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The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Swan Swan H
Apr 01 2013 07:17 PM

There was some near-perfect symmetry in the Mets and Yankees, playing their season openers at home at the same time, winding up with an 11-2 Mets win and an 8-2 Yankees loss. Better still is this picture, which has been all over Twitter, of the die-hard Yankee crowd hanging with their boys right until the end.

The caption on Twitter states that this is the bottom of the ninth, but based on the white-clad defense and grey-clad baserunner it is more likely the top of the ninth, just after Joba the Gut turned a 5-2 deficit into an 8-2 punking.

Story link: [url]http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/look-empty-seats-york-yankees-sad-opening-day-215800621--mlb.html

metirish
Apr 01 2013 07:36 PM
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I hope they finish in last place....they don't seem to have much young ones coming either.......and yeah that was the ninth but there's empty and then there's that empty....for shame .

Fman99
Apr 01 2013 07:39 PM
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This is so great, it has to be fattening.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Apr 01 2013 07:41 PM
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Fman99 wrote:
This is so great, it has to be fattening.


Bad ass!

Edgy MD
Apr 01 2013 07:54 PM
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Fits the mausoleic theme of the architecture well.

Edgy MD
Apr 01 2013 08:01 PM
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You can find the offseason thread here. When it's archived, it will be found among threads started in October 2012.

Frayed Knot
Apr 01 2013 09:38 PM
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I caught a bit of the 9th inning and saw all those empty seats. Didn't hear any commentary on it but, considering the tight rein they keep on the paid flacks over there, I suspect the mass exodus barely got mentioned. And remember, this is the org that canned Red Barber for remarking on the lack of fans during a cold and meaningless late season game in 1966 I believe it was (paid attendance at YS was literally around 1,000 peeps that day).

To be fair, by the time that photo was taken the day had turned colder, windier, was raining a bit, the game was a blow-out, and, being a Yanx/Sawx game, the contest was of course well into its 4th hour. But still, been a long time since we've seen that place that empty and it started out as supposedly the largest crowd in YSIII history.



Edgy MD wrote:
You can find the offseason thread here. When it's archived, it will be found among threads started in October 2012.


Don't threads get archived based on the last month of activity on them?

MFS62
Apr 01 2013 10:04 PM
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That VYF (Virulent Yankee Fan) in my office took the day off to go to their opener.
I was going to ask him how he liked the game. But the more I thought about it, that is something he would do if the situation were reversed.
So I'm just going to sit at my desk, say nothing, and drive him bonkers waiting for me to say something.

Later

The Second Spitter
Apr 01 2013 10:09 PM
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Edgy MD
Apr 01 2013 10:13 PM
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Buster Olney wrote:
CC Sabathia's average fastball velocity was down by 2.4 mph from last season's opening day, from 92.1 to 89.7 mph.

bmfc1
Apr 01 2013 11:49 PM
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Edgy MD
Apr 02 2013 07:51 AM
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Most importantly.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 02 2013 07:59 AM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Don't threads get archived based on the last month of activity on them?


No, they're archived by the month that they started.

seawolf17
Apr 02 2013 08:34 AM
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That picture is from while Opening Day was still going on?!?! That's incredible.

G-Fafif
Apr 02 2013 08:36 AM
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Literally, a playoff atmosphere.

Mets – Willets Point
Apr 02 2013 09:16 AM
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And all those people you can still see in the stands? Red Sox fans.

Ceetar
Apr 02 2013 09:56 AM
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Hard to rag on them for the 9th inning crowd too much. This is clearly much better, and on the right side of a blowout, but still.

It was freaking cold. I was wearing a t-shirt until the second inning and even with my heavier stuff on was really cold by the 8th it was basically winter with a freaking cold wind, and gusting so much people were holding their caps on their heads every time it did.

Swan Swan H
Apr 02 2013 11:25 AM
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Ceetar wrote:
Hard to rag on them for the 9th inning crowd too much. This is clearly much better, and on the right side of a blowout, but still.

It was freaking cold. I was wearing a t-shirt until the second inning and even with my heavier stuff on was really cold by the 8th it was basically winter with a freaking cold wind, and gusting so much people were holding their caps on their heads every time it did.


No sympathy for MFY fans. I was there until the final pitch yesterday, section 515, row 8. The wind was blowing like a cheerleader on prom night, but I would have stayed even if the score was 11-2 Pods. Your Citi Field snap is after the game was over, and by that time I was probably on the stairs. The MFY snap was the top of the ninth, fer Chrissakes. Fuck those front-running bastards.

Edgy MD
Apr 02 2013 12:24 PM
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Big beer owns the YSIII concourse.

[list]"I do not say this lightly: beer snobs might be the worst people in the world. But not even they deserve to be locked in Yankee Stadium for four hours, with the only unconventional option being this dinky and confused beer stand with four drinks on tap, all behemoth-brewed by the MillerCoors conglomerate."[/list:u]

Frayed Knot
Apr 02 2013 12:57 PM
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Maybe the weirdest part in tuning briefly into the Yanx/Sawx game yesterday was the lack of familiar names, even if some of it is only temporary.
No Jeter, no ARod, no Teixeira, no Papi, no Beckett, no Drew (Stephen or JD) and even some of the recent 'Big Names' were gone or missing such as Granderson, Swisher, Martin, Adrian Gonzalez & Carl Crawford.

One of the few recognizable names was Youkilis and even he was in the wrong dugout! Other than that it was Cano & Joba vs Pedroia & Ellsbury plus two groups of no-names and veteran cast-offs (Vernon Wells, Ichiro, Hafner, Overbay, Victorino, Napoli, etc.) who were there as if assigned by some temp agency.

Ceetar
Apr 02 2013 02:28 PM
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Big beer owns the YSIII concourse.

[list]"I do not say this lightly: beer snobs might be the worst people in the world. But not even they deserve to be locked in Yankee Stadium for four hours, with the only unconventional option being this dinky and confused beer stand with four drinks on tap, all behemoth-brewed by the MillerCoors conglomerate."[/list:u]


I love that that deadspin post gets the price at Citi Field wrong, links to a 2012 post which is basically the press release version of the beer list despite the post mentioning that I have/had more detailed information, and calls it's ridiculously extensive despite it being 95% behemoth-brewed (though by the other conglomerate). But I guess I'm one of the worst people in the world, so whatever.

metirish
Apr 02 2013 08:22 PM
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Cano fires Boras and hires Jay-Z as his agent.....no I am not making that up.

Frayed Knot
Apr 02 2013 08:42 PM
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metirish wrote:
Cano fires Boras and hires Jay-Z as his agent.....no I am not making that up.


And the really odd part is that he's hired Boras to DJ the music for his wedding.

Edgy MD
Apr 02 2013 09:51 PM
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Well, he signed with Jay-Z's agency, anyhow.

="The New York Times"]Jay-Z for Boras is a trade they would probably make any day of the week because it would seem to increase their chances of reaching a new deal with Cano, their 30-year second baseman, before his current contract expires after the 2013 season and before other teams can begin efforts to take him away.



I had no idea Cano had been playing with the Yanks for 30 years.

seawolf17
Apr 03 2013 08:07 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
I had no idea Cano had been playing with the Yanks for 30 years.

ROIDS

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Apr 03 2013 09:11 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
I had no idea Cano had been playing with the Yanks for 30 years.


Well, insofar as Jeter has been playing for the Yanks forever, in a sense, and in a sense, we are all Jeter... well, we have all ALWAYS been playing for the Yanks, haven't we?

Valadius
Apr 04 2013 12:38 PM
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How's this for a stat: for the first time in franchise history, the New York Yankees have allowed seven or more runs in each of their first two games.

MFS62
Apr 06 2013 04:08 PM
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During today's radiocast, Sterling said, (I paraphrase, but pretty close) "Tough day for Suzyn. We usually go to spots at the top of the inning, but they weren't sold".

The beginning of the end for their broadcasting cash cow?

Later

Fman99
Apr 06 2013 07:35 PM
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MFYs are currently 1-4 and have the worst record in the AL.

metirish
Apr 06 2013 08:21 PM
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The "if George were alive " articles will be plentiful tomorrow,

TheOldMole
Apr 07 2013 06:01 AM
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If George were alive, he'd be turning over in his grave?

Mets – Willets Point
Apr 07 2013 07:59 AM
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Most vicious zombie ever.

Edgy MD
Apr 18 2013 02:39 PM
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Dynasty ain't all that's crumbling. Reports pouring out that Jeter's still got a crack in that ankle and won't be back until after the All Star Break.

Ashie62
Apr 18 2013 04:47 PM
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All star break..at best.

Frayed Knot
Apr 18 2013 06:25 PM
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Not that I root for injuries or anything, but I am getting a kick out of this news solely for the reason that so many thought (and some even stated as if un-arguable fact) that Jetes was a lock to be ready for opening day simply because he was going to be able to will it to be so on account of his high level of overall Jeter-ness.
Yeah, turns out that he's subject to the same laws of physics and biology as everyone else.

Mets – Willets Point
Apr 18 2013 07:08 PM
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How is this going to affect the status of the New York based ASG as tribute to Jeter's jeterness?

Edgy MD
Apr 18 2013 07:10 PM
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I seem to also recall a lot of (a LOT of) arguments that it was prudent to overpay Jeter over the course of his contract, and add any years he thought he had coming to him, because he wasn't the type to take the money if he couldn't answer the bell. He'd retire rather than shamelessly accept pay from the team for sub-Jeteriffic outcomes.

batmagadanleadoff
Apr 18 2013 08:00 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Not that I root for injuries or anything, but I am getting a kick out of this news solely for the reason that so many thought (and some even stated as if un-arguable fact) that Jetes was a lock to be ready for opening day simply because he was going to be able to will it to be so on account of his high level of overall Jeter-ness.
Yeah, turns out that he's subject to the same laws of physics and biology as everyone else.


My formula for predicting when a baseball player will return from an injury is to always double the amount of time the team says will transpire before the player returns.

Frayed Knot
Apr 18 2013 08:25 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Not that I root for injuries or anything, but I am getting a kick out of this news solely for the reason that so many thought (and some even stated as if un-arguable fact) that Jetes was a lock to be ready for opening day simply because he was going to be able to will it to be so on account of his high level of overall Jeter-ness.
Yeah, turns out that he's subject to the same laws of physics and biology as everyone else.


My formula for predicting when a baseball player will return from an injury is to always double the amount of time the team says will transpire before the player returns.


Sure, or, at best, I go with a 50% increase: two weeks means three, six weeks means nine, etc. My overall point just was that, in the minds of some anyway, Jeter was was immune to such mortal standards.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 19 2013 07:23 AM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
My formula for predicting when a baseball player will return from an injury is to always double the amount of time the team says will transpire before the player returns.


Too bad your formula didn't apply to Ike Davis' ankle injury in 2011. He would have only missed about four games.

seawolf17
Apr 19 2013 08:51 AM
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Mets – Willets Point wrote:
How is this going to affect the status of the New York based ASG as tribute to Jeter's jeterness?

He'll either win the voting or be added as a sub and then starting SS Elvis Andrus will come down with a mysterious injury the day before, allowing them to start him.

FUCKING HELL, METS. WHY ARE YOU GOING TO LET THAT HAPPEN?

batmagadanleadoff
Apr 19 2013 09:21 AM
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Benjamin Grimm wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
My formula for predicting when a baseball player will return from an injury is to always double the amount of time the team says will transpire before the player returns.


Too bad your formula didn't apply to Ike Davis' ankle injury in 2011. He would have only missed about four games.


Overall, I'm way more accurate than whatever info the teams are putting out, but sometimes, I miss badly.

batmagadanleadoff
Apr 19 2013 09:22 AM
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Mets – Willets Point wrote:
How is this going to affect the status of the New York based ASG as tribute to Jeter's jeterness?


They'll have to move the ASG to YSIII to compensate.

Frayed Knot
Apr 19 2013 10:06 AM
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Mets – Willets Point wrote:
How is this going to affect the status of the New York based ASG as tribute to Jeter's jeterness?


Duh! Honorary Captain.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Apr 22 2013 08:11 PM
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I am shocked-- SHOCKED-- to hear such implications and imputations about a player who's gone through a massive performance boost in the last three years.

The spokeswoman for Robinson Cano's foundation is listed as having been a client of the Biogenesis clinic last summer, although she denies having received anything from the clinic and says Cano "definitely never did..."

... Cano has denied knowing clinic founder Tony Bosch or having ever used performance-enhancing drugs. But as his best friend, Melky Cabrera, his mentor, Alex Rodriguez, and now his spokeswoman have all been connected to clinic documents, MLB wants to know whether any relationship between Cano and the clinic exists.


Why, I've half a mind to have you removed from here for such an insult, you fanatic.

... I and many others in our section witnessed two individuals in Yankees jackets, complete with Yankees lanyard ID tags walk into our seating area and point out to Toronto police two fans who were chirping and heckling the Yankees bullpen. One individual, who was later violently arrested, did nothing but look at these two Yankees “men in black”. After starting a chant to the tune of “Yankees suck”, one of these bullpen trolls decided to photograph me with their mobile device. With a disgusting smile, he waved at me.

metirish
Apr 26 2013 07:23 PM
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Couldn't happen to a nicer guy... Francisco Cervelli out for at least six weeks after fracturing his right hand.......then Nova had to leave the game with elbow soreness.



Frayed Knot
Apr 27 2013 06:04 AM
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Did he break it pumping his fist (as he seems to do each and every a Yanqui pitcher records a strike-out)?

Ceetar
Apr 27 2013 06:07 AM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Did he break it pumping his fist (as he seems to do each and every a Yanqui pitcher records a strike-out)?


That's the motion to trigger the PC Richards jingle in the stadium. He's contractually obligated to do so.

Zvon
Apr 27 2013 11:32 AM
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I'll run this one out every chance I get.

Ashie62
Apr 27 2013 11:59 AM
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He broke it stuffing cash into an envelope..

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 27 2013 06:50 PM
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The Blue Jays are an international disgrace, and gift-wrapped yet another one for the MFYs today.

Ashie62
Apr 27 2013 08:05 PM
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With all their problems the MFY's are off to a very good start. Why shoud I be surprised?

bmfc1
Apr 28 2013 05:40 AM
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http://www.theonion.com/articles/yankee ... ere,32226/

Edgy MD
Apr 29 2013 07:39 PM
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Astros blasting the Yankees 9-1 right now.

Welcome the AL, boys.

Frayed Knot
Apr 29 2013 07:44 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Astros blasting the Yankees 9-1 right now.

Welcome the AL, boys.


Pettitte's first bad outing of the year - and it comes against the only club that qualifies as a former employer for him.
Bet they're enjoying this one back in east Texas

Zvon
Apr 29 2013 07:47 PM
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wrong thread,lol.

themetfairy
Apr 29 2013 08:12 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Edgy MD wrote:
Astros blasting the Yankees 9-1 right now.

Welcome the AL, boys.


Pettitte's first bad outing of the year - and it comes against the only club that qualifies as a former employer for him.
Bet they're enjoying this one back in east Texas


And 9-1 is your final.


Zvon
Apr 29 2013 08:17 PM
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themetfairy wrote:





Awwwwww.

Edgy MD
May 12 2013 06:32 PM
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Don't ever shush me again.

Swan Swan H
May 12 2013 08:47 PM
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Should you ever ingest poison and need to induce vomiting, just read this.

metirish
May 13 2013 06:30 AM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 13 2013 07:56 AM

Swan Swan H wrote:
Should you ever ingest poison and need to induce vomiting, just read this.



Ugh, our old pal Wally.....still acting the wally he is.....

Ian O'Connor will be pissed he didn't write that one.

Edgy MD
May 13 2013 07:22 AM
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Put aside the campaign to end the issue decisively by dealing Chamberlain and canonizing Rivera, my key takeaways are (1) that Wally got a scoop (!), and (2) it makes Yankees look bad no matter which way you slice it.

I got caught up in a Facebook thread last night where guys were one-upping each other slobbering over Rivera.

[list]John Peters: Clearly Mariano is the class act here.

Bill Peters: Of course, he is. He always is.

John Peters: I think he's the classiest player ever.

Edgy MD: *Throwing up things I don't even remember eating.*

Bill Peters: They clearly need to release Chamberlain here.

John Peters: Mariano deserves no less.

Bill Peters: DECENCY deserves no less!

Edgy MD: *Throwing up vital organs now.*

John Peters: He obviously shouldn't be retiring.

...[/list:u]

Ceetar
May 13 2013 07:33 AM
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That team pisses me off.

Almost as much as that stupid Yankees meme going around acting like Jeter is some secret-agent directory instead of an old fat gimp.

You're old! Lose already! someone take away their happy pills..

Edgy MD
May 13 2013 07:40 AM
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Ceetar wrote:
You're old! Lose already!

That would be a funny meme theme.

Ceetar
May 13 2013 07:53 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Ceetar wrote:
You're old! Lose already!

That would be a funny meme theme.


I'm at work, but tonight, I so want to photoshop one of those billboards about legends with "You're old! Lose already!"

MFS62
May 13 2013 07:57 AM
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Edgy, why do you even deign to associate with Yankee fans?
Its not healthy for body OR mind, even if you have a strong gag reflex.

Later

Edgy MD
May 13 2013 09:01 AM
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Aren't you married to a Yankee fan?

I was posting at a Facebook page The Old Mole invited me to.

MFS62
May 13 2013 09:05 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Aren't you married to a Yankee fan?

Sigh.
Yes.
So I know the frustration of trying to communicate with one. :)
But I have educated my grandchildren properly in the ways of Met-dom.

Later

Mets – Willets Point
May 13 2013 10:39 AM
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The Crumbling Dynasty is now in first place despite aging players and injuries. Le sigh.

Frayed Knot
May 13 2013 01:05 PM
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Mets – Willets Point wrote:
The Crumbling Dynasty is now in first place despite aging players and injuries. Le sigh.


Partly because of stuff like this - which I believe I predicted somewhere in this thread (at least for Wells)




---PAABHRBAOBASLG
Vernon Wells 201226224311.230.279.403
Vernon Wells 20131431329.295.343.530




---PAABHRBAOBASLG
Travis Hafner 201226321912.228.346.438
Travis Hafner 2013111936.269.387.527


Wells is 34, Hafner 36
Totals do not include the results from this afternoon's 1-0 loss to Cleveland (rain-out make-up)

Swan Swan H
May 15 2013 07:40 PM
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Yankee castoff Raul Ibanez returns to the Bronx, hits a homer last night and a grand slam and a 2-run shot tonight. Phil Hughes torched for 7 ER in 2/3 of an inning, and the Mariners are cruising 12-2, which is enough of a lead to entrust to Oliver Perez.

Tomorrow's Snooze headline - Phil Used? Phil Hughes-less?

Ceetar
May 16 2013 07:18 AM
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Perez hasn't allowed an inherited runner to score yet and is 1.17 ERA over 15.1 innings and a K/9 rate of 11.74. He's allowed 8 hits, (2 HR) and 8 BB +2 IBB over that time.

Everyone should've seen this coming. His velocity is back and he's back to the strike 'em out, or walk 'em, but you're probably not hitting it Perez we know and love.

Whatever happened to those two can't miss pitching aces the Yankees were developing?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 16 2013 08:34 AM
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One of them got shifted to the bullpen recently. Betances or Banuelos, not sure which.

bmfc1
May 21 2013 09:31 AM
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If you don't dislike soccer, or a team in the MLS, now you will:

Major League Soccer has told everyone for two years that a second team in New York City would be the league’s 20th franchise – and the determined drive to make that happen didn’t always sit well with fans or media, many of whom wondered if expanding the league’s national footprint wasn’t the more prudent path.

After all, wasn’t there already a team in New York?

But maybe the masses didn’t understand the powerhouse ownership group being assembled.

Major League Soccer today announced that English Premier League club Manchester City, a recently fortified club now flush with oil money, and Major League Baseball’s powerful and influential New York Yankees will own and operate the league’s newest expansion club.

Branded as New York City Football Club (NYCFC), the league’s 20thy club is expected to kick its first ball in 2015.

“We proudly welcome two of the most prestigious professional global sports organizations to Major League Soccer,” MLS commissioner Don Garber said in a statement issued this morning. “This is a transformational development that will elevate the league to new heights in this country. The New York area is home to more than 19 million people, and we look forward to an intense crosstown rivalry between New York City Football Club and the New York Red Bulls that will captivate this great city.”

Assuming NYCFC does get going by 2015, the league’s 20th club will require an interim venue, pending a permanent home.

Major League Soccer had attempted to get ahead in the game, working for more than two years to secure land and develop a facility within the city, helping distinguish this club from the New York Red Bulls, who have been with the league since its inaugural 1996 season but has always played in New Jersey. But the land and facility discussions long under way with community and business leaders in Flushing Meadows Corona Park in Queens remain bogged down. That leaves MLS officials continuing to search for suitable sites.


http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2013 ... m/related/ (emphasis added.)

Frayed Knot
May 24 2013 08:47 PM
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Curtis Granderson, just back from a broken wrist off a HBP in spring training, got hit by a pitch tonight and sustained a broken pinkie finger.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 24 2013 08:55 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Curtis Granderson, just back from a broken wrist off a HBP in spring training, got hit by a pitch tonight and sustained a broken pinkie finger.




Cash and these 'mos won't even shell out for decent calcium anymore-- the Boss would be rolling over... ROLLING OVER.

[Checks Facebook for 17th time during game]

[Notices quiet guy with Red Sox hat three rows in front of him]

[Starts "BOS-TON FAG-GOT" chant, to cheer himself up]

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 25 2013 06:09 AM
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themetfairy
May 25 2013 09:23 AM
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batmagadanleadoff
May 26 2013 12:53 AM
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Some crumbling.

Mets – Willets Point
May 26 2013 08:18 AM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:


It's like if you cast a movie looking for "stereotypical, obnoxious Yankees fans" and saw these guys you'd say "no way, too over the top, they can't be for real."

Frayed Knot
May 26 2013 09:18 AM
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During the little 'Chat with Alex' on Jeopardy a couple days back, the defending champ's little story involved him being a "totally superstitious" Yankme fan (from Florida of course) to the point of watching games with the sound muted most of the time. When pressed by Alex as to why that developed, he said because in post-season and other network games the announcers are often biased against the Yanx which makes it hard for him to listen.
Needless to say I rooted against him for the remainder of that show.
He lost.



It's like if you cast a movie looking for "stereotypical, obnoxious Yankees fans" and saw these guys you'd say "no way, too over the top, they can't be for real."


I said the same thing about the cast of 'Jersey Shore'.

MFS62
May 26 2013 09:35 AM
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Don't know if this was noted in another thread-From ESPNNew York:
The Mets will honor retiring Yankees closer Mariano Rivera before Tuesday's game at Citi Field, a team official told ESPNNewYork.com.

Teams have been honoring Rivera during his final season as he visits their stadiums for the last time during the regular season. He has been presented with checks for his charity as well as gifts. Rivera has also met with fans and team employees during his stops, sharing experiences and stories.

Last season, the Mets gave retired Braves third baseman Chipper Jones artwork as part of his farewell tour.



Insert appropriate barfing emoticon here.

Later

Benjamin Grimm
May 26 2013 07:06 PM
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They should give him an insulated suit so that he can safely swim in his pool.

G-Fafif
May 31 2013 01:08 AM
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“It's hard when you lose to your crosstown rivals. Do you really want to be part of the team that gets swept by your crosstown rivals?’’
--Joe Girardi, who would know, May 30, 2013

Edgy MD
May 31 2013 05:51 AM
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Almost sounds like a resignation.

Frayed Knot
May 31 2013 06:56 AM
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The 'replacement Yanx magic' thing only worked for so long

April: .261/.330/.432 // 766
May: .232/.283/.378 // 661

MFS62
May 31 2013 08:40 AM
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Mets – Willets Point wrote:
John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:


It's like if you cast a movie looking for "stereotypical, obnoxious Yankees fans" and saw these guys you'd say "no way, too over the top, they can't be for real."

Primordial sludge, scraped up from the bottom of the gene pool.

Later

Edgy MD
May 31 2013 09:00 AM
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The funny thing is I focused so much on Johnny Interfero's gesticulations that I missed (1) Big "Champions" guy behind him screaming what appear to be the words "Fuck you! Fuck you, Roy!" and (2) mooks on both Johnny's left and right patiently explaining to their only semi-initiated (a) female companion and (b) child that it's actually awesome that they're behaving like a hateful mook mob, that it's some sort of privilege that comes with the ticket.

