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Bobby V. to SNY?

bmfc1 Jan 26 2013 03:27 PM

Valentine, who managed the Mets (1996-2002), would be featured on about 20 games, mostly marquee matchups like the Subway Series. He would be seen on SNY’s new pre-pregame show. Valentine would also fill in for Bobby Ojeda, SNY’s No. 1 studio analyst, on his off days. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseb ... z2J7hUG6Z0

Mets – Willets Point Jan 26 2013 04:49 PM Re: Bobby V. to SNY?

I wish he were going to the Mets dugout.

Nymr83 Jan 26 2013 05:12 PM Re: Bobby V. to SNY?

Mets – Willets Point wrote: I wish he were going to the Mets dugout. Seconded.

TransMonk Jan 26 2013 05:15 PM Re: Bobby V. to SNY?

Yup.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 26 2013 05:18 PM Re: Bobby V. to SNY?

bmfc1 wrote: Valentine, who managed the Mets (1996-2002), would be featured on about 20 games, mostly marquee matchups like the Subway Series. He would be seen on SNY’s new pre-pregame show. Valentine would also fill in for Bobby Ojeda, SNY’s No. 1 studio analyst, on his off days. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseb ... z2J7hUG6Z0 Like. Regarding his going to the dugout: Longshot but maybe some exposure close to the club positions him to make that move. He wouldn't be the first broadcaster-to-manager.

Edgy MD Jan 26 2013 05:22 PM Re: Bobby V. to SNY?

Yeah, if you want him managing the team, or part of the braintrust at all, this could only be a good thing. Better even than the Feliciano thing.

bmfc1 Jan 26 2013 05:25 PM Re: Bobby V. to SNY?

He'll be that much closer to the team if a mid-season change needs to be made.

Frayed Knot Jan 26 2013 05:30 PM Re: Bobby V. to SNY?

If nothing else his presence (even if only on TV from the midtown studio) is going to plant the idea in peeps' heads and from there it's not a long step to some media-mind speculating during the first five-game losing streak.

G-Fafif Jan 26 2013 05:33 PM Re: Bobby V. to SNY?

Pedro F! Bobby V! It's like a modicum of 2002!

Edgy MD Jan 26 2013 05:36 PM Re: Bobby V. to SNY?

Managers who came out of their team's broadcast booth: [list:8jw93i2k][*:8jw93i2k]Jerry Coleman[/*:m:8jw93i2k] [*:8jw93i2k]Larry Dierker[/*:m:8jw93i2k] [*:8jw93i2k]Buck Martinez[/*:m:8jw93i2k] [*:8jw93i2k]Bob Brenly[/*:m:8jw93i2k] [*:8jw93i2k]Umm... Billy Martin, I guess[/*:m:8jw93i2k][/list:u:8jw93i2k]

G-Fafif Jan 26 2013 05:42 PM Re: Bobby V. to SNY?

Bobby V would have to dazzle and Terry C would have to fizzle for Mustachioed Lazarus to rise again given how badly things went in Boston, but it would be fun to have him around, even in the studio. He was radiant on ESPN, I thought.

metirish Jan 26 2013 05:46 PM Re: Bobby V. to SNY?

Foget filling in for Ojeda, I want him sitting next to him.

G-Fafif Jan 26 2013 05:49 PM Re: Bobby V. to SNY?

metirish wrote: Foget filling in for Ojeda, I want him sitting next to him. Run those two during the game and show the play-by-play in a little box.

metirish Jan 26 2013 05:51 PM Re: Bobby V. to SNY?

G-Fafif wrote: metirish wrote: Foget filling in for Ojeda, I want him sitting next to him. Run those two during the game and show the play-by-play in a little box. him sitting next to him?, not good grammar right there anyway, and they'd be no need for Carlin Ojeda has gotten really good over his tenure.......

G-Fafif Jan 26 2013 05:55 PM Re: Bobby V. to SNY?

Bobby O got my MVP vote last year...which looked really strange next to all the votes for Buster Posey. Brief encounter with Carlin indicates there's a mensch in there somewhere. Too bad he hides under the bombast.

metirish Jan 26 2013 05:58 PM Re: Bobby V. to SNY?

Yeah, nothing against Carlin, great for him for making it ....wasn't he a studio gofer for WFAN before SNY? Plus, Oleda gave us that great article in the NYT last season.

