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Vic Sage Feb 01 2013 10:59 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 01 2013 11:01 AM

What does the bullpen look like as we approach ST? CL: Frank Francisco CL2/setup: Bobby Parnell setup: Greg Burke / Jenry Mejia situational RH: Elvin Ramirez/ Jeurys Famiglia / Burke / Mejia situational LH: Josh Edgin LH2: Robert Carson spot starter/long reliever: Colin McHugh/ Jeremy Hefner / Famiglia / Mejia non-roster invites: Scott Atchison Carlos Torres Scott Rice Tim Byrdak/L (dl) LaTroy Hawkins/L Pedro Feliciano/L Aaron Laffey/L FAs: J.Rauch R.Ramirez Some other FAs still available: Brian Wilson J.Valverde F.Rod B.Jenks B.Lyon

Benjamin Grimm Feb 01 2013 11:00 AM Re: BULLPEN 2013

Adam Rubin wrote: Sandy Alderson, who expressed serious concern with Frank Francisco as his closer, is trying to remedy the situation. Alderson is pursuing Jose Valverde to compete -- or more likely unseat -- Francisco as closer, a baseball source told ESPNNewYork.com. The deal with Scott Boras over Valverde would have to be on the Mets' terms, though. That means it would probably be akin to the contract to which Shaun Marcum agreed -- $4 million base, with a similar amount in incentives based on games finished or saves, in Valverde's case.

metirish Feb 01 2013 11:08 AM Re: BULLPEN 2013

Jose Valverde didn't paint himself in glory this past post-season, yet might still command $4 million?, crazy.

Vic Sage Feb 01 2013 11:11 AM Re: BULLPEN 2013

$4m? Spending significant money on closers is dumb (particularly for a team that is not particularly close to the playoffs). Rinse. Repeat. If you don't like Francisco, give Parnell and Edgin and Mejia closing opportunities. Spend it on the OF, Sandy!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 01 2013 11:53 AM Re: BULLPEN 2013

Sizemore. Or the Cuban. Hell, I'll take Damon for $1M-plus-incentives. HELL, I'll even take a Lowe/Dice-K/Wolf pu-pu platter.

vtmet Feb 01 2013 12:25 PM Re: BULLPEN 2013

at this point of the venture, I don't see the logic in spending money...there really isn't anything left out there that is really a match for the Mets in the OF; and fixing the bullpen with retread veterans isn't going to transform the Mets into strong WS contenders...even Bourne isn't a good match for the Mets...save the money and spend it near the trade deadline if we have a strong 1st few months of the season...

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 01 2013 12:27 PM Re: BULLPEN 2013

I might be naive but between Gonzalez German Germen, and Elvin Ramirez, and Familia, etc etc we have enough good-ish arms to build a pen already. Kinda funny in the meantime, Rauch and Ramirez still unemployed. Rauch sucked for a short while but altogether had a pretty good year as I recall. Ramirez not much but oddly I'd sooner re-employ him since relievers are so hard to figure.

metsmarathon Feb 01 2013 12:30 PM Re: BULLPEN 2013

giving $4M to valverde would be an awful stupid thing to do. especially since it sure seems we have some decent cheap young bullpen arms whose ultimate utility would be far better off explored. we know valverde isn't much of anything special. lets find out if some of our own guys are.

Frayed Knot Feb 01 2013 01:50 PM Re: BULLPEN 2013

Yeah, given the choice of Rauch or Ramy-Ramy or Valverde at similar money, I'd probably take them in that order.

bmfc1 Feb 01 2013 02:57 PM Re: BULLPEN 2013

I think that Sandy's logic is that if he can get a reliever for below market value now, and that reliever has a successful first half, he can trade the reliever for a prospect to a team that is in contention. The flaws with this: 1) you might get stuck with someone that has a lousy first half or 2) not get the value you think you deserve in return so you've spent $4M on something that you didn't need.

Edgy MD Feb 01 2013 03:04 PM Re: BULLPEN 2013

There is a wisdom in signing a reliever after a down year. We sure as hell bought into Rodriguez at the wrong time. Problem with Valverde is that he lost a lot of strikeouts last year, suggesting it could be more than a down year.

Ashie62 Feb 01 2013 03:50 PM Re: BULLPEN 2013

This is a likely a punt year..why spend it at all?

