knight, Keith Hernandez, Kevin Mitchell, Lenny Dykstra, Bill Buckner, Bill Robinson; Special Game Footage - Mets Clinching National League Eastern Division, Dykstra’s game-winning, walk-off homer NLCS Game 3, Carter’s game-winner NLCS Game 5 To quote WWF's Stone Cold Steve Austin: "OH HELL YEAH!" Thats obviously all 7 WS games and Game 6 of the NLCS, too bad not the full NLCS, that ranks as an top 5 LCS. Hopefully it includes the 86 WS Highlight film, I think NBC also produced one as well

Edgy DC Feb 07 2006 08:04 AM

Edgy DC Site Admin Joined: 05 Nov 2002 Posts: 6714 Location: DC Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 5:30 pm Post subject: 20th Anniversary of 1986 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I can't find the new thread. The Mets announced during our blackout that there will be events scheduled throughout the year, including a reunion of the team schdeduled for August 19th. Lee Mazzilli and the Yankees are scheduled to be in Boston that day and Roger McDowell and the Braves are in Miami. Others --- Santana, Mitchell, Carter, f'rinstance --- will likely have minor league managing to do. Here's to a dozen guys getting a hall pass for a day. _________________ K Zvon 333) Tom Hall RP, SP, 1975-1976 Joined: 18 Aug 2005 Posts: 1686 Location: New Joysey Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:39 pm Post subject: Re: 20th Anniversary of 1986 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ="Edgy DC"]I can't find the new thread. The Mets announced during our blackout that there will be events scheduled throughout the year, including a reunion of the team schdeduled for August 19th. Lee Mazzilli and the Yankees are scheduled to be in Boston that day and Roger McDowell and the Braves are in Miami. Others --- Santana, Mitchell, Carter, f'rinstance --- will likely have minor league managing to do. Here's to a dozen guys getting a hall pass for a day. I hear ya. Carter, McDowell, Mitchell, Santana- they really should be there. _________________ "He's afraid of chickens.....and the Pope's hat-- but mainly because he thinks there's a chicken under it." Earl Hickey Edgy DC Site Admin Joined: 05 Nov 2002 Posts: 6714 Location: DC Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:12 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I meant, duh, that I can't find the old thread. I'm less concerned with guys getting days off than with the prospect of boobirds laying into Strawgoody --- or either or both of them staying away to avoid such a scene --- overshadowing much of the ceremony. _________________ K metirish 88) Randy Myers RP, 1985-1989 Joined: 04 Jun 2005 Posts: 5279 Location: NY Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:10 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Newsday.... ]Mets saluting '86 champs BY DAVID LENNON STAFF WRITER February 7, 2006 The Mets will celebrate the 20th anniversary of their 1986 world championship with a series of events this season, culminating with an on-field reunion before the Aug. 19 game against the Rockies. The Mets have invited all the players from the '86 team back to Shea, along with general manager Frank Cashen and manager Davey Johnson, to be part of the Aug. 19 festivities. The club also will offer a special six-game '86 Pack, which begins May 21 against the Yankees, and tickets for the pack are $92 per seat. Zvon 333) Tom Hall RP, SP, 1975-1976 Joined: 18 Aug 2005 Posts: 1686 Location: New Joysey Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:36 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ="Edgy DC"]I meant, duh, that I can't find the old thread. I'm less concerned with guys getting days off than with the prospect of boobirds laying into Strawgoody --- or either or both of them staying away to avoid such a scene --- overshadowing much of the ceremony. Dont you think fans will be nice, for the most part? I mean, its supposed to be about the 86 team. Ill really be surprized if they dont attend. _________________ "He's afraid of chickens.....and the Pope's hat-- but mainly because he thinks there's a chicken under it." Earl Hickey Yancy Street Gang 16) Mookie Wilson OF, 1980-1989 Joined: 04 Jun 2005 Posts: 7758 Location: The Baxter Building Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:04 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The original thread.. sharpie 186) Vince Coleman LF, CF, 1991-1993 Joined: 05 Jun 2005 Posts: 3317 Location: Brooklyn Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:10 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tickets for the "'86 Pack" should be $86, not $92. Edgy DC Site Admin Joined: 05 Nov 2002 Posts: 6714 Location: DC Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:17 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks Yancy. Any objections to me putting these posts in that thread? Sharpie, marketing genius. _________________ K Yancy Street Gang 16) Mookie Wilson OF, 1980-1989 Joined: 04 Jun 2005 Posts: 7758 Location: The Baxter Building Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:31 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- But the evil Wilpons have to squeeze that extra $6 out of the fans. No objections on my part. Merging the threads makes sense to me.

sharpie Feb 07 2006 08:20 AM

Wouldn't be too many folks taking advantage of the "'92 Pack." It would be an excuse to bring back Daryl Boston, Joe Vitko and Lee Guetterman.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 07 2006 08:34 AM

And Vince Coleman. And Bobby Bonilla. And Bret Saberhagen. That was supposed to be a team worth celebrating. At least it was immortalized in a book.

sharpie Feb 07 2006 08:36 AM

Tickets will cost $86.

