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Extra Innings/Jack Kavanagh

Ashie62 Mar 17 2013 09:36 AM

In 1971 I put down my Strat-O-Matic cards and showed my mom an ad in the Sporting News with another Baseball Simulation named "Extra Innings" with the allure that you got the formula for creating your own players and teams and were not beholden to buy new cards every year. The game was developed by Jack Kavanagh and MIT grad student Jeff Sagarin.. as a precocious kid I wrote letters back and forth with suggestions for changes and such Jack has passed away but I believe gets some credit for the very idea of sabermetrics and I believe he "lead" the SABR in its infancy. I have reconnected with this groundbreaking work and ask if any of you have heard of or met this person... A Mets roster is below..It is a three dice (six-sided) 216 combination system and the text and charts are only 16 pages.. Thanks!

Ashie62 Mar 19 2013 12:33 PM Re: Extra Innings/Jack Kavanagh

Nothing on Kavanagh folks?... Thanks anyway..He was SABR Prez 1995 Later

vtmet Mar 19 2013 07:28 PM Re: Extra Innings/Jack Kavanagh

I never played "Extra Innings" but I used to like a baseball game that I believe was called "Statis Pro Baseball"... apparently, I remembered the name correctly:

RealityChuck Mar 19 2013 07:52 PM Re: Extra Innings/Jack Kavanagh

Mine was All Star Baseball. Instead of rolling dice, you had a spinner for each player, with the sections designed to match the player's ability. Thus for Harmon Killebrew, the section marked "1" (for home run) was large, while Bobby Richardson didn't even have a 1.

vtmet Mar 19 2013 07:55 PM Re: Extra Innings/Jack Kavanagh

RealityChuck wrote: Mine was All Star Baseball. Instead of rolling dice, you had a spinner for each player, with the sections designed to match the player's ability. Thus for Harmon Killebrew, the section marked "1" (for home run) was large, while Bobby Richardson didn't even have a 1. I don't remember what the board game was called...but I used to play it over my friend's house in the early 70's...Part of the board was the Wrigley Scoreboard...If I remember correctly, that scoreboard wasn't on the actual board, it was a pop-out that you attached to the board...

vtmet Mar 19 2013 08:34 PM Re: Extra Innings/Jack Kavanagh

after messaging my childhood friend on facebook...he said that the name of the game was "All Star Baseball"; and I'm pretty sure this is the version that he had: http://cadacoallstarbaseball.com/about/ ... ball-from/

batmagadanleadoff Mar 19 2013 09:04 PM Re: Extra Innings/Jack Kavanagh

All Star Baseball didn't account for the effects of pitching or defense. Thus, Harmon Killebrew would perform equally, whether facing Denny McClain or some scrub. I had that same edition with the Wrigley background and the White Sox or Phillie sans logos on the game box cover. Why is this topic in the non-baseball forum?

RealityChuck Mar 19 2013 09:12 PM Re: Extra Innings/Jack Kavanagh

I actually liked baseball simulations that were not realistic. I created one myself with a bunch of cards I picked up at the five and dime, using my extra baseball cards as the teams. I loved when someone like Bob Aspromonte was a superstar and Chuck Estrada was one of the greatest pitchers ever, while Pete Rose couldn't break into the lineup.