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It's Fucking Cold

Centerfield Jan 23 2013 08:21 AM

It's days like today that one realizes how thin dress pants really are. At what age is it no longer appropriate to wear snow pants around?

Ceetar Jan 23 2013 08:28 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

I wear crappy dress pants that aren't qutie as dressy (or khakis) so don't quite have that problem. My problem is more that my car has 189k miles on it and takes forever to warm up. The coldest I am is the 2-3 minutes I sit in the shivering car waiting for it to get warm enough to move and then it takes the entire commute for my hands to get warm from the cold steering wheel. Don't ask why I don't put on the gloves to drive.

Mets – Willets Point Jan 23 2013 08:34 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

--- "It was so cold today that I saw a dog stuck to a telephone pole." --- "It was so cold that I saw a politician with his hand in his own pocket." --- "It was so cold that the flashers in New York City were only describing themselves to people."

MFS62 Jan 23 2013 08:51 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

Actually, CF, it feels worse than that. My Canadian friend rates weather up there as follows: Cold, eh? Really cold, eh? Fucking cold, eh? Really fucking cold, eh? To me, its the last one. Later

cooby Jan 23 2013 08:59 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

Not only is it cold, I didn't realize it was coming, so I blissfully went out yesterday to shovel the driveway with my normal coat and gloves on instead of the Nanook of the North models. Last night I kept hearing weird noises out on the deck, loud bangs and such. Probably the new wood exploding in the cold. I am afraid to look.

themetfairy Jan 23 2013 09:08 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

Wood explodes?

metirish Jan 23 2013 09:39 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

Yes it is cold, dangerously so.......we are seeing a high increase in asthma exacerbation's with this extreme cold. meanwhile The coldest place on earth

Mets – Willets Point Jan 23 2013 09:48 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

metirish wrote: meanwhile The coldest place on earth Whoa, check out this scantilly-clad Oymyakonian. She's showing off both of her beautiful eyes.

Kong76 Jan 23 2013 10:02 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

When it's 5º when I get up all I can think to myself is, "Lick my global sac, Al Gore!"

Frayed Knot Jan 23 2013 10:09 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

Where's that fuckin' global warming when you need it? This statement from that link doesn't make a lot of sense -- Oymyakon is 750 metres above sea level, which means that the length of a day varies from 3 hours in December to 21 hours in the summer -- as it implies that the elevation (slightly less than half a mile) is the reason for the variation rather than the latitude.

Ceetar Jan 23 2013 10:17 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

Mets – Willets Point wrote: metirish wrote: meanwhile The coldest place on earth Whoa, check out this scantilly-clad Oymyakonian. She's showing off both of her beautiful eyes. That's because she's actually a student in Yakutsk, a two-day drive away. practically the beach.

Kong76 Jan 23 2013 10:43 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

Pretty, for someone part huskey.

metirish Jan 23 2013 11:02 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

Frayed Knot wrote: Where's that fuckin' global warming when you need it? This statement from that link doesn't make a lot of sense -- Oymyakon is 750 metres above sea level, which means that the length of a day varies from 3 hours in December to 21 hours in the summer -- as it implies that the elevation (slightly less than half a mile) is the reason for the variation rather than the latitude. Yeah, that's not correct right?, looks like they took it straight from Wiki Geography Oymyakon, population 472, is located in eastern Yakutia at an elevation of approximately 750 meters above sea level. At the village's high latitude, day length varies from 3 hours in December to 21 hours in the summer.

Mets – Willets Point Jan 23 2013 11:12 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

It's the Daily-freakin'-Mail. Don't expect anything more than some cool pictures. No pun intended.

Mets – Willets Point Jan 23 2013 11:41 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

Ceetar wrote: Mets – Willets Point wrote: metirish wrote: meanwhile The coldest place on earth Whoa, check out this scantilly-clad Oymyakonian. She's showing off both of her beautiful eyes. That's because she's actually a student in Yakutsk, a two-day drive away. practically the beach. I guess they would have to go to Yakutsk to get their cheesecake.

Centerfield Jan 23 2013 11:42 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

Oymyakon looks pretty deserted. No wonder the rebels chose to locate their base there in ESB.