Ceetar Feb 01 2013 03:51 PM Re: BULLPEN 2013

bmfc1 wrote: I think that Sandy's logic is that if he can get a reliever for below market value now, and that reliever has a successful first half, he can trade the reliever for a prospect to a team that is in contention. The flaws with this: 1) you might get stuck with someone that has a lousy first half or 2) not get the value you think you deserve in return so you've spent $4M on something that you didn't need. Just like he swapped Francisco and Rauch last year. It's unlikely, barring someone pulling a Fernando Rodney, that anyone's giving up much worthwhile for a reliever in July, no matter how much people scream and yell about it. This also applies to platoon outfielders. Any acquisitions are made for depth and "throw it at a wall and see what sticks" purposes. Ashie62 wrote: This is a likely a punt year..why spend it at all? Because until you spend it's always going to be a punt year. You do what you can.

bmfc1 Feb 01 2013 08:10 PM Re: BULLPEN 2013

Ceetar wrote: I think that Sandy's logic is that if he can get a reliever for below market value now, and that reliever has a successful first half, he can trade the reliever for a prospect to a team that is in contention. The flaws with this: 1) you might get stuck with someone that has a lousy first half or 2) not get the value you think you deserve in return so you've spent $4M on something that you didn't need. Just like he swapped Francisco and Rauch last year. That's the 1st flaw. Each had a bad first half. Ceetar wrote: Because until you spend it's always going to be a punt year. You do what you can. That's true. I wish that Sandy agreed.

metirish Feb 03 2013 02:25 PM Re: BULLPEN 2013

@AnthonyDiComo: Brandon Lyon close to a deal with #Mets, reports @JonHeymanCBS . That would probably complete their bullpen.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 04 2013 08:15 AM Re: BULLPEN 2013

As an opponent, when he's come in with a lead, Lyon has always-- always-- struck me as a guy-we-can-do-this-against. And signed after a performance spike (career-high 9.3 K/9, career-second-best 3.15 K/BB) as well? We'll see about the cost, but... man.

Vic Sage Feb 04 2013 08:29 AM Re: BULLPEN 2013

he'll be cheaper than Valverde, and it think he's comparable. But in either case, it's stupid.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 04 2013 09:28 AM Re: BULLPEN 2013

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 04 2013 09:37 AM Re: BULLPEN 2013

Well, yeah, except we're paying for dumpster access here.

Edgy MD Feb 04 2013 09:41 AM Re: BULLPEN 2013

I don't get it. Is Brandon Lyon really trash? I'm lost. The Mets are ripped for not spending money, but ripped also when they spend a little. Brandon Lyon makes them a target for getting a crappy player, but also because they intend to spend a few dimes when they shouldn't be spending any. And he's not crappy.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 04 2013 09:50 AM Re: BULLPEN 2013

I don't get it either. I mean, if they give him $8 million for 2013, it's foolish, but if they get him cheap enough, then why not? There will be plenty of bullpen innings to go around this year, and guys like Edgin and Carson and Mejia will still get to show what they can (or can't) do. And Lyon is young enough that, if the Mets do return to contention in the next few years, he can be a part of that.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 04 2013 09:55 AM Re: BULLPEN 2013

Lyon's not that bad. But the Mets'll be lucky to win 75 games next season, with or without Lyon. Might as well spend the money on a scoreboard that isn't an embarrassing eyesore.

metirish Feb 04 2013 10:25 AM Re: BULLPEN 2013

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Lyon's not that bad. But the Mets'll be lucky to win 75 games next season, with or without Lyon. Might as well spend the money on a scoreboard that isn't an embarrassing eyesore. I bet that's different money.

Vic Sage Feb 04 2013 10:36 AM Re: BULLPEN 2013

Edgy MD wrote: I don't get it. Is Brandon Lyon really trash? I'm lost. The Mets are ripped for not spending money, but ripped also when they spend a little. Brandon Lyon makes them a target for getting a crappy player, but also because they intend to spend a few dimes when they shouldn't be spending any. And he's not crappy. I agree that Lyon isn't crappy. sometimes. sometimes he is. But i don't think its too hard to understand the view that whatever remaining money the Mets have (if any) should not be spent on spare parts for the pen because (a) its one area where we have a bunch of strong young arms to fill those slots, and (b) relief pitchers are an extremely unpredictable commodity, given the small sample sizes that there seasons consist of and the greater rate of injury pitchers have over hitters. If the're going to spend more money (and i hope they do), they would be better off getting an OFer, since (a) they need them more and have fewer in-house options, and (b) they are more likely to get a more predictable bang for their buck. In other words, if they had $4m burning a hole in their pocket, I'd just as soon they had spent it on Hairston's 400ab/20hr RHed bat/decent glove than on Valverde or Lyon's questionable arms as setup-men/backup closers.