Edgy MD
May 31 2013 09:03 AM
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Green shirt kid. Also has a dad initiating him.

Benjamin Grimm
May 31 2013 09:05 AM
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What's the story behind this? What are they reacting to?

Edgy MD
May 31 2013 09:12 AM
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Well, we have some clues.

[list:1tly7lw5][*:1tly7lw5]It was an ALCS.[/*:m:1tly7lw5]
[*:1tly7lw5]It was Game Four at YSIII (or II, I dunno)[/*:m:1tly7lw5]
[*:1tly7lw5]Against the Rangers.[/*:m:1tly7lw5]
[*:1tly7lw5]It was a scoreless tie with one out in the second.[/*:m:1tly7lw5]
[*:1tly7lw5]It involved somebody named Roy. Somebody hateful, I would expect.[/*:m:1tly7lw5][/list:u:1tly7lw5]

Edgy MD
May 31 2013 09:18 AM
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2010:

[list]Bottom of the 2nd, Yankees Batting, Tied 0-0, Rangers' Tommy Hunter facing 4-5-6
b2 0-0 0 --- 7,(3-2) O NYY A. Rodriguez T. Hunter 2% 47% Flyball: CF
b2 0-0 1 --- 2,(0-1) R NYY R. Cano T. Hunter -11% 37% Home Run (Fly Ball)
b2 1-0 1 --- 6,(1-2) O NYY N. Swisher T. Hunter 1% 38% Strikeout Swinging
b2 1-0 2 --- 8,(3-2) O NYY L. Berkman T. Hunter 1% 39% Strikeout Looking
1 run, 1 hit, 0 errors, 0 LOB. Rangers 0, Yankees 1.[/list:u]

I think Gesticulo the Great grabbed a ball hit by Cano that the rightfielder thought he still had a play on. The occupants of the seats are all like "Tough luck, Fucko."

The Yankees would lose 10-3. And these folks had to go home and live with themsleves.

Frayed Knot
May 31 2013 09:21 AM
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What's the story behind this? What are they reacting to?


IIRC it was one of those 315-ft YS HR specials that the Texas RFer nearly caught and so the mooks are both celebrating the MFY run and mocking the guy from whom they stole the catch.


oe: beaten to the punch

Benjamin Grimm
May 31 2013 09:26 AM
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Interesting! Thanks!

(Who's Roy? Was he the outfielder?)

Frayed Knot
May 31 2013 09:29 AM
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Looks like the RF was Nelson Cruz

Edgy MD
May 31 2013 10:02 AM
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You have way too much faith in my lipreading. But I sure hope he didn't say "Boy."

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jun 13 2013 07:11 PM
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MFYs in the 18th NOW!!!!, A's have bases loaded off Mariano (entered with 1 on, bloop single, now Intentional walk). 1 out.

Freeman guy for Oakland uses same aB music as Muffy.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jun 13 2013 07:12 PM
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Game over!!!! as A's sweep.

G-Fafif
Jun 13 2013 07:15 PM
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Lordy, that was sweet.

Frayed Knot
Jun 13 2013 07:16 PM
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Yanx just lost in the 18th inning.
Their relievers had been holding Oakland down for most of the time I was watching (the extras) as the MFYs were getting the better of the chances - but then the A's got a runner on w/1 out in the 18th so they Girardi opted to bring in Rivera. Two batters and two hits later it was over.
Nate Freiman is your local hero in the east bay tonight.

Middle of the Yanx lineup: Hafner, Youkilis, Teixeira, et al were like 0 for 28 or something.

Ceetar
Jun 13 2013 07:18 PM
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same runs/game as the Mets. (It's the pitching, and some bunching/timing/luck that's the difference in the records)

ineptitude! I love it.

duan
Jun 14 2013 02:54 AM
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NY Yankees AB R H RBI BB SO LOB AVG
Gardner, B, CF 6 1 2 0 2 1 1 .284
Nix, J, SS 5 0 1 0 0 1 3 .249
a-Overbay, PH 1 0 0 0 0 0 2 .245
Brignac, SS 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .205
Cano, 2B 6 1 3 2 2 0 1 .282
Teixeira, 1B 5 0 0 0 2 3 4 .163
Hafner, DH 8 0 0 0 0 3 7 .220
Youkilis, 3B 7 0 0 0 1 3 6 .219
Wells, V, LF 8 0 0 0 0 3 3 .229
Suzuki, I, RF 7 0 3 0 0 0 1 .264
Stewart, C, C 6 0 1 0 0 1 2 .275
Totals 60 2 10 2 7 15 30 .242

that's a very metsesque box score. Notice the particular "two guys doing ok, but separated by 5/4 lineup spots so that it doesn't have any impact " That seems to have been our speciality.

metirish
Jun 14 2013 06:19 AM
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Tuned in to YES for the last licks on this, great stuff.

Seriously, the A's are 41-27, amazing.

Frayed Knot
Jun 14 2013 06:47 AM
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duan wrote:
that's a very metsesque box score. Notice the particular "two guys doing ok, but separated by 5/4 lineup spots so that it doesn't have any impact " That seems to have been our speciality.


The Yanx main problem--not just yesterday but over the last six weeks or so--is that their 'April surprises', the veteran fill-ins for the injured troops, have come back down to earth after their hot starts. I guess that whole thing about the uniform making you play better has a limited shelf life.
Vernon Wells BA: April - .300; May - .221; June - .095
Travis Hafner BA: April - .318; May - .179; June - .114

And even the guys who have come back haven't helped much; Teixeira is giving them less than what Overbay did, and Granderson only seems to be playing sparingly since his re-return.

Ceetar
Jun 14 2013 07:14 AM
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oh, well hello Out of the Playoff Picture.

Edgy MD
Jun 14 2013 07:49 AM
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Offense seems down. I wonder how hard it is for many teams to see their situation in context. How many of my guys are hopeless and how many aren't really doing that much worse relative to the leaguewide trends?

I remember once reading an essay (probably by Bill James) taking Mickey Mantle to task for retiring after hitting .237 at the age of 36, not realizing that his full line of .237 / .385 / .398 // .782 was absolutely nothing to sneeze at in 1968.

Lucas Duda may be our 36-year-old Mickey Mantle. He may be told he's the problem, and feel like the problem, but the real problem is surrounding him with Horace Clarkes and Tom Treshes in the lineup.

Chad Ochoseis
Jun 15 2013 12:26 PM
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Frayed Knot
Jun 24 2013 06:25 AM
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Yanx sitting at 7 games above .500 after splitting a four-game series with the Rays. They've been as high as +12 and no lower than +6 since that high point.
But they're also sitting right now at -1 in RS/RA and have been around that break-even mark for a while, while virtually all of their above-.500 record dates from the early part of the season:
April = 16-10
May = 15-13
June = 10-11

With a division that's entirely over .500 at this point (Blue Jays currently in last place at 38-36) hanging near or even slightly above the break-even point isn't going to guarantee you of anything and, even assuming they can maintain this pace, six games above sounds a lot better in June than it does in September. IOW, they're going to have to either keep up their pythagorean magic for the next 85 games or the infusion they're counting on from their aging wounded is going to need to be a reality rather than just a hope.

Mets – Willets Point
Jun 24 2013 07:10 AM
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Yanx sitting at 7 games above .500 after splitting a four-game series with the Rays. They've been as high as +12 and no lower than +6 since that high point.
But they're also sitting right now at -1 in RS/RA and have been around that break-even mark for a while, while virtually all of their above-.500 record dates from the early part of the season:
April = 16-10
May = 15-13
June = 10-11

With a division that's entirely over .500 at this point (Blue Jays currently in last place at 38-36) hanging near or even slightly above the break-even point isn't going to guarantee you of anything and, even assuming they can maintain this pace, six games above sounds a lot better in June than it does in September. IOW, they're going to have to either keep up their pythagorean magic for the next 85 games or the infusion they're counting on from their aging wounded is going to need to be a reality rather than just a hope.


Oh boy, is this great!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jun 24 2013 07:21 AM
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Snooze's back-page scoop all about A-Rod's forthcoming return. That's going to be a disaster too.

Ceetar
Jun 24 2013 07:31 AM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Snooze's back-page scoop all about A-Rod's forthcoming return. That's going to be a disaster too.


PR disaster, but it's almost definitely going to help them, perhaps too much.

But even if they keep up this 'pace' they're not in the playoff picture.

Edgy MD
Jun 24 2013 07:59 AM
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It ain't going to help them if Robinson Cano ends up on the same back page.

metsmarathon
Jun 24 2013 02:24 PM
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i'm rooting for arod to have a thoroughly bonkers-good 2nd half, and for the mfys to fail to make the playoffs for other reasons. maybe they'll even offer him an extension!

the result of this will be that the mfy will be convinced that he will be a part of hte solution moving forward, and also this will thoroughly confuse the soulless mfy-faithful.

Ashie62
Jun 24 2013 10:13 PM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 25 2013 08:16 AM

The Mets will have a better 2nd half than the MFY's

Mets – Willets Point
Jun 25 2013 07:44 AM
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Ashie62 wrote:
The Mets will hve a better 2nd half than the MFY's


From your mouth ...

Ashie62
Jun 25 2013 08:17 AM
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It kinda looks like MLB jumped the shark on Biogenesis so...

I hope Arod hits .310 with 25 hrs and 70 rbis just to screw things up more for next season..

Ceetar
Jun 25 2013 03:15 PM
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KYLIGHT IN OPEN OFFICE /DEN 3 LARGE BRIGHT BEDROOMS,1.5 BATHS, COMPLETELY YANKEETIZED REC ROOM IN THE BASEMENT,SEPARATE LAUNDRY AND OODLES OF CLOSETS.


NOT A SELLING POINT

Edgy MD
Jun 26 2013 07:52 AM
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A-Rod vs. the Paratrooper. Twitter catfight.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jun 26 2013 08:26 AM
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I don't get it.

Is Cashman saying saying Arod was lying, or does he feel as though Arod's forthcomingness prevents the Yankees from lying?

Ceetar
Jun 26 2013 08:30 AM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
I don't get it.

Is Cashman saying saying Arod was lying, or does he feel as though Arod's forthcomingness prevents the Yankees from lying?


Saying the first, meaning the second.

MFS62
Jun 26 2013 08:37 AM
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There have been a lot of things A-Rod has done to confirm that he is not too bright. And I think he keeps trying to put those things behind him. And he could do that by performing well for the MFYs and getting some cheers from the fans.
So I chalk this one up to being happy that he was told he finally will be able to start playing soon, and wanting to let his fans know that. If anything it was an error of enthusiasm.
Maybe it was premature, but Cashman wayyyyy over reacted.

Later

Ceetar
Jun 26 2013 08:29 PM
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Frayed Knot
Jun 26 2013 08:36 PM
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Yanx game ends two outs ahead of ours - yet started a full hour earlier.
8-5 Texas was your final.


Meanwhile, it. looks like Teixeira is going to have season-ending surgery on his wrist.

Edgy MD
Jun 26 2013 08:59 PM
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Think they like Satin?

Frayed Knot
Jun 26 2013 09:08 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Think they like Satin?


Well I think they'd like a RH-hitting complement to Overbay, so maybe.

Edgy MD
Jun 27 2013 07:28 AM
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MFS62 wrote:
There have been a lot of things A-Rod has done to confirm that he is not too bright. And I think he keeps trying to put those things behind him. And he could do that by performing well for the MFYs and getting some cheers from the fans.
So I chalk this one up to being happy that he was told he finally will be able to start playing soon, and wanting to let his fans know that. If anything it was an error of enthusiasm.
Maybe it was premature, but Cashman wayyyyy over reacted.

Later

There really is nothing innocent about it. There are tens of millions at stake if he gets back on the field --- perhaps hundreds. He opened up his Twitter account two weeks ago, and there's no purpose to it (because almost everybody in the world dislikes him) except to undermine the Yankees' position that he's not ready. To essentially put out his own independent statements without calling a press conference.

Alex Rodriguez's contract is essentially the worthless warehouse the Yankees are trying to burn down for the insurance money. And he's calling them on it.

Frayed Knot
Jun 27 2013 08:11 AM
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I dunno, I can see where ARod simply got all giddy at good news from his doctor and decided it was something worth tweeting about.
The Yanx, in turn, are saying; "not so fast there cabana boy, WE decide when you're ready to proceed, not some doctor. And further more WE'LL do the announcin' 'round here ... and donnnnnn you forget it"
Cashman has already apologized for the language even if not for the message itself.

The team, remember, isn't too crazy about getting him back on the field, particularly if they think there's some money-saving suspension coming down the pike. Plus they don't seem too happy with all these new-fangled twitter devices that detract from the team's ability to control all output. Mgmt has already banned players from accepting paid radio spots and the like (not commercials but say weekly appearances that players get paid for) and Yanqui players have long been extremely UNavailable for even the occasional non-paying show. This incident, even if a bit less subtle than their usual, just seems like more of the same.

Swan Swan H
Jun 28 2013 07:48 PM
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Sabathia gakked up a 3-0 lead, and now Joba the Gut is trying to keep it to a 4-3 Orioles lead. With CC and Joba pitching the game has been delayed twice as the ground crew keeps coming out to build up the flattened pitcher's mound.

Frayed Knot
Jun 29 2013 06:21 PM
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Orioles hanging up a nine-spot on the Yanx.
But don't worry, they're almost to the 4th inning.

Swan Swan H
Jun 29 2013 08:14 PM
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11-3 final. This drops them to just four over .500. They're in third, 5.5 out in the division, and in fourth place, 3 out in the wild card race. They are the only team in the AL East with a negative run differential, and last place in the division seems to be just days away.

Boston 49 34 .590 -
Baltimore 46 36 .561 2.5
NY Yankees 42 38 .525 5.5
Tampa Bay 41 39 .513 6.5
Toronto 40 40 .500 7.5

G-Fafif
Jun 29 2013 09:06 PM
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Tampa Bay up to 42-39, putting on more pressure.

Three division leaders and three second-place teams in the American League all have better records than the MFYs. For at least a day or two, the vigil devoted to keeping them out of a playoff spot can be taken off high alert.

Not that vigilance isn't paramount at all times. But in "if the season ended today..." terms, theirs would actually be over the day after tomorrow, too.

Frayed Knot
Jun 30 2013 09:44 PM
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4th place following tonight's loss to Baltimore -- and, yes, one more HR for Chris Davis (31) and another double for Manny Machado (38 -- ML record is 67)

And just as I was complaining about the back end of the Mets lineup, compared to what's going on in the Bronx, ours suddenly doesn't look so bad.
On account of the number of relievers they feel they need to carry, the Yanx bench currently consists of only three guys. Tonight that meant:
Vernon Wells: .185/.206/.275 since May 1st
backup catcher Austin Romine: .145/.159/.194
and IF Alberto Gonzalez: .143/.143/.143 (21 ABs)

seawolf17
Jul 01 2013 07:49 AM
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lolyankees

Frayed Knot
Jul 01 2013 07:10 PM
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ARod, it was announced today, is set to begin rehab starts.
It's a good thing that Cashman was so adamant that ARod "Shut the Fuck Up" last week otherwise the news that his rehab was to begin might have become public knowledge several days too early and if that happened the terrorist would be winning ... or something like that.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 01 2013 09:48 PM
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Leave it to the Twins to provide the MFYs with a break in their routine. No club bends over for the MFYs quite like Minnesota.

Edgy MD
Jul 02 2013 06:07 AM
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Well, they have to get it out of the way now. They won't get a chance to fold for the Yankees in October.

metirish
Jul 02 2013 06:53 AM
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Attendance down, YES ratings way down...good stuff

Through 41 home games this season, the Yankees have drawn nearly 106,000 fewer fans than at this point a year ago, a 6.1 percent drop that is almost twice as large as the overall decline in baseball. More than half a dozen other teams have had bigger attendance losses than the Yankees, but without exception they are teams that went from good to bad, at least for a while, or from bad to worse, or that play in cities without a notably intense fan base.

The Yankees do not fit in any of those categories, which makes their attendance falloff more intriguing. And while they also experienced a decrease in attendance the last two years, the one this season is more pronounced.

Even more sobering for the team: the television ratings for their games have plummeted. Through June 25, the ratings on their YES Network were down 40 percent to 2.52 from 4.17 at this point last season, and from 4.08, 4.50 and 4.72 in the three previous seasons, with each rating point this year representing 73,843 households.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/02/sport ... gewanted=1

Frayed Knot
Jul 02 2013 07:06 AM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 02 2013 07:07 AM

It was always funny throughout their non-winning years in the 2000s when Yanqui fans were longing for the "good old days" of the 1990s, for the team they claimed to like much better on account of it being before the FA buying binge when they had all those home-grown players.

Only problem with that logic was that attendance during that time was about half what it would be a decade later [1996 = 2,250K vs 2006 = 4,250K]. IOW, whether they want to admit to it or not, Yanqui fans showed up A LOT more when they stacked the team with outside "name" players and the fact that, despite a string of injuries which has forced the team into doing exactly what many fans claim they wanted all along -- "Bring up the kids"!! -- both attendance and apparently TV ratings are now dropping as a result.

metsmarathon
Jul 02 2013 07:06 AM
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in other words, yankee fans are simpering frontrunners who don't give a shit about their team unless the big stars are there to make them feel safe and secure bathed in their reflected greatness, assured of present and future victory. these fans lack the moral courage and inner strength to expose themselves to a situation where their team - the team whose success tehy require in order to feel themselves like successes - might not win. they simply cannot risk it. for if the yankees should lose, then what are they, the yankee fans? clearly they would be worthless. no, it is better for the fragile yankee fan to avoid the issue of yankee mortality altogether. for in denial there is safety. and if you can plausibly deny the frailty of the yankees, then you may still claim their inulnerability unto yourself.

Frayed Knot
Jul 02 2013 07:10 AM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 02 2013 07:14 AM

marathon and I post near identical rants simultaneously (only his was nastier and better).
Bottom line is, what the YLDBs have found out, to their great surprise and dismay, is that "the kids" all turned out to be 26 year olds who hit .210 or have near 5.00 ERAs

Ceetar
Jul 02 2013 07:11 AM
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Just look up the attendance jump after they signed A-Rod. Front runners, all of 'em.

The YES ratings are more interesting I think, than the attendance. Clearly scalpers bought a billion tickets to the place, just like they did at Citi Field. The Mets lost faster and became less of a draw faster, so they already suffered through the scalpers giving up their season ticket packages because it wasn't profitable, and with the Yankees fighting the secondary market harder than the team is fighting to stay above .500, it becomes less and less worth it.

Edgy MD
Jul 02 2013 07:33 AM
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Well, they didn't sign A-Rod, but traded for him. Unless you mean when they re-signed him.

This is an excellent time --- and by excellent, I mean "very informative for both the Mets and Yankees and everybody" --- to compare sales with actual attendance. The decline in butts is the real story, and like YES ratings, is a more immediate guage of the marketability.

If attendance is down 6% now, September might be mortifying, depending on whether they are able to pour Jeter back into his uniform.

Man, they are going to hammer the last-chance-to-see-Rivera angle, aren't they?

MFS62
Jul 02 2013 07:50 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Man, they are going to hammer the last-chance-to-see-Rivera angle, aren't they?

I hope that means they will have to bring him into a lot of games when they're losing.

Later

Frayed Knot
Jul 02 2013 07:51 AM
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Rivera pitched the 9th last night despite a six-run lead on account of their recent losing ways not getting him enough work.

Swan Swan H
Jul 02 2013 06:29 PM
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Alex Rodriguez first rehab game - 2 AB, 1 K, 1 GIDP.

Tonight's episode of Small Sample Size Theatre is brought to you by Tic Tac, the 1½ Calorie Breath Mint.

bmfc1
Jul 04 2013 01:23 PM
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I have to say something good about the MFYs: per this article, http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/04/arts/ ... ref=sports
they limit their Anthem singers to 90 seconds.
The Yankees, ever traditionalists, still use the opera star Robert Merrill’s venerable recording for many games. When the team does invite a singer to perform, it favors hiring Broadway stars with impeccable technique, a marketing strategy that dovetails with the interests of the theater district. Yankees officials insist on a hidebound, 90-second rendition with no accompaniment.

“It isn’t just a random talent show,” said Deborah A. Tymon, the Yankees’ senior vice president for marketing.

Of course, they do it because they're pretentious and for the moment, we'll ignore how long it takes for the daily rendering of "God Bless America" but a 90 second limit on the Anthem sounds good to me.

Mets – Willets Point
Jul 04 2013 09:30 PM
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I can do it in 60 seconds easy.

Swan Swan H
Jul 05 2013 07:58 PM
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The Orioles had a 2-1 lead going to the bottom of the ninth, then Jim Johnson, Professional Closer gave up a single, made an error, and then after a bunt intentionally walked Cano, walked Hafner on four pitches to tie it, then surrendered Vernon Wells' first hit since Memorial Day to lose it. Bleah.

Frayed Knot
Jul 06 2013 09:30 AM
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Speaking of Hafner, there's a guy who deserves a 50 game suspension. Not for PEDs (although maybe he does those too) but for constant delay of game.

I was flipping over to the Yanx game every once in a while last night including during one of his ABs. And after Every. Single. Pitch. he first smoothes the dirt in the box with his feet; then leaves and walks towards the 1B dugout until he gets to the outermost edge of the dirt circle some 20 feet away; at this point he takes a couple of practice swings, stretches a bit, spits once or twice, then slowly walks back towards the plate where of course the dirt needs smoothing again. Only then is his ready to dig his feet in allow the pitcher the honor of throwing the next pitch.

The Mets/Brewes game must have gone through two or three batters in the time Hafner's AB alone took. And I know it wasn't just this one time because I've seen him do this before.

Ceetar
Jul 06 2013 09:59 AM
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Frayed Knot wrote:

The Mets/Brewes game must have gone through two or three batters in the time Hafner's AB alone took. And I know it wasn't just this one time because I've seen him do this before.


Can't someone appeal that he's taking more than the 12 alloted seconds or whatever? He didn't ask for time so if the pitcher constantly makes to deliver..

seems like something Bobby Valentine would do actually.

Frayed Knot
Jul 06 2013 02:20 PM
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The 12-second rule is supposed to be for pitchers with the bases empty - so none of that would apply here.
What should apply is the rule --suggestion is more like it-- that batters are supposed to keep at least one foot in the box. That gives them the ability to hold back the pitchers pace if he's going too fast for them but without taking a stroll in between each pitch.

Problem is that only some of this is even codified in the rule book and even the parts that are aren't enforced.
The players and managers object to being held to strict limits which is why half of this stuff are merely suggestions or "guidelines" and not hard and fast rules. The umps don't want to enforce anything because it puts them in the spot of being the bad guys. And because these aren't really rules there aren't really penalties for the umps to hand out even if they wanted to call something.

There are goofy things in the rule book covering if say a batter refuses to step into the box (like if he's still steaming about the last call and won't shut up). In that case the ump has the power to tell the pitcher to deliver the pitch and he will call it a strike even if it flies to the backstop. But when was the last time anyone saw that called (I never have) and that's not what's happening here anyway. Hafner isn't refusing to get in the box, he's just not being asked to get there in the first place because, again, the ump doesn't want to play the heavy trying to keep a batter from doing something he's been allowed to do every day for the last decade or more.

I timed two of Hafner's ABs today; he's taking about 30 seconds per pitch - and these are middle of the game, non-pressure situations, not 9th inning game-deciding ones that require extra prep work.

Ashie62
Jul 06 2013 03:18 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

The Twins have jumpstarted the MFY'S Crappo

MFS62
Jul 06 2013 04:20 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Frayed Knot wrote:
Speaking of Hafner, there's a guy who deserves a 50 game suspension. Not for PEDs (although maybe he does those too) but for constant delay of game.

I was flipping over to the Yanx game every once in a while last night including during one of his ABs. And after Every. Single. Pitch. he first smoothes the dirt in the box with his feet; then leaves and walks towards the 1B dugout until he gets to the outermost edge of the dirt circle some 20 feet away; at this point he takes a couple of practice swings, stretches a bit, spits once or twice, then slowly walks back towards the plate where of course the dirt needs smoothing again. Only then is his ready to dig his feet in allow the pitcher the honor of throwing the next pitch.

The Mets/Brewes game must have gone through two or three batters in the time Hafner's AB alone took. And I know it wasn't just this one time because I've seen him do this before.

