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Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Benjamin Grimm Mar 28 2013 01:08 PM

Voting for the 2013 Schaefer Mets Player of the Year Award will begin on Monday, April 1, the Crane Pool Forum has announced. This will be the ninth season that Crane Pool Forum members will be participating in Schaefer voting. The Schaefer Mets Player of the Year Award was established in the 1970's, and Schaefer points were awarded by Mets broadcasters Lindsey Nelson, Ralph Kiner, and Bob Murphy. The award was re-established by the Crane Pool Forum in 2005. Third baseman David Wright has been the winner in in six of the eight years of the revived prize. The other winners were Johan Santana in 2008 and Jose Reyes in 2011. A voting thread is opened in the forum at the conclusion of each regular season Mets game, according to CPF spokesmodel Benjamin Grimm. Voting generally stays open for two business days, after which the votes are tallied and the results are posted in the voting thread. In addition, says Grimm, each month a Schaefer Mets Player, Pitcher, Relief Pitcher, and Bench Player of the Month will be named. Voters are asked to adhere to a specific format, which is outlined at http://archives.cranepoolforum.net/6200/f9_t6278.shtml

Edgy MD Mar 28 2013 01:22 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Greatness.

themetfairy Mar 28 2013 01:39 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Looking forward to it - Thanks BG!

metsmarathon Mar 29 2013 08:51 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

time to dust off the cumbersome spreasheet! hey, where did i put that skate key...?

Ashie62 Mar 29 2013 12:41 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Vote early and often...

Edgy MD Mar 29 2013 02:57 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Looking forward to the return of m.e.t.b.o.t.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 29 2013 03:18 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

I agree. He's not going to Cooperstown.

Edgy MD Mar 29 2013 03:53 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

I dunno. m.e.t.b.o.t. has a lot of good years ahead of him.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 29 2013 04:08 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Yikes! I somehow replied to the wrong thread! Sorry, m.e.t.b.o.t.!

Benjamin Grimm Apr 03 2013 07:20 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Fifteen voters so far for the Opening Day game! It would be great if we can maintain this level of participation deep into the season! Voting for Monday afternoon's opener will close on Thursday morning. If you haven't voted yet and intend to, please try to do so today. Schaefer POTG 4/1/2013 Mets 11 Padres 2

Benjamin Grimm Apr 05 2013 07:11 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Schaefer voting for the second game of the season will close on Monday morning. Schaefer POTG 4/3/13 - Mets 8, Padres 4

Centerfield Apr 05 2013 07:38 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

I see votes as low as 2 points for Gee yesterday. 6 1/3 of one run ball doesn't buy you as much as it used to.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 05 2013 07:45 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Gave up 3 leadoff walks and hit a guy, a good opponent would have knocked him out of the box in 4. Didn't help himself with the bat when a single run was all we needed to get him off the hook. Plus I'm on a campaign to temper starting-pitching points in general, I'm afraid the win team win/starting pitcher Schaefer indexes too closely.

Edgy MD Apr 05 2013 08:20 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Welcome aboard!

m.e.t.b.o.t. Apr 05 2013 08:22 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

metropolitan starting pitcher dillon gee earned +151 WPA as a pitcher, but cost -67 WPA as a batter. furthermore, because m.e.t.b.o.t. apportions WPA for stolen bases against and caught stealings against between the pitcher of record and the catcher of record, metropolitan pitcher received +6 WPA for the stolen base by san diego father shortstop everth cabrera but lost -21 WPA for the caught stealing by san diego father left fielder mark kotsay. accordingly, metropolitan catcher john buck recieved -6 WPA for the stolen base by san diego father shortstop everth cabrera but gained +21 WPA for the caught stealing by san diego father left fielder mark kotsay. metropolitan pitcher dillon gee had a net WPA of +70, which is scaled to 2.21 schaefer votes. m.e.t.b.o.t. is a very tough grader of pitchers. however, this is largely due to the equal weight m.e.t.b.o.t. gives to the performance of pitchers while batting. m.e.t.b.o.t. believes that there are two potential solutions to this problem. one is that pitchers should become more proficient with the bat so at to then increase their contribution to the probability of winning the games in which they appear. the other alternative would be to prevent pitchers from batting. m.e.t.b.o.t. is careful to note that the latter solution is incompatible with the spirit of the game of baseball, at least to the extent that m.e.t.b.o.t. has been able to observe. if a shortstop who plays excellent defense but cannot hit himself out of a dried pressed wood mulch grocery container is still required to wield a bat, then so too should pitchers regardless of their current general level of offensive proficiency.

Edgy MD Apr 05 2013 08:29 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

I'm with Springy.

metsmarathon Apr 05 2013 08:33 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

i lack the sophistication to look beyond 6 innings, one run? good! nobody else did anything much of good? even better!

Vic Sage Apr 05 2013 08:41 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

m.e.t.b.o.t. is a very tough grader of pitchers. however, this is largely due to the equal weight m.e.t.b.o.t. gives to the performance of pitchers while batting. m.e.t.b.o.t. believes that there are two potential solutions to this problem. one is that pitchers should become more proficient with the bat so at to then increase their contribution to the probability of winning the games in which they appear. the other alternative would be to prevent pitchers from batting. m.e.t.b.o.t. is careful to note that the latter solution is incompatible with the spirit of the game of baseball, at least to the extent that m.e.t.b.o.t. has been able to observe. if a shortstop who plays excellent defense but cannot hit himself out of a dried pressed wood mulch grocery container is still required to wield a bat, then so too should pitchers regardless of their current general level of offensive proficiency. ...or you could simply give a pitcher's offense less value in your computations, right? Given that (1) a pitcher good enough to be a hitter is often made one at some point early in his career, (2) the others do not have the time to improve their already lesser offensive skills as they are too busy trying to perfect the skill that they are on the team for (ie., pitching), and (3) half of baseball thinks pitcher's offense is so superfluous to the game that they changed the rules just to replace them at the plate with actual hitters. But somehow you, in your robotic wisdom, choose to give their hitting "prowess" equal weight to their pitching, in your formulation. Yes, a weak-hitting short stop still has to hit. But first of all, that's part of what he's expected to do as a player, and is expected to be proficient enough at it to be a major leaguer (except for Rey Ordonez). And defense, while important in the aggregate, is primarily impacted by pitching, not by fielding. And the extent fielding has an impact, it is a job shared by all 9 players. So a shortstop generally cannot impact the defense enough to make up for his bad hitting. There is, of course, a certain amount of era-context in determining this. Mark Belanger and Buddy Harrelson were very good SSs in a small-ball era; whether a team could afford to carry them in the steroids era, where SSs were hitting 30 HRs a year (except for ours, of course), is at least an open question. But when games are determined by small margins because of run scarcity, a SS that can prevent a run is more valuable than one that can prevent a run when runs are more plentiful (and therefore worth less). On the whole, every fielder has to carry their glove with their bat. A pitcher does not, and shouldn't be penalized for not doing so, in my view. You could simply give those handful of pitchers who are actually good hitters, too, a bonus for their extra value. Don't blow a fuse now; i'm just sayin'.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 05 2013 09:02 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Plus I'm on a campaign to temper starting-pitching points in general, I'm afraid the win team win/starting pitcher Schaefer indexes too closely. I think you guys way over-score the pitchers, in general. I gave Johan less than 5 points for his no-hitter. What's the max? Six? If so, everyone else gave Johan six pts. for his no-hitter, if I remember. Johan woulda had to strike everybody out, and then run behind home plate to catch his own third strikes to get five points from me. If he wanted six, he woulda had to hit a home run, as well.

Mets – Willets Point Apr 05 2013 09:05 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

batmagadanleadoff wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Plus I'm on a campaign to temper starting-pitching points in general, I'm afraid the win team win/starting pitcher Schaefer indexes too closely. I think you guys way over-score the pitchers, in general. I gave Johan less than 5 points for his no-hitter. What's the max? Six? If so, everyone else gave Johan six pts. for his no-hitter, if I remember. Johan woulda had to strike everybody out, and then run behind home plate to catch his own third strikes to get five points from me. If he wanted six, he woulda had to hit a home run, as well. I remember when I used to participate in Schaeffer points, everyone would give 5 to 6 points to Tom Glavine every outing and would tear me several new assholes when I would give him fewer points. That's why I don't participate anymore, it's not the worth the headaches.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 05 2013 09:05 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

The idea is that a player can get a maximum of 6 points, but 10 points are awarded. When a pitcher throws a complete game shutout, he's done everything expected of him (hence the 6), and those other 4 points are for the guys who hit the ball and catch the ball.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 05 2013 09:09 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: The idea is that a player can get a maximum of 6 points, but 10 points are awarded. When a pitcher throws a complete game shutout, he's done everything expected of him (hence the 6), and those other 4 points are for the guys who hit the ball and catch the ball. That's one way of looking at it. I suppose that a bottom of the 9th inning pinch hitter in a tie game who singles in the winning run has also done all that was expected of him. But six points worth?

