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metirish
Mar 12 2013 08:58 AM

I didn't know this until today but apparently there is quite the tension between star and club. I haven't been paying a lot of attention but did Santana come to Spring Training ready to get ready?




Rancor persists between NY Mets, Johan Santana;

BY ANDY MARTINO

It was an an amusing moment last week in Port St. Lucie, when Johan Santana absently held the door open while leaving the Mets clubhouse, as people with good manners do. When he looked back, he could only grimace at who passed behind him: A half-dozen members of the media, who reside along with the Mets’ front office these days in a special circle of his own personal hell.

It could have been a light moment -- oh, ha ha, you have been staking out my locker for days, and now here we are -- but Santana’s lips’ grew tight, and he narrowed his eyes. “Bien?” he said. “We good?”

There are no jokes between reporters and Santana right now, despite years of professional, sometimes distant, but usually pleasant relations. And that might be a slight step up from his interactions with team officials; John Harper reported yesterday on Twitter that there is almost no communication between star and club.

“Let’s put it this way,” one team official told me. “This wouldn’t be the time to approach him about helping with any team functions.”

What is going on with this guy, and can it be resolved? As you surely know, the trouble started last month, when Santana arrived in Port St. Lucie with a weak shoulder, and a request to pitch for Venezuela in the World Baseball Classic. Those two facts did not compute for the Mets, who were confused and frustrated.

Santana, and the team officials who are on his side here, contend that he was surprised by the shoulder issue, and desperately wants to be healthy for reasons both pure and practical: He is an elite competitor, and needs another contract after this season.

But it became public two weekends ago, when Sandy Alderson said that Santana was not in “pitching shape,” a term that the logical GM felt was “self-evident,” because, well, Santana was not pitching. But logic did not matter here. The proud pitcher saw the quotes, and the headlines and our back page (SHAPE UP!), and retreated into an anger that has not cleared.

The next day, he threw a bullpen session that his camp swears was not about proving a point; afterward, when I asked him how many pitches he threw, he bit his lower lip, paused, appeared to gather all the professionalism he could muster, and said, “About 15.” That’s all the world has heard from him since: Little snippets that sound more like “go away.”

The best analysis came from a longtime Mets official, who has seen this movie before: “This is Carlos Beltran all over again,” the guy told me.

I ran that by another Mets person, who answered: “We were just talking about that the other day. This is like the way it ended for Beltran.”

Meaning: The Mets sign a thoughtful, highly intelligent but sensitive superstar to a long-term contract, for more than $100 million. The star produces some memorable moments, but is injured a fair amount over the course of the deal. By the final year or two, everyone has had it. Sniping breeds resentment, and eye rolling on all sides.

Where does all this lead? Well, last year, Beltran returned to Port St. Lucie one March day in a Cardinals uniform. While addressing the media, he said all the right things, thanking the Mets and speaking of fond memories. All the while, those who knew him could spot a glint of mischief in his eyes, a hint about how he really felt.

The only question with Santana: What uniform will he be wearing when he lives this moment, 12 months from now?

(Photo by Howard Simmons/New York Daily News)


http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/baseba ... -chipper-j


Then there is this from Joe D


Santana Is Still Bitter With The Mets? Is This Guy Serious?

It’s amazing to me how just one player’s status can have such a widespread reaction on the whole team. Take Johan Santana for example. He was supposed to be all rested and ready to go and instead he showed with his arm in no condition to participate with the rest of his teammates in drills, bullpens, live batting practice and appearing in Grapefruit League games.

One little comment from Sandy Alderson who simply stated that Santana’s arm was not ready, and all of a sudden the world stopped turning.

Immediately the GM is getting blasted by some for igniting a powder keg big enough to blow Tradition Field to Iowa. But give me a break, all he did was answer a question and did so honestly. My problems with Sandy have always been when he did the opposite so I’m sure as hell not going to get into his face for being forthright.

And for those fans who seem intent on blaming him for what has ensued ever since with regard to Santana’s piss-poor behavior, I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

The problem here is Johan Santana, not Alderson, not Terry Collins, and not the Mets.

For a player whom I’ve always looked up to as a warrior, he’s been acting more like George Costanza; always whining or pouting and blaming everyone in the world except himself for his problems. For crying out loud, quit your bitching and just try to remedy the situation rather than making it worse.