Frayed Knot Jan 25 2013 10:43 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

Yeah it's cold, but there are a few things bugging me about all this. 1) It's JANUARY!!!! it's supposed to be cold 2) I hate these local TV weather geeks who just can't resist the opportunity to exaggerate things to the point where maps list, not temperatures, but the 'wind chill factors', almost exclusively in some cases as if the air temp is a concept that no longer exists. If it's really windy then fine, but let's stop this silly race to see how much you can play up the misery. They do the same thing during warm spells in summer when suddenly air temp is replaced by "temperature humidity index" or other similar concocted nonsense. 3) NBC long ago morphed the climate change concept into a marketing image when they declared themselves to be the "Green Network", often putting a specially designed logo on the screen during certain weeks of the year when the pr push is in full bloom. It also helps that they are under the same corporate umbrella as the Weather Channel so putting that staff to use is an easy synergy call. But, jeez, their national news, all 23 minutes of it where complex stories are reduced to sound bites, manages to get a weather story in seemingly several times a week these days. Last week they spent several of those precious minutes to tell us it was snowing ... in Minnesota ... in January - and that that snow may hit Chicago as well. This is part of a question I brought up in the 'Sandy' thread; is every variation from the norm now going to be framed as part of a larger environmental story as if variations never occurred until now? Save weather stories for real catastrophes Brian, not for every time the thermometer strays 10 degrees above or below the norm.

Ceetar Jan 25 2013 10:51 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

Passaic River:

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 25 2013 10:52 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

Leaving aside that the overall rise in global temperatures IS reflected in every aspect of the weather (if more legible in macro than on any given day/in any given event)... have they been discussing climate change every time they show that it's snowing in Chicago? I mean, with all due respect, FK... it's the national news, and, along with some analysis, it (ostensibly) reports what's happening; if there's six inches of snow in the Midwest, well, that's what's happening in the Midwest.

Edgy MD Jan 25 2013 11:17 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

Frayed Knot wrote: They do the same thing during warm spells in summer when suddenly air temp is replaced by "temperature humidity index" or other similar concocted nonsense. Well, the way we measure temperature has always been a man-made concoction. When we've described our environment for years by saying "It's not the heat; it's the humidity," it's only natural that we'd try and find a metric that incorporates both to take the ambiguity out of a statistical measure of the conditions of the day. Just like it was only natural to find a way to combine slugging and on-base percentage so we'd have a way of comparing two different types of hitters side-by-side.

cooby Jan 25 2013 11:31 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

I agree with FK on one point though...when they start frothing at the mouth when it's 95 degrees or 5 degrees and they tell us to stay inside! You'll die otherwise! it's a little much. Humans are somewhat adaptable to temperature changes after all, and unless we are not dressed properly for the weather, we should be just fine. It's nice to know when there is a storm coming for sure, but don't scare the pants off of us. 'Cos then we will probably be too cold. The Sandy predictions were spot on I might add. Maybe a little less than adequate as it turned out.

themetfairy Jan 25 2013 12:24 PM Re: It's Fucking Cold

I'll chime in on this aspect - snow in Chicago has the potential of messing up air travel all over the country, so it's helpful for people to know that they might have to make alternative flight plans. Aside from that, I agree that the hysteria over cold weather in the winter and hot weather in the summer is over the top.

Chad Ochoseis Jan 25 2013 12:38 PM Re: It's Fucking Cold

Edgy MD wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: They do the same thing during warm spells in summer when suddenly air temp is replaced by "temperature humidity index" or other similar concocted nonsense. Well, the way we measure temperature has always been a man-made concoction. When we've described our environment for years by saying "It's not the heat; it's the humidity," it's only natural that we'd try and find a metric that incorporates both to take the ambiguity out of a statistical measure of the conditions of the day. Just like it was only natural to find a way to combine slugging and on-base percentage so we'd have a way of comparing two different types of hitters side-by-side. The difference is that the weathermedia loves to say things like "it's 22 degrees outside, but the wind makes it feel like -3". No, it doesn't. It makes it feel like a 22 degree day with a lot of wind. The problem with coming up with a single metric for the combination is that it takes the subjective feel of cold plus wind (or heat plus humidity for the temperature-humidity index), and gives it a false cloak of statistical objectivity. Better to say that it's 22 degrees outside with a 13 mile an hour wind, and let people come to their own conclusions as to how that feels. I have a similar issue with WAR, as opposed to OPS. I'd rather just see a player's specific statistics plus perhaps some argument as to why those specific stats are worth X number of wins to a team, rather than simply accepting a statement like "Wright's 2012 WAR was 5.7" without seeing the underlying numbers.