G-Fafif Jan 26 2013 06:02 PM Re: Bobby V. to SNY?

metirish wrote: Yeah, nothing against Carlin, great for him for making it ....wasn't he a studio gofer for WFAN before SNY? Not directly before, but now I want to tell him to go home and get his shine box.

Ceetar Jan 27 2013 07:46 AM Re: Bobby V. to SNY?

And I can't stand Ojeda myself, so I'm gonna look forward to his days off. I always find myself interested in what Bobby V thinks of something.

SteveJRogers Jan 27 2013 08:55 AM Re: Bobby V. to SNY?

Mets – Willets Point wrote: I wish he were going to the Mets dugout. Really? After the Boston disaster? I'd be shocked if he gets another MLB managing job again.

Mets – Willets Point Jan 27 2013 09:22 AM Re: Bobby V. to SNY?

The perception that Valentine was responsible for a "disaster in Boston" will probably make it unlikely he'll get another managerial job, but I think he was a scapegoat for a bigger institutional crisis with the Red Sox and a convenient target for the ignorant, entitled, reactionary whiners who make up the greater part of the so-called Fenway 'Faithful.'

SteveJRogers Jan 27 2013 09:27 AM Re: Bobby V. to SNY?

Mets – Willets Point wrote: The perception that Valentine was responsible for a "disaster in Boston" will probably make it unlikely he'll get another managerial job, but I think he was a scapegoat for a bigger institutional crisis with the Red Sox and a convenient target for the ignorant, entitled, reactionary whiners who make up the greater part of the so-called Fenway 'Faithful.' Fair enough, but don't discount reasons why he never had a MLB in-uniform job in between the Mets and Red Sox, as well as Rangers and Mets.

Lefty Specialist Jan 27 2013 12:56 PM Re: Bobby V. to SNY?

Bobby's a smart guy. But. At the end of his tenure in 2002, Met fans couldn't wait to be rid of him. There's nobody better at in-game maneuvering (provided he has the tools, and it's something that's less important in the AL), but outside of those nine innings, he's not all that wonderful. He manipulated players and trashed them in the press, something that seemed to carry on in his Red Sox days. His ego is still an issue, as it may be difficult to fit inside the reduced footprint of Citi Field. Putting him as an analyst/looming managerial possibility is a typically Metsian doofus move (if it happens). I know there's a lot of Bobby V love out there, but I'm not on board.

Edgy MD Jan 27 2013 02:21 PM Re: Bobby V. to SNY?

I'lll come out and say that, if there has ever been a consensus among Mets fans any time in the internet era, it certainly wasn't that they were united in their haste to get rid of Valentine.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 27 2013 06:14 PM Re: Bobby V. to SNY?

Yah, twas obvious to those of us paying attention that Bobby V wasn't the issue; it was really Steve Phillips -- more accurately, the little resources they'd provided him (scouts, assistants barely existed then). For BV's career to have advanced under those conditions was unrealistic and he paid the price first.

Vic Sage Jan 27 2013 08:55 PM Re: Bobby V. to SNY?

At the end of his tenure in 2002, Met fans couldn't wait to be rid of him speak for yourself, bub.

Frayed Knot Jan 27 2013 09:07 PM Re: Bobby V. to SNY?

Lefty's point is overstated in that there certainly was never any consensus among NYM fans that Bobby had to go. But at the same time what those of us who are Bobby fans have to remember is that BV had a huge number of detractors even when things were going well back in '99 or '00, and then even more later on. Nor do I think, even though I kind of brought it up, that this move makes him a manager in waiting. I said that it's only natural that someone will bring it up at some point due to Terry being on the last year of a deal and particularly so if the season is heading south somewhere prior to September. Is this "doofus move" of getting Bobby in the TV studio some kind of Wilponian plan to stir up such speculation? I tend to doubt it. They've always claimed that there's a wall between the team and the network. Now maybe that's not entirely true although the appearance of independence is a helluva lot thicker than the paper-thin barrier that exists between YES & their MFY overlords. So even if Fred does have final veto power that he simply didn't use here that's not the same as saying he engineered the whole thing. For the record, I don't think this is step one leading to Bobby II. Maybe if he doesn't blow up any bridges over the next nine months or so and Terry is not retained at the end of the season BV will be one of those considered for the post, I dunno. It was always tough to get a reading on how he and the Wilpon's parted back a decade ago now or whether Sandy really has the autonomy to hire his own guy regardless of potential objections. And, yeah, the Boston experience, while certainly not all BV's fault, isn't going to add to the odds he gets re-hired.