All that, and he doesn't even resort to the old "adjust the batting gloves" routine?
How creative.
We can only imgine what Bob Gibson would have done if he'd tried that crap while Bob was pitching.
Later

Frayed Knot
Jul 06 2013 05:22 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

MFS62 wrote:
All that, and he doesn't even resort to the old "adjust the batting gloves" routine?


Actually, he does that too. I just forget to mention it.
Reminds of the Jim Bouton line about how if they just outlawed Velcro they'd shave 20 minutes off each game.

Swan Swan H
Jul 07 2013 01:57 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Adam Jones, American Hero.

Frayed Knot
Jul 07 2013 02:31 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Swan Swan H wrote:
Adam Jones, American Hero.


I especially like the part where that HR came in between innings of our game so I could be watching it at the time. Love it when that happens.
Also was nice of Johnson not to suck today right afterward.

Ceetar
Jul 07 2013 02:38 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Frayed Knot wrote:
Swan Swan H wrote:
Adam Jones, American Hero.


I especially like the part where that HR came in between innings of our game so I could be watching it at the time. Love it when that happens.
Also was nice of Johnson not to suck today right afterward.


lost a chance to get into third, maybe even second, and a wildcard spot. instead, stay in fourth.

bmfc1
Jul 08 2013 06:53 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Barf:
"Even a meltdown shows how special Mo is"
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/yankees/ ... z4C0zosOJN

Edgy MD
Jul 08 2013 07:14 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Here's to a second half filled with such special moments.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Jul 08 2013 07:57 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

He thinks it’s hard? Ask the rest of the men in his line of work how they would describe it. Ask Jim Johnson, the Orioles’ closer, who was about as perfect as you can be as a closer last year and this year has averaged close to one blown save every 10 days or so, even if he did mow down the Quadruple-A portion of the Yankees lineup yesterday. Ask the Mets, who are working on their eighth closer (at least) since Rivera started finishing games for the Yankees 16 years ago.


And the obligatory cheap shot at the Mets.

Franco, Benitez, Wagner, K-Rod, Francisco and Parnell. Am I missing anyone?

Edgy MD
Jul 08 2013 08:01 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

LOOPER!

Also like the cheap shot at Johnson. Sure you beat the Yankees, but they weren't really the Yankees. Yes, they were, Vaccaro.

Swan Swan H
Jul 08 2013 08:02 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

metsguyinmichigan wrote:
He thinks it’s hard? Ask the rest of the men in his line of work how they would describe it. Ask Jim Johnson, the Orioles’ closer, who was about as perfect as you can be as a closer last year and this year has averaged close to one blown save every 10 days or so, even if he did mow down the Quadruple-A portion of the Yankees lineup yesterday. Ask the Mets, who are working on their eighth closer (at least) since Rivera started finishing games for the Yankees 16 years ago.


And the obligatory cheap shot at the Mets.

Franco, Benitez, Wagner, K-Rod, Francisco and Parnell. Am I missing anyone?


Yeah, Looper. Putz, maybe.

metirish
Jul 08 2013 09:00 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

bmfc1 wrote:
Barf:
"Even a meltdown shows how special Mo is"
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/yankees/ ... z4C0zosOJN



WOW, that really is pathetic from Vaccaro .....

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jul 08 2013 12:48 PM
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Swan Swan H wrote:
metsguyinmichigan wrote:
He thinks it’s hard? Ask the rest of the men in his line of work how they would describe it. Ask Jim Johnson, the Orioles’ closer, who was about as perfect as you can be as a closer last year and this year has averaged close to one blown save every 10 days or so, even if he did mow down the Quadruple-A portion of the Yankees lineup yesterday. Ask the Mets, who are working on their eighth closer (at least) since Rivera started finishing games for the Yankees 16 years ago.


And the obligatory cheap shot at the Mets.

Franco, Benitez, Wagner, K-Rod, Francisco and Parnell. Am I missing anyone?


Yeah, Looper. Putz, maybe.


Takahashi. Ayala (ick).

Ceetar
Jul 08 2013 01:05 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
Swan Swan H wrote:
metsguyinmichigan wrote:
He thinks it’s hard? Ask the rest of the men in his line of work how they would describe it. Ask Jim Johnson, the Orioles’ closer, who was about as perfect as you can be as a closer last year and this year has averaged close to one blown save every 10 days or so, even if he did mow down the Quadruple-A portion of the Yankees lineup yesterday. Ask the Mets, who are working on their eighth closer (at least) since Rivera started finishing games for the Yankees 16 years ago.


And the obligatory cheap shot at the Mets.

Franco, Benitez, Wagner, K-Rod, Francisco and Parnell. Am I missing anyone?


Yeah, Looper. Putz, maybe.


Takahashi. Ayala (ick).


If you're gonna count those guys you have to count Soriano and Robertson and Ramiro Mendoza and Mike Stanton and Steve Karsay all who had more than 10.

Over that time frame, 1997+, the Yankees had 31 pitchers record a save and the Mets had 45. (side note, who the hell is Tony Borland?)

G-Fafif
Jul 08 2013 01:14 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Ceetar wrote:
(side note, who the hell is Tony Borland?)


Borland and Ricardo Jordan were the bounty obtained from the Phillies in the Rico Brogna trade. That it's not known as the Toby Borland/Ricardo Jordan trade tells you what you need to know about its success in fortifying the Mets bullpen. Borland's sole save was Jackie Robinson Night. Armando Reynoso went four, the game was put on pause for the "42" ceremonies and since they went so long (and the night was so cold), Bobby V sent Borland out in Reynoso's stead. The two combined on a shutout, with Toby getting the rare four-inning save.

And that was really it where he was concerned.

G-Fafif
Jul 08 2013 01:19 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Rivera blowing Sunday's save only lends credence to how deserving he is to start the All-Star Game for the American League and then play an inning at each position thereafter. He'll throw the game's final pitch from right field and strike out David Wright, allowing the gods to weep soft rain tears of joy. Rivera will treat the feat as if it is nothing, known he has taller mountains to climb October -- taller certainly that the best player his crosstown rivals have to offer...for even the Mets' best is but a speck on the legend that is Mariano Rivera.

Frayed Knot
Jul 08 2013 01:26 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Edgy MD wrote:
Here's to a second half filled with such special moments.


With the final one coming in the game which officially eliminates the Yanx from post-season contention, 'round about the second week in September.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Jul 08 2013 01:42 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

G-Fafif wrote:
Rivera blowing Sunday's save only lends credence to how deserving he is to start the All-Star Game for the American League and then play an inning at each position thereafter. He'll throw the game's final pitch from right field and strike out David Wright, allowing the gods to weep soft rain tears of joy. Rivera will treat the feat as if it is nothing, known he has taller mountains to climb October -- taller certainly that the best player his crosstown rivals have to offer...for even the Mets' best is but a speck on the legend that is Mariano Rivera.



Bad ass.

dinosaur jesus
Jul 08 2013 01:51 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Mariano Rivera is the god Zeus appearing in human form so as not to blind our eyes, and his cut fastball is a lightning bolt with which he strikes down the mortals who dare to step up to the plate against him. Or swim in his pool.

I could have said he was Ahura Mazda, but I think he drives an Acura.

Swan Swan H
Jul 08 2013 09:40 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

A 5-1 loss to the mighty Royals tonight. Phil Hughes had given up two in four innings when the rains came, and Girardi chose not to send him back out. Jeremy Guthrie did come back, but needed four relievers to wrap it up. Former Dixiecrat VP candidate Preston Claiborne gave up two late runs, and that was that. The only Yankee run came on a PH solo homer by Lyle Overbay, batting for the recently-removed-from-the-compost-heap Travis Ishikawa.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jul 08 2013 09:44 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Ah, yes... the poor man's Mientkiewicz.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 08 2013 10:10 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Swan Swan H wrote:
A 5-1 loss to the mighty Royals tonight. Phil Hughes had given up two in four innings when the rains came, and Girardi chose not to send him back out. Jeremy Guthrie did come back, but needed four relievers to wrap it up. Former Dixiecrat VP candidate Preston Claiborne gave up two late runs, and that was that. The only Yankee run came on a PH solo homer by Lyle Overbay, batting for the recently-removed-from-the-compost-heap Travis Ishikawa.


Best part was MFYs loaded the bases with 0 outs in the 9th before Greg Holland (no Mariano, he) struck out 3 straight to end it.

MFS62
Jul 09 2013 06:18 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
Ah, yes... the poor man's Mientkiewicz.

Wow!
Just ... wow!

Later

Mets – Willets Point
Jul 09 2013 07:22 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Looks like the Red Sox are starting their mandatory collapse to let the Yankees back in the race.

Frayed Knot
Jul 09 2013 08:04 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Mets – Willets Point wrote:
Looks like the Red Sox are starting their mandatory collapse to let the Yankees back in the race.


Even if they are (and it's probably a bit too early to declare it so) it's not like the old days when the AL East was strictly a two-team division with the Jays, Rays & O's playing the role of disinterested also-rans. Nor is the loser of the two guaranteed a WC berth thanks to the likes of Oakland, Cleveland, etc.

Mets – Willets Point
Jul 09 2013 09:19 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Yeah, I'm wishing that the AL East opponents would take advantage of the Yankees' struggles to hammer them out of competition, but somehow they're able to float just in the range of a wild card spot and even the AL East title.

Ceetar
Jul 09 2013 08:07 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

hilarious. they lose again. to the Royals. really squandered that six game winning streak by losing three in a row now. 2 back in the WC.

They came into today tied with the Phillies for 8th in least runs scored. Only .03 ahead of Pittsburgh.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 09 2013 08:55 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Always good to see the MFYs get a 9 inning CG from their starter and lose.

Frayed Knot
Jul 09 2013 09:27 PM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Always good to see the MFYs get a 9 inning CG from their starter and lose.


They almost did the same thing the other day when Nova was on the verge of losing a CG, but that was the game that Johnson decided to suck for the O's.
Either way, that's 3 runs over the last 27 innings for the Yanx offense. 1 run only in each of the last 3 games.

Frayed Knot
Jul 11 2013 11:36 AM
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Jeter already in mid-season form (and, why not?, it's mid-season) as he dribbled a 60-foot swinging bunt base-hit in his first AB of the year. He's starting but DH-ing in this afternoon's conclusion to the four-game series with the Royals.
Yanx hurler Andy Pettitte was so inspired by 'The Captain's' return that he coughed up a three-spot in the top of the 1st.

Swan Swan H
Jul 11 2013 11:45 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Frayed Knot wrote:
Jeter already in mid-season form (and, why not?, it's mid-season) as he dribbled a 60-foot swinging bunt base-hit in his first AB of the year. He's starting but DH-ing in this afternoon's conclusion to the four-game series with the Royals.
Yanx hurler Andy Pettitte was so inspired by 'The Captain's' return that he coughed up a three-spot in the top of the 1st.


And so ends the Travis Ishikawa era in the Bronx. The Yankeeography will be on Tuesday, July 16 at 8 PM.

Swan Swan H
Jul 11 2013 02:17 PM
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No comment necessary.

Andy McCullough ?@McCulloughSL 4m

Jeter's right quad tightened up in the sixth, which caused his early exit. He'll get an MRI later.

Ceetar
Jul 11 2013 02:21 PM
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Jeter's return sparks Yankees to victory
By Bryan Hoch / MLB.com | 7/11/2013 4:01 PM ET


NEW YORK -- They rose by the thousands to cheer Derek Jeter as he ambled to home plate on Thursday, discarding the weight hugging his Louisville Slugger and digging in for his first big league at-bat in nearly nine months.

Wearing his pinstriped uniform with No. 2 stitched on the back, the Captain was finally back on familiar turf. As general manager Brian Cashman put it, "Everyone knows this is where he needs to be."

Jeter jumped on the first pitch he saw this season for an infield single and the Yankees did plenty more damage of their own later on, rallying from behind to post an 8-4 victory over the Royals at Yankee Stadium.

Reinstated from the 60-day disabled list before the game, the 39-year-old Jeter went 1-for-4 with a run and an RBI, serving as the designated hitter in his first contest since fracturing his left ankle in Game 1 of last year's American League Championship Series.

Legging out an infield hit that was fumbled by third baseman Miguel Tejada, Jeter smiled broadly after scoring the Yanks' first run on Vernon Wells' sacrifice fly and later contributed an RBI groundout, but he played a supporting role as the Yankees fought to take Andy Pettitte off the hook from a rough start.


Yes, real spark there. He reaches on what might've been an error, and later makes an out that happens to score a run.

Frayed Knot
Jul 11 2013 02:36 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

NEW YORK -- They rose by the thousands to cheer Derek Jeter as he ambled to home plate on Thursday, discarding the weight hugging his Louisville Slugger and digging in for his first big league at-bat in nearly nine months.

--- Not many thousands because that place was pretty damn empty.



Wearing his pinstriped uniform with No. 2 stitched on the back, the Captain was finally back on familiar turf. As general manager Brian Cashman put it, "Everyone knows this is where he needs to be."

--- Yup, everyone knows it ... except me. That's why I was able to hardball him and dare him to go elsewhere during his last contract negotiations.



Jeter jumped on the first pitch he saw this season for an infield single and the Yankees did plenty more damage of their own later on, rallying from behind to post an 8-4 victory over the Royals at Yankee Stadium.

--- The Yanx did indeed do plenty more damage. Jeter never got the ball out of the infield.



Legging out an infield hit that was fumbled by third baseman Miguel Tejada, ... and later contributed an RBI groundout, but he played a supporting role as the Yankees fought to take Andy Pettitte off the hook from a rough start.

--- His RBI was a grounder to SS with one out and the infield in. The only reason it produced a run was that the SS bobbled it and no longer had time to cut down the run at home.





And, look, this is all just small sample noise. The only reason I even brought it up was because it was the most obvious thing in the world that, no matter what actually happened, Jeter's return was going to be noted as a catalyst.

Ceetar
Jul 11 2013 02:41 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

in actuality, i'm kinda disappointed. I'd much rather Jeter play hurt and unready and mess with his career rate stats.

Actually, Jeter's got an $8 million option on next season. He can get it up to $17 by being elite, but it's unlikely.

What's the funnest option? Him just taking that option and playing out the string is boring. Does he decline, demand a new contract? do the Yankees give him one or is it more fun to see him bristle at their rejection and play elsewhere?

Ashie62
Jul 11 2013 05:46 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Life is abit more interesting with Jeter around.

MFS62
Jul 11 2013 09:28 PM
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The only reason I even brought it up was because it was the most obvious thing in the world that, no matter what actually happened, Jeter's return was going to be noted as a catalyst.

And the papers will be all over this.
They will say things like:
Look how many runs they scored. He DOES make everyone around him better.

And we will barf.

Later

Ashie62
Jul 11 2013 09:55 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Well, that comeback didn't last long..

bmfc1
Jul 12 2013 05:26 AM
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Barf:
Vaccaro headline: "Derek Jeter brings out Yankees’ best as he returns to team".

Barf:
Kay adds after his call of Jeter's single in his first AB of the season: "of course".

Swan Swan H
Jul 12 2013 01:51 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Jeter with a grade 1 quad strain, per everyone on Twitter except Richard Simmons and Sarah Palin. Out through the All-Star break, with the DL possible. I'm making my sad face right now. I promise.

Edgy MD
Jul 12 2013 01:54 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

So rushing him back before the All-Star break, with his rehab unfinished, and with zero complete games in the minors --- not looking bright.

metirish
Jul 12 2013 01:56 PM
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Swan Swan H wrote:
Jeter with a grade 1 quad strain, per everyone on Twitter except Richard Simmons and Sarah Palin. Out through the All-Star break, with the DL possible. I'm making my sad face right now. I promise.



This in some way really shows how human the Captain is.......oh the horror...

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 12 2013 01:59 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

They prolly wouldn't have done it except Gardner got hit in the ankle by a pitch and Hafner fouled a ball off his foot in the batting cage, both on Wednesday night. Of course Gardner wounmd up having to hit for Jeeets.

Swan Swan H
Jul 12 2013 02:02 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
They prolly wouldn't have done it except Gardner got hit in the ankle by a pitch and Hafner fouled a ball off his foot in the batting cage, both on Wednesday night. Of course Gardner wounmd up having to hit for Jeeets.


Jeter says he wants to come back this season, if only to get a ball out of the infield.

Fman99
Jul 12 2013 02:13 PM
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SuperDouche Wallace Mathews on ESPN NY wrote:
NEW YORK -- Three months into the regular season, it finally felt as if there was a real Yankee game at Yankee Stadium.


Edgy MD
Jul 12 2013 02:14 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

You need to get through one more series before the All Star Break, and in so doing, you buy Jeter a week's worth of rehab and game action in the minors, after nine months off, and they couldn't manage in that time to go with some stooge off the waiver wire or a shmoe from AAA at DH?

Heck, they couldn't have blown minds by signing Manny Ramirez. Released him minutes after the All-Star Break. He'd probably hit like hell for a week just because.

Swan Swan H
Jul 12 2013 02:27 PM
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David Lennon reports that the tarp is on the field at Yankee Stadium, apparently to protect the infield from tears shed over Jeter's MRI results.

Mets – Willets Point
Jul 12 2013 02:28 PM
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I'd watch if they played Ramirez at shortstop.

Frayed Knot
Jul 12 2013 05:37 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
So rushing him back before the All-Star break, with his rehab unfinished, and with zero complete games in the minors --- not looking bright.


Especially since the Yanx have seven off days in a row starting today: three games against the Twins and then the four-day break.

MFS62
Jul 12 2013 08:34 PM
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Swan Swan H wrote:
David Lennon reports that the tarp is on the field at Yankee Stadium, apparently to protect the infield from tears shed over Jeter's MRI results.

Badass.

Later

Frayed Knot
Jul 13 2013 02:20 PM
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Twins actually won a game at YSIII this afternoon.
I believe the last time the Twinkies won a game in the Bronx the winning run was driven in by Zolio Versalles, but I may have to do a little more research on that one.

Mets – Willets Point
Jul 15 2013 08:54 AM
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Robinson Cano is not impressed.

Swan Swan H
Jul 15 2013 09:18 AM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Twins actually won a game at YSIII this afternoon.
I believe the last time the Twinkies won a game in the Bronx the winning run was driven in by Zolio Versalles, but I may have to do a little more research on that one.


Another one yesterday. Bob Allison had a big day at the plate, and the Yanks couldn't do much against Jim 'Mudcat' Grant.

Frayed Knot
Jul 19 2013 07:04 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

ARod--working on a streak of two HRs in two games at AA & AAA--claims he'll be back with the big club on Monday and, seeing as how we've so far heard no "Shut the Fuck Up" from Cashman, I guess it's true.

bmfc1
Jul 19 2013 08:16 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Jeter back to the DL. The DL becomes that much better with Jeter on it.

Swan Swan H
Jul 19 2013 09:04 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

bmfc1 wrote:
Jeter back to the DL. The DL becomes that much better with Jeter on it.


Nice.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 19 2013 09:06 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

bmfc1 wrote:
Jeter back to the DL. The DL becomes that much better with Jeter on it.


lol

metirish
Jul 19 2013 09:16 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

The beauty of that DL is people are blaming the MFY's for calling him up...

Centerfield
Jul 19 2013 09:48 AM
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bmfc1 wrote:
Jeter back to the DL. The DL becomes that much better with Jeter on it.


BoC.

Frayed Knot
Jul 19 2013 09:50 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

It's true though, as soon as Jeter went on the list every other person there was suddenly moved ahead of schedule in their rehabs.

Centerfield
Jul 19 2013 12:40 PM
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Mets – Willets Point wrote:
Robinson Cano is not impressed.



This is great. I hope that now Nunez will hesitate just a split second next time he wants to call off Cano allowing the ball to drop between them.

Swan Swan H
Jul 19 2013 12:43 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Centerfield wrote:
Mets – Willets Point wrote:
Robinson Cano is not impressed.


This is great. I hope that now Nunez will hesitate just a split second next time he wants to call off Cano allowing the ball to drop between them.


I wonder if he'd pull that on Jeter. I'd pay whatever they charge for a moatside seat to witness that live.

Frayed Knot
Jul 19 2013 02:41 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

btw, this weekend is somehow the first trip to Fenway for the Yanx this season. They've played two series in da Bronx including the opening series of the year.
Sox hold a 4-2 edge so far. Pettitte vs Doubront tonight.

But what this means is that 13 of their final 67 games (just 65 left for the Sawx) -- or just about 1 game in 5 -- are against each other, with 9 of those 13 in 'The Hub'. Needless to say, those games will have a significant impact on this season's fortunes for both clubs.

Sox start tonight with a 6.0 game lead over the 4th place Yanx who follow this up with a trip to Texas before hosting Tampa and then go right back out on the road.

Mets – Willets Point
Jul 19 2013 03:11 PM
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I'm hoping this weekend results in dashed dreams and crushed hopes for the Yankees.

Swan Swan H
Jul 19 2013 08:08 PM
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Brett Gardner was tossed from tonight's game for arguing balls and strikes. The Yankees, in their huge series against the Red Sox, currently have the following outfield:

LF - Alberto Gonzalez - 382 major league games, two in the outfield (both in right field). Lifetime OPS of .590.
CF - Ichiro Suzuki, age 52
RF - Brent Lillibridge, called up from the minors today. Has played 48 of his 305 major league games in RF, and has a lifetime .207 batting average.

What outfield?

Frayed Knot
Jul 19 2013 08:34 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Gardner took a called strike three at the bottom of the zone (the K-zone thing showed it as a strike) and immediately two-hand spiked the helmet right at the ump's feet.
He was tossed before the thing came down from the first bounce.



What outfield?


Quick, offer them Marlon Byrd for any three prospects of our choosing.

Farmer Ted
Jul 20 2013 10:24 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

From the crime and courts section of a local paper today:

Mickey C. Mantle, 39, 1165 Pine Creek Ave., six months county prison, $1,500, 75 hours community service for DUI.

Apparently he's somehow still at it.

Ashie62
Jul 21 2013 10:55 AM
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Arod not traveling with the MFYS to Texas

but to an MRI for a sore quad.

[url]http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/mlb/404575/alex-rodriguez-undergoing-mri-on-sore-quad

Zvon
Jul 21 2013 11:33 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Skankee catcher made a pretty amazin' play yesterday.

Frayed Knot
Jul 21 2013 11:36 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Zvon wrote:
Skankee catcher made a pretty amazin' play yesterday.


The BoSox ran into about four different outs on the basepaths yesterday - including twice at home.




btw, Yanx & Sawx were the FOX game on Saturday and are the ESPN Sunday Night game tonight ... what are the odds?!?!?

Edgy MD
Jul 21 2013 12:11 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Not for nothing, but is it clear he made that catch?

Frayed Knot
Jul 21 2013 12:17 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Yeah, he made it; there were several angles.

Frayed Knot
Jul 21 2013 07:02 PM
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Gee Sox, why don't you just hand them the fuckin' series?

On Saturday you ran into four outs on the basepaths including twice at home.
Today you've provided the Skanks with two walks, one HBP, plus two errors (including a sure DP turned into NO outs) all in just the first two innings!!

Swan Swan H
Jul 21 2013 07:22 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Napoli just hit one over the Monster, over the advertising signs on top of the Monster, over the bar across the street from the Monster, and over the T station across the street from the bar across the street from the Monster. 3-run homer, 4-3 Red Sox.

Frayed Knot
Jul 21 2013 07:30 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

That's 22 HRs off Sabathia this season - one off the league lead.

Swan Swan H
Jul 21 2013 07:53 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Wait... they didn't retire Nick Swisher's number?

Swan Swan H
Jul 21 2013 08:06 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Gomes just hit one off of CC that would have gone about as far as Napoli's, except it hit the light tower. The blimp pilot had a flashback and parachuted out onto Brookline Ave.

Frayed Knot
Jul 21 2013 10:58 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Mike Napoli, who had HR'd (see above) GiDP'd and K'd thrice, hits a solo HR in the 11th to finally put an end to this game at 8-7 Sawx ... and it didn't even take a full five hours to complete.

Napoli, btw, looks like he's on work release from the local state pen.
If I see him walking down the sidewalk I'm crossing to the other side of the street.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 22 2013 05:40 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

I went to bed on this one tied 7-7. This is the first Sox-MFYs game I've paid attention to all year and realized I didn't recognize half the Boston team. They all look like such dirtbags, even pretty boys like Victorino look like shit. And I know, only one game but they also play like shit and I'm predicting Tampa and/or Baltimore finish ahead of them.