Kong76 Jan 25 2013 01:02 PM Re: It's Fucking Cold

"Feels like -3º out there today." "It's fucking cold." "Yeah, but the temperature and the wind ch" "It's fucking cold." "Let me finish my sentence!" "No, it's fucking cold."

metirish Jan 25 2013 01:14 PM Re: It's Fucking Cold

true story.....went out to the car this morning to start it up before I left....a half empty bottle of water was frozen solid...... I miss Frank Field and his son Storm...best names ever for weather guys.....

Edgy MD Jan 25 2013 01:22 PM Re: It's Fucking Cold

The distinction is very meaningful to guys on the street. The DC Hypothermia program guaranteed shelter to all comers when the temperature dipped below freezing. If the temp was expected to be that low, a hypothermia alert went on, and a handful of agencies would open hypothermia overflow shelters, whose expenses would be reimbursed by the city. But one night that's 30 degrees, clear and still, we'd open up and only get a dozen or so refugees. But another night would be 34, with pummeling rain and swiirling wind, there'd be 60 guys outside the shelter, waiting to get in, but the city wouldn't trigger the alert. So it's not a semantic question. It's important that those elements get factored in for a meaningful bottom line. And it's as good a time to mention as any: you'll thank yourself if you take a moment before the weekend starts to Google a number for your jurisdiction's homeless or hypothermia hotline. Punch it into your cell phone, write it in on a business card to tuck into your wallet, or write it with a marker on your wrist. When you see a freezing homeless person out there in distress, you'll be glad you have somebody to call.

seawolf17 Jan 25 2013 01:22 PM Re: It's Fucking Cold

Yes, but wind chill does somewhat mean something. Because in, say, April, if the wind is coming from the south, it might be warmer than wind coming from the north, so wouldn't that be logical, if you're watching the weather, to know, "Yeah, it's 50 degrees out there, but that's a cold wind, so when it kicks up, you're going to want to make sure you have a jacket"?

Frayed Knot Jan 25 2013 01:37 PM Re: It's Fucking Cold

Various responses: - lots of things happen everyday that don't get reported; planes land safely, for instance, but we only report on the ones that don't. My objection, about NBC in particular, is that they've positioned themselves to the point where they're reporting virtually any slightly out of the ordinary weather event as if it's top story news. Partly I'm sure this is because it's cheap and easy to get some regional correspondent to stand out on a street corner and because weather stories often make for pretty pictures. But mainly I believe it's because it fits in well with their corporate strategy and whether said story is actually newsworthy to a national audience seems merely coincidental. - 'wind-chill factors' and 'heat indexes' are worthy approximations of the conditions above and beyond just the air temp, but their use as a substitute for actual temps on their maps smacks of cheesy sensationalism to make the extremes look even more dramatic in graphic form. You know what I wanna hear?: some guy give the wind-chill on a July day but of course they don't because that would make things seem less dramatic even if the affect is just as real. Why minimize things when it's just as easy to magnify them?!? - if they're reporting the weather conditions because it's affecting travel or some such stuff then fine, but that's not what they're doing 90% of the time. - my point here isn't to deny global warming (whether cyclical, man-caused, or some combo of the two) it's that citing it as a reason to trumpet every variation from the norm as something that could only be the result of impending doom (while conveniently fitting the whole pr campaign) is weak at best even when it's not totally misleading.