Ashie62 Jan 27 2013 09:21 PM Re: Bobby V. to SNY?

Sandy needs a hall pass for the bathroom.

Edgy MD Jan 27 2013 09:33 PM Re: Bobby V. to SNY?

Reconciliation is almost always an impressive achievement. The 'Pons have had a handful of opportunities to re-engage with him, and I'm glad if they found one where the time was ripe, and the position appropriate. But speaking of engagement, I hope the position would be big enough to keep Valentine engaged. He has a few other interests, and disengagement was certainly one of the criticisms that dogged him in Boston, fairly or no.

metirish Jan 28 2013 06:34 AM Re: Bobby V. to SNY?

I think Boston will find out this coming season that Bobby wasn't the problem.

bmfc1 Jan 28 2013 06:50 AM Re: Bobby V. to SNY?

As much as I'd like to see BV, or just about any other human being, replace TC, I think that this is simply SNY trying to improve ratings. It's the BV show! It's the Gary, Keith and/or Ron show! Ignore what's in front of you--stay tuned as Guys! will be interviewing some celebrity very soon!

Vic Sage Jan 28 2013 10:25 AM Re: Bobby V. to SNY?

Lefty's point is overstated in that there certainly was never any consensus among NYM fans that Bobby had to go. But at the same time what those of us who are Bobby fans have to remember is that BV had a huge number of detractors even when things were going well back in '99 or '00, and then even more later on. Agreed, but it was my sense of it was that BV's detractors were largely among the media itself (which he always treated contemptuously as the idiotic rabble they invariably were [and are]), as well as the pampered players (whose manipulations the fans were largely either indifferent to or in favor of) and the Mets and MLB brass (whom fans generally despise). I think fans were largely in support of BV right up to his firing and, were it put to a vote, they would have kept him over Phillips, the owners, the players, or the media covering the team.

Frayed Knot Jan 28 2013 11:23 AM Re: Bobby V. to SNY?

Vic Sage wrote: I think fans were largely in support of BV right up to his firing You clearly have forgotten the vitriol aimed at Bobby from fans via the conduits of the MoFo and WFAN. EVERY loss was his fault and most of the wins were judged to be in spite of him rather than because of. Of course it's always tough to determine percentages of popular support, at least without the benefits of sophisticated polling and such, so whether that was merely a loud minority is impossible to know. But suffice to say there's hardly a consensus on these things.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 28 2013 12:21 PM Re: Bobby V. to SNY?

As I recall it, the Bobby Job Watch began with Tarasco-gate but it was painfully obvious to all but the dumbest fans that the guy who should have been whacked that day wasn't Bobby but Steve. With the benefit of hindsight, I think the organization whether or not they fired him was also screwing Phillips at that time by cutting every corner in scouting, draft and support. Omar was the assistant GM, went to the Expos, and they never bothered replacing him!

Frayed Knot Jan 28 2013 01:17 PM Re: Bobby V. to SNY?

And I certainly didn't mean to set this up as a Bobby vs Steve contest because, in that case, all but Bobby's most fervent detractors would back him on that one. But, still, Bobby was evil personified in the minds of a number of NYM fans so, if we're going to get ahead of ourselves here and start talking about a potential second term, it doesn't hurt to remember that such a move would hardly be universally lauded.

Edgy MD Jan 28 2013 01:43 PM Re: Bobby V. to SNY?

Nothing is universally lauded. The only statement above implying unanimity of opinion among Met fans was Lefty Specialist wrote: At the end of his tenure in 2002, Met fans couldn't wait to be rid of him. I disagree. Folks have said that's untrue, but nobody's suggesting the opposite was untrue. Most of 2001 was marred by a tiresome online fan mutiny.

Lefty Specialist Jan 28 2013 02:34 PM Re: Bobby V. to SNY?

Guess I need to go to the supermarket and pick up a case of quantifiers.

Edgy MD Jan 29 2013 11:16 AM Re: Bobby V. to SNY?

Mike Puma ?@NYPost_Mets wrote: Bobby Valentine is a candidate to become the new athletic director at Sacred Heart University, according to Bill Paxton of the CT Post. Homey certainly does not fear being over-extended.