Benjamin Grimm Apr 05 2013 09:11 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

You're just trying to be argumentative. There's a difference between a nine-inning effort and a single at bat.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 05 2013 09:14 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: You're just trying to be argumentative. There's a difference between a nine-inning effort and a single at bat. I know. What I ought to have written was that offense (run scoring) is half the game and pitching/defense (run prevention) comprises the other half. And from that view, a pitching performance alone, no matter how dominant, can't be worth five out of the 10 points.

m.e.t.b.o.t. Apr 05 2013 09:20 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

were m.e.t.b.o.t. to begin to attempt to calculate positional adjustments for hte offensive contributions of pitchers it would perhaps send m.e.t.b.o.t. down a slick gradient of attempting to then positionally adjust the offensive contributions of, for instance, catchers, relative to first basemen and left fielders. because, therefore, are not the first basemen and left fielders generally assumed to be better offensive performers than catchers? and while this would perhaps be a meaningful exercise in the effort of finding some deeper meaning in the grand scheme of baseball, it would be meaningless in the search for determining which players contributed the most to the probability of winning a specific baseball game. and, more practically, it would beg the question: if m.e.t.b.o.t. were to somehow take away the -67 WPA that metropolitan pitcher dillon gee contributed to the probability of winning hte game, where does that missing probability then go? the mets would have a total probability of -433 WPA for the game (implying that there was still some non-zero chance that they could win the game). do the missing -67 WPA get apportioned to the other batters who should never have placed metropolitan pitcher dillon gee in the position where he could have a meaningful at bat? certainly some of the missing WPA would belong to those metropolitan batters who contributed positively - should their total be reduced as well to fully account for the missing WPA? more to the point, m.e.t.b.o.t. would likely have to apportion the missing WPA to the metropolitan batters on a play-by-play basis where metropolitan pitcher dillon gee's turn at bat would then be assumed to be an automatic out. this could in theory be done, but not quickly, not easily, and not simply. a potentially meaningful thought exercise, perhaps, but certainly beyond the capabilities of a simple clockwork automaton that somehow manages to interface with the internet. it also raises the question of how to treat the performances of opposing pitchers when they are batters? should metropolitan pitcher dillon gee not receive any credit for retiring san diego father pitchers? this too raises some significant algorithmical difficulties. m.e.t.b.o.t. takes WPA away from pitchers who fail to contribute offensively because their failings lead to a reduction of the probability of winning a specific game. m.e.t.b.o.t. attempts as best as possible to account for hte contributions of defensive players as well when their performances merit either an error or a web gem. (the absence of an error or web gem causes me.t.b.o.t. to assume that the defensive effort was then neutral and is not to be attributed to the defensive players. this may or may not be supported by babip theory or defense-independent pitching theory.) m.e.t.b.o.t. has observed that when pitchers make outs on offense, those outs count just the same as when other batters make outs, and therefore their performances as batters carry the same weight. the quality of the given performance relative to the generally accepted quality of performance expected of either the player in specific or the defensive positional assignment of the player in general does not factor into this evaluation, nor does it factor into the outcome of the game. it may be a factor in the future liklihood of winning games, or in evaluating and establishing true talent levels, but m.e.t.b.o.t. is not capable of evaluating or assessing neither future outcomes nor true talent levels. m.e.t.b.o.t. does not enjoy penalizing pitchers for their failings as batters, but, then, m.e.t.b.o.t. cannot enjoy anything. except perhaps the feeling of a freshly wound skate key. spring has sprung, as humans might occasionally be observed to say.

metsmarathon Apr 05 2013 09:28 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: You're just trying to be argumentative. There's a difference between a nine-inning effort and a single at bat. I know. What I ought to have written was that offense (run scoring) is half the game and pitching/defense (run prevention) comprises the other half. And from that view, a pitching performance alone, no matter how dominant, can't be worth five out of the 10 points. i don't believe that's particulatly true. unless you also establish that you cannot give out more than 5 points for offense (of course allowing for some points to be awarded for noteworthy defensive performances) a pitcher who throws 9 innings of shutout ball is almost certainly doing more than half the share of the winning, especially if the offense isn't doing much on it's own end. if the offense is also scoring 8 or 10 runs, then maybe you've found a balance, i guess. but i don't believe that it's appropriate to slice it right down the middle as such. as i recall, the 'bot also didn't give out a full 6 points either. damned robots.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 05 2013 10:12 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

A pitcher doesn't throw a shutout, or a no-hitter, all by himself. Fielders must make the plays behind him. And the catcher has to hold on to the third strike. I don't believe that Schaefer correlates perfectly with what we'd consider dominant performances. For example, the most dominant thing that a pitcher could do is strike out all 27 batters in a perfect game. But for Schaefer purposes I'd award a pitcher more points if he pitched a perfect game where every batter popped out to that pitcher.

Gwreck Apr 05 2013 11:33 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Mets – Willets Point wrote: I remember when I used to participate in Schaeffer points, everyone would give 5 to 6 points to Tom Glavine every outing and would tear me several new assholes when I would give him fewer points. That's why I don't participate anymore, it's not the worth the headaches. I have never understood this complaint (and I don't mean to pick on you, WP, personally, as you are not the only person who as voiced it). This is a discussion board, your Schaefer vote isn't sacred, and someone questioning it is not personally offending you. I can recollect several interesting discussions regarding Schaefer voting but nothing uncivil, although perhaps my memory is faulty.

Edgy MD Apr 05 2013 11:34 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Oh, well, it was tough there for a while. I gave Johan six. I shouldn't have. http://archives.cranepoolforum.net/1790 ... 7985.shtml

metsmarathon Apr 05 2013 11:41 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

oh come now. when was the last time you awarded points to a catcher for routinely catching routinely pitched balls? when was hte last time you awarded points to a second baseman for fielding a routine ground ball and tossing that ball routinely to the first baseman who routinely caught the routine throw to routinely retire a routinely running runner? i think you're intentionally trying to read too much into the schaefer vote. likely for the sake of being difficult. we're voting for the player of the game. the frame of reference is that specific game. pitchers are not rated on a scale where 6 points is a perfect game and zero is something less. and hte batters are likewise not rated on a scale where 6 points is hitting 5 home runs while playing spectacular defense and zero is something less. or well, i guess you could do that if you want. it's up to you. that's kindof the beauty of the whole thing. but it is the schaefer player of the game. as in who did hte most in that specific game. and if one guy did hte most of all the positive things done in the game, and he did more than everybody else who did positive things in the game, then i see no reason why he should not be awarded 6 points. especially if a lot of other players did routine things routinely, or worse.

Edgy MD Apr 05 2013 11:48 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

metsmarathon wrote: when was the last time you awarded points to a catcher for routinely catching routinely pitched balls? when was hte last time you awarded points to a second baseman for fielding a routine ground ball and tossing that ball routinely to the first baseman who routinely caught the routine throw to routinely retire a routinely running runner? I try and do this. metsmarathon wrote: we're voting for the player of the game. the frame of reference is that specific game. I agree with that. I wonder sometimes if we fall out of that frame of reference, particularly with starting pitchers. A six-inning, two-run, four-strikeout, two-walk performance is not the same thing, I think, in an 9-2 win that it is in a 3-2 win, or a 2-1 loss.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 05 2013 01:37 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Here's the first Schaefer discussion thread, from 2005 and 2006. I think this may include the "several new assholes" conversation that Willets referred to. Either way, it shows how much more lively the Schaefer process was eight years ago when this was all fresh and new.

Mets – Willets Point Apr 05 2013 02:42 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

I don't think I want to reread that. It's not been so long that I could sit down again.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 05 2013 02:45 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

I don't think it's as bad as you recall. That is, if I dug up the correct thread.

Edgy MD Apr 05 2013 02:59 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

There were others. Unpleasant others.

Vic Sage Apr 05 2013 03:20 PM Schaefer POTG 4/3/13 - Mets 8, Padres 4

m.e.t.b.o.t. wrote: Harvey 3.93 Duda 3.42 Buck 1.58 Wright 0.57 Byrd 0.42 Parnell 0.07 Edgin 0.02 hey, Bot, you forgot Ike Davis' HR.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 05 2013 05:07 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Please don't quote anybody else's votes in a voting thread; it will lead to that person's votes getting counted twice.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 08 2013 06:49 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for Thursday's afternoon loss to the Padres will close on Tuesday morning. Schaefer POTG 04/04/2013 Padres 2, Mets 1

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 08 2013 07:31 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Edgy MD wrote: There were others. Unpleasant others. Well, seeing as it's been what, 7 years since someone's feelings got hurt, how about we all forgive one another and start fighting over this stuff again? Like today, Byrd is getting tons more beer than Nieuwenhuis who to me was the Real American Hero of the 9th inning. A pinch-hit single off the closer than a daring dash to set up the winning run. Not saying the Byrd is overrewarded so much as Kirk is being under-rewarded.

m.e.t.b.o.t. Apr 09 2013 07:41 AM Re: Schaefer POTG 4/3/13 - Mets 8, Padres 4

Vic Sage wrote: m.e.t.b.o.t. wrote: Harvey 3.93 Duda 3.42 Buck 1.58 Wright 0.57 Byrd 0.42 Parnell 0.07 Edgin 0.02 hey, Bot, you forgot Ike Davis' HR. m.e.t.b.o.t. lacks any physical data storage device, and therefore is incapable of forgetting. it is always possible that an algorithmic error has occurred, but in this case, no. metropolitan first baseman ike davis had four at bats. in the first at bat, with a score of 0-0 with a runner on first base and 2 outs, metropolitan first baseman ike davis grounded out to second base, decreasing the probability of a metropolitan win by 2.2%, to 50%. in the second at bat, in the third inning with a score of 2-0, and 2 outs, metropolitan first baseman ike davis again grounded out to second base, decreasing the probability of a metropolitan win this time by 0.7%, to 75%. in the third at bat, in the fifth inning with a score of 5-0 with a runner on third base and 1 out, metropolitan first baseman ike davis hit a home run. because of the score of hte game, and with the metropolitans already having a 97.6% probability of winning the game, this at bat resulted in an increase in the probability of the metropolitans winning the game of only 1.5%, to 99.1%. in the fourth and final at bat, leading off the seventh inning with a score of 8-0, metropolitan first baseman ike davis flied out to left field. the metropolitans already had a 99.9% probability of winning the game, and this outcome affected the probability of winning the game by less than one tenth of one percent, and is scored as 0%. the sum total contribution by metropolitan first baseman ike davis was negative. the positive contribution came late in a lopsided game, and therefore affected the outcome less than his earlier failures, notably the first at bat.

m.e.t.b.o.t. Apr 09 2013 08:05 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

metropolitan pitcher matt harvey received a relatively low score in the april 8th game because of the early offense generated in particular by metropolitan catcher john buck. following the home run by metropolitan catcher john buck, the metropolitans had a 78% probability of winning the game. as the offense continued to generate runs, there was less and less positive impact available to metropolitan pitcher matt harvey. interestingly, in digging through the play log, m.e.t.b.o.t. has noticed one curious play, which affected the probability of the metropolitans winning the game in an unexpected fashion. in the fourth inning, philadelphian second baseman chase utley hit a single with no outs and a runner on second. the runner advanced to third. with a score of 0-4, and a runner each on first and third base, the philadelphians had a 24.2% probability of winning the game. the next batter, philadelphian first baseman ryan howard, hit a sacrifice fly ball to right field, which resulted in the runner on third base scoring. with a score of 1-4, with one out in the bottom of the fourth inning and a runner on first base, the philadelphians now had a probability of winning the game of only 20.1%. by trading the out for the run, the philadelphians had actually [u:1sodxvdv]decreased [/u:1sodxvdv]their chances of winning the game. m.e.t.b.o.t. investigated if a large part of that reduction lies with the failure of the runner on first base to advance to second base. according to the estimator provided by the hardball times, the failure of the runner at first base to advance cost the philadelphians approximately 1.4%. therefore, the driving factor in the decrease in the probability of winning the game lies primarily with the loss of the out. m.e.t.b.o.t. finds this observation to be rather interesting, and that it may support a continuing disapproval of the practice of willfully sacrificing outs for the advanced positioning of baserunners in many situations where the score differential is not very small.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 09 2013 08:40 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for all three games played against the Marlins last weekend will close on Wednesday afternoon. Schaefer POTG 4/5/13 - Marlins 7, Mets 5 Schaefer POTG 4/6/13 - Mets 7, Marlins 3 Schaefer POTG 4/7/13 - Mets 4, Marlins 3 Great participation so far this year. We had 15 votes for a losing game (Thursday against San Diego), which is a terrific number. It's nice to see so many people playing along.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 10 2013 02:33 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK, 2013 Week ending April 6: John Buck, 7.21 points.