cooby Jan 25 2013 02:12 PM Re: It's Fucking Cold

The distinction is very meaningful to guys on the street. The DC Hypothermia program guaranteed shelter to all comers when the temperature dipped below freezing. If the temp was expected to be that low, a hypothermia alert went on, and a handful of agencies would open hypothermia overflow shelters, whose expenses would be reimbursed by the city. But one night that's 30 degrees, clear and still, we'd open up and only get a dozen or so refugees. But another night would be 34, with pummeling rain and swiirling wind, there'd be 60 guys outside the shelter, waiting to get in, but the city wouldn't trigger the alert. So it's not a semantic question. It's important that those elements get factored in for a meaningful bottom line. And it's as good a time to mention as any: you'll thank yourself if you take a moment before the weekend starts to Google a number for your jurisdiction's homeless or hypothermia hotline. Punch it into your cell phone, write it in on a business card to tuck into your wallet, or write it with a marker on your wrist. When you see a freezing homeless person out there in distress, you'll be glad you have somebody to call. Edgy that is a beautiful idea

Kong76 Jan 25 2013 03:45 PM Re: It's Fucking Cold

I see someone half dead in the snow around here I'm calling the cops and then an ambulance. OE: I'll call the ambulance first, the cops will get here quicker.

Edgy MD Jan 25 2013 06:26 PM Re: It's Fucking Cold

That photo is from Toronto, with a guy trying to make a go of it on a grate with escaping steam. There's just a lot of folks who aren't quite half dead, but are in more trouble than they realize. Cops and firefighters aren't always the best at talking them off the streets. In my experience, the firefighters, usually the more able first responders in any emergency that doesn't involve a gun, aren't always at their best with the homeless. I don't know what the standard is in NYC these days, but when I's in DC, they had a fully outfitted truck escort the medical van on all calls. It was a waste of their time, training, and equipment to have eight of them standing around while the med team picked up a drunk who fell on his face, and it would cloud their better nature. If it's not a fall-down situation, but just a situation of dangerous vunerability, there are others out there hopefully with the training to get folks inside.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 25 2013 06:56 PM Re: It's Fucking Cold

In New York, you summon a DHS outreach team by calling 311. In theory. (It used to be better. Budget cuts over the last three years have ravaged both DHS and the DOITT team behind 311 operator training/supervision.)

Ashie62 Jan 26 2013 08:15 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

The TV news shows 2400 people in Staten Island living in tents with gas heaters and those interviewed seem desperate. Wouldn't this be one of the first places that 12/12/12 money would go...Build a dorm...put them in hotels..so somebody do this...Sen Schumer >> you Gov. Cuomo >> also

Fman99 Jan 26 2013 01:43 PM Re: It's Fucking Cold

Ran 9.3 miles outside today -- and for my longer runs I usually wear this to carry some hydration for myself. After five miles the water and Gatorade I had brought was frozen solid. So much for hydration.

themetfairy Jan 26 2013 03:09 PM Re: It's Fucking Cold

That happened to me once, a long time ago. Back when I had enough stamina to run in sub-20 degree conditions (those days are long gone!).

Frayed Knot Jan 26 2013 05:35 PM Re: It's Fucking Cold

Look at the latest cold snap this way: we've passed the bottom portion of the curve and are now on the way up meaning that, from here on out, the average temp for each day will be fractionally warmer then the previous one.

Kong76 Jan 26 2013 07:16 PM Re: It's Fucking Cold

I find it hard to believe that a water/gatorade strapped to a running body (getting constantly shaken) and also close to the warmth of a body would freeze solid after running five miles.

themetfairy Jan 26 2013 08:31 PM Re: It's Fucking Cold

I don't. A few years back I had a water bottle freeze during a 5K run. It's not that all of the water freezes. It's that enough of the water at the drinking spout freezes that it blocks any of the non-frozen water from being accessible.

Kong76 Jan 26 2013 08:43 PM Re: It's Fucking Cold

You athletes stick together! He said solid.

cooby Jan 31 2013 08:44 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

Last night, during the night, my yard mysteriously appeared again. And my neighbors' yards!

metirish Jan 31 2013 08:53 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

It's............warm out.

metsmarathon Jan 31 2013 09:07 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

but, snow tomorrow, so, yay!

soupcan Jan 31 2013 09:26 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

Fman99 wrote: Ran 9.3 miles outside today -- and for my longer runs I usually wear this to carry some hydration for myself. After five miles the water and Gatorade I had brought was frozen solid. So much for hydration. I bought this small hand-held thing and ran with it on my 15 miler this past weekend... The first time I tried to sip from it I couldn't even get a drop out of it. I was pissed. I kept trying and trying and...nothing. Finally I just unscrewed the whole top and drank out of it that way. Was all ready to barge back into the place I bought it and bitch and moan. Then I looked a little closer and realized that I wasn't opening it the proper way when I was trying to sip. Doh. metsmarathon wrote: but, snow tomorrow, so, yay! Really..? You sure? Its so freakin' warm today.