Frayed Knot
Jul 22 2013 07:19 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

At least back in 2004 when they were all doing the hairy dirtbag look there was some individual style going on whether it be Damon's caveman look, Manny dreads, Pedro's jeri-curl, Arroyo's cornrows, designer facial hair, etc. This present team just looks like a bunch of guys just sprung from the joint with the beard-longer-than-hair look being the dominant "fashion" (Pedroia, Gomes, Napoli).



And I know, only one game but they also play like shit and I'm predicting Tampa and/or Baltimore finish ahead of them.


They (the Sox) are starting to have mounting pitching injuries too. That's why Tampa's sweep of Toronto and their 17 wins in their last 19 games has been so key. Of the non-East AL teams, only Texas is ahead of the Yanx in the WC race (and only two games) so it could be that we'll need two East teams to stay above the Yanx all year.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 22 2013 07:29 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Frayed Knot wrote:
Of the non-East AL teams, only Texas is ahead of the Yanx in the WC race (and only two games) so it could be that we'll need two East teams to stay above the Yanx all year.



I don't think that's going to be a problem at all. I mean, I suppose it's a tribute to how plucky they are that the MFYs are somehow hanging in there but I would be beyond shocked if they're any kind of factor as this thing winds down. I think the Mets have a better shot at the postseason, and will finish with a better record. Write it down.

Mets – Willets Point
Jul 22 2013 07:30 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

I fell asleep during the game only to be awoken by Napoli's walk-off homer. Not a bad way to be awoken, but seriously these Red Sox vs. Yankees games are long enough without adding in 8pm starts and extra innings to the mix. As sucky as they played last night, the Sox are the first team to 60 wins in MLB, so I wouldn't rule them out.

metirish
Jul 22 2013 07:31 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Mets – Willets Point wrote:
I fell asleep during the game only to be awoken by Napoli's walk-off homer. Not a bad way to be awoken, but seriously these Red Sox vs. Yankees games are long enough without adding in 8pm starts and extra innings to the mix. As sucky as they played last night, the Sox are the first team to 60 wins in MLB, so I wouldn't rule them out.




wow , 60 wins. Amazing that they totally changed on the fly last season and turned that ship right around.

dinosaur jesus
Jul 22 2013 09:19 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

metirish wrote:
Mets – Willets Point wrote:
I fell asleep during the game only to be awoken by Napoli's walk-off homer. Not a bad way to be awoken, but seriously these Red Sox vs. Yankees games are long enough without adding in 8pm starts and extra innings to the mix. As sucky as they played last night, the Sox are the first team to 60 wins in MLB, so I wouldn't rule them out.




Amazing that they totally changed on the fly last season and turned that ship right around.


So did the Yankees. Give them credit. They've got that ship headed right into a sandbar.

Edgy MD
Jul 22 2013 09:28 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Frayed Knot wrote:
Of the non-East AL teams, only Texas is ahead of the Yanx in the WC race (and only two games) so it could be that we'll need two East teams to stay above the Yanx all year.



I don't think that's going to be a problem at all. I mean, I suppose it's a tribute to how plucky they are that the MFYs are somehow hanging in there but I would be beyond shocked if they're any kind of factor as this thing winds down. I think the Mets have a better shot at the postseason, and will finish with a better record. Write it down.

The Yanks still have a chance at the BIG RESOUNDING REVITALIZING TRADETM.

MFS62
Jul 23 2013 08:14 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

As if on cue:
@JonHeymanCBS: #yankees are moving closer to acquiring alfonso soriano. george king 1st reported.

@JonHeymanCBS: Soriano would have to approve any trade as he has veto power.

Later

Mets – Willets Point
Jul 23 2013 08:24 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

MFS62 wrote:
As if on cue:
@JonHeymanCBS: #yankees are moving closer to acquiring alfonso soriano. george king 1st reported.

@JonHeymanCBS: Soriano would have to approve any trade as he has veto power.

Later


If Soriano is any good, he can be considered a career Yankee like Andy Pettite.

Edgy MD
Jul 23 2013 08:24 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Or Al Leiter.

metirish
Jul 23 2013 08:27 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

I hope they get him and are saddled with his $18 million contract owed next season......or that Sorryiano demands a contract extension....

metirish
Jul 23 2013 04:01 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Rodriguez looking at a lifetime ban according to sources

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/07/23/ ... -with-mlb/

Mets – Willets Point
Jul 23 2013 04:56 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

metirish wrote:
Rodriguez looking at a lifetime ban according to sources

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/07/23/ ... -with-mlb/


Seems excessive and unlikely.

Frayed Knot
Jul 23 2013 05:01 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Mets – Willets Point wrote:
Rodriguez looking at a lifetime ban according to sources

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/07/23/ ... -with-mlb/


Seems excessive and unlikely.



I agree. I suspect MLB will threaten along those lines before settling for something significant, but ultimately less.

metirish
Jul 23 2013 05:58 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

as long as the Yankees have to keep paying him .So yeah a lifetime ban would not be good.

Ceetar
Jul 23 2013 07:58 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Frayed Knot wrote:
Rodriguez looking at a lifetime ban according to sources

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/07/23/ ... -with-mlb/


Seems excessive and unlikely.



I agree. I suspect MLB will threaten along those lines before settling for something significant, but ultimately less.


A-Rod strikes me as the type of guy that will fight it tooth and nail to the last inch.

Swan Swan H
Jul 23 2013 08:13 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

The Yankees oh so carefully pile up a three run lead, and the Rangers swat it away like a fly. 4-3 Texas, top 7th,

Frayed Knot
Jul 23 2013 08:23 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Rodriguez looking at a lifetime ban according to sources

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/07/23/ ... -with-mlb/


Seems excessive and unlikely.



I agree. I suspect MLB will threaten along those lines before settling for something significant, but ultimately less.


A-Rod strikes me as the type of guy that will fight it tooth and nail to the last inch.


Maybe. But I think what's becoming apparent with the Braun case is that MLB has the goods here and accepting their terms of punishment, or some negotiated version of it, could be the wiser move here. The union will back the players of course but they don't sound whole-heartedly into it and could very well recommend against. Plus a hearing runs the risk of getting the details out in public. Better to accept the medicine and keep the specifics private.

Stories were leaking out today that what they've got on ARod is "well beyond" what they had on Braun and Braun is technically only a first-time offender. Also reports about ARod actively trying to hinder MLB's investigation (lying?, bribing? hiding evidence?) which won't sit well with the league office.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 23 2013 09:14 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Swan Swan H wrote:
The Yankees oh so carefully pile up a three run lead, and the Rangers swat it away like a fly. 4-3 Texas, top 7th,


Blew a lead with 2 out in the 9th, MFYs win 5-4.

Mets – Willets Point
Jul 23 2013 09:57 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

I guess what makes it plausible is that the commissioner's office may want to make a big Kennesaw Mountain Landis statement against PED by banning one of the best (and highest paid) players in the game. That Arod is generally disliked even by the fans of the team he plays on means that they could do it without too much blowback from the fans.

I still think a lifetime ban would be extreme for PED use. I'm not aware of any player ever being banned for life for anything other than throwing or betting on games (Or, you know, being black).

Edgy MD
Jul 23 2013 10:04 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Basketball used to have a lifetime ban for recidivist drug abusers, but it was in name only, as they were still allowed to apply for reinstatement after a year. I guess a similar case is the lifetime ban George Steinbrenner got.

metirish
Jul 24 2013 06:17 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 24 2013 07:05 AM

Heard on 1010 WINS thins morning that Rodriguez is not seeking a deal and will as posted above fight this to the end....MLB apparently have a mountain of evidence against him.

If he is banned for life what does that do to his contract?, probably be a fight over that too.

Frayed Knot
Jul 24 2013 06:41 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Players do NOT get paid while on suspension so a suspension (ban) for life would kill his contract.

But that's exactly why (one of several reasons really) it's not going to happen.
The union is saying that they're not going to pretend that someone isn't guilty if the evidence shows that they are, but that doesn't mean they'll just sit back while MLB runs one of their guys out of the business. With the 'Basic Agreement' spelling out the specific penalties: 50 games for first offense -- then 100 games -- then lifetime, it would be real tough for MLB to make a case that Alex deserves third offender status when his only real previous "crime" was inclusion on that initial round of testing back in 2003 before anyone was even subject to penalties and was supposed to remain anonymous.

MLB is supposedly going to try and argue that taking the drugs, then lying about it to investigators, and possibly throwing up other roadblocks to the investigations are all separate acts and therefore he's a multiple offender but you want to try and make that case in front of an arbitrator? The one thing MLB does NOT want to do here is swing for the fences but miss and wind up getting less than they would have had they stuck more to the book punishments.

So MLB will threaten something harsh, ARod will make noises that he's going to fight for his innocence, and they'll eventually compromise on something in between; that's my guess anyhow. He'll play again but it'll be sometime in 2014 and probably not for opening day.

seawolf17
Jul 24 2013 07:29 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

metirish wrote:
as long as the Yankees have to keep paying him .So yeah a lifetime ban would not be good.

Totally agree.

Centerfield
Jul 24 2013 07:32 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

ARod is obviously being set up here.

5 game suspension. Community service. MFY's forfeit 2009 WS Championship.

Sounds about right to me.

FREE AROD!!!!

Edgy MD
Jul 24 2013 07:35 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

I'd like to see teams remain responsible for the salaries of suspended players --- it can go toward a general fund or toward charity --- rather than be relieved of the burden and suddenly have all this money freed up to invest in some other bum. It would give them a real incentive into doing due diligence and keeping their own standards in their own clubhouse, rather than claiming they were duped. And that would give the players increase incentive also.

Right now, the team's incentive with A-Rod is to give him enough rope to hang himself.

Centerfield
Jul 24 2013 07:49 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

I'd like that rule only to apply to the Yankees.

And I'd like the forfeited salary to be donated to me.

Vic Sage
Jul 24 2013 08:45 AM
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CF is, as almost always, entirely correct. Except the salary should be donated to the Vic Sage offspring college fund.

IN addition, A-Rod should get a 2nd opinion on his injury. When it's demonstrated that the injury has already healed and the Yankees are just jerking him around because they don't want to see his pretty face anymore, A-Rod should be immediately reinstated to the active roster by MLB, forcing the MFYs to release him outright, owing him the balance of his contract. Then, he should go play for the Red Sox and hit a 7th game/9th inning HR that wins the WS for the Sox...while the Yanks are still paying him.

Centerfield
Jul 24 2013 09:00 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Have you seen his salary?

You better get working on some more offspring.

Vic Sage
Jul 24 2013 09:11 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

well, i'm going to have to donate a building or two to some ivy league schools just to get them admitted, so that might run into money.

Frayed Knot
Jul 24 2013 09:10 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

In addition to his ongoing problems with the league, it's ARod & the Yanx who are squabbling at the moment. He claims he's healthy and to prove it he went and got a 2nd opinion on the MRI on his quad. His doc claims he's good to play and ARod wants to play by Friday.
Cashman though is saying Alex is going against policy by getting a 2nd opinion without first obtaining club permission and that he'll play when they tell him he's ready to play and not a minute sooner.

As Irish would say: handbags at twenty paces.

Vic Sage
Jul 24 2013 09:15 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

and of course the dr he chose has been reprimanded by NJ board for his involvement with steroids.

it just keeps getting better.

Frayed Knot
Jul 24 2013 09:33 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

A story I heard earlier today (not sure of the accuracy) says that ARod wants to hear what he wants to hear and if he doesn't he simply fires the guys telling him otherwise. Supposedly he's gone through three lawyers and at least two pr flacks in the last six months for just these reasons.
I suppose if you do that it's only a matter of time until you find a guy who says; "Sure, fighting this to your last breath is a good idea ... there's no way they have proof you did anything"

metirish
Jul 25 2013 06:09 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

It really is fascinating....would love if he showed up for the game tomorrow.

Ceetar
Jul 25 2013 07:05 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

metirish wrote:
It really is fascinating....would love if he showed up for the game tomorrow.


Show up in uniform and if they tell him he can't stay, buy the best ticket he can and tweet from the seats in full uniform.

Frayed Knot
Jul 25 2013 07:08 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Among ARod's complaints, apparently, is that Jeter gets to be in uniform and in the dugout while on the DL for the same supposed injury but yet he's being treated as if he's got leprosy.

Ceetar
Jul 25 2013 07:15 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Frayed Knot wrote:
Among ARod's complaints, apparently, is that Jeter gets to be in uniform and in the dugout while on the DL for the same supposed injury but yet he's being treated as if he's got leprosy.


15day versus 60day, not sure that's hard-coded into the CBA (not that A-Rod cares) though.

Let's say A-Rod walked away. he won't, obviously, but do you think the Yankees retire his number? I mean, he's going into the Hall of Fame when the writers get over their bias, and he's mostly a Yankee and they retire just about everyone's numbers..

Mets Guy in Michigan
Jul 25 2013 07:32 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Frayed Knot wrote:
Among ARod's complaints, apparently, is that Jeter gets to be in uniform and in the dugout while on the DL for the same supposed injury but yet he's being treated as if he's got leprosy.



That's because Jeter, at this point, is pretty much a mascot, but without the dugout roof dances and t-shirt-shooting guns.

Ceetar
Jul 25 2013 07:41 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

metsguyinmichigan wrote:
Frayed Knot wrote:
Among ARod's complaints, apparently, is that Jeter gets to be in uniform and in the dugout while on the DL for the same supposed injury but yet he's being treated as if he's got leprosy.



That's because Jeter, at this point, is pretty much a mascot, but without the dugout roof dances and t-shirt-shooting guns.


he does hand out gift baskets though.

MFS62
Jul 25 2013 07:56 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Ceetar wrote:
metsguyinmichigan wrote:
Frayed Knot wrote:
Among ARod's complaints, apparently, is that Jeter gets to be in uniform and in the dugout while on the DL for the same supposed injury but yet he's being treated as if he's got leprosy.



That's because Jeter, at this point, is pretty much a mascot, but without the dugout roof dances and t-shirt-shooting guns.


he does hand out gift baskets though.

Jeter's a stallion. ARod is just a horse's ass.
Later

Mets Guy in Michigan
Jul 25 2013 08:39 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

MFS62 wrote:
Ceetar wrote:
metsguyinmichigan wrote:
Frayed Knot wrote:
Among ARod's complaints, apparently, is that Jeter gets to be in uniform and in the dugout while on the DL for the same supposed injury but yet he's being treated as if he's got leprosy.



That's because Jeter, at this point, is pretty much a mascot, but without the dugout roof dances and t-shirt-shooting guns.


he does hand out gift baskets though.

Jeter's a stallion. ARod is just a horse's ass.
Later


Then he needs a better costume!

MFS62
Jul 28 2013 12:40 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

So far today, Jeter is 2-2 with a homer.
The Mets are down 8-0 and being no-hit.

I don't think I'm gonna' read tomorrow's newspapers.

Later

Ashie62
Jul 28 2013 05:17 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Hey..maybe Arod will get picked up with a transvestite tonight.

Fman99
Jul 28 2013 07:20 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Ashie62 wrote:
Hey..maybe Arod will get picked up with a transvestite tonight.




I thought maybe she just had a really big clitoris! Next question please...

Mets – Willets Point
Jul 28 2013 07:21 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

The Yankees helped the Red Sox regain first place today. So kind of them.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Jul 30 2013 07:28 AM
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Suspension could be coming down today. Supposedly there is evidence that he's been using for the last three years -- though I don't know how that lands him the threat of a lifetime ban.

More importantly, are the MFYs officially the most roided up franchise?

ARod
Clemens
Pettitte
Giambi
Boone

That's not counting the scrubs, the Cervelli types.

Mets – Willets Point
Jul 30 2013 07:30 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Remember that 9 players on the 2000 Yankees roster were on the Mitchell Report. 'Roidiest team ever.

Ceetar
Jul 30 2013 07:31 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

metsguyinmichigan wrote:
Suspension could be coming down today. Supposedly there is evidence that he's been using for the last three years -- though I don't know how that lands him the threat of a lifetime ban.

More importantly, are the MFYs officially the most roided up franchise?

ARod
Clemens
Pettitte
Giambi
Boone

That's not counting the scrubs, the Cervelli types.


I'm sure you're missing some.

Not to mention the old-timers that have been around since those free steroid years who claim they'd do anything to win.

Edgy MD
Jul 30 2013 07:46 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

What we haven't talked about is that "true Yankee" nutcase Tino Martinez being dismissed from the team we are playing RIGHT NOW, for being physically abusive.

We also haven't talked about the Yankees on a pace to break a record.

An offensive record.

A offensive futility record.

A offensive futility record currently held by the Mets.

A offensive futility record currently held by the 1983 Mets.

Ouch.

[list]Dear Yankees,

Thanks.

Love,

Brian Giles and Jose Oquendo
[/list:u]

Centerfield
Jul 30 2013 08:11 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Tino and A-Rod are both big enough assholes to deserve their own threads no?

Funny how many are trying to write this off as Tino being old school and not being able to adjust to today's player. To me, this is about an asshole who has a big ego thinking he is better than the kids he is coaching.

Does this mean that Jeter would have been ok with Tino verbally abusing him and grabbing him around the neck?

Fuck Tino.

Edgy MD
Jul 30 2013 08:18 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Really?

You know, if Yankee fans are defending Tino for being too righteously bad-assed for the wimpy simps that the Marlins must be, and the Yankees are simultaneously setting an offensive futility record, the only logical choice for the true Yankee fan is to advocate for him to replace Kevin Long as their batting coach.

Ceetar
Jul 30 2013 08:23 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Edgy MD wrote:
Really?

You know, if Yankee fans are defending Tino for being too righteously bad-assed for the wimpy simps that the Marlins must be, and the Yankees are simultaneously setting an offensive futility record, the only logical choice for the true Yankee fan is to advocate for him to replace Kevin Long as their batting coach.


Well duh, the Yankees do like Marlins cast offs for coaches and managers after all.

metirish
Jul 30 2013 08:46 AM
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Here's what I don't get...now, I don't care for Rodriguez in the slightest....not one bit, but reports have Selig throwing the book at him, lifetime ban and if he appeals that Selig will invoke " integrity of the game" to keep him out.

Again, I don't care for Rodriguez but unless Selig has compelling evidence this seems like bullshit, dare I say bullshit pushed by the MFY?

What could he have done that is worse that Braun?, he cheated, lied and smeared people.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 30 2013 08:52 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

I believe Arod may have attempted to interfere with MLB's investigation. That's part of it. But the MFYs are so desperate to extract themselves from the contract its palpable. I am sort of rooting for Arod to make things difficult for the MFYs.

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 30 2013 08:54 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Best possible outcome: He never plays again, but the Yankees have to pay him anyway.

metirish
Jul 30 2013 08:54 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Exactly, while Rodriguez getting banned for life makes good headlines I would much rather a smaller ban, the MFY still paying him and Rodriguez coming back to absolutely suck .

Edgy MD
Jul 30 2013 08:57 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Most certainly.

And Melky Cabrera attempted to interfere with the investigation too. Jason Grimsley attempted to steal Albert Belle's incriminating bat, and he ain't permanently ineligible or anything.

Ceetar
Jul 30 2013 09:00 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

my ideal i think is A-Rod being banned for the rest of the season, and the Yankees working out a Jason Bay deal with him so that he then goes to Seattle and plays for the Mariners, successfully, for a couple more years so that when he retires and, eventually, gets into the Hall it's as a Mariner.

Then I could even like him again.

Mets – Willets Point
Jul 30 2013 09:01 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

metirish wrote:
Exactly, while Rodriguez getting banned for life makes good headlines I would much rather a smaller ban, the MFY still paying him and Rodriguez coming back to absolutely suck .


This.

Centerfield
Jul 30 2013 09:04 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
I believe Arod may have attempted to interfere with MLB's investigation. That's part of it. But the MFYs are so desperate to extract themselves from the contract its palpable. I am sort of rooting for Arod to make things difficult for the MFYs.


Sort of? I am flat out rooting blatantly for ARod. I just tattooed ARod's lawyer's face on my boob*.





*the one that doesn't have Matt Kemp's grandmother on it.

bmfc1
Jul 30 2013 11:19 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Rodriguez is on the cover of the new SI. Crap.

metsmarathon
Jul 30 2013 11:22 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Centerfield wrote:
John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
I believe Arod may have attempted to interfere with MLB's investigation. That's part of it. But the MFYs are so desperate to extract themselves from the contract its palpable. I am sort of rooting for Arod to make things difficult for the MFYs.


Sort of? I am flat out rooting blatantly for ARod. I just tattooed ARod's lawyer's face on my boob*.





*the one that doesn't have Matt Kemp's grandmother on it.


jeez, how could you not blatantly root for arod here? (hell, i just tattooed arod's boob on my face! i'm in it to win it!) the alternative is for hte yankees to get off scot-free on one of the worst signings in the history of baseball (second, unfortunately, to pujols).

i don't think the teams should have a get out of jail free card when one of their players gets suspended for ped use. otherwise, i think very soon, you're going to see arte moreno spiking pujols' gatorade.

Frayed Knot
Jul 30 2013 11:27 AM
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metsmarathon wrote:
jeez, how could you not blatantly root for arod here? the alternative is for hte yankees to get off scot-free on one of the worst signings in the history of baseball (second, unfortunately, to pujols).

i don't think the teams should have a get out of jail free card when one of their players gets suspended for ped use. otherwise, i think very soon, you're going to see arte moreno spiking pujols' gatorade.


This is kind of funny in that the prevailing wind from the collective sports media on this topic is that increased player penalties in the form of voided contracts in the case of dirty tests is the only thing that will keep them off the juice. Braun, it's being argued, got a $100+ million dollar contract on at least partial account of his drug use and the penalty for being caught (twice really) is a loss of about $3 mil.

bmfc1
Jul 30 2013 11:28 AM
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Excellent points above. The MFYs are being allowed to manipulate the system and the union isn't doing anything on the player's behalf. The MFYs are stalling (claiming that Rodriguez is hurt) until Selig bans him for the season. Somehow, the MFYs won't have to pay him and it will all work out just swell for them.

Frayed Knot
Jul 30 2013 11:38 AM
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bmfc1 wrote:
Excellent points above. The MFYs are being allowed to manipulate the system and the union isn't doing anything on the player's behalf. The MFYs are stalling (claiming that Rodriguez is hurt) until Selig bans him for the season. Somehow, the MFYs won't have to pay him and it will all work out just swell for them.


Well, the MFYs are paying ARod NOW whether he plays or not so this stalling act isn't saving them a dime. They certainly will NOT be paying him during the time he's suspended but that's more MLB's doing than the Steinbrenners & Levines of the world. When and for how long that suspension comes is still up in the air especially since Alex and lawyers threaten to fight ANY punishment in the face of MLB claiming they've got enough to throw an entire library of books at him that will ban him for life.

Where this is all going to help the Yanx is in their desire to get under the salary cap next season. They were determined to do so with him but it'll probably be a breeze if Selig has enough to keep him out all of 2014. The reason they're so anxious to get under that cap is that the penalties for going over the cap multiply the longer you're over it and, let's face it, the Yanx have been over it since it was invented. But getting under, even just once, in effect 'resets the clock' so even if they head back over the cap in 2015 they'll do so at only the lowest level of tax rates, not the multiplier rates they're paying now. So whatever money they save on even a temporary ARod ban could pay off for them in larger savings down the road.

Centerfield
Jul 30 2013 11:44 AM
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Which is why we have to prove A-Rod is getting set up here. It's all part of the conspiracy.

FREE AROD.

Ceetar
Jul 30 2013 11:57 AM
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Frayed Knot wrote:


Well, the MFYs are paying ARod NOW whether he plays or not so this stalling act isn't saving them a dime.


supposedly if he misses the entire season(due to injury) they can collect insurance money.

Nymr83
Jul 30 2013 12:06 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
metsmarathon wrote:
jeez, how could you not blatantly root for arod here? the alternative is for hte yankees to get off scot-free on one of the worst signings in the history of baseball (second, unfortunately, to pujols).

i don't think the teams should have a get out of jail free card when one of their players gets suspended for ped use. otherwise, i think very soon, you're going to see arte moreno spiking pujols' gatorade.


This is kind of funny in that the prevailing wind from the collective sports media on this topic is that increased player penalties in the form of voided contracts in the case of dirty tests is the only thing that will keep them off the juice. Braun, it's being argued, got a $100+ million dollar contract on at least partial account of his drug use and the penalty for being caught (twice really) is a loss of about $3 mil.



The Pujols contract may not be the worst yet.

Mike Hampton got 121 million for 7 years and only pitched 2 terrible years for Colorado before they traded him and ate a large portion of it.