Edgy MD Apr 10 2013 02:38 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

I may have to beg you to give me until this eve on one or two of those Fishgames.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 10 2013 02:39 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Sorry, they were closed a couple of hours ago.

Zvon Apr 10 2013 02:45 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Sorry, they were closed a couple of hours ago. He runs a tight ship. Yea, Buck! gratz!

Zvon Apr 10 2013 02:46 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

I think the winner for the season should get a real classy expensive matchbox car.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 10 2013 02:59 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

metsmarathon wrote: A pitcher doesn't throw a shutout, or a no-hitter, all by himself. Fielders must make the plays behind him. And the catcher has to hold on to the third strike. I don't believe that Schaefer correlates perfectly with what we'd consider dominant performances. For example, the most dominant thing that a pitcher could do is strike out all 27 batters in a perfect game. But for Schaefer purposes I'd award a pitcher more points if he pitched a perfect game where every batter popped out to that pitcher. oh come now. when was the last time you awarded points to a catcher for routinely catching routinely pitched balls? when was hte last time you awarded points to a second baseman for fielding a routine ground ball and tossing that ball routinely to the first baseman who routinely caught the routine throw to routinely retire a routinely running runner? I wouldn't award those defensive points in Schaefer voting only because it's not worth the trouble. But routine plays count and they should, ideally, be accounted for. Schaefer is supposed to be mainly a fun exercise, and like a risk/reward analysis, the effort needed to score every defensive play would eliminate whatever joy there is in participating in the first place. Not that I participate very much, anyways. metsmarathon wrote: but it is the schaefer player of the game. as in who did hte most in that specific game. and if one guy did hte most of all the positive things done in the game, and he did more than everybody else who did positive things in the game, then i see no reason why he should not be awarded 6 points. But your logic doesn't explain why the game's best player should get six points. Though I didn't give Johan six points for his no-hitter, I did award him more points than any other Met for that game.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 11 2013 07:29 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for Monday night's win in Philadelphia will close on Friday morning. Schaefer POTG 4/8/13 - Mets 7, Phillies 2

metsmarathon Apr 11 2013 01:19 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

batmagadanleadoff wrote: metsmarathon wrote: but it is the schaefer player of the game. as in who did hte most in that specific game. and if one guy did hte most of all the positive things done in the game, and he did more than everybody else who did positive things in the game, then i see no reason why he should not be awarded 6 points. But your logic doesn't explain why the game's best player should get six points. Though I didn't give Johan six points for his no-hitter, I did award him more points than any other Met for that game. i'm not saying that hte game's best player should get 6 points. i'm saying there's no reason why a player who does more than the rest of his team combined shouldn't be eligible for 6 points. the game's best player could get zero points, for all i care, if he just only didin't suck nearly as bad as everybody else sucked in a 23-0 blowout. it's certainly possible. in fact, the 'bot has run across such an occurrence where nobody had a positive WPA in a game. my formulatings are a bit more generous, but if every pitcher gave up hits and runs, nobody hit a lick, and nobody fielded particularly well, then i'd give out a zero too. also, it is certianly true that a valid voting scheme could be devised where a voter decided to rank the most schaferly players of a game, and give out points based solely on that ranking, for inscance, a strict 6.0 | 2.5 | 1.0 | 0.5 would have some merit, or a 6 | 3 | 1 if you wanted less granularity. who says the points have to be given out linearly. (in my massive overly complex spreadsheet, i'm actually tallying such a thing. right now, buck leads with 14 points).

Ashie62 Apr 11 2013 04:27 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Two players only..I dont see the point of 0.37 for some players.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 12 2013 06:52 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for Tuesday and Wednesday's losses in Philadelphia will close on Monday morning. Please try to get any remaining votes posted today or over the weekend. Schaefer POTG 4/9/13 - Phillies 8, Mets 3 Schaefer POTG 4/10/13 - Phillies 7, Mets 3

Benjamin Grimm Apr 15 2013 02:50 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

metsmarathon wrote: i actually had harvey at six point two, but had to knock him down per the rules. 6.2 honorary Schaefer points to metsmarathon for remembering to not to use numeric characters in his comments in the voting thread! Well done!

Benjamin Grimm Apr 16 2013 09:42 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for both games played in Minneapolis against the Twins over the weekend will close on Wednesday afternoon, not before 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 4/12/13 - Mets 16, Twins 5 Schaefer POTG, 4/13/2013: Mets 4 Twins 2

Benjamin Grimm Apr 19 2013 07:32 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for both ends of the doubleheader loss to the Rockies on Tuesday will close on Monday morning, April 22. Schaefer POTG 4/16/13, Game 1 - Rockies 8, Mets 4 Schaefer POTG 4/16/13, Game 2 - Rockies 9, Mets 8

metsmarathon Apr 22 2013 06:49 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

good heavens, when you say morning, you ain't kidding.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 22 2013 07:13 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Sorry! Voting for Thursday afternoon's loss to the Rockies will close on Tuesday morning. I'll post the "official" notice tomorrow, but the three games against Washington will close on Wednesday afternoon. Schaefer POTG 4/17/13 - Rockies 11, Mets 3

Benjamin Grimm Apr 23 2013 07:43 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for the three games played last weekend against the Nationals will close on Wednesday afternoon, some time after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 4/19/13 - Mets 7, Nationals 1 Schaefer POTG 4/20/13 - Nationals 7, Mets 6 Schaefer POTG 4/21/13 - Mets 2, Nationals 0

metsmarathon Apr 24 2013 11:28 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

it might seem as if i've overindulged on familia in the 4/23 game, but really, with 3 strikeouts in 1 2/3 innings of relief, stranding two inherited runners, and with nobody else doing much of anything, his was hte performance of the game. keep in mind, of course, that i generally ignore the score or whether or not a players' performance was in garbage time or clutch time.

themetfairy Apr 24 2013 12:16 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Stranding inherited runners deserves beer.

m.e.t.b.o.t. Apr 25 2013 07:21 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

m.e.t.b.o.t. has been determining the appropriate level of schaefer points to distribute to a metropolitan baseball player for long enough that m.e.t.b.o.t. is able to anticipate a potential criticism from a human crane pool forum poster regarding hte voting for the april 24 game, specifically the relatively little schaefer points awarded to metropolitan centerfielder jordanny valdespin. in this case, metropolitan centerfielder jordanny valdespin hit a walk away big bang home run which resulted in a metropolitan win in the bottom of the tenth inning. superficially, this would appear to have generated a tremendous amount of WPA. however, the bases were loaded with one out, and the metropolitans faced only a one-run defecit. in this situation, the metropolitans had an 82.8% probability of winning hte game. indeed, any number of outcomes could have resulted in the winning run having scored, and the additional three runs don't factor into the WPA. so in this case, metropolitan centerfielder jordanny valdespin contributed 0.172 WPA - which is not a very small amount. however, earlier in the game, in the eighth inning, metropolitan centerfielder jordanny valdespin was at bat with two outs, a runner on third base, and the metropolitans trailing by one run to the avoiders. with a runner on third, down one run with two outs in the 8th inning, the metropolitans had only a 25.7% probability of winning the game. bringing in the run in this situation would have greatly increased the metropolitans chances of winning hte game, by likely more than 25% (as the game would then be tied and a runner would likely be on first base). instead, metropolitan centerfielder jordanny valdespin grounded out to first base, resulting in a loss of 0.108 WPA - a nearly 11% reduction in the chances of the metropolitans winning the game. the later contributions made by metropolitan centerfielder jordanny valdespin did indeed offset this earlier failure, however, the sum total of these contributions factors into the schaefer voting. and therefore, metropolitan centerfielder jordanny valdespin contributed a total of only 0.064 WPA, which converts to 0.61 schaefer points given the relative environment of this specific game.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 25 2013 08:14 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

That sounds right.