Edgy MD Feb 04 2013 10:57 AM Re: BULLPEN 2013

Everybody is crappy sometimes. The argument hasn't seemed to be betwen spending on an outfielder or spending on a reliever, but why bother spending? -- whoever you sepnd it on is garbage anyway, and you're going to be a bad team no matter what. That's not your argument, but you started this thread, and the concsensus seemed to be going there. I'm glad you're confident in the arms at hand, but the team was 15th of 16 teams in the NL in bullpen ERA last year.

Vic Sage Feb 04 2013 10:59 AM Re: BULLPEN 2013

predictions for starting bullpen: CL1:Frank Francisco CL2/setup:Bobby Parnell setup/CL3: B. Lyon situational RH:Mejia situational LH1:Josh Edgin LH2:Robert Carson spot starter/long reliever:Colin McHugh with RHers: S.Atchison /J.Famiglia /Elvin Ramirez/ Greg Burke / LaTroy Hawkins and LHers: Andrew Laffey / P.Feliciano I think Mejia will outpitch Burke, Ramirez and Famiglia, as well as non-roster guys Hawkins and Atchison, in ST. And Carson will keep his LH2 roster spot over non-rostered Laffey an Feliciano. I think Gee will eventually take McHugh's slot, when Wheeler is brought up mid-season. Atchison is a bit of a dark horse. He's got stuff, but is injury-prone and will cost a roster spot. But i wouldn't be surprised if they kept him and left Mejia in the minors for a while more.

Vic Sage Feb 04 2013 11:03 AM Re: BULLPEN 2013

Edgy MD wrote: Everybody is crappy sometimes. The argument hasn't seemed to be betwen spending on an outfielder or spending on a reliever, but why bother spending? -- whoever you sepnd it on is garbage anyway, and you're going to be a bad team no matter what. That's not your argument, but you started this thread, and the concsensus seemed to be going there. If i thought that any dollar the Mets didn't spend this year they would spend next year, or in upcoming seasons, then i might be persuaded to agree with the rabble on this topic. But i don't. If they don't spend it, it'll just go to the Pons pockets, or their lenders, and i have no interest in them easing their financial burden. I'd like to seem them crushed beneath the burden and forced to sell. but that's a topic for another day. I just think whatever they don't spend on this year's team is a lost opportunity. Knowing the restraints we're under, I'm just rooting for the maximum value for whatever dollars they do choose to spend. And putting it on bullpen arms is just about the single stupidest way of investing scarce dollars as i can think of.

metirish Feb 04 2013 11:05 AM Re: BULLPEN 2013

Mejia reduced to a situational RH?, what's up with him these days?

batmagadanleadoff Feb 04 2013 11:12 AM Re: BULLPEN 2013

Oh brother. Another Fuck the Wilpons thread this has turned into. And they don't deserve any of the criticism. Jeez, can't anybody here write a dozen posts about how the Mets are gonna sign a Justin Upton caliber baller?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 04 2013 11:16 AM Re: BULLPEN 2013

Edgy MD Feb 04 2013 11:20 AM Re: BULLPEN 2013

All dollars spent on relief are bad? Even if you get somebody at a bargain? I mean, somebody's got to pitch there. And a failing bullpen is demoralizing for everybody. Fangraphs has Bill James projecting him at 62 innings and a 3.63 ERA, and they also suggest he was worth $3.4 million last year. Let's see what he gets paid. I don't know what I think of him. Let's see the money. My general feeling though is that young guys shouldn't be handed jobs, but should have older guys in place for them to fight against for work. If those old guys are on one-year contracts, all the better.