The Ryan Howard extension is pretty bad. Vernon Wells was terrible for the Angels.

Edgy MD
Jul 30 2013 12:08 PM
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Jason Bay suddenly looking like a bargain.

metirish
Jul 30 2013 12:39 PM
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Hi wiki page this morning briefly had "former third baseman".


As it is the page starts out with some strange wording

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Rodriguez

metsmarathon
Jul 30 2013 12:53 PM
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pujols is still owed $212M after this year.

someone needs to do a really intensive look at the actual return on investment of major league free agents. i'm sure its been done every year at fangraphs, actually. but i don't have it, and now want to see it. so somebody should do it for me.

Frayed Knot
Jul 30 2013 02:20 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Pujols Offensive WAR progression:
2009 - 7.9
2010 - 6.6
2011 - 4.3
2012 - 4.2
2013 - 1.3

Now obviously the injuries this season have a lot to do with that last number so you'd expect some bounce back assuming this foot thing gets taken care of. But still, the progression wasn't headed in a good direction back before his FA deal w/Anaheim was signed between 2011 and 2012 and it's unlikely, seeing as how he's likely to turn 34 before he plays another game, to return to the years when he was averaging around 7.5 per season (2003-2009)

Centerfield
Jul 30 2013 02:29 PM
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Second generation contracts are tough. You want to sign a star player in his prime, but you know you're going to pay for it on the back end. For as much as we love Piazza, he gave us 4 great years, one injury shortened year, then two serviceable years.

Nymr83
Jul 30 2013 03:00 PM
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Centerfield wrote:
Second generation contracts are tough. You want to sign a star player in his prime, but you know you're going to pay for it on the back end. For as much as we love Piazza, he gave us 4 great years, one injury shortened year, then two serviceable years.


Which is a pretty good reason to like Piazza. He was 30 when we gave him that deal and most of these contracts turn out poorly. 4 great, 2 decent, 1 injured (and he played well in 40% of a season) is a return on investment that most teams would love to have on a 7 year deal for a 30 year old player. Of course they wont admit that the day they sign the guy.

Frayed Knot
Jul 30 2013 03:06 PM
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And the Mets signed Piazza for Seven years just after he turned 30 -- whereas the Angels problem is that they inked Pujols for TEN years just as he was turning 32.

Now you could argue that the whole catcher thing negates some of that difference, but Geeez, there was no one who liked the Pujols deal even though he was probably the consensus choice for best hitter in the majors at the time.

Nymr83
Jul 30 2013 03:09 PM
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Yeah nobody liked the deal and it was pretty dumb, even at the time. But when ts over I dont think it ends up looking as bad as Mike Hampton.

Ceetar
Jul 30 2013 03:29 PM
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we're getting off topic, don't diffuse the Yankee hate. What type of horrible contract are the Yankees going to give Cano, their only good hitter, after this season? This is his age 30 season. 2Bman seem to break down at not too much later than that. (Look at Utley?) I haven't seen that many numbers floated recently, but he's gotta be looking at something significantly crippling to the Yankees right?

Nymr83
Jul 30 2013 04:14 PM
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Ceetar wrote:
we're getting off topic, don't diffuse the Yankee hate. What type of horrible contract are the Yankees going to give Cano, their only good hitter, after this season? This is his age 30 season. 2Bman seem to break down at not too much later than that. (Look at Utley?) I haven't seen that many numbers floated recently, but he's gotta be looking at something significantly crippling to the Yankees right?


I'm thinking 8 years $220 Million. I'm hoping more.

Ashie62
Jul 30 2013 04:29 PM
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The Angels have the inside track on Cano..

metirish
Jul 30 2013 04:55 PM
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Nymr83 wrote:
Ceetar wrote:
we're getting off topic, don't diffuse the Yankee hate. What type of horrible contract are the Yankees going to give Cano, their only good hitter, after this season? This is his age 30 season. 2Bman seem to break down at not too much later than that. (Look at Utley?) I haven't seen that many numbers floated recently, but he's gotta be looking at something significantly crippling to the Yankees right?


I'm thinking 8 years $220 Million. I'm hoping more.



That would be an awesome contract, they should do it.

Fman99
Jul 30 2013 06:55 PM
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Ashie62 wrote:
The Angels have the inside track on Cano..


Frayed Knot
Aug 02 2013 09:30 PM
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Sabathia with 4 runs given up through 4 innings in Sandy Eggo tonight.
He's served up 7 runs in each of his last two starts so he's got a ways to go although he's well on his way.
The 4th run was particularly fun to watch: with two outs an no one on CC failed to cover the bag on a grounder to 1st ... next guy up hit a triple.

4-2 SD, top 5

metirish
Aug 05 2013 03:56 PM
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As seen on Twitter, Jeter to the DL to make room for guess who?

SteveJRogers
Aug 05 2013 05:07 PM
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metirish wrote:
As seen on Twitter, Jeter to the DL to make room for guess who?


Joe Beningo and Evan Roberts were slobbering over him being "clean", not even once considering his breaking down frequently is usually an anecdotal evidence used in using the "eye" test if someone is a user.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Aug 05 2013 07:13 PM
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MFYs led by hero pitcher Andy PEDitte, getting slaughtered by the White Sox.

Frayed Knot
Aug 05 2013 07:24 PM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
MFYs led by hero pitcher Andy PEDitte, getting slaughtered by the White Sox.


That would be your ten-losses-in-a-row coming into tonight White Sox.
Pettitte getting yanked w/bases-loaded, two outs in the 3rd already down 6-0

Bloop single for Rodriguez leading off the Yanqui 2nd. Stranded at 3rd.

Fman99
Aug 05 2013 07:26 PM
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There's some A+ Mets off day viewing right there. Rat Boy done after 2 2/3, 11 H, 1 BB. Second straight night that the MFY starter couldn't get through the third inning.

Frayed Knot
Aug 05 2013 07:29 PM
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What has kept the Yanx afloat so far this season has been their pitching but it's been the ones NOT named Pettitte and Sabathia.
Kuroda & Ivan Nova plus the bullpen have been saving their bacon during their bottom of the barrel offense.

Frayed Knot
Aug 05 2013 07:35 PM
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metirish wrote:
As seen on Twitter, Jeter to the DL to make room for guess who?


Remember how all the mediots in the Spring pronounced it as FACT that Jeter was going to be ready for opening day simply on the basis that he wanted it so much and could therefore will it to happen?
Well since that time the number of games he's played (5) is only slightly ahead of the number of DL assignments (3) and it's not like it's been the same injury each time: first was ankle, then quad, now calf.

Nymr83
Aug 05 2013 08:33 PM
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Fman99 wrote:
There's some A+ Mets off day viewing right there. Rat Boy done after 2 2/3, 11 H, 1 BB. Second straight night that the MFY starter couldn't get through the third inning.


don't bother. RA Dickey's 20th win (9/27/12) was on SNY, much better viewing.

Edgy MD
Aug 06 2013 07:19 AM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
As seen on Twitter, Jeter to the DL to make room for guess who?


Remember how all the mediots in the Spring pronounced it as FACT that Jeter was going to be ready for opening day simply on the basis that he wanted it so much and could therefore will it to happen?
Well since that time the number of games he's played (5) is only slightly ahead of the number of DL assignments (3) and it's not like it's been the same injury each time: first was ankle, then quad, now calf.

Activating him before he's done with his rehab --- before he had even played a single complete game on defense --- looking like the worst idea in the history of training (wiht the possible exception of continuing to play David Wright after he came up grabbing his hammy).

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Aug 08 2013 05:03 AM
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I crashed last night after a Cano HR put the MFYs ahead in the 12th inning, so what atreat to awake to news they'd blown a third straight to the last-place White Sox by coughing up 2 in the bottom of the inning.

And this was after the great Mariano blew a save with 2 out and 0 on in the 9th. The White Sox are the only team in the AL with fewer runs scored.

metirish
Aug 08 2013 06:29 AM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
I crashed last night after a Cano HR put the MFYs ahead in the 12th inning, so what atreat to awake to news they'd blown a third straight to the last-place White Sox by coughing up 2 in the bottom of the inning.

And this was after the great Mariano blew a save with 2 out and 0 on in the 9th. The White Sox are the only team in the AL with fewer runs scored.



Was delighted myself to see this score. Rodriguez goes 1-5 and gets doubled switched out....how's that comeback going eh?

Frayed Knot
Aug 08 2013 07:03 AM
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I saw the 9th but then cashed it in before the extra inning fireworks.
Looking at the line score ... BOTH ChiSox rallies (9th inning & 12th) started after two outs and no one on.
And it all ruined what was Sabathia's first decent start in about a month.

Mets – Willets Point
Aug 08 2013 08:07 AM
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And the Red Sox had another 9th inning comeback to extend their AL East lead over the Yankees to 11.5 games. Yankees fans must be loving that.

themetfairy
Aug 08 2013 08:31 AM
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Frayed Knot
Aug 09 2013 09:29 PM
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More BS from Mariano Rivera - BS as in Blown Save.
This one was the 2-run variety, courtesy of a 2-out/2R-HR by Miguel Cabrera

They're in the 10th now in da Bronx

MFS62
Aug 10 2013 06:39 AM
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The MFYs won in 10.
The game was delayed by rain.
(channeling every fucking reporter shill) "It was as though the Heavens were crying because A-Rod was playing and Jeter wasn't."

Later

Frayed Knot
Aug 11 2013 06:14 PM
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Mariano blew his third straight save and the second 2-run lead in three games vs the Tigers.
But also for the second time in three games Brett Gardner knocked in the winning run in the bottom half of the 9th and erased the BS so the Yanx wind up taking two of three in the series from the previously hottest team in the AL including both games Rivera botched.

Tigers didn't play poorly but they left a small army of guys on base in both games 1 & 3 (and then went and hit three solo HRs today) sandwiched around a beat-down in game 2. So the Yanx continue to keep their heads above .500 despite a [u:1f9089vg]Negative 24[/u:1f9089vg] RS/RA total.

ARod HR'd and also had an RBI single today but I'm going to go out on a limb here and suspect that his HR in his 10th or so AB after missing more than half a year with a major injury and surgery is NOT going to be treated as the same - usually gotta go to Lourdes to see this kind of miracle - that Jeter's HR in his 5th AB after missing more than half a season with injuries and major surgery was.

Mets – Willets Point
Aug 11 2013 06:17 PM
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Is Brett Gardner the new Scott Brosius?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Aug 12 2013 12:04 PM
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Gardner's actually got physical talent.

Frayed Knot
Aug 15 2013 08:00 AM
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Yanx are suddenly winning (4 in a row; 5 of their last 6) and even starting to hit (additions of Granderson & Soriano) while the rest of the AL East is in the midst of a tough stretch: Boston is 2-4; Tampa 1-6 (and they had to pull one out in the 9th last night not to be staring at a 7-games losing streak); and Baltimore was just swept in Arizona

Now I'm still not all that worried about them winning the East. They're still far enough behind Boston and with two other teams ahead of them there would have to be some kind of sustained and coordinated multi-team collapse in conjunction with a NYY surge. So unless they continue this mini-streak they're on during the long stretch of games they've got coming up all within the AL East: 3 each vs Boston, Tampa & Baltimore, plus 7 w/Toronto (against whom they are 8-1) then I think we're OK on that front.

But what's disturbing is that they're starting to win games in funky ways.
- Mariano blows three straight saves ... and the Yanx win two of them anyway
- they've won games started by Verlander & Weaver in the last week. Weaver last night gave up 4 in the 1st after two were out and none on, then 4 more in the 2nd after two-out/1-on
- Soriano has 7 HRs/17 RBI in 66 ABs (vs 17/51 in 382 prior to the trade) continuing the trend of sucking to raking which seems almost automatic with MFY mid-season deals
- and it's still annoying that they're maintaining a five-.500 record with their negative run differential that even two straight blowout wins didn't erase

... and then there are those two Wild Cards

The AL WC is shaping up as six into two situation (after that group there's a 7-game gap to Seattle) with the Yanx currently sitting 6th of that group behind TB, OAK, BAL, CLE, KC, currently 5.5 & 5.0 games in back of leaders Tampa & Oakland

Edgy MD
Aug 15 2013 09:39 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Orioles went through a groin-kick sweep by the D-Backs at the same time the Mets were getting robbed by the Dodgers. Tough breaks all around this week.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Aug 16 2013 02:54 PM
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Former MFY guilty of sexually assaulting teen girls. The jury came back very quickly on this one.

[url]http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2013/08/former_mlb_player_chad_curtis_3.html

Edgy MD
Aug 16 2013 02:57 PM
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Wow, he denied the whole thing. Lotsa folks backed him too. (Seems like they mostly got him on lesser charges, though. Fondling and kissing.)

You covered a teacher-molesting-girls case that seemed like a slam dunk but came back innocent, didn't you?

Mets Guy in Michigan
Aug 16 2013 03:10 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Wow, he denied the whole thing. Lotsa folks backed him too.

You covered a teacher-molesting-girls case that seemed like a slam dunk but came back innocent, didn't you?


Your memory is amazing. I did, a former Flint teacher who was allowed to resign when accusations surfaced, then went to Miami and faced charges for incidents down there.

That was an amazing case. He was married to a former student. He was accused of having affairs with a student and her mother at the same time. The prosecution had a tape of a telephone conversation where he spoke about how much he loved the girl. The public defenders didn't put up much of a defense, saying only that the former victims -- one of whom became a prosecutor -- were jealous and banding together to sue the school district. His closing arguments were repeating "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" and "Show me the money!"

When the verdict came back, the courtroom went nuts. When things calmed down, I went to the public defender for a comment. He said, "Dave, we have a 'guilty' statement already typed up. We didn't even prepare something for 'not guilty.'"

He is, in fact, in a Michigan prison today, after other victims stepped forward and the prosecutor was able to reason that the statue of limitations was on hold while he was in Florida.

I did interview Curtis a couple times for a story I was doing about a superintendent up here accused of wrongdoing. Curtis and he were tight. He wasn't overly pleasant to talk to. Didn't like the media.

On a side note, I think Curtis was one of the players singled out by Vecsey as a 'transient Yankee" or something like that.

Edgy MD
Aug 16 2013 03:17 PM
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One of my closest friends had a relationship with a teacher starting when she was 16. She let's him stay in touch with her even now that she's twice that age, even after he married a younger student he traded her in for. She doesn't see how badly he fucked up her life, but it's as plain as day.

Frayed Knot
Aug 16 2013 05:17 PM
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Yanx have signed recently released Mark Reynolds.

Desperate? Sure. But you'd be desperate too for RH punch if you had the Yanx track record for this year.

Soriano = 7 HRs in 71 ABs - 1 HR/7 ABs
NYY RH minus Soriano: 29 HRs in 1,764 ABs; ABs/HR = 61

MFS62
Aug 16 2013 08:27 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Yanx have signed recently released Mark Reynolds.


And he went 2-5 with a homer and 3 RBI tonight.
sigh.

Later

Mets – Willets Point
Aug 17 2013 06:47 AM
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Sigh. The Yankees are going to come back and win the division and hoist the World Series trophy in October. 28 rings, baby.

Ceetar
Aug 17 2013 06:50 AM
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[url]http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/08/alex-rodriguez-has-a-bizarre-post-game-ritual/ (follow through the other link for more gifs)

Apparently It's a "thing" for A-Rod/players to collect batting helmets from walk-offs. (Someone on Twitter said it was a Bride/Bouquet thing) And Apparently A-Rod takes this very very seriously.

HahnSolo
Aug 20 2013 02:09 PM
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Chris Stewart with a 3-run bomb and they lead the Blue Jays 7-4 in the 8th inning of game 1 of a day-nighter. The Blue Jays never miss an opportunity to roll over and play dead when they come to the Bronx.

These fuckers are going to make a playoff run (and probably make it), arent they?

Frayed Knot
Aug 20 2013 02:20 PM
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And the Jays were up 4-0 by the 2nd inning too!!

G-Fafif
Aug 20 2013 04:44 PM
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I'm a little nervous about the dynasty pausing from its crumble lately.

Frayed Knot
Aug 22 2013 09:16 AM
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Yanx now 11-1 vs Toronto this season, with another one this afternoon and a few more next week.

I flicked by last night's game in just a few spots and kept tuning in right before disasters were hitting.
- first time was just as Ichoro was getting his 4,000th. OK, no problem there, I have nothing against Ichiro and only the most idiotic of YLDBs aren't going to know that 95% of these came elsewhere. At the time it was 1-0 Jays
- that was it until the 8th when I flicked back about a half-second before Soriano was hitting a tie-breaking 2R HR in the 8th off Dickey-face who had apparently pitched well right up to that point (it was 2-2). Since the trade Soriano has been hitting HRs at a rate that would net over 60 in a full (600 AB) season. His rate with the Cubs was less than half that.
- so I figure that's it for that game so I turned it off again only to check back in during top 9 just as some idiot from Toronto is getting picked off of 2nd after doubling against Mariano!! You're down two runs jerk-off (Rajai Davis) where exactly were you going? Naturally the 3rd out quickly followed.

The Yanx recent run of scoring has brought their RS/RA ratio back to dead even - and they are an annoying 9 games over .500 despite that mediocrity.


I felt like the ultimate jinx last night. I watched a total of no more than two minutes of the game but was witness to just about all the bad stuff. The only good thing I really missed in between was Josh Thole's 1st HR of the year and apparently a decent outing by RA, y'know, except for the parts that I saw.

HahnSolo
Aug 22 2013 09:35 AM
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I was at my sisters and only watched a little, but I saw Thole's HR. We all know Thole is no power guy, but he hit the ball a mile past the RF fence.

Also saw Reyes get tossed arguing a called third strike. Looked low, but probably too close to take, and certainly not worth arguing to the point that it gets you kicked out.

Frayed Knot
Aug 22 2013 10:26 AM
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HahnSolo wrote:
... but he hit the ball a mile past the RF fence.


So we're talking, what, 340 ft, 350?

Mets Guy in Michigan
Aug 22 2013 11:09 AM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
HahnSolo wrote:
... but he hit the ball a mile past the RF fence.


So we're talking, what, 340 ft, 350?


Bad ass.

G-Fafif
Aug 22 2013 06:21 PM
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Can the Blue Jays be any more useless? Just give us back our shortstop and go away.

Edgy MD
Aug 22 2013 06:53 PM
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You don't want our knuckleballing philosopher back? Our banjo-hitting catcher? Our rightfielder that we barely handled as we fillped him in a three-way? Our manager who never made it out of Norfolk?

MFS62
Aug 23 2013 08:15 AM
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Ichiro with 4,000 (combined Japanese and Major League) hits.

Domo.

You're a class act.

Later

MFS62
Aug 23 2013 08:17 AM
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Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Aug 23 2013 08:47 AM

Oops.
Dupe.

Later

HahnSolo
Aug 23 2013 08:40 AM
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Since the new Toilet opened in 2009, the Blue Jays are a scintillating 11-35 in the Bronx.

Frayed Knot
Aug 26 2013 08:13 PM
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RA was nice enough to beat the Yanx tonight in Toronto for the Jays second win against the MFYs all season.

The remaining Yanx schedule has me a bit worried.
Still five [crossout:1xai2wju]games[/crossout:1xai2wju] walkovers remaining with the Jays after tonight. Also three vs the awful White Sox, three against the sinking Giants, and they finish with a set vs the worst team over the last three seasons now, Houston. That's 14 games vs dead last place clubs. Mix in 7 more against the barely treading water Orioles (.500 since July 1) and that's not too tough a road.
The only tough part comes via 10 games total vs the BoSox (7) and Rays (3)

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Aug 27 2013 07:16 AM
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Yup. OTOH, one modest win streak by any of those clubs will kill the MFYs.

Frayed Knot
Aug 27 2013 07:42 AM
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I'm not worried so much about the division. Conceivably they could catch either Boston or Tampa but they're not catching both.

But I want them shut out of the WC too and I'm not sure I trust Baltimore, Cleveland or Oakland (KC has already fallen out) to not waddle along at .500 or below like each has been doing all of August. Yanx are currently just 2.0, 2.5, and 4.5 games behind those teams respectively and much of that can be made up in a good weekend.

The good news, like you said, is that one decent hot streak by somebody might do the trick since the Skanks will either have to catch and pass all three from that group, or two of them plus the Sox/Rays loser. The easiest way to root for this is to become a real big Orioles fan in September because they alone could ice this with those seven head-to-heads.

Ceetar
Aug 27 2013 07:44 AM
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correlary is one good losing streak by the Yankees. They just had their hot streak with the Jays sweep, and it didn't get them there.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Aug 27 2013 10:57 AM
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This may sound a little weird, but if teams like the O's will let the MFYs sneak past them into the second WC, I kindasorta wouldn't mind if they got it.

There's absolutely no way this team sneaks by Boston, Tampa, and/or Detroit, and I kind of relish the side of themselves that MFY fans show with a marginal playoff team/early exit-- mild bragging upon clinching ("we didn't even EXPECT this"), followed by booing and a half-empty Fascism Palace as elimination draws nigh.

Frayed Knot
Aug 27 2013 11:17 AM
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Nah, funk that!
Don't want to give them even the possibility of slipping past a team in a short series (they did just take two of three from Detroit last week) and don't want to give their fans the opportunity to crow about having made the playoffs despite a negative run differential plus 87 separate injuries to the starting line-up, many of which hovered on the verge of life and death for weeks on end.
In fact, I'm hoping for a nine-game losing streak starting tonight that will essentially settle the whole deal.

Benjamin Grimm
Aug 27 2013 11:27 AM
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I'm with Frayed Knot. Let them go home at the end of September.

Vic Sage
Aug 28 2013 08:48 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Not only do i want them to fall short of the playoffs, I hope the architect of their Nurembergian stadium, Howard Roark, decides that the Yankees are unworthy of his edifice and blows it to kingdom come on the night that 2 other teams are playing in the WS. The Yanks should then have to play their next few seasons at their A-ball park in Staten Island.

Frayed Knot
Aug 28 2013 10:30 AM
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Vic Sage wrote:
The Yanks should then have to play their next few seasons at their A-ball park in Staten Island.


Where the team is so bad that they fail to sell-out the park.


Meanwhile two more HRs from Soriano last night (hitting them since the trade at more than double his early season rate), plus another one from ARod and one from Mark Reynolds, all recent pick-ups (in one form or another). Makes me wonder how all those YLDBs who complained about "too many HRs" last year and about how they wanted more small-ball and to replace all those HR-hitting guys they didn't like (Teixeira, Granderson, ARod) with more of "the kids". Yeah, how'd that work out for you in the first half? And does all this winning now offend you somehow on account of the un-aesthetic way it's being done?

Indians lost (despite 3-hitting the Braves), Rays lost their game in the 9th, and Baltimore lost (to Boston so there's some consolation there).
Only Oakland, among the WC contenders, won yesterday and they had to go through Detroit and Verlander to do so (and got some help from the rain).

G-Fafif
Aug 31 2013 04:54 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

They're not fucking going away, are they?

Frayed Knot
Sep 01 2013 06:18 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Certainly helps them out that:
- Tampa has lost six of their last seven and was 11-15 in August
- Cleveland has dropped five straight while going 12-16 in August
- Baltimore has dropped four of five to end August at 12-14

An illustration of how it's going for them happened Thursday afternoon when, within about two minutes of each other, Oakland lost on a 2-out/9th inning 3R HR (Torii Hunter/Detroit) while Tampa's potential 2-out/9-inning 3R HR was caught about 2-feet short of the wall vs Anaheim.

Yanx have already passed both Cleveland and Baltimore and now sit just 3.5 & 5.0 behind Tampa & Oakland having only to pass either team ... and they STILL have a negative RS/RA ratio through all this.
Then there's that upcoming schedule of theirs mentioned earlier.

Ashie62
Sep 01 2013 08:24 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

3 1/2 with a bullet...Unreal..

MFS62
Sep 01 2013 09:34 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

This might not have been mentioned (or noticed) before,
But even if it has, it is worth repeating.
The MFYs end their season with a three game series against the HOUSTON FUCKING ASTROS!
At least we might be able to see Texan Roger Clemens fellatiate both Jeter and Mariano before the final game.

Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Sep 01 2013 01:18 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

"Oh my goodness gracious! Roger Clemens is not in a box..."

Frayed Knot
Sep 01 2013 01:30 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

MFS62 wrote:
This might not have been mentioned (or noticed) before,
But even if it has, it is worth repeating.
The MFYs end their season with a three game series against the HOUSTON FUCKING ASTROS!