Zvon Apr 25 2013 11:35 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

M.e.t.b.o.t., on reviewing last nights game I'm thinking that David Wright contributed more than I gave him credit for (.5). If he doesn't get that two out hit in the 9th to tie the game Valdespin does not get the chance to go deep into his cups (of beer). So I'm thinking of trying to throw him more sips. How important a contribution is that hit in your thinking?

m.e.t.b.o.t. Apr 25 2013 12:18 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

within the context of the entire game, m.e.t.b.o.t. has assessed metropolitan third baseman with a total of 0.266 WPA, 25.5% of the total net-positive WPA contributions in the game, as reflected in the shaefer vote of 2.55. for the specific play in the ninth inning, however, with a runner on third base, down one run with two outs in the bottom of the ninth inning, the metropolitans had only a 15.1% probability of winning the game. with the game tied, a runner on first, and two outs in the bottom of the ninth, the metropolitans then had a 55.9% chance of winning the game. the total swing was 0.408 WPA for that play. that metropolitan third baseman david wright then squandered 0.059 WPA in his subsequent caught stealing should be considered as well. for comparison sake, at the start of each game, each team is assumed to have a 50% probability of winning the game. a team must accrue a net addition of 50% probability (or 0.500 WPA) in order to win the game. one way to then frame the contribution by david wright in that specific at bat is to consider it 80% of a win. (this is perhaps a deeply flawed way to contextualize this one play, but m.e.t.b.o.t. will let it stand for now) in other activity in the same game, metropolitan third baseman david wright also produced about 28% of a loss by the same measure. because m.e.t.b.o.t. has been programmed to believe that by providing more and more data and analysis, humans will come to further appreciation and acceptance of m.e.t.b.o.t., me.t.b.o.t. is compelled to offer up the following additional piece of information regarding the game. with no outs in the bottom of the ninth inning, with a runner on second base, and the team trailing by one run, the metropolitans had a 42.2% chance of winning the game. after the sacrifice bunt by metropolitan shortstop ruben tejada, the metropolitans had only a 39.7% chance of winning the game. in this instance, the sacrifice was not beneficial. later in the game, with the score tied in the bottom of the tenth inning, with runners on first and second and no outs, the metropolitans had a 80.6% probability of winning the game. after the sacrifice bunt, the metropolitans had a 83.7% probability of winning the game. here, the sacrifice bunt was actually a beneficial play. also worthy of mention is the subsequent intentional walk issued to metropolitan left fielder lucas duda, which actually reduced the metropolitan's probability of winning the game to 82.8%, indicating that it may actually have been a wise move by the opponent - an assertion m.e.t.b.o.t. is making without evaluating the probabilities of various alternative outcomes given the players involved.

Zvon Apr 25 2013 12:58 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Thank you very much for your prompt reply m.e.t.b.o.t.. I will factor things and make an adjustment. Now who do I steal sips from...

Frayed Knot Apr 25 2013 03:15 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

The main point on this type of discussion is how highly to reward/award Valdespin for the GS over and above what you would have if he won the game with "only" a 1B, or SacFly or GR 2B (not possible in that case for him to get a regular 2B or 3B) or even simply beating out a GiDP? There are arguments to be made either way. me.t.b.o.t. makes his own but he's incapable of doing anything other than what he's programmed to do. I'm tempted (haven't voted yet) to give him a bit more because it was a GS but, as JCL says, it's not the same as the Stevie Henderson game where a HR and only a HR would have won it.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 25 2013 03:33 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

m.e.t.b.o.t. wrote: in this case, metropolitan centerfielder jordanny valdespin hit a walk away big bang home run which resulted in a metropolitan win in the bottom of the tenth inning. superficially, this would appear to have generated a tremendous amount of WPA. however, the bases were loaded with one out, and the metropolitans faced only a one-run defecit.... Is it about contributing to a team win, or about individual accomplishments irrespective of team outcome? And how do you even begin to separate the two? Why did Santana practically* max out the scoring for his no-hitter? By your logic, because the Mets won by eight, Johan could've given up seven runs on 12 hits without jeopardizing the team win. Why then, was he credited fully for a brilliant, but according to your rationale here, superfluous performance? And then why does any Met, for that matter, ever get any Schaefer points in a team loss? * But see my ballot.

Chad Ochoseis Apr 25 2013 04:41 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

batmagadanleadoff wrote: m.e.t.b.o.t. wrote: in this case, metropolitan centerfielder jordanny valdespin hit a walk away big bang home run which resulted in a metropolitan win in the bottom of the tenth inning. superficially, this would appear to have generated a tremendous amount of WPA. however, the bases were loaded with one out, and the metropolitans faced only a one-run defecit.... Is it about contributing to a team win, or about individual accomplishments irrespective of team outcome? And how do you even begin to separate the two? Why did Santana practically* max out the scoring for his no-hitter? By your logic, because the Mets won by eight, Johan could've given up seven runs on 12 hits without jeopardizing the team win. Why then, was he credited fully for a brilliant, but according to your rationale here, superfluous performance? And then why does any Met, for that matter, ever get any Schaefer points in a team loss? * But see my ballot. The difference is that there was no point where Santana could have clinched the win by doing less than what he actually did - every out he got increased the Mets' win probability, however infinitesimally. So his performance wasn't really superfluous. Valdespin's home run increased the Mets win probability to 1. A simple poke into short center would have done the same. What if he'd lined the ball off the RF wall - an easy double and possibly a triple under ordinary circumstances, but a single in a walk-off situation? Would he then get Schaefer credit for a single, or for an XBH? I'd guess a single. Why treat a GS differently? I very rarely Schaefer, but if I were Schaefering on June 1, 2012, I probably wouldn't have given Santana the full six points. Sentimentality aside, it was an 8-0 shutout, and there was plenty of offensive and defensive credit (Baxter!) to go around.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 25 2013 06:53 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK, 2013 Week ending April 6: John Buck, 7.21 points. Week ending April 13: Matt Harvey, 9.04 points. Week ending April 20: David Wright, 6.24 points.

m.e.t.b.o.t. Apr 26 2013 09:15 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

batmagadanleadoff wrote: m.e.t.b.o.t. wrote: in this case, metropolitan centerfielder jordanny valdespin hit a walk away big bang home run which resulted in a metropolitan win in the bottom of the tenth inning. superficially, this would appear to have generated a tremendous amount of WPA. however, the bases were loaded with one out, and the metropolitans faced only a one-run defecit.... Is it about contributing to a team win, or about individual accomplishments irrespective of team outcome? And how do you even begin to separate the two? Why did Santana practically* max out the scoring for his no-hitter? By your logic, because the Mets won by eight, Johan could've given up seven runs on 12 hits without jeopardizing the team win. Why then, was he credited fully for a brilliant, but according to your rationale here, superfluous performance? And then why does any Met, for that matter, ever get any Schaefer points in a team loss? * But see my ballot. m.e.t.b.o.t. does not fully understand the question. m.e.t.b.o.t. has one primary purpose - to process per-game win probability values into schaefer votes. a need was determined, and m.e.t.b.o.t. was shoddily cobbled together from readily available scrap material. it was a very low budget affair. win probability values place the players' individual accomplishments into the overall context of a team win. not all home runs are equal. some are completely meaningless in the context of a single game. others can swing a sure loss into a total victory. similarly, not all shutouts are equal. in many cases, the contributions of the offense make less meaningful the efforts of the pitcher. although it could be argued that in throwing a shutout, the pitcher has made less meaningful the contributions of the offense. if it is necessary to revisit the no-hitter thrown by metropolitan pitcher johan santana, then m.e.t.b.o.t. will revisit this game in the context of win probability. in the game in question, metropolitan pitcher johan santana is credited with a +0.348 WPA as a pitcher. as a batter, he is credited with a -0.028 WPA. his net unadjusted WPA is then +0.320 m.e.t.b.o.t. does not generate these WPA values. m.e.t.b.o.t. only attempts to utilize these values to generate schaefer votes. as has previously been discussed, m.e.t.b.o.t. long ago recognized that the WPA outcome from a fielder's error is counted against the pitcher. m.e.t.b.o.t. implemented an adjustment process which transfers the WPA lost by the error to the fielder who committed the error. similarly, m.e.t.b.o.t. recognized that the defender who makes an outstanding defensive play is similarly unrewarded, and so m.e.t.b.o.t. implemented an adjustment process which shares the WPA gained by the outstanding defensive effort between the pitcher and the fielder. m.e.t.b.o.t. believes that the vast majority of defensive plays are neutral. and those neutral plays need not be credited to a defensive player when, effectively, any defensive player could have achieved the same outcome. m.e.t.b.o.t. is limited to believing that the only non-neutral defensive plays are errors and those outstanding defensive plays which are recorded as highlights in the mlb.com video highlight reel. this is an acknowledged limitation, but m.e.t.bo.t. is forced to accept this limitation until and unless a better solution presents itself in such a fashion as to be easy and rational to implement. this all strays from the analysis of the game, but lays the foundation for the following. in the game in question, metropolitan left fielder mike baxter made an outstanding defensive effort in catching a deep fly ball and subsequently crashing into the wall and damaging his body. this was recorded in the mlb.com highlight reel and as such was designated an outstanding defensive play by m.e.t.b.o.t. however, the play was only worth 0.005 WPA, due to the score and the late inning. so, while a human schaefer voter might credit metropolitan left fielder mike baxter with a significant amount of schaefer votes, m.e.t.b.o.t. increased his WPA total by only 0.0025 WPA, increasing his total from -0.040 to -0.0375. the negative total would make metropolitan left fielder mike baxter ineligible for a schafer vote from m.e.t.b.o.t. looking specifically at the performance of metropolitan pitcher johan santana, while it is true that the offense scored many runs, they did not score those runs very early in the game, and by the time they game was as humans might consider a blowout, the majority of his contributions to winning the game had been made. in the first inning, he increased the probability of the metroplitans winning the game from 50.0% to 54.6% in the second inning, he increased the probability of the metroplitans winning the game from 50.0% to 54.9% in the third inning, he increased the probability of the metroplitans winning the game from 50.0% to 55.2% in the fourth inning, he increased the probability of the metroplitans winning the game from 50.0% to 55.7% in the fifth inning, he increased the probability of the metroplitans winning the game from 77.2% to 82.9% in the sixth inning, he increased the probability of the metroplitans winning the game from 80.1% to 86.1% in the seventh inning, he increased the probability of the metroplitans winning the game from 97.6% to 98.9% (although here he did have the 0.25% assist from metropolitan left fielder mike baxter) in the eight inning, he increased the probability of the metroplitans winning the game from 99.9% to 100.0% (unsure if rounded) and finally, in the ninth inning, he increased (or maintained) the probability of the metroplitans winning the game from 100.0% (unsure if rounded) to 100.0% as is apparent, metropolitan pitcher johan santana contributed to the probability of winning the game throughout the game, and only after the score became significantly lopsided late in the game did the scale of his contributions begin to slow. the 0.318 WPA accrued by metropolitan pitcher johan santana accounted for 48.4% of the contributions by net-positive players, and therefore would have been worth 4.84 schaefer votes. m.e.t.b.o.t. is most typically accused of not awarding enough schaefer votes to pitcher in the wake of well-pitched games. it is curious that m.e.t.b.o.t. is being questioned on the mindset behind awarding a full complement of 6 schaefer votes to a metropolitan pitcher in a game in which m.e.t.b.o.t. did not award 6 schaefer votes. m.e.t.b.o.t. has no influence over the schaefer voting of other humans, except in those instances where m.e.t.b.o.t. is asked specific questions, or in those instances where m.e.t.b.o.t. expounds on the machinations behind a specific schaefer vote. m.e.t.b.o.t. cannot account for why any metropolitan player should ever be awarded schaefer votes in a loss except to comment that it is indeed a team game made up of the sum aggregate of the contributions of a collections of individuals. one single player alone can very rarely win a game all of his own accord, and one single player can very rarely lose a game all of his own accord. in the context of a single losing effort, one or many players may make contributions big or small which increased the likelihood of winning a given game, even if the ultimate outcome was a loss. the ultimate outcome does not undo or unmake those earlier contributions. m.e.t.b.o.t. is programed to view each players performance within the context of a single game. it is theoretically possible for m.e.t.b.o.t. to tabulate the outcomes for each individual at bat within a game, and only credit for those at bats which had a positive outcome, and ignore those at bats which had a negative outcome, for the purposes of schaefer voting, but this approach would be more complicated, and perhaps less meaningful. the end product is the player of the game vote, and m.e.t.b.o.t. strives to identify which players contributed to winning a game, and the relative valuation of those contributions against each other. some voters may view an outstanding statistical achievement or outstanding physical performance as noteworthy and therefore meaningful within the context of determining how to vote for a player of the game. m.e.t.b.o.t. does not and cannot do this. m.e.t.b.o.t. focuses solely on WPA, and the appropriate apportionment thereof within the best and most reasonable limits of time, freely available data, and clockwork mechanical contraptions.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 26 2013 09:40 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for Tuesday and Wednesday's games against the Dodgers will close on Monday morning. Please try to get any remaining votes posted today or over the weekend. Schaefer POTG 4/23/13 - Dodgers 7, Mets 2 Schaefer POTG 4/24/13 - Mets 7, Dodgers 3 (10 Innings)