Elster88 Aug 03 2006 08:32 AM

[url=http://www.nypost.com/sports/mets/strawberry_to_skip_86_reunion_mets_george_king_in_new_york_and_mark_hale_in_miami.htm]STRAWBERRY TO SKIP '86 REUNION[/url]

Benjamin Grimm Aug 03 2006 08:51 AM

]Strawberry, the Mets' all-time leader in homers (252) and RBIs (733), played for the Mets from 1983-90. He recently remarried and is living in Missouri. He lives in Missouri??? Poor guy. First jail, and now Missouri? ]Strawberry won't be the only high-profile name missing from the celebration. Staff ace Dwight Gooden is serving time in a Florida prison for parole violation. Manager Davey Johnson has a previous commitment, as does 1986 World Series MVP Ray Knight and pitching coach Mel Stottlemyre. Lee Mazzilli and Roger McDowell are coaches with the Yankees and Braves and unable to attend. So iwho's gonna be there? Keith Hernandez and Ron Darling? If Mookie cancels, they might as well call the whole thing off.

Edgy DC Aug 03 2006 08:58 AM

They've had about 17 years to plan this. You'd figure Ray Knight could clear some time between caddying. Ray's a heart attack survivor, and he spends his public interest time touring around and speaking about cardio health issues. You'd figure he'd see a good chance to publicize his efforts.

SteveJRogers Aug 03 2006 09:02 AM

No kidding, lets see Gooden in jail Darling check Ojeda pissed at the organization (is he still currently pissed?) Augilera ??? Fernandez Probably will be there since he's going to be in White Plains for a card show that weekend Orosco ??? McDowell in Atlanta Sisk Do we WANT Sisk there? Niemann Is he still in the organization? Carter in St. Luice Hearn ??? Lyons Probably will be there since he's going to be in White Plains for a card show that weekend, why I don't know because he was riding the Tidewater express for most of the year Gibbons Managing in Toronto Hernandez check Backman Probably will be there since he's going to be in White Plains for a card show that weekend Santana ??? Knight Prior comittment? Why? Elster ??? (not the CPF's Elster) Johnson In the organization so I'm sure he'll be there Teufel ??? Mazzilli Yankees Strawberry As noted will not be there Dysktra ??? Wilson In Brooklyn so probably Mitchell ??? Heep ??? Davey and Mel no and no Buddy ??? Most likely though but anyone know what the Ducks schedule is? Vern Hoschiet ??? Probably not well enough to make the trip in Greg Pavlick ??? Bill Robinson ???