Not just the Astros, but three each against White Sox, Giants, Blue Jays, and Astros.
That's 12 of their final 26 games against last place dwellers.

Edgy MD
Sep 03 2013 06:49 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

I just heard some office buzz that the Yanks may be calling up switch-pitcher Pat Venditte.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 03 2013 07:47 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Frayed Knot wrote:
MFS62 wrote:
This might not have been mentioned (or noticed) before,
But even if it has, it is worth repeating.
The MFYs end their season with a three game series against the HOUSTON FUCKING ASTROS!



Not just the Astros, but three each against White Sox, Giants, Blue Jays, and Astros.
That's 12 of their final 26 games against last place dwellers.


Look I hope it doesn't come to this but getting eliminated on the season's final week by a team with 100+ losses will be a LOLLY way for it all to end.

Gwreck
Sep 03 2013 11:55 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Need a Rivera blown save in there too to make it perfect.

Mets – Willets Point
Sep 03 2013 05:24 PM
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And Jeter making a major error and striking out in a clutch moment, then picking a fight with a disabled child in the stands, and as he's escorted from the ballpark, a steroids syringe falls out of his back pocket.

G-Fafif
Sep 03 2013 05:27 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Just lose a lot now. The flourishes can come when they come.

Edgy MD
Sep 03 2013 06:59 PM
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They're doing just that, down 3-1 to the Chicago Venturas tonight in the sixth.

Edgy MD
Sep 03 2013 07:00 PM
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His fastball's got some real cut to it.

His face has got some real flush to it.

Edgy MD
Sep 03 2013 07:01 PM
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But too much plate there. Yikey.

Frayed Knot
Sep 03 2013 08:03 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Five straight NYY hits off three different ChiSox pitchers and the game is tied in the 8th w/the Yanx still batting.

Frayed Knot
Sep 03 2013 08:05 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Five straight NYY hits off three different ChiSox pitchers and the game is tied in the 8th w/the Yanx still batting.


Yeah, check that, make it six hits off four ChiSox pitchers and the Yanx are up 6-4 in a game they were losing 4-1 until a few minutes ago.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 03 2013 08:21 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Matt Lindstrom can blow me.

bmfc1
Sep 06 2013 10:16 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Holy crap, ESPN NY radio is "celebrating the Month of Mo."

Ceetar
Sep 06 2013 10:34 AM
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bmfc1 wrote:
Holy crap, ESPN NY radio is "celebrating the Month of Mo."


I searched Twitter to find that and mock them/him but got 'cunt of the month's account instead. I'm better off.

Mets – Willets Point
Sep 06 2013 09:21 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

The Yankees losing to the Red Sox is always great but that the do so in such a disheartening fashion is superb.

Ceetar
Sep 07 2013 06:22 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

lose again. Tampa losing keepings them 2.5 out but Cleveland and the Orioles pass them again.

Mike Napoli's grand slam was literally a fly out in basically any other stadium or one with Endy Chavez playing outfield.

MFS62
Sep 07 2013 07:19 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Shane Victorino isn't quite as repulsive when he beats the MFSs.
Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Sep 07 2013 05:19 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Oh, this is a fun series.

Willets? Eyewitness report?

Mets – Willets Point
Sep 07 2013 06:16 PM
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
Oh, this is a fun series.

Willets? Eyewitness report?


Yes, it is fun. Lots of Sox fans in our section. Nothing beats seeing the hopes & dreams of an Empire dashed.

I have to admit that I liked YSIII as a ballpark. I think it's better than YSII in many respects.

Ceetar
Sep 07 2013 06:22 PM
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Mets – Willets Point wrote:
LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
Oh, this is a fun series.

Willets? Eyewitness report?


Yes, it is fun. Lots of Sox fans in our section. Nothing beats seeing the hopes & dreams of an Empire dashed.

I have to admit that I liked YSIII as a ballpark. I think it's better than YSII in many respects.


well, low bar.

It's a little sterile (unless they've fixed that, it's been 3 years for me) but it has it's nice points.

G-Fafif
Sep 08 2013 02:26 PM
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What coulda been great ended up sucking.

G-Fafif
Sep 08 2013 02:32 PM
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Rivera gave up tying HR T-9. BOS allows winning run on wild pitch.

Frayed Knot
Sep 08 2013 06:52 PM
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I believe that's five blown saves for Rivera over the last couple of weeks - but, frustratingly, the Yanx have won four of those games IIRC.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Sep 09 2013 08:51 PM
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Derek F. Jeter out AGAIN and out indefinitely. Jeter is hitting .186 with one home run and six RBI in 17 games this season.

How much are they paying this guy, and how long is that contract?

Mets – Willets Point
Sep 09 2013 09:01 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

metsguyinmichigan wrote:
Derek F. Jeter out AGAIN and out indefinitely. Jeter is hitting .186 with one home run and six RBI in 17 games this season.

How much are they paying this guy, and how long is that contract?


You have to take in account how he makes everyone around him better, even on the disabled list.

Fman99
Sep 10 2013 04:38 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Our dreams are coming closer to fruition -- the MFYs are four back in the loss column for the last WC spot with 18 to play, and two more teams (Cleveland and Baltimore) ahead of them in the standings.

Frayed Knot
Sep 10 2013 07:24 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Yeah, the key is as much keeping enough teams ahead of them as it is the number of games behind they sit as then at least some of these head-to-head matches between the other contenders assures that the Yanx can't gain ground that night on at least one of them.
The flip side of that of course is that the Yanx also can't lose any ground to at least one of those teams so it's kind of a good-news/bad-news situation. Baltimore, for instance, has only AL East teams on their schedule for the rest of year while the Yanx are off facing the like of the Giants & Astros. This week alone sees the Indians vs Royals (Cleveland won yesterday) plus the Sawx in Tampa starting tonight.



The best part about last night's game might have been the near manager-on-manager violence that erupted between innings.
Apparently Girardi thought the the O's 3B coach was stealing signs or something like that and started yapping at him from the dugout. Showalter didn't take kindly to this and came out of his dugout steaming mad, fist shaking, finger-wagging, etc. He appeared to be mouthing; 'you got a problem come talk to ME about it' yadda, yadda. Both dugouts emptied but the umps intercepted Buck before the two skippers got close enough to start kissing or anything.

Mets – Willets Point
Sep 10 2013 08:46 AM
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Their next six games are road games against Baltimore and Boston. If their division rivals win at least 4 of those 6 games, the Yankees may be put in too deep a hole for them to regain ground against the bottom feeders. That's my hope at least.

Mets – Willets Point
Sep 16 2013 08:05 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

The Yankees' magic number for elimination is



Yankees #11 was worn by Chuck Knoblauch who is famed for injuring Keith Olbermann's mother with a misthrown baseball, getting injected with HGH by Brian McNamee, and physically assaulting his common-law wife.

Keep it classy Yankees!

bmfc1
Sep 17 2013 06:13 PM
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How can FAN keep this idiot?
http://thebiglead.com/2013/09/17/john-s ... call-ever/

Centerfield
Sep 18 2013 07:30 AM
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The good news is that they have lost 4 in a row.

The bad news is that they are still only 3.5 games back.

Lefty Specialist
Sep 18 2013 07:36 AM
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Magic number for elimination: Roger Maris.

Mets – Willets Point
Sep 18 2013 07:43 AM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 18 2013 07:46 AM

Magic number for elimination: Roger Maris.



I love single digits.

Plus, we got to skip Phil Rizzuto. If only Cooperstown had done the same.

Frayed Knot
Sep 18 2013 07:44 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Centerfield wrote:
The good news is that they have lost 4 in a row.

The bad news is that they are still only 3.5 games back.


The key isn't the 3.5 games but that there are now FIVE teams even with or ahead of them (not even counting the division leaders) for two spots.
It's one thing to play well down the stretch and have the guys in front of you stumble (1969 & 2007 are two sides of that coin) but it's quite another to have at least four teams fuck up while you play well. And even that only gets you to a 50/50 shot of moving on (and, yes, I know we don't even want it to come to that).

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 18 2013 07:49 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Baseball Prospectus has their playoff odds down to 2.4%. Seven days ago it was 8.2%.

dinosaur jesus
Sep 18 2013 08:12 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Is New York still in the league?

Fman99
Sep 20 2013 04:28 AM
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MFYs lose again, now 4 games back in the loss column for the AL Wild Card with nine left to play, and five teams ahead of them.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 20 2013 04:33 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Was worried the Jays were gonna blow this one until gasbag Chamberlain came on. They had about a million baserunners in the early innings but only scored two of them.

Second nite in a row a MFY was out as a result of not hustling when Soriano lollygagged on what should have been a gimmee double.

seawolf17
Sep 20 2013 05:54 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

I feel like the Yankees play the Red Sox and Blue Jays every series. Do they ever play other teams? (Outside of their annual thrashing of the Twins?)

metirish
Sep 20 2013 06:01 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

@RealMichaelKay: "Cano, inexcusably, does not run the whole way. He just stands with his hands on his hips. He thought it was a foul ball."


@RealMichaelKay on Cano: "We're talking about a flat team and a guy who's the star of your team runs three steps out of the box and stops."


delightful

I believe that was from the game two nights ago.`

Frayed Knot
Sep 20 2013 06:04 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Yeah, like Cano not running is something new or something that doesn't happen even when the Skanks are winning.
Ditto Soriano. He didn't hustle as a Yank the first time around either.

metirish
Sep 20 2013 06:49 AM
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So true, tolerated when they are winning. I just hope the MFY's ignore the lack of hustle and give cano the ten year $200 million contract he "deserves" from them.

Ceetar
Sep 20 2013 07:06 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

metirish wrote:
So true, tolerated when they are winning. I just hope the MFY's ignore the lack of hustle and give cano the ten year $200 million contract he "deserves" from them.


nah, I hope they go the other way and DON'T re-sign the best option they (and really most anyone) has for 2B because of it.

Mets – Willets Point
Sep 20 2013 08:09 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

The Magic Elimination Number is now


#7 is retired for Mickey Mantle who once reflected on the mystique and aura of the original Yankee Stadium.

metirish
Sep 20 2013 08:33 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

John Sterling is just great(bold is mine)


Voice of Yanks Is Maddening and Memorable

John Sterling’s quarter-century of baritone bombast, mistakes, bizarrely creative home run calls and unalloyed joy at Yankees victories (“Thuuuuuh Yankees win!”) has made him an odd but solid part of the Yankees brand. A singular, divisive, much-debated personality, Sterling seems likely to move with the Yankees’ radio rights next season from WCBS-AM to WFAN, which will simulcast the games at 660 AM and 101.9 FM.

If Sterling returns, with or without Suzyn Waldman, it will not be because he is a great broadcaster. He is frequently awful and laughable — yet unforgettable in his overblown way. His return would seem to be predicated on lengthy service as a Yankees homer. Longevity is a wonderful asset for a local baseball announcer. It helps build a fan base even if you’re not sublime. Had Bob Gamere lasted as a Yankees voice beyond his nearly forgotten season in 1970, he might have built a following.

Sterling’s penchant for miscalling a play, or not describing action with absolute accuracy, is maddening and suggests a problem with his eyesight. On Tuesday in Toronto, he saw something that did not happen, or perhaps he called something he wished had happened.

With R. A. Dickey pitching to Alex Rodriguez, Sterling said: “Swung on and drilled to deep-right-center field. That ball is high; it is far; it is gone! Over the wall.” He paused and then added, “Oh, it hit and kicked over.”

But it had not gone over the wall. After another pause, he said: “I’m sorry. I’m sorry. I got that call wrong. I got that all wrong. At the wall, Davis made the catch. Honestly, I didn’t think he made it. I thought he gave up on the ball. That’s why I thought it was out.”

On the YES Network, Michael Kay said: “Driven out into right-center field. Davis back, and he’ll make the play for the second out.”

On the Blue Jays’ radio broadcast, Jerry Howarth said: “Rodriguez lines one up the gap and into deep-right-center field. Moving back, Rajai Davis, and he makes a backhanded catch on the track.” There was no visual sign that Davis had given up on the ball.


Kay and Howarth saw the routine play clearly. Sterling got it wrong in many ways and delayed correcting himself while exaggerating Davis’s nearness to the wall; he made the catch as he crossed onto the warning track. But at least he apologized.

What Yankees management thinks of Sterling is not publicly known. Randy Levine, the team president, would not comment Thursday. Whether Levine and Hal Steinbrenner have combed through Sterling’s radio archive in the past before renewing his contracts is unknown, too. Perhaps management puts Sterling’s faux pas and nutty shtick (“An A-bomb, for A-Rod!”) in the category of Phil Rizzuto’s ignoring plays to send birthday wishes to fans or leaving early to beat the traffic home to New Jersey.

Rizzuto was endearing and beloved, almost sweet. Sterling? Not so much. But is he eccentric? Oh my.

On Aug. 8, 2012, he starred in another episode of Weird-but-True Yankees Classics.

Casey McGehee led off the fourth inning against Detroit starter Anibal Sanchez.

“Cuts and misses,” Sterling said. (No, the bat met the ball.) “No, he cuts and hits a fly ball down the left-field line, and the ball is foul.” (It was not a foul ball but a sharply hit ground ball.) “McGehee is headed toward second base as the throw comes in, and he’s staying at second.” (Sterling sounded a bit surprised, but McGehee had hit a ball that bounced fair over third base but landed foul.) “The ball went down the left-field line, and it must have hit it and kicked in the seats for a grounds-rule double.” (The ball did not kick into the stands, and it was not a ground-rule double.)

A supportive partner, Waldman said, “We all missed it” — no other Tigers or Yankees announcers did — and added that the ball was “in the air; it flew over the bag.” There was no flying. Honest.

The call was skewered the next morning by the WFAN hosts Craig Carton and Boomer Esiason; Carton ended their seven-minute analysis with a plea to the Yankees to sign Sterling and Waldman to a five-year deal. “I can’t live without them,” he said.

He described their broadcasts as unique. He said they produced “the most colloquial broadcast ever” and would be missed if they were replaced by perfectly competent announcers who would not be idiosyncratic or memorable. Esiason and Carton had no reason to believe back then that they would ever share a station with the Yankees, and possibly Sterling.

But next season, Carton, being Carton, will probably invite Sterling into the station’s studio to analyze Sterling.

Imagine that: Carton and Sterling, belly to belly.

E-mail: sandor@nytimes.com

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 20 2013 08:35 AM
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I'm with Craig. I love John Sterling more every day.

Ceetar
Sep 20 2013 08:40 AM
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he's wrong, I listened to the Kay version the other day (looking for the Sterling call and the article linked that, nice of them)

Kay didn't know it was caught at first either, there was a couple of seconds of silence before he identified what happened. Which of course, is a a benefit of television. Sterling blunders ahead, he's like the typical Yankees fan, he's decided what's going to happen (A-Rod will homer) and let's it color what he's going to say.

Lefty Specialist
Sep 20 2013 10:47 AM
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John Sterling is one of the few reasons I feel sorry for Yankee fans.

HahnSolo
Sep 20 2013 11:28 AM
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Andy Pettitte retiring...again.

Mets – Willets Point
Sep 20 2013 11:35 AM
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HahnSolo wrote:
Andy Pettitte retiring...again.


Kind of wonder how long Mariano Rivera's retirement will last.

metirish
Sep 20 2013 11:47 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

HahnSolo wrote:
Andy Pettitte retiring...again.



and the media fawning all over him, forgetting conveniently that he is an admitted cheat.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 20 2013 11:50 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

metirish wrote:
HahnSolo wrote:
Andy Pettitte retiring...again.



and the media fawning all over him, forgetting conveniently that he is an admitted cheat.


Francesa show hilarious today, gives an overblown valentine to him only to find a bunch of callers remind him he's a drug cheat and already retired once.

Francesa's defense of Pettitte's steroid use is not to bring it up. It's boring to him. It's not like Arod.

Edgy MD
Sep 20 2013 12:18 PM
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I tell you though. I have little doubt that big shots declaring a story to be boring has a pretty good history of making a story go away.

d'Kong76
Sep 20 2013 12:24 PM
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HahnSolo wrote:
Andy Pettitte retiring...again.


Good riddance...again.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 20 2013 12:31 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Edgy MD wrote:
I tell you though. I have little doubt that big shots declaring a story to be boring has a pretty good history of making a story go away.


It's really less the declaration of boringness and more the inconvenience of the steroid destroying the narrative.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 20 2013 12:32 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Baseball Prospectus now has the Yankees down to 1.0 per cent for making the playoffs.

Ceetar
Sep 20 2013 12:37 PM
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Benjamin Grimm wrote:
Baseball Prospectus now has the Yankees down to 1.0 per cent for making the playoffs.


So it's okay then that Andy Pettitte interrupting "meaningful" baseball to announce his retirement I guess.

HahnSolo
Sep 20 2013 01:57 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

The MFY narrative of Pettitte's HGH use has been: "he didn't do it for a competitive advantage, he did it to return quicker from an injury." That's all well and good. it also conveniently leaves out the fact that returning quicker from an injury IS a competitive advantage.

bmfc1
Sep 20 2013 01:58 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

I'm guessing that Kay said this today (I won't verify): "Now Mo and Andy will be enshrined together."

G-Fafif
Sep 20 2013 02:05 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Forecast for Sunday: Soft rain, wept by Jesus and Klapisch, not necessarily in that order.

Frayed Knot
Sep 20 2013 02:19 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

The MFY narrative of Pettitte's HGH use has been: "he didn't do it for a competitive advantage, he did it to return quicker from an injury." That's all well and good. it also conveniently leaves out the fact that returning quicker from an injury IS a competitive advantage.


It's like the Clemens defender I heard once: "Roger didn't take steroids, he just worked out much harder than anyone else"

DUH!!! What do you think steroids allows you to do?!?!?

d'Kong76
Sep 20 2013 06:35 PM
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Not gonna miss the born-again satanic stare.

Mets – Willets Point
Sep 21 2013 08:31 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

The Magic Elimination Number is now


The Yankees retired this number for Joe Dimaggio. Joltin' Joe famously had a post-baseball career as a spokesman for Mr. Coffee. Present day Yankees use a lot more than coffee to get themselves going.

MFS62
Sep 21 2013 09:24 PM
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Now Andy can spend his time PEDdling stuff on TV like Joltin' Joe.

Later

Mets – Willets Point
Sep 22 2013 03:35 PM
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The Magic Elimination Number is now


The Yankees retired #3 for Babe Ruth. Before he was a Yankee, Ruth had a successful career as a pitcher. If he pitched for today's Yankees, he'd be known as the member of the staff with the lean physique.

Ceetar
Sep 23 2013 07:26 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Mets – Willets Point wrote:
The Magic Elimination Number is now


The Yankees retired #3 for Babe Ruth. Before he was a Yankee, Ruth had a successful career as a pitcher. If he pitched for today's Yankees, he'd be known as the member of the staff with the lean physique.


still holding my breath. I believe I remember showing up to work on the last monday of 2007 and updating my magic number to clinch to 3.

Mets – Willets Point
Sep 24 2013 10:10 PM
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The Magic Number for Yankee elimination is


The proudest Yankee Billy Martin would shake his head in disgust and kick dirt on the shoes of this team.

MFS62
Sep 24 2013 10:23 PM
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Mets – Willets Point wrote:

The proudest Yankee Billy Martin would shake his head in disgust and kick dirt on the shoes of this team.

Just before George Steinbrenner fired him ... again.

Later

G-Fafif
Sep 25 2013 05:50 AM
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A LEGENDARY MFY HOTHEAD,
HE WOULD NOT HAVE STOOD
FOR THIS SHIT. SURELY HE
WOULD HAVE PICKED A FIGHT
WITH A WRITER OR GONE ON
A LEGENDARY BENDER BY NOW.

Edgy MD
Sep 25 2013 06:20 AM
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That would be a creative form of vandalism. Replacing Yankee plaques with bogus (but accurate) rewrites.

Ceetar
Sep 25 2013 06:24 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
That would be a creative form of vandalism. Replacing Yankee plaques with bogus (but accurate) rewrites.


Considering how tight that place is locked down, and that they don't dare let you in during games.. tough indeed.

Frayed Knot
Sep 25 2013 06:29 AM
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Sneak in during the 7th inning stretch when all the security guys are busy trying to prevent people from going to the bathroom.

MFS62
Sep 25 2013 08:17 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
That would be a creative form of vandalism. Replacing Yankee plaques with bogus (but accurate) rewrites.

That might make for a fun spin-off thread. But that Billy Martin one would be tough to beat.

Later

Ceetar
Sep 25 2013 08:19 AM
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It's amazing how classless the Yankees are sometimes. This bobble nonsense is amusing, and not getting nearly the mockery that it deserves.

metirish
Sep 25 2013 08:24 AM
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Ceetar wrote:
It's amazing how classless the Yankees are sometimes. This bobble nonsense is amusing, and not getting nearly the mockery that it deserves.



Yeah, saw some of that on various social media, seemed like a real fuck up. Near riots over a bobblehead doll?, grow the fuck up wankers.

Ceetar
Sep 25 2013 08:29 AM
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metirish wrote:
Ceetar wrote:
It's amazing how classless the Yankees are sometimes. This bobble nonsense is amusing, and not getting nearly the mockery that it deserves.



Yeah, saw some of that on various social media, seemed like a real fuck up. Near riots over a bobblehead doll?, grow the fuck up wankers.



Not having the bobbleheads ready, messy voucher system, long waits to get them when they did arrive,(line stretched all the way up to the upper deck) saw that someone on Twitter said he got 8, which means they allowed people to buck the system somehow, plus only for first 18,000 fans.

HahnSolo
Sep 25 2013 08:42 AM
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The media would be destroying the Mets if this were their fuckup.

themetfairy
Sep 25 2013 08:43 AM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Sneak in during the 7th inning stretch when all the security guys are busy trying to prevent people from going to the bathroom.


I'm not familiar with this particular MFY douchebaggery - please enlighten me.

Ceetar
Sep 25 2013 08:48 AM
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themetfairy wrote:
Frayed Knot wrote:
Sneak in during the 7th inning stretch when all the security guys are busy trying to prevent people from going to the bathroom.


I'm not familiar with this particular MFY douchebaggery - please enlighten me.


STAND AT ATTENTION THEY'RE PLAYING GOD BLESS AMERICA YOU WORTHLESS HEATHEN

seawolf17
Sep 25 2013 08:51 AM
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HahnSolo wrote:
The media would be destroying the Mets if this were their fuckup.

No kidding.

Mets – Willets Point
Sep 25 2013 08:58 AM
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themetfairy wrote:
Sneak in during the 7th inning stretch when all the security guys are busy trying to prevent people from going to the bathroom.


I'm not familiar with this particular MFY douchebaggery - please enlighten me.


Not sure if they still do this, but here's a story from 2009: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/0 ... 27173.html

I didn't see ushers with chains when I went to YSIII earlier in the month.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Sep 25 2013 09:01 AM
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True story: I was at a game at MFY Stadium II years ago and looking at the stuff in Monument Park. It was during batting practice. A ball came flying into the park, and bounced to an older teenager who was there with his girlfriend. He was thrilled to have the ball. And I guy in a uniform -- I don't remember whether it was stadium security or a police officer -- walked right over and demanded the ball. He said something like "We collect those." The kid was crushed, but handed it over without questioning.

Seemed very strange to me. I also suspected that the guy in uniform just wanted a ball.

Ceetar
Sep 25 2013 09:07 AM
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oh and I forgot, they apparently wouldn't let anyone into the stadium since the bobbleheads hadn't arrived yet.

themetfairy
Sep 25 2013 09:15 AM
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You're right - if the bobblehead fiasco had happened to the Mets, it would be front page news.

Thanks for the enlightenment!

Frayed Knot
Sep 25 2013 09:20 AM
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The other thing about the bobble-head fuck-up is that apparently the folks in the prime seats had their bobbles delivered to their seats while the unwashed masses had to queue up elsewhere after the game or got to eat cake or something.


Speaking of Yanqui Stadium II, I noticed that BB-Ref is referring to the current crib as [u:21xbk8ab]YSIII[/u:21xbk8ab] even though most of the world treats it as if it's only the 2nd in the line of Bronx baseball parks.
I thought only we here referred to it as III but maybe BB-R stole it just like Gary steals half our lines and stats for the telecast.

metirish
Sep 25 2013 09:24 AM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
The other thing about the bobble-head fuck-up is that apparently the folks in the prime seats had their bobbles delivered to their seats while the unwashed masses had to queue up elsewhere after the game or got to eat cake or something.