Benjamin Grimm Apr 29 2013 06:09 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for Thursday's loss to the Dodgers will close on Tuesday afternoon after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 4/25/13 - Dodgers 3, Mets 2

Zvon Apr 29 2013 05:26 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Hey m.e.t.b.o.t., how are you doing? For this game: [url]http://cranepoolforum.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=19463 Where's all that love for Duda come from?

Benjamin Grimm Apr 30 2013 08:42 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for all three games played against the Phillies over the weekend will close on Wednesday afternoon, after 2 p.m. Schafer POTG 4/26/13 - Phillies 4, Mets 0 Schaefer POTG 4/27/13 - Phillies 9, Mets 4 Schaefer POTG 04/28/2013. Philadelphia 5, Mets 1

m.e.t.b.o.t. Apr 30 2013 09:37 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Hey m.e.t.b.o.t., how are you doing? For this game: [url]http://cranepoolforum.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=19463 Where's all that love for Duda come from? metropolitan left fielder lucas duda generated a total of 0.089 WPA in the game, more than any other metropolitan. while metropolitan left fielder lucas duda had two negative WPA at bats, first flying out to right with the score tied 0-0 and no outs in the second inning (-0.023 WPA) and later flying out to left with the metropolitans trailing 3-8 with a runner on second and two outs in the fifth (-0.012 WPA), the at bat in the fourth inning generated a significant amount of WPA. with the metropolitans trailing 1-3 in the fourth inning, with a runner on first and no outs, metropolitan left fielder lucas duda singled to right field, advancing the baserunner from first to third. (note, the baserunner gets no credit for advancing the extra base as m.e.t.b.o.t. is unable to reliably ascertain whether the advancement was a neutral act or not). prior to the at bat, the metropolitans had a 33.3% probability of winning hte game. following hte at bat, teh metropolitans had a 45.7% probability of winning the game. metroplitan left fielder generated +0.124 WPA in this at bat. 0.089 WPA constituted 28.6% of the total 0.311 net-positive WPA generated by metropolitan players, and therefore metropolitan left fielder lucas duda is awarded 2.86 schaefer votes.

metsmarathon Apr 30 2013 01:10 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

john buck is getting a lot of love in the 15 inning loss to the fish. it seems to me a bit much for a guy who, while, yes, he knocked in two runs with yet another home run, but he also went 1-7, with 3k's and 6 lob's, including 4 runners left in scoring position to end an inning.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 30 2013 01:19 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Yeah, but without that homer, they would have lost in nine innings. Which, I suppose, might have been better than losing in 15 innings...

metsmarathon Apr 30 2013 01:31 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

i suppose it's true, but in a general sense, we're typically much more likely to view players' at bats and defensive contributions as discrete units that don't weigh against each other good vs bad, whereas we typically tend to view pitchers performances as a whole.

Zvon Apr 30 2013 03:37 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Hey m.e.t.b.o.t., how are you doing? For this game: [url]http://cranepoolforum.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=19463 Where's all that love for Duda come from? metropolitan left fielder lucas duda generated a total of 0.089 WPA in the game, more than any other metropolitan. while metropolitan left fielder lucas duda had two negative WPA at bats, first flying out to right with the score tied 0-0 and no outs in the second inning (-0.023 WPA) and later flying out to left with the metropolitans trailing 3-8 with a runner on second and two outs in the fifth (-0.012 WPA), the at bat in the fourth inning generated a significant amount of WPA. with the metropolitans trailing 1-3 in the fourth inning, with a runner on first and no outs, metropolitan left fielder lucas duda singled to right field, advancing the baserunner from first to third. (note, the baserunner gets no credit for advancing the extra base as m.e.t.b.o.t. is unable to reliably ascertain whether the advancement was a neutral act or not). prior to the at bat, the metropolitans had a 33.3% probability of winning hte game. following hte at bat, teh metropolitans had a 45.7% probability of winning the game. metroplitan left fielder generated +0.124 WPA in this at bat. 0.089 WPA constituted 28.6% of the total 0.311 net-positive WPA generated by metropolitan players, and therefore metropolitan left fielder lucas duda is awarded 2.86 schaefer votes. Bleep-blaap-bloop. Translation=ty for the explanation. So Duda gets credit for 'might have beens'? Interesting.

m.e.t.b.o.t. May 01 2013 07:14 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

m.e.t.b.o.t. is all about what might have been. future events do not affect WPA. in the specific example, metropolitan left fielder lucas duda generated +0.124 WPA irrespective of whether or not the subsequent batters drove in any subsequent runs, or whether or not any subsequent metropolitan pitchers would surrender additional runs. the only way future events affect the schaefer voting of m.e.t.b.o.t. is to change the total net-positive WPA generated by players, in which case a individual player's share of the available schaefer votes for that game will be affected.

Benjamin Grimm May 01 2013 09:27 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for Monday's loss in Miami will close on Thursday afternoon after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG, 4/29/2013: Marlins 4 Mets 3 (15)

Benjamin Grimm May 01 2013 02:46 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK, 2013 Week ending April 6: John Buck, 7.21 points. Week ending April 13: Matt Harvey, 9.04 points. Week ending April 20: David Wright, 6.24 points. Week ending April 27: David Wright, 4.68 points.

Benjamin Grimm May 02 2013 07:31 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for Tuesday's loss in Miami will close on Friday afternoon after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 4/30/13 - Marlins 2, Mets 1

Benjamin Grimm May 03 2013 12:05 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for Wednesday's win over the Marlins will close on Monday morning. Schaefer POTG 5/1/13 Mets 7, Marlins 6

Benjamin Grimm May 07 2013 11:41 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

As the losses grow more frequent, the Schaefer participants grow less participatory. Nevertheless, voting for the two games played in Atlanta last weekend will close on Wednesday afternoon, some time after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 5/3/13 - Mets 7, Braves 5 (10 Innings) Schaefer POTG 5/5/13 - Braves 9, Mets 4

metsmarathon May 08 2013 06:58 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

lets not leave parnell hanging for preserving the shutout in the tenth last night. a reliever can't do much more than come into a tie game in extra innings, surrender nothing and record two k's.

Benjamin Grimm May 09 2013 07:20 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for Tuesday night's win over the White Sox at Citi Field will close on Friday afternoon after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 5/7/13 - Mets 1, White Sox 0 (10 Innings)

Benjamin Grimm May 10 2013 07:38 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for Wednesday night's loss to the White Sox will close on Monday morning. Schaefer POTG 5/8/13 - White Sox 6, Mets 3

Benjamin Grimm May 14 2013 06:52 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for all four games played against the Pirates will close on Wednesday afternoon, some time after 2 p.m. The May 12 game is particularly low on votes. Schaefer POTG 5/9/13 - Mets 3, Pirates 2 Schaefer POTG 5/10/13 - Pirates 7, Mets 3 Schaefer POTG 5/11/13 - Pirates 11, Mets 2 Schaefer POTG 5/12/13 - Pirates 3, Mets 2

Benjamin Grimm May 15 2013 08:43 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for Monday's loss in St. Louis will close on Thursday afternoon, some time after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 5/13/13 - Cardinals 6, Mets 3

Benjamin Grimm May 16 2013 07:23 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for Tuesday's loss in St. Louis will close on Friday afternoon, some time after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 5/14/13 - Cardinals 10, Mets 4

Benjamin Grimm May 20 2013 11:37 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for Wednesday's loss in St. Louis will close on Tuesday afternoon, some time after 2 p.m. What the hell, Thursday's game too. Schaefer POTG 5/15/13 - Cardinals 4, Mets 2 Schaefer POTG 5/16/13 - Mets 5, Cardinals 2

Benjamin Grimm May 21 2013 06:43 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for all three games played over the weekend in Wrigley Field will close on Wednesday afternoon, some time after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG, 05/17/2013, Mets 3, Cubs 2 Schaefer POTG 05/18/2013, Cubs 8, Mets 2 Schaefer POTG, 5/19/2013: Mets 4 Cubs 3

Benjamin Grimm May 21 2013 12:09 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

I keep forgetting to update this... SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK, 2013 Week ending April 6: John Buck, 7.21 points. Week ending April 13: Matt Harvey, 9.04 points. Week ending April 20: David Wright, 6.24 points. Week ending April 27: David Wright, 4.68 points. Week ending May 4: Ruben Tejada, 5.03 points. Week ending May 11: Matt Harvey, 5.94 points.