Ceetar Feb 04 2013 11:23 AM Re: BULLPEN 2013

Vic Sage wrote: If i thought that any dollar the Mets didn't spend this year they would spend next year, or in upcoming seasons, then i might be persuaded to agree with the rabble on this topic. That's bad business. And it has nothing to do with the team/owner's current or future financial value (although it was probably precipitated by past finance issues) The team is budgeting each year individually, not spending this years money on next year, or next year's money on this year. That is Alderson's thing, and when he says it's his financial decision, that's what he means. He's not going to outspend revenue. Having an artificially high payroll next year by tacking on income from this year only means that the year after you're even more constricted. Ultimately you'd like spending money to lead to winning to lead to more revenue, but that's a gamble pretty much no team takes. They invest the money after they've raised revenue, not before. Vic Sage wrote: Knowing the restraints we're under, I'm just rooting for the maximum value for whatever dollars they do choose to spend. And putting it on bullpen arms is just about the single stupidest way of investing scarce dollars as i can think of. Gee, rooting for Value/$ sounds like a whole lot of fun. I'll stick to rooting for max value and letting Alderson worry about the specifics of payroll. Besides, money spent on the bullpen is not necessarily a waste. the Mets look tohave a pretty decent shot at a good bullpen this year, and if that's true, that's well spent. And if they spent a couple of bucks on the Hairston level guy (i.e. limited value platoon guys) the chances that the OF outperforms what you can do with guys like Brown, Cowgill and the incumbents are not enough to justify the expenditure.

Edgy MD Feb 04 2013 11:32 AM Re: BULLPEN 2013

More guys --- particularly reasonably capable ones --- are better, whether in the outfield or bullpen. I'd certainly not complain if they were to acquire a decent outfielder today. I imagine the challenge is similar to find an outfielder that outperforms Cowgill and to find a reliever that outperforms McHugh or Greg Burke or Elvin or somebody.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 04 2013 11:37 AM Re: BULLPEN 2013

Ceetar wrote: The team is budgeting each year individually, not spending this years money on next year, or next year's money on this year. That is Alderson's thing, and when he says it's his financial decision, that's what he means. He's not going to outspend revenue. Sandy always tells the truth. Everything he's ever said about Mets spending and Mets payroll has always come true. Sandy hasn't devolved into a fucking mouthpiece for the Wilpons. That scoreboard out in center field is a beaut.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 04 2013 11:38 AM Re: BULLPEN 2013

Edgy MD wrote: I imagine the challenge is similar to find an outfielder that outperforms Cowgill That's a challenge? Maybe if you're managing your son's little league team for seven year olds.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 04 2013 12:02 PM Re: BULLPEN 2013

We may be setting the bar a bit low here, but I suspect that Cowgill will prove to be better than a seven-year-old boy. Me, I'm going to reserve judgment. Cowgill may very well turn out to be a nothing, but he also may be a pleasant surprise. Let's see what happens.

Edgy MD Feb 04 2013 12:06 PM Re: BULLPEN 2013

It's a challenge... comparable to the challenge in the second half of the sentence which you didn't excerpt, Johnny Sarcasmo. Rubin just posted a note that the team will be working Familia as a reliever and Mejia as a starter to start spring training.

Ceetar Feb 04 2013 01:30 PM Re: BULLPEN 2013

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Ceetar wrote: The team is budgeting each year individually, not spending this years money on next year, or next year's money on this year. That is Alderson's thing, and when he says it's his financial decision, that's what he means. He's not going to outspend revenue. Sandy always tells the truth. Everything he's ever said about Mets spending and Mets payroll has always come true. Sandy hasn't devolved into a fucking mouthpiece for the Wilpons. That scoreboard out in center field is a beaut. Clearly you believe he's a mouthpiece and everything is colored by that. But this particular bit is consistent with his statements about budgeting and payroll all along. Now, this "don't spend more than you make" philosophy may indeed just be his solution to the restrictions placed on him by the Wilpons finances. But just because he chooses to spend 100 million doesn't mean the Wilpons wouldn't have approved 110 (which means it WAS his decision to spend 100) but that also doesn't mean he could've spent 120. And I'm perfectly happy with the scoreboard, which is entirely subjective but it's seemingly one of your only two points. I want my scoreboard to give me as much info as possible and be right in line of sight. it does that .I haven't once longed for a different scoreboard of even for Shea's back since it's been built. works for me.

metirish Feb 07 2013 09:49 AM Re: BULLPEN 2013

@AdamRubinESPN Brandon Lyon is in the midst of his physical with the #Mets. It'll be a one year deal.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 07 2013 09:52 AM Re: BULLPEN 2013

@AdamRubinESPN Turning and coughing

metirish Feb 07 2013 09:57 AM Re: BULLPEN 2013

@Lyonbrandon It's a dream to play for the #Mets, fans are the best ever, sophisticated New Yorkers

Benjamin Grimm Feb 07 2013 10:12 AM Re: BULLPEN 2013

Any word on the dollar amount?