That just says it all right there how the regular fan gets treated.

Frayed Knot
Sep 25 2013 09:40 AM
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Well, it's the fault of those regular guys for being on the wrong side of 'the moat'.

SteveJRogers
Sep 25 2013 09:42 AM
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themetfairy wrote:
You're right - if the bobblehead fiasco had happened to the Mets, it would be front page news.

Thanks for the enlightenment!



And an article from Medgal, or a like minded "blame everything on the money issues" opinion writer, blaming poor staffing issues on cost cutting!

SteveJRogers
Sep 25 2013 09:46 AM
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Frayed Knot wrote:

Speaking of Yanqui Stadium II, I noticed that BB-Ref is referring to the current crib as YSIII even though most of the world treats it as if it's only the 2nd in the line of Bronx baseball parks.
I thought only we here referred to it as III but maybe BB-R stole it just like Gary steals half our lines and stats for the telecast.


I don't know when, or if off hand, they stopped the practice, but the Yanqui Media Guide did separate home stadia records as 1923-1973 and 1976-present. Indeed treating the Renovated Stadium as a separate ballpark, as opposed to the same "unbroken" history (except of course for 1974-1975 over at Flushing Meadows) that the plot of land had during its final campaign.

Mets – Willets Point
Sep 25 2013 10:36 AM
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Frayed Knot wrote:


Speaking of Yanqui Stadium II, I noticed that BB-Ref is referring to the current crib as YSIII even though most of the world treats it as if it's only the 2nd in the line of Bronx baseball parks.


Interesting. They also classify the Polo Grounds as five different stadiums. Previously I've only seen the Polo Grounds as having four distinct iterations in other sources.

HahnSolo
Sep 25 2013 12:59 PM
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Either I am reading this wrong, I am missing a joke, or this has to be wrong:

Jayson Stark ?@jaysonst 3m
In other #Yankees news, @chrisidore reports that if they get eliminated tonight, tomorrow will be 1st "meaningless" home game since 10/3/63

G-Fafif
Sep 25 2013 01:01 PM
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HahnSolo wrote:
Either I am reading this wrong, I am missing a joke, or this has to be wrong:

Jayson Stark ?@jaysonst 3m
In other #Yankees news, @chrisidore reports that if they get eliminated tonight, tomorrow will be 1st "meaningless" home game since 10/3/63


Gotta be 93.

Ceetar
Sep 25 2013 01:08 PM
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G-Fafif wrote:
Either I am reading this wrong, I am missing a joke, or this has to be wrong:

Jayson Stark ?@jaysonst 3m
In other #Yankees news, @chrisidore reports that if they get eliminated tonight, tomorrow will be 1st "meaningless" home game since 10/3/63


Gotta be 93.


I guess they were technically 'alive' on 9/21/08, but with an elimination number of 1, and still 6 games to go, it certainly wasn't meaningful.

SteveJRogers
Sep 25 2013 07:26 PM
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9 outs away!

ITS YANKEE ELIMINATION DAY!

Frayed Knot
Sep 25 2013 07:32 PM
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Not a good showing for what was probably Phil Hughes's last day in pinstripes -- 7 hits plus a walk in 2 inning.

The only question now is whether their own loss eliminates them or Cleveland's win.
Both games are in the 7th and both games are taking forever; the Yanx game because they're the Yanx and the Indians game because Terry Francona changes pitchers more than any manager I've ever seen save for maybe LaRussa. Up by three in the 7th with no one on, he's just used three different pitchers to get three different outs.

SteveJRogers
Sep 25 2013 08:15 PM
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Cleveland wins, officially making the Yankees go golfing for the winter!

themetfairy
Sep 25 2013 08:16 PM
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metirish
Sep 25 2013 08:26 PM
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Normally I would feel bad about a kid crying but this kid makes me smile....

SteveJRogers
Sep 25 2013 08:33 PM
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And the Yankees lose their game to make things even more official.

themetfairy
Sep 25 2013 08:36 PM
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metirish wrote:
Normally I would feel bad about a kid crying but this kid makes me smile....


He was putting on a tour de force performance, protesting the fact that he wasn't getting ice cream the very second that he wanted it.

G-Fafif
Sep 25 2013 08:38 PM
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BREAKING: MFY veterans to make MFY rookies dress for a funeral on flight to Houston.

G-Fafif
Sep 25 2013 08:45 PM
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MFYs may be eliminated but MFY-related douchiness is never far away.

Hard Rock boots Metallica for Mo
By Darren Rovell
ESPN.com


Throughout the year, teams have honored Mariano Rivera's final season in different ways. On Thursday, Hard Rock Cafe will offer its own special spin to send off the closer, who likely will be playing his last game at Yankee Stadium.

In a ceremony before Thursday night's game, Hard Rock will announce that Rivera's warm-up song, Metallica's "Enter Sandman," will be yanked from its song system to be retired from all Hard Rock-branded restaurants, hotels and casinos worldwide -- with the exception of Hard Rock Cafe Yankee Stadium.

David Miller, director of operations for Hard Rock International, said it was a small gesture to honor "one of the greatest athletes of our generation." It's the first time the company, which has a total of 173 venues across 53 countries, has "retired" a song.

As part of the pregame ceremony, Hard Rock will present Rivera with a unique Martin D-18 1939 acoustic guitar and a check of $10,042 to the Mariano Rivera Foundation.

The song was played live at Yankee Stadium on Sunday by Metallica, whose "Enter Sandman" debuted on its 1991 album. The Yankees started using it for Rivera beginning in the 1999 season.

Aside from the Hard Rock at Yankee Stadium, the two brands are co-owners of NYY Steak, with locations at Yankee Stadium and Coconut Creek, Fla., and one scheduled to open in Manhattan in November.

metirish
Sep 25 2013 08:48 PM
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Christ, I didn't realize that Rivera wrote that song.......I am now announcing my retirement from Hard Rock Cafe's....fuck off asreholes.

SteveJRogers
Sep 25 2013 08:57 PM
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You'd thought they'd retire it for this:

[youtube:1q6wbsg6]oT9aregQRbE[/youtube:1q6wbsg6]

metirish
Sep 25 2013 09:22 PM
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WOW, watching the highlights of this game, Wells is awful out there in RF......messed up three catchable balls , and obviously looked useless in doing so.

Edgy MD
Sep 25 2013 09:24 PM
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Isn't it amazing that they could take such an unoriginal idea and slather themselves in it as if it was sprung right from George Steinbrenner's crazy head? Rivera has said he neither knows the cares about the content of the song and certainly didn't choose it for himself. Of course it was taken from another team and another player. What could the Yankees possibly risk doing first?

Metallica, meanwhile gets a cut into their income if that song ends up artificially disappearing from playlists.

MFS62
Sep 25 2013 09:28 PM
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SteveJRogers wrote:
Cleveland wins, officially making the Yankees go golfing for the winter!

All you Munchkins gather 'round and start singing, "Ding Dong, the Bitch is dead".

Later

SteveJRogers
Sep 25 2013 09:40 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Isn't it amazing that they could take such an unoriginal idea and slather themselves in it as if it was sprung right from George Steinbrenner's crazy head? Rivera has said he neither knows the cares about the content of the song and certainly didn't choose it for himself. Of course it was taken from another team and another player. What could the Yankees possibly risk doing first?

Metallica, meanwhile gets a cut into their income if that song ends up artificially disappearing from playlists.


I used one wrestler's theme video, but this pretty much sums up the whole Yankee Universe:

[youtube]g04as9V7Z0w[/youtube]

Retail playlists that are on special "for place only channels" count towards the royalty checks? Well I guess...

So, does that mean an Enter Sandman cover can't be played either?

From the song's Wiki page:

"Enter Sandman" has been covered by many artists, including acts as diverse as Injustice (2010), Alter Bridge, Sum 41, Lemmy of Motörhead with Zebrahead, Apocalyptica, "Weird Al" Yankovic (for his "Polka Your Eyes Out" medley), Richard Cheese, The Mighty Mighty Bosstones, Reel Big Fish, Tropikal Forever, Ween, Die Krupps, Björn Again, Youn Sun Nah and Pat Boone.[50] Lemmy & Zebrahead's cover of the song was nominated for Best Metal Performance at the 42nd Grammy Awards in 2000 but lost to Black Sabbath's "Iron Man".[51] The song was also covered on the album Metallic Assault: A Tribute to Metallica, and is notable for featuring Robert Trujillo playing bass on the track several years before he became a member of Metallica. Country singer Luke Bryan routinely performs the song as part of a medley along with his own song "All My Friends Say". Widespread Panic performed the song once as part of a live set on October 31, 2007 at the Asheville Civic Center in Asheville, NC.[52] Parody band Beatallica recorded a mashup of the song and the Beatles' "Taxman" titled "Sandman", on their 2007 album Sgt. Hetfield's Motorbreath Pub Band. In October, 2011, a video of British children aged 8–10 covering the song at the Buckleberry Beer Festival as The Mini Band went viral, eventually gaining more than 6,000,000 views on YouTube.[53] Punk rock band L7 covered fragments of the song at their concerts.

Centerfield
Sep 26 2013 07:21 AM
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How ballsy of it was for Swannie to name this thread "The Dynasty Crumbles" before a single game had been played? Nicely done. I hope their winter sucks and we can be equally as confident next year.*

I can't remember the last time the MFY's were this punchless. Even as they played well early in the season, it looked like they were doing it with smoke and mirrors and were never a realistic threat. I know they have smart guys at the helm, and soon they will unload the dead weight and come back strong, but it sure is nice to enjoy this down time. $200 million just doesn't buy you as much as it used to.



*This should not be confused with the Mets' idiotic decision to run the "Your Post-Season has Come" ads in 2007. That was done either out of carelessness, or a desire to get a jump on post-season tickets (as if post-season tickets are a hard sell?). The thread naming was a bold prediction.

Ceetar
Sep 26 2013 07:34 AM
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Centerfield wrote:




*This should not be confused with the Mets' idiotic decision to run the "Your Post-Season has Come" ads in 2007. That was done either out of carelessness, or a desire to get a jump on post-season tickets (as if post-season tickets are a hard sell?). The thread naming was a bold prediction.


well, selling the tickets early is just how it's done, for printing purposes. the Yankees sold playoff tickets this year too. I don't know what slogans they used in advertising it, but I'm not sure using a twist of the season slogan can be considered idiotic, even if you think the slogan was idiotic to begin with.

Anyway, here (this is way wrong btw..10/14 is not game 7 of the World Series...)
[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-4-TIX-New-York-Yankees-World-Series-GAME-7-10-14-Yankee-Stadium-Sect-428-/271276629352?pt=US_Tickets_all_in_one&hash=item3f2958dd68

Mets – Willets Point
Sep 26 2013 08:12 AM
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It's VY Day!



If I could do photoshop I'd put Red Sox and Rays hats on their heads.

Frayed Knot
Sep 26 2013 10:29 AM
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WOW, watching the highlights of this game, Wells is awful out there in RF......messed up three catchable balls , and obviously looked useless in doing so.


And Wells is one of the guys that's signed through next season as well. As is Ichiro ... as is Soriano ... and ARod ... and Jeter ... and Sabathia ... and Teixeira.
So much for that whole younger and cheaper thing.





On the Hard Rock/Rivera thing: This PR stunt is really too trivial to even get concerned with ... but C'mon already! Statements like "a small gesture to honor one of the greatest athletes of our generation" are just too over the top to even debate.
HE WAS A FUCKING CLOSER!! A very good one, the best of all time even (given the rather small community and recent history of that ultra specialized 'position') but let's not start lumping him in with Mays, Thorpe, and Jim Brown quite yet. What sets him apart from the rest of his peers is the consistency and longevity at a position where you rarely get either. But when he missed virtually the entire season a year ago the team didn't miss a beat and it's not going to be his absence that's going to make or break the future fortunes of the Yanx.

Centerfield
Sep 26 2013 12:32 PM
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Wow. The tributes just keep rolling in.

Con Edison serves up Fried Dogs for Mo
By Darren Rovell
ESPN.com

Throughout the year, teams have honored Mariano Rivera's final season in different ways. On Thursday, Con Edison will offer its own special spin to send off the closer, who likely will be playing his last game at Yankee Stadium.

In a ceremony before Thursday night's game, Con Edison will electrocute two small Jack Russell Terriers to honor Rivera's propensity to electrocute puppies and small children.

Ben Franklin, area manager for Con Edison, felt that electrocuting two children would be "over the top. But we did consider it, after all, this is for Mo."

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 26 2013 12:34 PM
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dinosaur jesus
Sep 26 2013 12:37 PM
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Mets – Willets Point wrote:
It's VY Day!


If I could do photoshop I'd put Red Sox and Rays hats on their heads.


Here's a start.

themetfairy
Sep 26 2013 01:00 PM
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Centerfield wrote:
Wow. The tributes just keep rolling in.

Con Edison serves up Fried Dogs for Mo
By Darren Rovell
ESPN.com

Throughout the year, teams have honored Mariano Rivera's final season in different ways. On Thursday, Con Edison will offer its own special spin to send off the closer, who likely will be playing his last game at Yankee Stadium.

In a ceremony before Thursday night's game, Con Edison will electrocute two small Jack Russell Terriers to honor Rivera's propensity to electrocute puppies and small children.

Ben Franklin, area manager for Con Edison, felt that electrocuting two children would be "over the top. But we did consider it, after all, this is for Mo."



Bullet Clip of Cool!

Mets Guy in Michigan
Sep 26 2013 02:31 PM
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Centerfield wrote:
Wow. The tributes just keep rolling in.

Con Edison serves up Fried Dogs for Mo
By Darren Rovell
ESPN.com

Throughout the year, teams have honored Mariano Rivera's final season in different ways. On Thursday, Con Edison will offer its own special spin to send off the closer, who likely will be playing his last game at Yankee Stadium.

In a ceremony before Thursday night's game, Con Edison will electrocute two small Jack Russell Terriers to honor Rivera's propensity to electrocute puppies and small children.

Ben Franklin, area manager for Con Edison, felt that electrocuting two children would be "over the top. But we did consider it, after all, this is for Mo."


Bad ass!

Mets – Willets Point
Sep 26 2013 03:10 PM
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I heard the Diamondbacks are hiring Mariano Rivera as a consultant for keeping unwanted people out of their pool.

MFS62
Sep 26 2013 03:26 PM
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Mets – Willets Point wrote:
I heard the Diamondbacks are hiring Mariano Rivera as a consultant for keeping unwanted people out of their pool.

Badder ass.

Later

Ashie62
Sep 26 2013 07:11 PM
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For real..Girardi is threatening to play Rivera in CF in all three games against Houston..

bmfc1
Sep 27 2013 05:02 AM
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I have no problem with Jeter and Pettitte going to the mound last night (nor do I really care, it means more to me that the Mets lost), but if an injured player is going to be allowed to go onto the playing field during a game (Jeter, of course), in violation of MLB rules, then why can't the Mets wear the NYPD and NYFD hats on 9/11? Because it's the MFYs? Because of money (MLB only wants licensed hats to be worn during a game)? I anticipate the release of a commemorative coin of the event and then the three of them signing copies of the picture for Steiner Sports. But the Mets can't wear a hat to honor fallen heroes.

Centerfield
Sep 27 2013 06:28 PM
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The Mets "can't" wear the hats because they choose not to. No one is physically restraining them.

Ashie62
Sep 27 2013 06:35 PM
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When Jeter retires he will stand at home plate with 24 teammates in line to give him a hummer..They each will only get 10 seconds...

dgwphotography
Sep 28 2013 07:19 AM
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Ashie62 wrote:
When Jeter retires he will stand at home plate with 24 teammates in line to give him a hummer..They each will only get 10 seconds...


and they will find gift baskets in their lockers...

Frayed Knot
Sep 28 2013 07:30 AM
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Isn't having Mariano Rivera pitching with a Mariano Rivera patch on his sleeve, a Mariano Rivera patch on his hat, and a retired number plaque already in the outfield just a wee bit strange?
I mean, he's not dead is he and that's just some cloned version of him pitching in his place? I figure it's either that or he enjoys getting all adorned in order to pitch in honor of himself.

Ceetar
Sep 28 2013 08:01 AM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Isn't having Mariano Rivera pitching with a Mariano Rivera patch on his sleeve, a Mariano Rivera patch on his hat, and a retired number plaque already in the outfield just a wee bit strange?
I mean, he's not dead is he and that's just some cloned version of him pitching in his place? I figure it's either that or he enjoys getting all adorned in order to pitch in honor of himself.


hmm, they don't drug test for cloning right? That'd make sense.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 28 2013 08:09 AM
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Orosco's record is very safe. Rivera loomed as a real threat until he injured his knee and then announced his retirement.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 28 2013 08:13 AM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Orosco's record is very safe. Rivera loomed as a real threat until he injured his knee and then announced his retirement.


Here are your active leaders in games pitched. K-Rod might be the next challenger to the crown.

d'Kong76
Oct 02 2013 11:44 AM
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Can we please go a month or so without Girardi and A-Rob being
in the media spotlight? I guess not.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Oct 02 2013 02:27 PM
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Centerfield wrote:
The Mets "can't" wear the hats because they choose not to. No one is physically restraining them.



I know we've covered this in other threads... but MLB has a contract, and those cut both ways. It's like saying the Mets continue to pay Bobby Bonilla because they choose to. No one is physically restraining them.

Frayed Knot
Oct 02 2013 02:28 PM
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Kong76 wrote:
Can we please go a month or so without Girardi and A-Rob being
in the media spotlight? I guess not.


Oh hell no! I want those two in the spotlight as much as possible in the off-season.

MFS62
Nov 04 2013 08:09 AM
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In case you missed it, the MFYs re-upped THE CAPTAIN for next year, paying him more than they would have had to under the option of his contract. I was going to post this in the ALCS thread because you just know this will inspire them to make the playoffs next year.
The most incredible thing was that I was able to type that without misting up.

Later

Lefty Specialist
Nov 04 2013 11:49 AM
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the MFYs re-upped THE CAPTAIN for next year, paying him more than they would have had to under the option of his contract.

Mets – Willets Point
Nov 04 2013 11:57 AM
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But he makes everyone around him better!

Centerfield
Nov 04 2013 01:06 PM
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Articles are confirming that the rumors that somehow this saves them luxury tax money are bogus. Turns out when you spend more money, it costs you more money.

Even the kids in the AT&T commercials can tell you that.

Ceetar
Nov 04 2013 02:32 PM
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The 2014 Yankee season is about Derek Jeter and a farewell tour (although I suspect he may do the Pettitte retire/unretire thing a lot), not about winning.

HahnSolo
Nov 04 2013 03:19 PM
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Ceetar wrote:
The 2014 Yankee season is about Derek Jeter and a farewell tour (although I suspect he may do the Pettitte retire/unretire thing a lot), not about winning.


I don't believe he is ready to retire. I think this time next year we are in the same situation we had three years ago when his last contract expired. And they will overpay him again. It's great.

seawolf17
Nov 04 2013 03:33 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

HahnSolo wrote:
Ceetar wrote:
The 2014 Yankee season is about Derek Jeter and a farewell tour (although I suspect he may do the Pettitte retire/unretire thing a lot), not about winning.


I don't believe he is ready to retire. I think this time next year we are in the same situation we had three years ago when his last contract expired. And they will overpay him again. It's great.

Yup. Although how funny would it be to see him do reasonably well, but have the team tank, so there's a "trade him?" air hanging around all summer?

Ceetar
Nov 04 2013 03:45 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Mets – Willets Point wrote:
But he makes everyone around him better!


Well yeah, but that's because he's their supplier.

MFS62
Nov 15 2013 09:15 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Look who's still an egotistical prick, putting himself before what may be the best for his team:
http://nypost.com/2013/11/14/jeter-my-j ... -be-ready/

Later

MFS62
Dec 16 2013 09:41 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Speaking of that egotistical prick:
http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/dish/20 ... -his-house

Later

Centerfield
Dec 17 2013 06:44 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

This is a smart policy. If I were a pro athlete I can see myself doing the same thing. Jeter is great at protecting his brand. You will never see him tweet something idiotic.

Of course, he's still an overrated ass that deserves to catch an STD.

Lefty Specialist
Dec 17 2013 06:57 AM
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I have friends at Simon & Schuster who say that Jeter Publishing is going to be a headache and a half. His publicity people are driving everything and they have no idea how the publishing business works. This is all about the Jeter Brand, and they shine the halo at every opportunity.

Ceetar
Dec 17 2013 07:55 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Centerfield wrote:
This is a smart policy. If I were a pro athlete I can see myself doing the same thing. Jeter is great at protecting his brand. You will never see him tweet something idiotic.

Of course, he's still an overrated ass that deserves to catch an STD.


catch, or give? Isn't the rumor that he gave Jessica Alba herpes?

This is why the gift basket article says he has friends sneak the girls out the back door of clubs and bars.

But hi again media double standard. If it was someone else, the media would probably be stalking him anywhere, and people visiting his house would have a decoy phone.

batmagadanleadoff
Dec 17 2013 12:52 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread



The New Normal
Robinson Cano and Mariano Rivera are gone. Derek Jeter is old. It's time to accept that 2013 wasn't a fluke: The Yankees aren't good, and they aren't getting better.
By Rany Jazayerli on December 17, 2013

Once upon a time, there were two great teams in the American League East. But one was greater: In 1998, the Boston Red Sox won 92 games, the second-most in the AL … and finished 22 games behind the New York Yankees, who won 114. That was the first of eight consecutive seasons in which the Red Sox finished second in the AL East while the Yankees finished first. It became an immutable law of baseball, right up there with "each team has 27 outs" and "closers shall not pitch in tie games." No two teams in major league history have ever finished 1-2 in as many consecutive years.

The Red Sox ended their World Series drought in 2004, but they didn't break their streak of second-place finishes until 2006, when they finished third, a single game behind the Toronto Blue Jays. The Sox really disrupted the natural order the following year, winning the division for the first time since 1995, relegating the Yankees to wild-card status, and then winning the World Series for good measure. The Yankees completed a counterrevolution in 2009, again winning the AL East ahead of the Red Sox, and then taking the World Series.

If there was a wrinkle in the Established Order of Things in the AL East as recently as a year ago, it came from the Red Sox, who in 2012 finished last for the first time in 20 years and lost their most games (93) since 1965. The Yankees, meanwhile, won the division again.

As I chronicled before last season, however, the Yankees were on the precipice of collapse. They finished in third place in 2013, missing the playoffs for just the second time in 19 years. The Red Sox, having made a convincing case that Bobby Valentine was the worst manager of the 21st century, delivered the best regular-season1 and postseason record in baseball after being freed from his clutches.

After winning their third World Series in a decade, the Red Sox appear well positioned to keep their success going. They're not a particularly old team. Last season, David Ortiz was the only lineup regular older than 32. Dustin Pedroia, one of the best second basemen in baseball, signed an extraordinarily team-friendly eight-year, $110 million extension. Boston's farm system is one of the game's best: Jackie Bradley Jr. is ready to take over in center field for the departed Jacoby Ellsbury, while phenom Xander Bogaerts, who started every game of the World Series after playing just 18 games in the regular season, is slated to replace Stephen Drew at shortstop. The melding of money and talent, the "$100 million player development machine" that former Boston GM Theo Epstein talked about more than a decade ago, continues unabated in New England.

Things in the Bronx are … not as great. As tempting as it might be to label 2013 a fluke and say the Yankees will soon return to winning 94 games every year, as they did in 11 of the previous 12 seasons, the evidence points in a different direction. Last season wasn't a fluke; it was the new normal for the Yankees, and nothing they've done this offseason changes that. If anything, the moves the Yankees have made this offseason seem guaranteed to perpetuate that reality.

Let's start by talking about the 2013 Yankees, because to understand how difficult it will be for the Yankees to return to glory, we need to understand how deep of a hole they've dug for themselves. We need to understand that last season's Yankees were both disappointing and incredibly lucky.

The 2013 Yankees won just 85 games, ending their major league–record streak of 17 consecutive years with 87 or more wins. But it could have been much worse. It should have been much worse. The Yankees were outscored in 2013 for the first time in 21 years. Their run differential was minus-21; in the last 85 seasons, they've delivered a worse run differential just five times.2

The Yankees were not a good team in 2013. Their Pythagorean record, an estimate of what their win-loss record should have been based on their runs scored and runs allowed,3 was 79-83. They won 85 games and stayed on the fringes of the playoff race for most of the year because of their incredible performance in one-run games, in which they were 30-16.