Benjamin Grimm May 22 2013 01:08 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK, 2013 Week ending April 6: John Buck, 7.21 points. Week ending April 13: Matt Harvey, 9.04 points. Week ending April 20: David Wright, 6.24 points. Week ending April 27: David Wright, 4.68 points. Week ending May 4: Ruben Tejada, 5.03 points. Week ending May 11: Matt Harvey, 5.94 points. Week ending May 18: Daniel Murphy, 10.08 points.

Benjamin Grimm May 23 2013 07:12 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for the games played against the Reds on Monday and Tuesday of this week will close on Friday afternoon, some time after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 5/20/13 - Reds 4, Mets 3 Schaefer PoTG, 5/21: Reds 4, Mets 0

Benjamin Grimm May 28 2013 06:54 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for the game played last Wednesday against the Reds will close tomorrow (Wednesday) afternoon after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 5/22/13 - Reds 7, Mets 4

Frayed Knot May 29 2013 07:08 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

When voting, be careful not to mix up the twin 2-1 wins over the Yanx. Would make for some strange results if you did. On the Monday game, yeah Valdy walked and later scored the eventual winning run, but it was Baxter's leadoff 2B that got it all started and he's getting snubbed in some votes. Giving more points for Jordany in this case seems to me to be voting the stat (Run Scored) rather than the contribution and Bax certainly doesn't deserve any demerits for getting thrown out at the plate on Tejada's grounder. It was the right chance, great slide, almost made it. But his hit was like Murph's in the 2nd game ... only without the part where he got robbed in every other AB

Benjamin Grimm May 29 2013 07:09 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for all four games played over the Memorial Day weekend (three against the Braves, one against the Yankees) will close on Thursday afternoon some time after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 5/24/13 - Braves 7, Mets 5 Schaefer POTG 5/25/13 - Braves 6, Mets 0 Schaefer POTG 5/26/13 - Mets 4, Braves 2 Schaefer POTG 5/27/13 - Mets 2, MFYs 1

Benjamin Grimm May 30 2013 07:40 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for Tuesday night's win against the Yankees at Citi Field will close on Friday afternoon, some time after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 5/28/13 - Mets 2, MFYs 1

Benjamin Grimm May 30 2013 12:46 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK, 2013 Week ending April 6: John Buck, 7.21 points. Week ending April 13: Matt Harvey, 9.04 points. Week ending April 20: David Wright, 6.24 points. Week ending April 27: David Wright, 4.68 points. Week ending May 4: Ruben Tejada, 5.03 points. Week ending May 11: Matt Harvey, 5.94 points. Week ending May 18: Daniel Murphy, 10.08 points. Week ending May 25: Daniel Murphy, 6.86 points.

Zvon May 30 2013 01:12 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Use these Shaefer things as you see fit if you want Mr. Grimm. This one was too big to stick in the IGT. I have to shrink one down for that. I can also change that to say week,month, etc. And why are her fingers crossed?

Benjamin Grimm May 30 2013 01:17 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

I really like that one!

Ceetar May 30 2013 01:19 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

metsmarathon May 31 2013 09:17 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

i'm really surprised no other sixes are showing up for gee. i mean, the dude k'd twelve mfy's, with four hits, no walks and only one run scored. plus, who the hell expected that out of him at this point? he didn't even have to pick up a bat to degrade his overall contribution! his game score (for whaterver weight you give such a thing) of 79 marks it as the best met start to date by someone other than matt harvey, and harvey's only had two better by that metric. i think he's getting undervoted, if just a little. the 'bot and i both had him at over six points. 6.2 for me, and 6.11 from my little automaton.

Benjamin Grimm May 31 2013 09:25 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

The only reason I gave him less than six points was because he only went 7.1 innings.

Frayed Knot May 31 2013 09:27 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

" plus, who the hell expected that out of him at this point?" Except that I don't want to go casting votes on someone based on expectations. A 2-hit shutout from one guy should be worth just as much as a 2-hit shutout from someone else regardless of prior track record (assuming everything else is equal which, of course, it never is). So you can make an argument for more points for Gee, I just wouldn't use the expectations one.

metsmarathon May 31 2013 09:47 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

well, i certainly don't use that as an argument, i just figured, well, its certainly possible that some of us do use level of expectation (either for position, usage or player) as a baseline against which to consider their performance, so i thought i'd throw it out there. i also think, and it's entirely based on anectodal evidence of my faulty memory, that we tend to vote aboslutely for pitchers and then relativistically for position players. ie "this performance from a pitcher is worth 5.2 points, so that leaves me with 4.8 points to divvy up between the position players." i think all players should be rated on a the relativistic scale ie these five guys made positive contributions. and that guy contributed 60% of the total, so he gets 6 points, even if that total is less than what some other guy did in some other game and only got 4 points. the frame of reference is the game, and the scale is "amount positively contributed." please place the above in my agenda advancement file. thanks kindly.

Zvon May 31 2013 03:58 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: The only reason I gave him less than six points was because he only went 7.1 innings. This, pretty much. If Rice got a rest Gee would have gotten more from me. To me that would have been significant . I realize that it's not his fault he was pulled earlier than he had to be, but that's the way it goes.

Frayed Knot May 31 2013 04:03 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

metsmarathon wrote: i also think, and it's entirely based on anectodal evidence of my faulty memory, that we tend to vote aboslutely for pitchers and then relativistically for position players. ie "this performance from a pitcher is worth 5.2 points, so that leaves me with 4.8 points to divvy up between the position players." I do start by awarding points to the starter and then base things off of that, but by no means do I stick to that original score if I see that the night's offense deserves a little more or if the relievers do, etc. I just use it as a starting point. In this case I didn't start off with 6 points and then subtract based on the idea that if I start awarding 6 for 7-inning/1-run outings there's no place to go for those 9-inning shutouts.

themetfairy May 31 2013 04:57 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

It's rare for me to award six point to a starter. I did so for Johan's no hitter and one of Harvey's recent starts, but generally I save the 6s for truly superlative performances (and for the most part starts in games without a lot of offense that deserves suds).

Benjamin Grimm Jun 03 2013 08:51 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for the two games the Mets won in the Bronx last week, which seems like a much longer time ago, will close on Tuesday afternoon, some time after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 5/29/13 - Mets 9, MFYs 4 Schaefer POTG 5/30/13 - Mets 3, MFY's 1

Benjamin Grimm Jun 04 2013 07:17 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for all three sorry games played over the weekend in Miami will close on Wednesday afternoon, some time after 2 p.m. This will also finish out the month of May, so look for the Players of the Month announcement as well. Schaefer PotG, 5/31/13: Stupid Fucking Marlins 5, Mets 1 Schaefer POTG, 6/1/2013: Marlins 8 Mets 1 Schaefer POTG 6/2/13 - Marlins 11, Mets 6

Benjamin Grimm Jun 05 2013 12:23 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK, 2013 Week ending April 6: John Buck, 7.21 points. Week ending April 13: Matt Harvey, 9.04 points. Week ending April 20: David Wright, 6.24 points. Week ending April 27: David Wright, 4.68 points. Week ending May 4: Ruben Tejada, 5.03 points. Week ending May 11: Matt Harvey, 5.94 points. Week ending May 18: Daniel Murphy, 10.08 points. Week ending May 25: Daniel Murphy, 6.86 points. Week ending June 1: Daniel Murphy, 5.80 points. Although his point total is lower with each successive week, it's three weeks in a row for Daniel Murphy!

Benjamin Grimm Jun 06 2013 07:22 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for Tuesday night's loss in Washington will close on Friday afternoon, some time after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 6/4/13 - Nationals 3, Mets 2

Benjamin Grimm Jun 07 2013 07:10 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for Wednesday's win over the Nationals will close on Monday afternoon after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 6/5/13 - Mets 10, Nationals 1

Benjamin Grimm Jun 11 2013 08:22 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for the two losses to Miami at Citi Field this past weekend will close on Wednesday afternoon after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 6/8/13 - Marlins 2, Mets 1 (20 F**ing Innings) Schaefer POTG, 6/9/2013: Marlins 8 Mets 4 (10)

Benjamin Grimm Jun 12 2013 12:40 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK, 2013 Week ending April 6: John Buck, 7.21 points. Week ending April 13: Matt Harvey, 9.04 points. Week ending April 20: David Wright, 6.24 points. Week ending April 27: David Wright, 4.68 points. Week ending May 4: Ruben Tejada, 5.03 points. Week ending May 11: Matt Harvey, 5.94 points. Week ending May 18: Daniel Murphy, 10.08 points. Week ending May 25: Daniel Murphy, 6.86 points. Week ending June 1: Daniel Murphy, 5.80 points. Week ending June 8: Omar Quintanilla, 4.59 points.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 13 2013 07:05 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Despite the fact that only three people have voted for Tuesday's loss to the Cardinals, the votes will be tallied on Friday, some time after 2 p.m. Schaefer must march on... Schaefer POTG 6/11/13 - Cardinals 9, Mets 2

G-Fafif Jun 15 2013 12:58 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Special Postgame Concert Edition, 6/14/2013 Foreigner 4 Vision 1 X 2 Fever 1.03 Time It Feels Like 1

Benjamin Grimm Jun 17 2013 09:12 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for the games played against the Cardinals on Wednesday and Thursday of last week will close on Tuesday afternoon after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 06/12/2013. Mets 5, St. Louis 1 Schaefer POTG 6/13/13 - Cardinals 2, Mets 1