A Boy Named Seo Feb 08 2013 12:03 PM Re: BULLPEN 2013

Any word on the dollar amount? Per MLBTradeRumors.com: "The Mets announced they have officially signed free agent right-hander Brandon Lyon to a one-year deal. Meister Sports Management represents Lyon, who will earn a base salary of between $750-$900K, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. The total value of the deal will be worth $2.4MM if Lyon hits his incentive bonuses". Seems a good price to me. And if he hits some good 'closery' numbers and earns every penny, he'd probably be well worth it.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 08 2013 12:55 PM Re: BULLPEN 2013

I withdraw my bitchy remarks.

metirish Feb 12 2013 12:20 PM Re: BULLPEN 2013

Mike Puma ?@NYPost_Mets Collins just told The Post he plans to tell Bobby Parnell tomorrow to start working out at closer because of Francisco's elbow swelling Mike Puma ?@NYPost_Mets Says Collins on using Parnell: "We keep talking about 2014, [bleep] why not get a head start?"

Benjamin Grimm Feb 12 2013 12:48 PM Re: BULLPEN 2013

metirish wrote: Says Collins on using Parnell: "We keep talking about 2014, [bleep] why not get a head start?" Because it was YOU, Terry, who anointed Francisco as the closer, jackass!

batmagadanleadoff Feb 12 2013 12:59 PM Re: BULLPEN 2013

metirish wrote: Mike Puma ?@NYPost_Mets Collins just told The Post he plans to tell Bobby Parnell tomorrow to start working out at closer because of Francisco's elbow swelling How does a reliever work out at closer, as opposed to working out as a regular ol' non-closing reliever? What the hell's the difference and if that Collins quote doesn't illustrate the absurdity of designating a reliever as a closer, then I give up. I suppose this means that now, Parnell's gonna really really really try to get the opposing batters out.

Fman99 Feb 12 2013 01:16 PM Re: BULLPEN 2013

Benjamin Grimm wrote: We may be setting the bar a bit low here, but I suspect that Cowgill will prove to be better than a seven-year-old boy. "Like that's possible."

TheOldMole Feb 12 2013 01:34 PM Re: BULLPEN 2013

Batmags said it for me.

metsmarathon Feb 12 2013 01:47 PM Re: BULLPEN 2013

batmagadanleadoff wrote: metirish wrote: Mike Puma ?@NYPost_Mets Collins just told The Post he plans to tell Bobby Parnell tomorrow to start working out at closer because of Francisco's elbow swelling How does a reliever work out at closer, as opposed to working out as a regular ol' non-closing reliever? What the hell's the difference and if that Collins quote doesn't illustrate the absurdity of designating a reliever as a closer, then I give up. I suppose this means that now, Parnell's gonna really really really try to get the opposing batters out. he's gotta learn to sprint to the mound in tune to some hard rock music, and pull off looking menacing without looking preposterously menacing. that's the shit that makes you a closer.

metirish Feb 12 2013 01:49 PM Re: BULLPEN 2013

I really hope it's not as hard as going from closer to 8th inning guy........Putz couldn't handle it....maybe as MM notes, the hard rock music will get Bobby going....

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 12 2013 04:07 PM Re: BULLPEN 2013

What's an appropriately menacing country song? "Ring of Fire?" "The Ride?"