Benjamin Grimm Aug 18 2006 03:09 PM

]Decades apart, Mets clubs connected 08/18/2006 2:00 PM ET By Marty Noble / MLB.com NEW YORK -- In 1986, Arizona was home to Paul Lo Duca and snakes, but not to uppercase Diamondbacks. Lo Duca could have followed any one of 26 big-league teams back then. He chose to follow the Mets and suffer the slings and arrows of friends who considered him a front-runner. The baseball roots of Roberto Hernandez were decidedly blue and orange, too. He knew the Mets and embraced them, recognizing something special in Mookie Wilson six summers earlier. And he had seen Keith Hernandez and Gary Carter come to Flushing, witnessed the grand emergence of Dwight Gooden and Darryl Strawberry. He was there, in the city, when the Mets began their remarkable 1986 season. But his own baseball interfered with watching that summer; the Angels drafted him and sent him to Salem, Ore. Outside Boston, a 20-year-old Tom Glavine was more attuned to the developments of the Boston Fens. "I knew the Mets were good," he said. "But I was New England." No television cable stretched from Queens to Arizona, Oregon or Massachusetts in those days. The respective distances separating Lo Duca and Hernandez from their baseball passions was something akin to what separated the first-place Mets from the rest of the National League East in 1986. "We know what we read, mostly," Lo Duca said. And TV or no TV, Glavine remained Mets-apathetic. The three veteran Mets, like most of their current colleagues, have little sense of all that happened 20 years ago in the ballpark they inhabit. Of course, they all know how Billy Buckner became Bill "E" Buckner. Some know about the 16-inning playoff game in the Dome and Mike "Dread" Scott. One or two even know that Kevin Mitchell, already a chuck of a man in 1986, played shortstop on occasion and that nails was an adjective -- it meant good in '86 Mets jargon -- before it became a proper-noun nickname. "Most of us were too young then to remember anything now," the 30-year-old Chris Woodward said. "Or they just didn't care." Then he feigned more ignorance. "Were they any good?" It is to that team of 20 years past that the current Mets are most often compared in these summer days -- not because the '06 edition has a Doc or a Darryl, a Nails or a Knight, but because the current Mets have spent most of the season bullying the National League as the '86 club did. So many of the achievements of the current team have parallels to accomplishments of the 1986 team -- biggest division lead after so many games, best road trip since, most games over .500 since, et al -- that comparisons are inevitable. Even the three-game glitch in Philadelphia this week could be linked to a four-game misstep in mid-August '86. Most players hate most comparisons, even when the evaluations are flattering. These first-place Mets are no different. But the comparisons and their limited knowledge of the franchise's second set of World Series champions occasionally prompt intrigue and wonder. "I know we had some pretty good teams in Atlanta," Glavine said one day in May, "and we never won 108 games." "Did the really have as much fun as they seemed to?" Aaron Heilman asked recently. "You think their pitching was that much better than ours?" Billy Wagner wondered. Some of their questions may be answered on Saturday when the '86 team reunites and is celebrated on the Shea diamond, where it piled on Jesse Orosco 20 years ago on Oct. 27. They won't wonder about Strawberry too much -- they saw him in March in Port St. Luice, Fla., and enjoyed his presence. But all will undoubtedly be touched by the warm reception Straw is certain to receive. The love-hate of '86 is love-love now. Shea Stadium, running out of future, loves its past. Lenny Dykstra is also a curiosity, even to those who know him well. Does he still chew? Does he still walk that way? How has a man whose uniform was always so dirty made millions keeping other peoples' cars clean? Hernandez and Ron Darling are so visible in their new roles as SNY commentators that the mystique that might have existed about them won't be there. The same holds true for Carter and Howard Johnson, who have been Spring Training fixtures the last few years. Sid Fernandez was there in March, too. But Wilson hasn't been around much. And everyone loves Mookie. They'll all replay his ground ball, wonder if he would have beaten Buckner to the base and whether he could outrun Jose Reyes even now. He looks as trim as ever. There is a mystique about Mitchell, who may not be so trim. He was gone after '86 after one season of production and promise, to become something no Mets player ever has been, an MVP. Mitch was a rookie in '86, but he, like Dykstra, had clubhouse impact, adding to the vernacular and the bully image the Mets loved. "The way Mitch used to talk," a former teammate said, "he wasn't a good bet to be alive for the 20th anniversary. Those not there will be conspicuously absent -- Ray Knight, the World Series MVP, manager Davey Johnson and, of course, Gooden. The Mets of '06 and '86 will lament the troubled turns his life has taken. "I'd like to know he's all right," said Wagner, briefly Gooden's teammate with the Astros in 2000. Lee Mazzilli, twice a Met, is now more a Yankee than a former Met. Roger McDowell is the Braves' pitching coach. He and his good friend, the Upside Down Man, can't make it. His other good friend, Bobby Ojeda -- the Mets' leading winner 20 years ago -- will be there. Draw a parallel between Bobby O, with his Red Sox past and offspeed left-handed stuff, and Glavine. There are no parallels that can be drawn to Sid Fernandez, not as a pitcher. He had a unique on-mound manner and delivery. * * * The '86 Mets were, and remain, everything the current Mets want to become -- a team of ongoing distinction. They have their place in New York's grand and rich baseball history because they won and because they were, as current manager Willie Randolph recalls, "pretty wild -- a bunch of renegades who enjoyed themselves and could play." This Mets manager, like Davey Johnson a former second baseman with a championship resume, watched Johnson's Mets. "I can't be sure of how they behaved. You hear so much," he said. "I'm sure how they played -- with attitude. "People said they were arrogant -- nothing wrong with that," he added. "They earned the right to be anything they wanted. They weren't real popular in the game, you'd hear people say. "I like my teams to have swagger. They cut themselves a nice, little niche. They wanted to roll over you and be remembered for it. That probably helped them get through the long season focused." Randolph and Howard Johnson were chatting on the field in March when the topic turned to the '86 Mets. "We were a pretty good team late," Johnson recalled. "We knew how to beat a bullpen. We had great players, and we had character." Darling stood nearby innocently eavesdropping before he footnoted Johnson's assessment. "That team did its best work late," he said. "We had character and characters."

Frayed Knot Aug 19 2006 12:14 PM

]One or two even know that ... that nails was an adjective -- it meant good in '86 Mets jargon -- before it became a proper-noun nickname. I always learned it this way too but probably because I learned it from reading Marty Noble; that Dykstra's nickname orignially grew out of his odd/creative vocabulary. He was forever using the word 'Nails' as an adjective: a clutch hit was 'Nails', a good pizza was 'Nails', a good-looking chick in the stands was described as 'Nails'. That the 'Nails' name also fit the more commonly assumed "tough as nails" source is probably the main reason it caught on with the general public, but Noble is the only one I read who sticks to his guns on this version of the source.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 12 2006 10:32 AM

I didn't know about this rift, but apparently it's been healed: BEN SHPIGEL in the New York Tiimes wrote: In about three months, Darryl Strawberry has gone from wanting no part of the Mets to throwing out the first pitch for Game 1 of the National League Championship Series. Strawberry had a recent dispute over money with the team that caused him to initially turn down the Mets’ invitation to be part of their August celebration honoring the 1986 World Series-winning team. But he resolved the issue and said he was excited about being part of the organization again. “It means a great deal to me, to really tie the bond here, because it was very special for me to play here and win the rookie of the year and win a championship in ’86,” Strawberry said. “You know, the great years that we all had here, the bond that I have that’s really starting to develop back with this organization, it means to me more than anybody could imagine.”