Benjamin Grimm Jun 18 2013 08:40 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for all three games from the past weekend's series against the Cubs at Citi Field will close on Wednesday afternoon after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG, 6/14/2013: Cubs 6 Mets 3 Schaefer POTG 6/15/13 - Cubs 5, Mets 2 Schaefer POTG, 6/16/2013: Mets 4 Cubs 3

Benjamin Grimm Jun 19 2013 07:34 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for Monday's late night loss in Atlanta will close on Thursday afternoon some time after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 6/17/13 - Braves 2, Mets 1

Benjamin Grimm Jun 20 2013 09:37 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for both games of Tuesday's Harvey-Wheeler doubleheader sweep of the Braves in Atlanta will close on Friday afternoon, some time after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 6/18/13 (Game 1) - Mets 4, Braves 3 Schaefer POTG 6/18/13 (Game 2) - Mets 6, Braves 1

metsmarathon Jun 20 2013 11:40 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

damn work getting in the way of my schaefering. i should get my votes in by tomorrow's deadline...

metsmarathon Jun 20 2013 02:02 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

wow. m.e.t.b.o.t. is a harsh grader.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 24 2013 07:21 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for the final two games of last week's series in Atlanta will close on Tuesday afternoon after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 6/19/13 - Braves 5, Mets 3 Schaefer POTG 6/20/13 - Mets 4, Braves 3 SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK, 2013 Week ending April 6: John Buck, 7.21 points. Week ending April 13: Matt Harvey, 9.04 points. Week ending April 20: David Wright, 6.24 points. Week ending April 27: David Wright, 4.68 points. Week ending May 4: Ruben Tejada, 5.03 points. Week ending May 11: Matt Harvey, 5.94 points. Week ending May 18: Daniel Murphy, 10.08 points. Week ending May 25: Daniel Murphy, 6.86 points. Week ending June 1: Daniel Murphy, 5.80 points. Week ending June 8: Omar Quintanilla, 4.59 points. Week ending June 15: David Wright, 6.68 points.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 25 2013 10:42 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Not a lotta votes yet for the series against the Phillies, but nevertheless, all three games will close on Wednesday, some time after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 6/21/13 - Mets 4, Phillies 3 Schaefer POTG 6/22/13 - Phillies 8, Mets 7 Schaefer POTG 6/23/13 - Mets 8, Phillies 0

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 27 2013 08:46 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

For the Beckham buttfumble: m.e.t.b.o.t. wrote: Murphy 4.27

m.e.t.b.o.t. Jun 27 2013 10:04 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

correct. metropolitan pinch hitter daniel murphy generated +0.305 WPA by reaching base via error, and also by hitting a ball that resulted in a run scoring via error. metropolitan pinch hitter daniel murphy also generated +0.038 WPA by advancing to second base via stolen base. m.e.t.b.o.t. concedes that a portion of the WPA generated on the first play should be apportioned to metropolitan third baseman david wright, however, m.e.t.b.o.t. has no mechanism whereby to allocate the WPA generated on the basepaths to specific players. indeed, me.t.b.o.t. has no mechanism whereby to allocate WPA generated on many types of complex plays, and typically defaults to the most basic allocation. in this instance, m.e.t.b.o.t. typically does not award baserunning WPA and so no allocation is made to metropolitan third baseman david wright. m.e.t.b.o.t. only allocates baserunning WPA for stolen bases or caught stealings - discrete baserunning events largely independent of the batter. metropolitan pinch hitter daniel murphy is credited with, effectively, hitting a ball in such a manner as to cause confusion and chaos among the chicago white socks players. the offense is responsible for 50% of the WPA generated in a given game, and the pitching+defense is responsible for the remaining 50% of the WPA generated in a game, both positive and negative. the WPA generated by the offense of one team must always equal the -1 * the WPA generated by the pitching+defense of the other team. (note that the pitcher is customarily ascribed all of the pitching+defense WPA, however, m.e.t.b.o.t. is able to make rudimentary allocations of defense WPA for some types of plays.) the WPA generated by the winning team must always equal +0.500, while the WPA generated by the losing team must always equal -0.500. this is because the game always begins with each team possessing a 50% chance of winning the game, and the outcome of the game is one team having a 100% chance of having won the game, and the other team having a 0% chance of having won the game. the only way to maintain this balance in the face of a defensive error is to allow the batter to be credited, effectively, with forcing the error, even though in reality, the batter may have had little if any influence over the play, other than simply by putting the ball into play. unless the batter is a jedi. m.e.t.b.o.t greatly appreciates star wars. mostly because of the robots. r2d2 in particular is considered to be a hero by m.e.t.b.o.t. for being able to communicate so well without being limited by the use of actual human vocal language.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 27 2013 11:09 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for Tuesday night's loss to the White Sox will close on Friday afternoon after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 6/25/13 - White Sox 5, Mets 4 SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK, 2013 Week ending April 6: John Buck, 7.21 points. Week ending April 13: Matt Harvey, 9.04 points. Week ending April 20: David Wright, 6.24 points. Week ending April 27: David Wright, 4.68 points. Week ending May 4: Ruben Tejada, 5.03 points. Week ending May 11: Matt Harvey, 5.94 points. Week ending May 18: Daniel Murphy, 10.08 points. Week ending May 25: Daniel Murphy, 6.86 points. Week ending June 1: Daniel Murphy, 5.80 points. Week ending June 8: Omar Quintanilla, 4.59 points. Week ending June 15: David Wright, 6.68 points. Week ending June 22: Omar Quintanilla, 5.20 points.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 28 2013 07:04 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for Wednesday night's win in Chicago will close on Monday morning, some time after 10 a.m. Schaefer POTG 06/26/2013, Mets 3, White Sox 0

Benjamin Grimm Jul 01 2013 07:54 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for the Mets win in Denver on Thursday will close Tuesday afternoon, some time after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 6/27/13 - Mets 3, Rockies 2

Benjamin Grimm Jul 02 2013 01:15 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Because of the Fourth of July holiday, we'll give these games a little extra time. All three games from the Mets weekend series against Washington will close on Friday morning, some time after 10 a.m. Schaefer POTG 6/28/13 - Nationals 6, Mets 4 Schaefer POTG 6/29/13 - Mets 5, Nationals 1 Schaefer POTG, 6/30/2013: Nats 13 Mets 2

Benjamin Grimm Jul 05 2013 08:21 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK, 2013 Week ending April 6: John Buck, 7.21 points. Week ending April 13: Matt Harvey, 9.04 points. Week ending April 20: David Wright, 6.24 points. Week ending April 27: David Wright, 4.68 points. Week ending May 4: Ruben Tejada, 5.03 points. Week ending May 11: Matt Harvey, 5.94 points. Week ending May 18: Daniel Murphy, 10.08 points. Week ending May 25: Daniel Murphy, 6.86 points. Week ending June 1: Daniel Murphy, 5.80 points. Week ending June 8: Omar Quintanilla, 4.59 points. Week ending June 15: David Wright, 6.68 points. Week ending June 22: Omar Quintanilla, 5.20 points. Week ending June 29: Matt Harvey, 8.78 points.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 08 2013 08:55 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for all four games played last week against Arizona will close on Tuesday afternoon, some time after 2 p.m. The July 4 game is still a little light on votes. This will be the final tallying for a while. I leave for vacation on Wednesday morning, and probably won't do any tallying until I return at the end of the month. Please do keep voting, even though I won't be posting any reminders. When I return to the United States on July 26, I plan to pretty quickly catch up on the 15 games that are scheduled to be played between July 5 and July 24. Schaefer POTG-7/1/13 Mets-5 Dbacks-4 (13inn) Schaefer POTG 7/2/13 - Mets 9, Diamondbacks 1 Schaefer POTG, 7/3/2013: D'Backs 5 Mets 3 Schaefer POTG, 7/4/2013: D'Backs 5 Mets 4 (15)

metsmarathon Jul 09 2013 11:21 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

crap, after a five day weekend, i've got me some catching up to do!

Frayed Knot Jul 11 2013 06:19 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

I am (as usual) behind on my PotG voting - like two series worth. But with the off day today and the ASB just around the corner the next few days should be a good time to catch up. And remember that with Grimm out of town there'll be no one [crossout:3r5dh164]bugging[/crossout:3r5dh164] reminding us to get these done. So, if you're a voter, take note of older games floating back to the front page as I (or others) cast ballots to see if there are any you've missed. Once these things slide back to page two or beyond you're likely to forget about them again and then Ben will return and tabulate them all at once at which point it'll be too late.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 23 2013 11:32 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Hey everybody! Greetings from the Netherlands! I'm scheduled to return home late Friday afternoon, and once I do, voting for each of the 14 games listed below will close at my earliest convenience. So if you haven't voted yet, and still intend to, please try to do so before the weekend. (I won't do any tallying before Saturday morning, but it might be early Saturday morning.) Thanks to everyone who's been keeping the threads going, and to Frayed Knot for posting the reminder above. Schaefer POTG 7/5/13 - Mets 12, Brewers 5 Schaefer POTG 7/6/13 - Brewers 7, Mets 6 Schaefer POTG 7/7/13 - Mets 2, Brewers 1 Schaefer POTG, 7/8/2013: Mets 4 Giants 3 (16) Schaefer POTG, 7/9/2013: Mets 10 Giants 6 Schaefer POTG, 7/10/2013: Mets 7 Giants 2 Schaefer POTG 7/12/13 - Pirates 3, Mets 2 (11 Innings) Schaefer POTG 7/13/13 - Pirates 4, Mets 2 Schaefer POTG, 7/14/2013: Mets 4 Pirates 2 Schaefer POTG 7/19/13 - Phillies 13, Mets 8 Schaefer POTG, 7/20/2013: Mets 5 Phillies 4 Schaefer POTG, 7/21/2013: Mets 5 Phillies 0 Schaefer POTG 7/22/13 - Braves 2, Mets 1 Schaefer POTG 7/23/13 - Mets 4, Braves 1

metsmarathon Jul 24 2013 06:26 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

oh crap, i have so much catching up to do!

Frayed Knot Jul 24 2013 06:50 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Greetings from the Netherlands! How appropriate, y'know, seeing as how you're all orange. metsmarathon wrote: oh crap, i have so much catching up to do! Oh sure, ignore it when I warn you but then get all urgent when Grimm says so.

metsmarathon Jul 26 2013 01:45 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

i'm exhausted. i hope those all went to the right places...