G-Fafif Feb 12 2013 04:12 PM Re: BULLPEN 2013

As long as Parnell spots his strikes in low places, he can trot out to any genre he likes.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 12 2013 04:19 PM Re: BULLPEN 2013

Oooh, I know. [youtube:376d8a05]EtbuUlSGXzc[/youtube:376d8a05] Although this is probably more Bobby's speed: [youtube:376d8a05]I4s0nzsU1Wg[/youtube:376d8a05]

Swan Swan H Feb 12 2013 04:23 PM Re: BULLPEN 2013

If I were a closer, this would be on my list. [youtube:34z2dlxo]xvaEJzoaYZk[/youtube:34z2dlxo]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 12 2013 04:51 PM Re: BULLPEN 2013

Ooh, that's good. I like this, but I don't think it's getting its foot in the door: [youtube:3tgikdpx]Aq344ks1ieg[/youtube:3tgikdpx]

Frayed Knot Feb 12 2013 06:05 PM Re: BULLPEN 2013

Be interesting to see to what degree Davey switches around his closers down in Washington this year as he's essentially got three who have done the work. - Newly signed Rafael Soriano is getting the big bucks and closed very well w/the Yanx last year - High draft pick Drew Storen closed almost exclusively in 2011 and again in 2012 after he came back from injury, but then blew the clincher in the playoffs - Tyler Clippard closed quite well in the first half of 2012 while Storen was on the shelf and even for a time after he came back, but then seemed to wear down in August/September So if anywhere is baseball 2013 is going to be a laboratory for NOT having a designated closer it's the Nats under a retiring Davey as he's already said this is his last season managing. It's not like he needs to suck up to the owner or GM (like he would regardless); what are they going to do if they don't like his choices, fire him?

Vic Sage Feb 13 2013 08:38 AM Re: BULLPEN 2013

as we start ST: CL: Bobby Parnell CL2/setup: Brandon Lyon setup: J.Familia situational RH: Elvin Ramirez/ G.Burke / Hawkins* / Atchison* situational LH: Josh Edgin LH2: Robert Carson / Feliciano* / Byrdak*/ Rice* spot starter/long reliever: Colin McHugh / J.Hefner / A.Laffey* DL: Frank Francisco * non-roster invitee

Gwreck Feb 13 2013 01:22 PM Re: BULLPEN 2013

Byrdak is on the DL as well, out until at least June.

Vic Sage Mar 19 2013 10:10 AM Re: BULLPEN 2013

With about 2 weeks to go, it looks like: CL: Bobby Parnell CL2/setup: Brandon Lyon setup: Atchison* or Hawkins* (until Francisco comes off DL) situational RH: G.Burke situational LH: Josh Edgin LH2: Robert Carson or Feliciano* spot starter/long reliever: Famiglia (until Santana comes off DL,and Hefner returns to pen) DL: Frank Francisco * non-roster invitee

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 19 2013 11:31 AM Re: BULLPEN 2013

I like Atchison and Hawkins. I also like Feliciano as more than a nostalgia hire. There's no way that more than one of them makes the roster, though... if only because of roster-crunch. How much do you guys think that 40-man considerations come into play (versus, say, in-game ST performance and scouting/coaching input)?

Vic Sage Mar 19 2013 02:40 PM Re: BULLPEN 2013

in the past, under Omar, i don't think it came in to play nearly enough. i recall various instances where we lost guys through waivers to add a guy to the 40-man roster, and then that added guy either got cut or sent down later. the small sample sizes of ST are no basis for decision making; they should only be used to see who's healthy enough to play, and to assess skills independent of AB outcomes. So losing personnel cuz some broken down ballplayer has a good spring is usually stupid. Resources need to be efficiently deployed. I have more faith that Sandy will do that correctly.

Edgy MD Mar 19 2013 03:13 PM Re: BULLPEN 2013

Which waiver claims are we talking about?

Ceetar Mar 19 2013 03:22 PM Re: BULLPEN 2013

Edgy MD wrote: Which waiver claims are we talking about? Ruben Gotay? The Mets are going to need to make some moves with the 40 man regardless. Zach Lutz for one.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 20 2013 08:27 AM Re: BULLPEN 2013

Terry is talking up Atchinson and Hawkins for roles. Sandy says Familia likely to begin at AAA. I guess it's not too surprising they will at least begin with the old guys. They also like Laffey but see him as a starter candidate, The Puma reports.

MFS62 Mar 20 2013 08:43 AM Re: BULLPEN 2013

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: They also like Laffey but see him as a starter candidate, The Puma reports. The Cougar reading the Puma? There's got to be a joke in there somewhere. If someone finds one, please post it. I'll be outside shoveling my driveway and thinking of the first day of Spring. Later