Santana has yet to make his spring debut because he is still in the process of building strength in his shoulder, or basically exactly what Sandy Alderson told reporters over a week ago. Nothing’s changed.

If things have gotten worse it’s because Santana decided upon himself to toss an unscheduled bullpen session – weakened shoulder and all – just to prove that he was the ultimate macho man – the ultimate warrior. But instead he came away looking like a big sour puss and worse yet risked another potentially costly setback, and now a trip to the DL is all but inevitable.

Compounding things even further is Santana’s continued whining and moaning. He told columnist John Harper that he remains bitter toward the ballclub and is barely communicating with club officials. Are you freaking kidding me?

Santana, 33, is still owed $25 million this season and more like $31.5 million when you include his buyout. What is this guy’s major malfunction? In a matter of two weeks, Santana has gone from warrior to wimp. I’m tired of wasting time on him and this situation…

Onward and upward.


http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/03/sa ... rious.html

Ceetar
Mar 12 2013 09:15 AM
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he's the media's "run him out of town" target this year. I wouldn't make anything of it, although there are plenty of inconsistencies with the stories all over the place.

It seems like Santana came to camp expecting to be ready, and his shoulder didn't quite respond, strength-wise, the way he expected it to.

Edgy MD
Mar 12 2013 09:17 AM
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The problem is that when you complain that he media is treating you unfairly, however true that may be, they smell blood and really go after you.

Ceetar
Mar 12 2013 09:20 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
The problem is that when you complain that he media is treating you unfairly, however true that may be, they smell blood and really go after you.


Sure. But we don't have to buy what the media is selling. Because we have more access to information these days.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 12 2013 09:23 AM
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Not injured, not healthy, not happy.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 12 2013 09:24 AM
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Ceetar wrote:
Edgy MD wrote:
The problem is that when you complain that he media is treating you unfairly, however true that may be, they smell blood and really go after you.


Sure. But we don't have to buy what the media is selling. Because we have more access to information these days.


Ah, yes. "The Media" got together and made this story up.

Ceetar
Mar 12 2013 09:27 AM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Ceetar wrote:
Edgy MD wrote:
The problem is that when you complain that he media is treating you unfairly, however true that may be, they smell blood and really go after you.


Sure. But we don't have to buy what the media is selling. Because we have more access to information these days.


Ah, yes. "The Media" got together and made this story up.


They can grab a narrative and run with it better than a dog with his favorite bone.

metirish
Mar 12 2013 09:33 AM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 12 2013 09:38 AM

Jesus, PSL can't be that boring that the media are conspiring against him.....I did read before that Johan changed his off season routine to doing nothing baseball related at all thinking that would be to his benefit, didn't work it seems.

He's a good guy, hoping things don't go pear shaped.

Edgy MD
Mar 12 2013 09:35 AM
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Ceetar wrote:
Edgy MD wrote:
The problem is that when you complain that he media is treating you unfairly, however true that may be, they smell blood and really go after you.


Sure. But we don't have to buy what the media is selling. Because we have more access to information these days.

I don't but Met fans in general (hell, fans of all teams) don't have a great history of resisting a media campaign to nail a player to the wall.

I'll lay all the money in my wallet that he gets the opening day boobirds working.

A Boy Named Seo
Mar 12 2013 09:39 AM
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Are my memories of Beltran's tenure different than everyone else's?

metsguyinmichigan
Mar 12 2013 10:05 AM
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This is quintessential bad sports reporting:

All the while, those who knew him could spot a glint of mischief in his eyes, a hint about how he really felt.


In other words, Beltran didn't say what Tracky WANTED him to say, so he's just going to pretend that he did, and quote him anyway. Because, you know, the story must fit the preconceived narrative, even if the facts don't.

batmagadanleadoff
Mar 12 2013 10:54 AM
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The problem is that when you complain that he media is treating you unfairly, however true that may be, they smell blood and really go after you.


Sure. But we don't have to buy what the media is selling. Because we have more access to information these days.


Ah, yes. "The Media" got together and made this story up.