Edgy MD Jan 31 2013 09:30 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

What can we tell you? We broke the planet.

cooby Jan 31 2013 09:31 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

It's already getting cold here. Yes, and as mm says, the yards are going to disappear again very soon. Oh joy, the oil man is here...

Kong76 Jan 31 2013 09:38 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

What's a gallon of heating oil go for in coobyland? (if you don't mind me asking)

cooby Jan 31 2013 09:39 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

Hey guess what? It's snowing here now! And the wind is still blowing! It's a good old fashioned winter, I guess :)

cooby Jan 31 2013 09:41 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

Oh, and a gallon of oil in coobyland is $3.85 today. How about in Kongland? :)

soupcan Jan 31 2013 10:01 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

$4.099 in my parts.

cooby Jan 31 2013 10:05 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

cooby wrote: Last night, during the night, my yard mysteriously appeared again. And my neighbors' yards! Well, that didn't last long... I have bargain oil compared to soupcan! Plus a 10% discount if I pay in ten days...

MFS62 Jan 31 2013 10:07 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

My last delivery was at $3.89. But the price of gas has gone up since then, so I expect my next oil delivery will be at a higher price. Later

Kong76 Jan 31 2013 10:50 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

$4.10 was about what it was here last time too.

themetfairy Jan 31 2013 12:26 PM Re: It's Fucking Cold

Not only is it getting cold again, but this wind is annoying!

cooby Feb 05 2013 10:59 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

I don't know about you guys but we have been getting snow pretty much every day for a week or so. I feel like I shuffled off to Buffalo.

themetfairy Feb 05 2013 11:10 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

We've gotten dustings the last few nights. Nothing major.

Ceetar Feb 05 2013 06:46 PM Re: It's Fucking Cold

cooby wrote: I don't know about you guys but we have been getting snow pretty much every day for a week or so. I feel like I shuffled off to Buffalo. Buffalo's not as overly snowy as you think. It's more the bitter cold and very windy type, with the occasional 8foot lake effect dump.

Ashie62 Feb 05 2013 10:04 PM Re: It's Fucking Cold

Bitter cold. Is it bothering you at all when you go back? If not I envy you!

Edgy MD Feb 05 2013 10:59 PM Re: It's Fucking Cold

I get really cold when I have to take one of those eight-foot lake effect dumps.

Ceetar Feb 06 2013 05:47 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

Edgy MD wrote: I get really cold when I have to take one of those eight-foot lake effect dumps. The Bills do it 8 times a year. boom.

MFS62 Feb 07 2013 08:26 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

With up to 15 inches of snow (or more) predicted up here, its nice to know it will be Summer year round in Russia. http://news.yahoo.com/time-russias-medv ... 21061.html BTW, at the site for the next Winter Olympics, they only have a handfull of days per year when the temperature drops below freezing. The average Winter Temperature is around 53 degrees F. Later

Frayed Knot Feb 07 2013 10:46 AM Re: It's Fucking Cold

MFS62 wrote: BTW, at the site for the next Winter Olympics, they only have a handfull of days per year when the temperature drops below freezing. The average Winter Temperature is around 53 degrees F. Yeah, but it's the same way in Vancouver; temps often in the 50s in the city which is by the water (Pacific in the case of Vancouver, Black Sea in the case of Sochi) but much colder with (usually) snow in the mountains some 30 miles inland.

MFS62 Feb 07 2013 02:48 PM Re: It's Fucking Cold

Frayed Knot wrote: Yeah, but it's the same way in Vancouver; temps often in the 50s in the city which is by the water (Pacific in the case of Vancouver, Black Sea in the case of Sochi) but much colder with (usually) snow in the mountains some 30 miles inland. Well, if all else fails, they can try water skiing. LAter

Ashie62 Feb 07 2013 06:42 PM Re: It's Fucking Cold

14-16 inches 30 mph sustained winds here in NJ ...I am now assuming power outage..