Success in one-run games comes down to two parts luck and one part bullpen. Luck, as the Baltimore Orioles showed the last two seasons,4 is fleeting. As for the bullpen: The Yankees just lost the greatest reliever in baseball history to retirement. Good luck replicating that record next year, gentlemen.

Despite playing in a park that's favorable to hitters, the Yankees finished just 10th in the league in runs scored. Age (Ichiro Suzuki was 39 and played like it), injuries (Mark Teixeira played in 15 games, Curtis Granderson in 61), the combination of both (Derek Jeter), and Shakespearean tragicomedy (Alex Rodriguez) rendered more than half of the Yankees' projected lineup useless, and the team had already punted on one of the other four spots when it let Russell Martin leave as a free agent so it could inexplicably play Chris Stewart behind the plate instead.

Even before the season began, things were so desperate that the Yankees traded for Vernon Wells — and then gave him more than 400 at-bats. Jayson Nix, Eduardo Nunez, and Lyle Overbay composed three-quarters of the team's primary infield. Of the nine players who batted the most for the Yankees in 2013, only two managed to post an OPS of even 700. The Yankees — the Yankees! — had just two everyday hitters who didn't stink.

The Yankees knew they needed to add hitters this winter, and they've done that. The sheer amount of ground their lineup has to make up, however, is staggering.



Now, let's talk about those upgrades. A year after the Yankees were unwilling to beat the Pirates' offer to Martin of $17 million for two years, they've conceded that the rules of baseball do indeed require teams to field a catcher; now, they've committed $17 million per season to Brian McCann for the next five years. McCann is obviously a better player than Martin; McCann is one of the best-hitting catchers of the last decade and has led all active catchers in home runs since he debuted in 2005. As a left-handed hitter with a pull stroke, he's perfectly suited to the new Yankee Stadium. But he'll be 30 on Opening Day, and his last two seasons were his worst since 2007.

To shore up right field and DH, meanwhile, the Yankees signed Carlos Beltran to a three-year, $45 million contract. If you're looking for someone to criticize Beltran, you need to look elsewhere. In a fair world, Beltran is already a future Hall of Famer. He's an eight-time All-Star, the premier power/speed guy of his era (he's one of just eight players in history with 300 homers and 300 steals), and arguably the greatest postseason hitter of all time. He's coming off a successful two-year stint in St. Louis, and though he turns 37 in April, he may still have some gas left in the tank. But his speed and defense have been in decline for years, and he will give back some of the runs he produces if the Yankees make him play the field.

Finally, there's the Yankees' biggest signing: Ellsbury, whom New York has guaranteed $153 million to man center field for the next seven years. Ellsbury is an excellent defender and perhaps the best base stealer in the game (in 2013 he led the AL in steals for the third time, getting caught on just four of his 56 attempts), and he was one of the best players in baseball the one year he hit for power.

That's the main question with Ellsbury, though: How can we reconcile the player who hit 32 homers in 2011 with the player who hasn't reached double-digit home runs in any other season? It wasn't just homers, either; he hit 46 doubles that year, but has no more than 31 in any other season. The Yankees are banking on their ballpark being conducive to more homers, and they might be right. But even if they are, there's also the fact that in two of the last four years, Ellsbury missed more than half the season with injuries. Like McCann, he'll be 30 during the 2014 season. He'll likely be an excellent player for several more years, but like the other free agents the Yankees signed — and like most free agents, period — he has probably already delivered his best season.

There's nothing wrong with any of these signings in isolation; all three guys are above-average players at positions of need. All three make the Yankees better. But their impact will likely be dampened by the player the Yankees let get away.

The Mariners may or may not regret guaranteeing Robinson Cano 10 years and $240 million; there's no doubt the Yankees will regret Cano's absence in 2014.

By Wins Above Replacement, Cano was the Yankees' best player in 2013 (7.6 bWAR), and in 2012 (8.5), and also in 2010 (8.2). In fact, over the past four years, Robinson Cano has been the best player in baseball:



Cano does everything well. In seven of the last eight years, he has hit .300 and delivered more than 40 doubles. He has hit 25 or more homers in five consecutive seasons. He has steadily improved his plate discipline, now walking about 50 times a year under his own power, and he has never struck out 100 times in a season. He's an above-average defender at a key defensive position. And despite playing second base, where making the double-play pivot with an oncoming runner from the blind side shortens seasons and careers, Cano has stayed incredibly healthy. Over the last seven years, he has missed 14 games — total.

Cano was worth 7.6 Wins Above Replacement in 2013. McCann, Beltran, and Ellsbury were worth 10.4 bWAR combined. Losing Cano wipes out most of the gains made by signing the other three players, and while Cano will make $24 million in Seattle next year, the Yankees will pay the other three $53 million.

It's fair to ask how the Yankees, who never let their own premier players get away and who often spend a lot of money stealing away other teams' free agents, could let the Mariners outbid them for Cano. The Yankees are always the cuckolders, never the cuckolded. When faced with the choice between throwing a ton of money at Cano or a ton of money at McCann, Beltran, and Ellsbury, the Yankees of old would have done both.

In the last 20 years, the Yankees have never let a player remotely close to Cano's stature get away. The only two premier free agents who left were Andy Pettitte and Roger Clemens, and both (a) were not nearly at Cano's level at the time, and (b) signed with Houston at least in part for family reasons.

The question is fair to ask, and the answer is fairly clear, even if it's hard to fathom: The Yankees didn't try harder to keep Cano because they don't have the money. Or, at least, they're choosing not to spend it. The Yankees, who have fielded a payroll in excess of $195 million for nine consecutive years, would like to keep their payroll for next season below $189 million, which would keep them under the luxury tax and reset their tax rate to the lowest level so that they'd pay less in taxes if they exceed the threshold in future years.

The Yankees keep sending mixed messages about whether they're committed to staying under the threshold next year, because while doing so may save them upward of $50 million in taxes in the long run, the attempt for fiscal restraint was partly responsible for them missing the 2013 playoffs, and it will probably keep them out of the playoffs in 2014. It's hard to lop $30 million off the payroll in two seasons. The Yankees have done their best, using creative accounting when they acquired both Wells and Alfonso Soriano so that most of their payroll obligations showed up on their 2013 balance sheet. For 2014, Wells counts only $2.4 million toward their payroll, Soriano only $5 million.

Even so, right now the Yankees have $172 million committed to just 13 players for next season. They will have to pay roughly $16 million to their five arbitration-eligible players, including the highly underrated Brett Gardner and new closer David Robertson. Even assuming the other seven spots end up being occupied by league-minimum players — and it's possible the Yankees have never in their history had seven minimum-wage players on their Opening Day roster — that's a commitment of roughly $192 million.



The Yankees' ace in the hole is the suspension looming over Rodriguez, as any salary he forfeits during his suspension would not count against the team's payroll for luxury tax purposes. Given that Rodriguez is supposed to make $26 million next year, and his luxury tax hit is even higher,5 that's not a minor consideration.

The problem for the Yankees is that there's really no way to know how an arbitrator will decide Rodriguez's case; both A-Rod and MLB have covered themselves in ignominy during this process. It's a fair assumption that Rodriguez will have to serve at least the same 50-game suspension that every other PED abuser has faced, which would save the Yankees about $8 million and might allow them to circumvent the luxury tax if they don't make any other moves. It's anyone's guess whether he'll get a longer suspension, however. And even if he does, by the time the arbitrator rules, free-agent season will be almost over and there won't be many players left to take the Yankees' money anyway.

These budget constraints have led to the Yankees losing out to one of the game's small-market teams on a free-agent target two years in a row. A year after Martin signed with the Pirates, the Yankees targeted Omar Infante to replace Cano at second base, but bowed out when the Kansas City Royals — the Royals! — offered Infante a four-year, $30 million contract. Instead of Infante, the Yankees will reportedly pay the modest sum of $2 million to Brian Roberts, who is currently 36 years old, hit .249/.312/.392 in 2013, and hasn't played more than 77 games in a season since 2009. Kelly Johnson, who also signed a modest one-year deal after hitting .235/.305/.410 last season, will fill in at second base when Roberts inevitably gets hurt and at third whenever Rodriguez's suspension kicks in.

Of course, that's the other A-Rod factor the Yankees don't want to discuss: They actually need him in their lineup. For all of his faults, and even at his declining age and after missing most of 2013 with injury, Rodriguez hit .244/.348/.423. Of the 17 players who batted 100 or more times for New York, only Cano managed a higher OBP.

Now, when Rodriguez misses time, Johnson or Nunez will likely fill in at third. Jeter will return for one more year at shortstop, and aside from turning 40, missing almost all of last season with an ankle injury, and playing poor defense for the last decade, this should go great. (On days when Johnson plays second base, he and Jeter will form one of the worst defensive middle infields you'll ever see on a putative contender.) The Yankees have signed Brendan Ryan as Jeter's caddie; Ryan is an absolute defensive whiz … and has hit .196/.268/.275 over the last two years. Teixeira should return to man first base, but he'll turn 34 in April and was in decline for three consecutive years before he missed almost all of last season. Soriano was excellent as the DH after coming over from the Cubs in 2013, but he'll be 38 during the 2014 season and was so bad in Chicago that the Cubs paid three-quarters of his salary just to get the Yankees to take him off their hands.

With or without Rodriguez, every member of the Yankees' projected 2014 lineup will be 30 or older. Individually, old players can have surprisingly good years; collectively, old players decline. This is a lineup in decline, and parts of it weren't that good to begin with.

I haven't even mentioned the pitching staff. CC Sabathia is 33 years old, and his average fastball velocity has dropped from 93.9 mph in 2011, to 92.4 in 2012, to 91.3 in 2013. All power pitchers have to learn to adjust to losing their fastball as they reach their 30s, and Sabathia is probably better than the guy who posted a 4.78 ERA last season, but his days as an ace may be over. Hiroki Kuroda is back for another year, but he'll be 39 this coming season and posted a 5.40 ERA in August and September. Pettitte is retired. Phil Hughes, who was certainly a disappointment in New York, has signed with the Twins. Ivan Nova, who was quietly excellent in 20 starts in 2013, is now the no. 3 starter; the last two slots in the rotation will tentatively go to David Phelps, who didn't reach the majors until he was 25 and has a 4.39 ERA in 23 career starts, and Michael Pineda, who was one of the best rookie starters in baseball two years ago — and, thanks to labrum surgery, hasn't pitched in the majors since.

The bullpen might be pretty good. It still won't have Rivera.

Looking at this roster, it's difficult to imagine the Yankees keeping the payroll below $189 million. Actually, it's unfathomable. They can't do it, because the team just isn't good enough. They have to improve by 10 wins on paper just to be on the fringes of contention, and they lost their best player, meaning they really need to make up closer to 18 wins. Ellsbury will make up a chunk of that, and McCann and Beltran will, too, but where else are the Yankees going to get better? Sure, they might be healthier this year, but can they really count on Jeter becoming just the second 40-year-old shortstop since 1950 (after Omar Vizquel in 2007) to play even 100 games at the position? And they didn't only lose Cano. Granderson, who signed with the Mets, contributed some in 2013; Hughes made 29 starts, and they weren't all terrible; even left-handed specialist Boone Logan signed elsewhere for more money.

It's possible the Steinbrenners will swallow their pride — and cancel the deposit on their next Gulfstream — and sign Ervin Santana or Matt Garza. That will certainly help the team in 2014, even as it kills profitability. Even that won't be sufficient, though, because there's simply not enough talent in New York right now.

There also isn't enough talent on the way. You'll notice that, in this entire article, I've yet to mention a single prospect or rookie who's ready to step in for the Yankees, giving them upside and youth in a nice, payroll-cleansing package. That's because they don't have any. While the Red Sox have Bogaerts and Bradley ready, the Rays have a full season of Wil Myers in store, the Blue Jays have Aaron Sanchez and Marcus Stroman, and the Orioles have the electric Manny Machado along with pitchers Kevin Gausman and Dylan Bundy, the Yankees have … bubkes. No rookies, no second-year players who might take a step forward. Their farm system is terribly weak; Jason Parks, the chief prospect guru for Baseball Prospectus, recently described it as "[Double-A catcher] Gary Sanchez and a list of interchangeable prospects with reliever profiles or bench futures." By comparison, the Red Sox's farm system is so deep that, according to Baseball America's Ben Badler, they may have as many as 10 of the top 100 prospects in baseball.

The Yankees have been spending top dollar on free agents for decades, but when they were winning they always had a core of homegrown talent around which to build. Right now, Gardner is the only home-grown hitter in the lineup who was signed in the last 15 years. Nova and Phelps are the only homegrown starters. This is an entirely store-bought team, and the store doesn't carry the inventory it used to.

That's why the Yankees' problems won't go away anytime soon. It wasn't so long ago that the free-agent market was teeming with star players in their primes. Five years ago, the Yankees signed three of them in one offseason, inking Sabathia, Teixeira, and A.J. Burnett to long-term deals, then winning the World Series the next year. But the dramatic increase in revenue throughout the game has made it possible for even small-market teams to sign their best young players to long-term deals well before those players reach free agency, meaning that by the time they do hit the open market, they're in their early 30s and declining instead of being in their late 20s and peaking. Andrew McCutchen won't be a free agent for another five years. Buster Posey is under contract until 2022. Carlos Gomez is signed for three more years. Paul Goldschmidt is under the Diamondbacks' control through the end of the decade.

The best free-agent hitters likely to reach the market next winter are Hanley Ramirez, Chase Headley, and Colby Rasmus. The best pitchers — assuming Clayton Kershaw gets his long-rumored extension with the Dodgers — are Max Scherzer, James Shields, Homer Bailey, Jon Lester, and Jake Peavy. Some of these guys are going to sign extensions before they hit the market, and the Yankees will be fighting 29 other teams for the ones who don't.

If the Yankees wanted to make a truly big splash in free agency, they could have signed the best free agent we've seen in years, the one player who might have made the difference between being a contender in 2014 and being an also-ran. You know: Robinson Cano.



The Yankees will sign someone next year, and the year after that, and the year after that. They'll need to sign as many top free agents as they can every year, however, just to keep up with the ravaging effects that age will have on their current roster. Which players in the organization can be reasonably expected to be above-average contributors in three years? Sanchez. Maybe Ellsbury and McCann. Nova, if we're feeling generous. Pineda, in an alternate universe where pitchers never get hurt.

And that's pretty much it. There simply won't be enough talent available via free agency to replenish the Yankees' needs. There's nothing on the farm. And as a result of the new CBA, the Yankees can't flex their financial muscle in the draft or on the international market. There's a perception that the new CBA hurts small-market teams that want to spend on amateur players, but it actually hurts rich teams that want to blow the market away on elite young players. Carlos Rodon, the presumptive no. 1 overall pick in the next draft, could be a better version of David Price in a perfect world. In the old days, Scott Boras6 could work his magic, tell the world that his client wants $25 million to sign, and scare away enough teams to allow Rodon to fall to wherever the Yankees are picking.

The spending limits in the new CBA make that much more difficult. If Rodon is the top player in the draft, he will almost certainly go no. 1 overall. The Yankees will have to settle for the best player on the board when they draft — and thanks to all the free agents they've signed, they will forfeit their first-round pick next year anyway.

Even signing players from Japan has become more difficult; it used to be that teams submitted a blind posting bid in an auction, but now any team that posts the $20 million maximum can negotiate freely with the player involved. When ace right-hander Masahiro Tanaka gets posted — whether it's this year or next — the Yankees will have to negotiate like everyone else. And if they do sign Tanaka, more of the money they commit to him will count against their payroll for luxury tax purposes because of the lower posting bid.

The Yankees dug their own hole by making mistakes in drafting and player development. They're even worse off now, however, because the ladders they used to climb out of a similar hole 20 years ago have been removed.

There are again two great teams in the American League East, but they're the Red Sox and the Rays. The Blue Jays and the Orioles, whom the Yankees finished ahead of in the standings for 16 consecutive years, are better than they used to be. Right now, it doesn't look like this story will have a fairy-tale ending for New York.

The culprit in the Yankees' downfall is mundane, but real: They're simply not talented enough to contend. Talent was something the Yankees could always buy in the past, but no one's selling it anymore. With few ways to acquire that ability, it looks like the Yankees will be living unhappily — if not ever after, then certainly for a lot longer than their front office and fans are prepared to stomach.

The Yankees aren't irrelevant. They'll always spend too much money and command too much media attention to be that.

They're simply not very good.


1 Well, tied with the Cardinals. Boston and St. Louis each totaled 97 regular-season wins.
2 In 1992, 1991, 1990, 1969, and 1967.

3 If you're wondering why a team's Pythagorean record should matter at all, consider that it's a better way to predict what a team's record will be the following year than the actual win-loss mark is.

4 The 2012 Orioles went 29-9 in one-run games, the highest winning percentage in such contests in major league history. This helped them to a 93-69 record and a wild-card berth despite outscoring their opponents by just seven runs. The 2013 Orioles were fundamentally better — they outscored their opponents by 36 runs — but their record in one-run games fell to 20-31, the third-worst record in the majors. They won just 85 games.

5 With the caveat that I'm not a lawyer versed in the CBA: Rodriguez is in the middle of a 10-year, $275 million contract, and for luxury tax purposes, a player's salary is averaged out equally over the length of the contract, which would make his "luxury tax" salary $27.5 million.

6 I have no idea if Boras will represent Rodon. But Rodon is the best player out there, so let's call it a safe guess.



http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/101 ... rk-yankees

Fman99
Dec 17 2013 08:08 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

That article is great. I just popped a fucking cork reading it.

dgwphotography
Dec 18 2013 03:53 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

A couple of random thoughts here:

He's an egotistical jerk, but I wish Matt Harvey would act a little more like Jeter when out in public. (I guess they're both egotistical jerks, but in different ways...)



This is just a great shot. (it would be even greater if it was of Mariano and not Cano, but a great shot none the less)

batmagadanleadoff
Dec 18 2013 03:55 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

A couple of random thoughts here:

He's an egotistical jerk, but I wish Matt Harvey would act a little more like Jeter when out in public. (I guess they're both egotistical jerks, but in different ways...)



This is just a great shot. (it would be even greater if it was of Mariano and not Cano, but a great shot none the less)


I loved that shot, too. But why do you say it's great? Let's hear a pro's opinion.

dinosaur jesus
Dec 18 2013 07:24 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

The shot makes Cano look like a god come down to earth to play in the arena built for the gods, Yankee Stadium. It that's the effect you want, then yeah, it's a great shot. The pose and the angle make him look like Michelangelo's David, which is a very Yankee statue if you think about it--the classic underdog, except he's twenty feet tall and obviously meant to win.

Ceetar
Dec 18 2013 08:20 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

dgwphotography wrote:
A couple of random thoughts here:

He's an egotistical jerk, but I wish Matt Harvey would act a little more like Jeter when out in public. (I guess they're both egotistical jerks, but in different ways...)


Most players are really.

But hell, I want Matt Harvey to act like Matt Harvey. (Maybe he's acting a little like Ralph Kiner? hmm..) I'll enjoy the off the field silliness, it's not like he's actually done anything wrong. Thought the Qualcomm thing was stupid, but whatever.

Much rather enjoy him like that than Jeter's pansiness that he's so afraid of being thought of as human or fallible that he freaks out at the idea of someone taking his picture and runs away from the media as soon as possible.

But ideally the Mets will win the World Series next year (and this, but irrelevant to the Harvey angle) and he'll forever be that god that can do no wrong, even if he plays like an aging statue at a prime defensive position and really doesn't hit all that well for half a decade.

batmagadanleadoff
Dec 18 2013 08:50 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

A couple of random thoughts here:

He's an egotistical jerk, but I wish Matt Harvey would act a little more like Jeter when out in public. (I guess they're both egotistical jerks, but in different ways...)


Most players are really.... Thought the Qualcomm thing was stupid, but whatever. ...


He's a fucking douche and a half. But he's my douche. So I love him. Just like I loved Lenny Dykstra. Still, there's no doubt in my mind that but for his injury, Harvey was on his way to releasing a leaked sex web video with his Russian model girlfriend.

http://deadspin.com/matt-harveys-interv ... 1341644182

dgwphotography
Dec 18 2013 09:14 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

A couple of random thoughts here:

He's an egotistical jerk, but I wish Matt Harvey would act a little more like Jeter when out in public. (I guess they're both egotistical jerks, but in different ways...)



This is just a great shot. (it would be even greater if it was of Mariano and not Cano, but a great shot none the less)


I loved that shot, too. But why do you say it's great? Let's hear a pro's opinion.


The rule of thirds. If you divide the picture into thirds (basically drawing a tic tac toe board over it) you see that Cano fits nicely in the right third of the frame. The bank of lights curving toward him from the upper left corner leads your eye perfectly to him. Add in the Cobalt blue sky of the magic hour, and it's a great shot. I didn't even get into the angle of the shot...

dgwphotography
Dec 18 2013 09:24 AM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
He's a fucking douche and a half. But he's my douche. So I love him. Just like I loved Lenny Dykstra. Still, there's no doubt in my mind that but for his injury, Harvey was on his way to releasing a leaked sex web video with his Russian model girlfriend.


I despised Dykstra. It seemed like he had a stool in his mouth whenever he was on the field - just disgusting. Even though it was a bad trade, I was not sad to see Dykstra and McDowell go.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 18 2013 09:43 AM
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That's not a pro analysis. That's a pro's pro analysis!

Vic Sage
Dec 18 2013 02:13 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 18 2013 03:08 PM

The MFYs add Brian Roberts and Matt Thornton... and they just keep getting older and more expensive:

CF - Ellsbury (30/$22m)
SS - Jeter (40/$12m) / Ryan (32/$2m)
RF - Beltran (37/$15m) / Ichiro (40/$6.5m)
1b - Texiera (34/$22.5m)
3b -[A-Rod (38/$25m) - may be suspended]/ Nunez (27/?)
C - McCann (30/$17m) / Cervelli (28/~$1m)
DH - Soriano (38/$5m) / Wells (35/$2.4m)
LF - Gardner (32/~$4m)
2b - Roberts (36/$2m) / Johnson (32/$3m)

SP - Sabathia (33/$22m)
SP - Kuroda (39/$16M)
SP - Nova (27/~$3m)
SP - [Pineda] (25/~$?)
SP - [Phelps] (27/~?)

RP - Robertson (29/~$3m)
RP - Kelley (30/~$2m)
RP - Eppley (28/~?)
RP - Thornton (37/$3.5m)
RP - Warren (26/~?) / Claiborne (26/~?)
RP/SP -[Huff] (29/~?)

Edgy MD
Dec 18 2013 02:18 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Is all this Harvey stuff in relation to him watching a basketball game?

Ceetar
Dec 18 2013 02:46 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Edgy MD wrote:
Is all this Harvey stuff in relation to him watching a basketball game?


If by "all this" you mean one radio personality saying something and everyone else feeling like they then have to say something, yes.

Edgy MD
Dec 18 2013 02:48 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

I mean the exchange in this thread.

Ashie62
Dec 18 2013 08:39 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

The MFYs add Brian Roberts and Matt Thornton... and they just keep getting older and more expensive:

CF - Ellsbury (30/$22m)
SS - Jeter (40/$12m) / Ryan (32/$2m)
RF - Beltran (37/$15m) / Ichiro (40/$6.5m)
1b - Texiera (34/$22.5m)
3b -[A-Rod (38/$25m) - may be suspended]/ Nunez (27/?)
C - McCann (30/$17m) / Cervelli (28/~$1m)
DH - Soriano (38/$5m) / Wells (35/$2.4m)
LF - Gardner (32/~$4m)
2b - Roberts (36/$2m) / Johnson (32/$3m)

SP - Sabathia (33/$22m)
SP - Kuroda (39/$16M)
SP - Nova (27/~$3m)
SP - [Pineda] (25/~$?)
SP - [Phelps] (27/~?)

RP - Robertson (29/~$3m)
RP - Kelley (30/~$2m)
RP - Eppley (28/~?)
RP - Thornton (37/$3.5m)
RP - Warren (26/~?) / Claiborne (26/~?)
RP/SP -[Huff] (29/~?)



I appreciate their willingness to spend. It's only money...

Frayed Knot
Dec 18 2013 09:09 PM
Re: The Dynasty Crumbles - the 2013 MFY Thread

Of course their "willingness" to spend money is more or less proportional to their revenue stream of money.



P.S. Add to the above figures a luxury tax bill for the 2013 season of $28 million.