The Mets are a model franchise, a franchise like one oughtta be. EffWilpon deserves the Noble Peace Prize in the category of baseball team ownership. And according to some posters here, any negative news item about the Mets is always, always, always a media conspiracy. Oh. And Johan Santana'll probably win the Cy Young Award this season if the media would just let him be. He probably didn't rape that girl either. I mean, he said he didn't. Isn't that enough for the media? Let's all wait, Godot-like, for the Mets to sign, and soon, like this month, with their invisible and infinite money, the next Donn Clendenon, the next star that'll bring home the WS trophy to Flushing. The last piece to the puzzle. The next Gary Carter, even though the Mets didn't win anything in 1985, Gary's first and best season as a Met. The last piece to the puzzle. If you don't include Bobby Ojeda or Kevin Mitchell, who were laster than Gary.


Meet the Satire Called the Mets
The Mercy Rule

By David Roth



There are many species, genera, families, and phyla of sports fan. There are force-of-habit fans cheering because it has become second nature, kids cheering with the unblemished enthusiasm that only sports-crazed 11-year-olds, people on drugs, and Andrew W. K. can muster, and message-board barflies, and you can subcatergorize the latter by type of message board. You’ve got people looking for a mainstream-enough excuse to get supremely fucked up in the daytime; you've got the glowering dads in it for the bitter thrills of watching an old white coach scream with impunity at the younger, buffer, blacker men in his imperious employ; you've got lighter-hearted sorts who just want to borrow some transcendence from those players; you’ve got the weird kidults seething on hold at some Wattles and the Koosh sports talk-radio show. All of these people have at least one thing in common, which is their choice of escapism vehicle. But none of them can quite understand what it's like to be a fan of the New York Mets.

Every fan who’s spent time cheering for a losing team will say this about their experience, or something like it. Unhappy fan bases have convinced themselves they’re all different. Before it became the most successful sports town in the nation over the last decade, Boston spent generations—decades and decades of life—telling this story to itself and an increasingly exasperated nation. There are documentaries in which avuncular white men tell well-rehearsed stories about how sad they were when the Red Sox didn't win a World Series, and there are other white men who actually watch these documentaries. But Bostonians aren’t special sad snowflakes: Cleveland Browns fans, who have suffered relentlessly and without hope for generations, have turned their team's losing into a complex and miserable worldview, and Kansas City Royals fans have turned their team's failures into a pointed and pretty convincing critique of capitalist power dynamics. Everybody hurts. You get it.

Mets fans are not notably smarter or dumber, more or less entitled, or even sadder than the fans of any other flailing team. There's a tendency among Mets fans to mythologize or otherwise inflate their experiences, and while that tendency is shared with fans of every other team, the New York mindset provides us with the certainty that our experiences are blazingly interesting and that others wish to hear about them. But the Mets, the institution to which they (we, if I'm being honest) have willingly yoked a portion of their emotional well-being and years of leisure hours, actually are unique.

The team itself is like many other middling-to-dicey teams—a few stars, some larger number of nonstars, a clubhouse haunted by paunchy free-agent mistakes playing out a platinum-plated string, and a future made less bleak by some promising prospects. There is both a cagey baseball man at the head of the organization and the requisite bright-young-thing moneyballers—in this case, people who actually appeared in the book Moneyball in brighter, younger days—assisting him. The strangeness emanates almost entirely from the Wilpon family, a flubby Long Island real estate dynasty in full Hapsburgian decline.

There have been and are any number of awful owners in sports—the only qualification for the job is being either supremely wealthy or supremely shameless, and the two do tend to go together. But where most owners have recently distinguished themselves through their huffily John Galtian militancy and vicious avarice, the Wilpons are playing a different and goofier game, spinning cascading failure, proud delusion, and unrelenting and imperturbable clownishness into what's less a standard Shitty Owner Ruins Team story and more like a strange, sprawling satirical novel.

There isn't an author who could write it, but you'd come closest if you asked Don DeLillo to write one of his recent Awful Rich Men Fail Greatly novels and then had Sam Lipsyte go back over it, rewriting all the characters so that they are callow, childish, and comically hapless. The Wilpons got caught up in Bernie Madoff’s labyrinthine Ponzi scheme—that’s the DeLillo part—and then proceeded to leverage and releverage the team in order to stay tenuously afloat, denying all the while that they were doing so, and making the situation catastrophically and hilariously worse in so doing; the Wilpons have an estimated $900 million of debt due in 2014–15, and are commonly understood to have virtually no money. That's the Lipsyte part. It's hard to know who would write the bit about the Mets putting a storefront/recruiting center for the disgraced pyramid-scheming corpo-cult Amway in their stadium. It is, honestly, a bit much. A good author would cut it, citing implausibility.

Cheering for a shitty team is easy—anyone can do it, and it's one of the few tasks that becomes easier the drunker you get. Cheering for a team that ruthlessly and relentlessly satirizes itself in broad and livid strokes is somewhat more challenging. It's still preferable to the alternative, given that the alternative is cheering for the Yankees. But some kinds of uniqueness are more appealing than others, and satire gets progressively more difficult to laugh at the better it gets.


http://www.vice.com/read/the-mercy-rule ... d-the-mets

Lefty Specialist
Mar 12 2013 11:45 AM
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The strangeness emanates almost entirely from the Wilpon family, a flubby Long Island real estate dynasty in full Hapsburgian decline.

What a deliciously over-the-top but painfully true sentence. I didn't think it was possible to get 'flubby' so close to 'Hapsburgian'.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 12 2013 11:56 AM
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Great sentence, though Diamond Dave could do without the three-and-half-paragraph lead-in. Geez.

G-Fafif
Mar 12 2013 03:14 PM
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Baseball team "officials" and "insiders" are certainly a chatty bunch. And Martino and his fellow scamps make for quite the row of clucking hen gossip columnists.

I doubt Santana will be booed on Opening Day, mostly because he seems destined for that purgatory known as Extended Spring Training. I doubt he'd be booed with any force anyway. That June 1 performance yielded a vast reservoir of goodwill and most of this spring's "controversy" has been B-level stuff. If the worst Johan does is answer questions in taciturn fashion, he's not going to stoke enough of a fire to resonate on a mass scale, a few vocal cranks notwithstanding.

seawolf17
Mar 12 2013 03:25 PM
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Anyone who fucking boos Johan Santana on Opening Day gets not only their fan card revoked, but also kicked in the nuts. Honestly, if I was a free agent, I'd never sign here.

Edgy MD
Mar 12 2013 04:45 PM
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Lucas Duda kicks anyone who boos in the nuts.

Zvon
Mar 12 2013 07:19 PM
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This situation with Santana is one of those things that could have been and should have been avoided. If Sandy's comments about Johan not being in shape were supposed to be motivating (I hope this was the case as opposed to intentionally alienating in preperation for a mid season trade) they certainly did that. To the point of anger and an emotionally juvinile response(Santana throwing off a mound earlier than scheduled) from Johan. I don't like this type of monkey business. Sandys a smart man. He should know there are times when its better off not to say anything. This was one of those times. This should have been a private matter between the team and the player.

Ashie62
Mar 13 2013 04:52 PM
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Collins says Johan not even close to mound..25 million in the toilet.

But it will jump start Wheeler...PROGESS!!!

Ashie62
Mar 13 2013 04:54 PM
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seawolf17 wrote:
Anyone who fucking boos Johan Santana on Opening Day gets not only their fan card revoked, but also kicked in the nuts. Honestly, if I was a free agent, I'd never sign here.


What if he gets booed in Port St. Lucie til June?

RealityChuck
Mar 14 2013 06:54 AM
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The media searches for stories, and if there's no story, they speculate. Santana gets a little pissed (maybe), but he's a adult. He may get pissed, but he is mature enough not to carry a grudge about it.

The media assume all ballplayers are two-year-olds. Look at the articles on Wheeler being sent down: everyone who knew anything about the situation knew that was inevitable. Yet the coverage made it seem like Wheeler was massively disappointed and upset that he didn't get the chance to prove himself. The reporters concentrated on one or two colorful quotes and probably didn't reflect Wheeler's true feelings and made it look like he was pissed at the team for doing this.

So the Santana "story" is more of the same: taking out of context the issues that make it a more interesting story.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Mar 14 2013 10:10 AM
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Plus, it's a longer spring than usual, so... same old Spring Training BS, only moreso.