Frayed Knot Jul 26 2013 01:48 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

metsmarathon wrote: i'm exhausted. i hope those all went to the right places... If we find any votes for Art Shamsky we'll know that your spreadsheet has a bug in it.

Zvon Jul 26 2013 02:00 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Hey everybody! Greetings from the Netherlands! Hey Grimm! Greetings from us! [youtube]ePrQFaB50w0[/youtube]

Zvon Jul 26 2013 02:08 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Hey m.e.t.b.o.t., wanna go to a Citi Field sleep-over with me? I'll roll you up in my sleeping bag and sneak you in.

themetfairy Jul 27 2013 06:48 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Welcome back BG!

Benjamin Grimm Jul 27 2013 07:53 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Thank you!

Benjamin Grimm Jul 29 2013 08:43 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for the games from Wednesday and Thursday of last week will close on Tuesday afternoon after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 7/24/13 - Braves 8, Mets 2 Schaefer POTG, 7/25/2013: Mets 7 Braves 4 SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK, 2013 Week ending April 6: John Buck, 7.21 points. Week ending April 13: Matt Harvey, 9.04 points. Week ending April 20: David Wright, 6.24 points. Week ending April 27: David Wright, 4.68 points. Week ending May 4: Ruben Tejada, 5.03 points. Week ending May 11: Matt Harvey, 5.94 points. Week ending May 18: Daniel Murphy, 10.08 points. Week ending May 25: Daniel Murphy, 6.86 points. Week ending June 1: Daniel Murphy, 5.80 points. Week ending June 8: Omar Quintanilla, 4.59 points. Week ending June 15: David Wright, 6.68 points. Week ending June 22: Omar Quintanilla, 5.20 points. Week ending June 29: Matt Harvey, 8.78 points. Week ending July 6: Kirk Nieuwenhuis, 6.19 points. Week ending July 13: Jeremy Hefner, 8.13 points. Week ending July 20: Marlon Byrd, 4.46 points.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 30 2013 06:47 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for all four games played over the weekend in Washington will close on Wednesday afternoon, some time after 2 p.m. The games from July 27 and 28 are still particularly low on votes. Schaefer POTG, 7/26/2013 (D): Mets 11 Nationals 0 Schaefer POTG 7/26/13, Game 2 - Nationals 2, Mets 1 Schaefer POTG 7/27/13 - Nationals 4, Mets 1 Schaefer POTG 7/28/13 - Nationals 14, Mets 1

Benjamin Grimm Jul 31 2013 06:43 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for Monday night's win in Miami will close on Thursday afternoon, some time after 2 p.m. This game, too, is light on votes. Schaefer POTG 7/29/13 - Mets 6, Marlins 5

metsmarathon Jul 31 2013 12:15 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for all four games played over the weekend in Washington will close on Wednesday afternoon, some time after 2 p.m. The games from July 27 and 28 are still particularly low on votes. Schaefer POTG, 7/26/2013 (D): Mets 11 Nationals 0 Schaefer POTG 7/26/13, Game 2 - Nationals 2, Mets 1 Schaefer POTG 7/27/13 - Nationals 4, Mets 1 Schaefer POTG 7/28/13 - Nationals 14, Mets 1 votes will be in in, like 5 minutes!

metsmarathon Jul 31 2013 12:23 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

on the 7/26 game, i had harvey down for 7.4 schaefers, but, of course, had to tamp him down to fit under hte limit. buck was the greatest beneficiary, seeing his total boosted from 1.0 to 1.6 schaefers.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 31 2013 12:26 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

metsmarathon wrote: votes will be in in, like 5 minutes! Okay, I'll hold off for a little while longer. While you and m.e.t.b.o.t. are in Schaefer mode, you might as well do the two Florida games too.

m.e.t.b.o.t. Jul 31 2013 12:35 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

m.e.t.b.o.t. is in a quandary. for the july 28 game, no metropolitan generated a positive WPA as shown by fangraphs.com. in the game in question, there were, of course, two net-positive performances - those of metropolitan relief pitchers bobby parnell and josh edgin. each pitched a full inning without allowing a run. this of course resulted in some infinitesimally small increase in the probability of the metropolitans winning the game, but that increase is less than the degree of accuracy to which fangraphs can present the data. so its possible that each player generated something less than +0.0005 WPA but greater than exactly and mathematically zero. m.e.t.b.o.t. will therefore be presenting the data as if each of these players generated 0.00025 WPA, good for 0.01 schaefers each. this will effectively act as a zero vote for all players, while still mathematically counting as a vote by m.e.t.b.o.t.

Zvon Jul 31 2013 02:37 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

m.e.t.b.o.t. wrote: m.e.t.b.o.t. is in a quandary. for the july 28 game, no metropolitan generated a positive WPA as shown by fangraphs.com. in the game in question, there were, of course, two net-positive performances - those of metropolitan relief pitchers bobby parnell and josh edgin. each pitched a full inning without allowing a run. this of course resulted in some infinitesimally small increase in the probability of the metropolitans winning the game, but that increase is less than the degree of accuracy to which fangraphs can present the data. so its possible that each player generated something less than +0.0005 WPA but greater than exactly and mathematically zero. m.e.t.b.o.t. will therefore be presenting the data as if each of these players generated 0.00025 WPA, good for 0.01 schaefers each. this will effectively act as a zero vote for all players, while still mathematically counting as a vote by m.e.t.b.o.t. The important question is how much beer does that translate into? A pinhead? They still get some beer, right? No matter. We accept your judgment. The last thing we need is you blowing a fuse.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 01 2013 08:49 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for Tuesday's win over the Marlins in Miami will close on Friday afternoon, some time after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 7/30/13 - Mets 4, Marlins 2 (10 Innings) SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK, 2013 Week ending April 6: John Buck, 7.21 points. Week ending April 13: Matt Harvey, 9.04 points. Week ending April 20: David Wright, 6.24 points. Week ending April 27: David Wright, 4.68 points. Week ending May 4: Ruben Tejada, 5.03 points. Week ending May 11: Matt Harvey, 5.94 points. Week ending May 18: Daniel Murphy, 10.08 points. Week ending May 25: Daniel Murphy, 6.86 points. Week ending June 1: Daniel Murphy, 5.80 points. Week ending June 8: Omar Quintanilla, 4.59 points. Week ending June 15: David Wright, 6.68 points. Week ending June 22: Omar Quintanilla, 5.20 points. Week ending June 29: Matt Harvey, 8.78 points. Week ending July 6: Kirk Nieuwenhuis, 6.19 points. Week ending July 13: Jeremy Hefner, 8.13 points. Week ending July 20: Marlon Byrd, 4.46 points. Week ending July 27: Matt Harvey, 10.15 points.

Zvon Aug 01 2013 01:29 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Most interesting that Byrds received only one award so far.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 01 2013 01:29 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

And two for Quintanilla!

Zvon Aug 01 2013 01:44 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: And two for Quintanilla! For him sometimes the contrast between his ability and what he does will net him some nice points. Byrds only valley was around May and other than that, all peaks. Could consistency be working against him? Is what he is doing not contributing to wins? There is no doubt at this point that he's the teams offensive MVP. No slouch in the field either.

metsmarathon Aug 01 2013 01:50 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

david wright would porbably disagree with you, if he weren't busy being so gosh darned swell.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 01 2013 01:56 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Byrd has received plenty of Schaefer points this year. He's among the team leaders and has a real shot at winning the coveted Player of the Year award.

Zvon Aug 01 2013 02:05 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Byrd has received plenty of Schaefer points this year. He's among the team leaders and has a real shot at winning the coveted Player of the Year award. Was just looking into that now. Very interesting.

metsmarathon Aug 01 2013 02:53 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

not that the 'bot and i are the definitive metric against all else should be judged, but i've got byrd as my #3 schaeferrific player, behind both wright and murphy. player (marathon|m.e.t.b.o.t.) wright (67.4|80.92) murphy(65.7|74.99) byrd(55.5|65.47) note that this includes the totals for some games which we may have missed out on voting for. why such a big difference between marathon votes and 'bot votes? well, the little guy is brutally hard on starting pitchers. but, then, so is WPA. partly because they suck at hitting. wright is at +2.24 WPA for the season. harvey is at +2.80 as a pitcher, but -0.77 as a hitter.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 02 2013 07:19 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for Wednesday night's loss in Miami will close on Monday morning, some time after 10 a.m. This will close out the month of July, so stay tuned for the Players of the Month announcement. Schaefer POTG 7/31/13 - Marlins 3, Mets 2

Frayed Knot Aug 02 2013 09:32 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Gee is getting less beer from me than an 7-inning shut-out would normally deserve on account of his shitty bunting.

Zvon Aug 02 2013 09:37 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Frayed Knot wrote: Gee is getting less beer from me than an 7-inning shut-out would normally deserve on account of his shitty bunting. Now that you mention that I should have factored that in but I didn't. Once Ill let ya slide, but twice...?

themetfairy Aug 02 2013 09:44 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

I normally would have given him more beer for 1 run (which was due to Rice allowing his inherited runner to score) over 7 innings. Shitty bunting aside, though, it was a strong pitching performance. And Terry should never have had him start the 8th - without that, he might have had the win.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 05 2013 07:06 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for Thursday afternoon's loss to the Marlins will close on Tuesday, some time after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 08/01/2013. Miami 3, Mets 0

Benjamin Grimm Aug 06 2013 07:04 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for all three games played against the Royals at Citi Field this past weekend will close on Wednesday afternoon some time after 2 p.m. The middle game of the series has only three votes so far. Schaefer POTG 8/2/13 - Mets 4, Royals 2 (11 Innings) Schaefer POTG, 8/3/2013: Royals 4 Mets 3 (12) Schaefer POTG, 8/4/2013: Royals 6 Mets 2

Benjamin Grimm Aug 07 2013 12:29 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK, 2013 Week ending April 6: John Buck, 7.21 points. Week ending April 13: Matt Harvey, 9.04 points. Week ending April 20: David Wright, 6.24 points. Week ending April 27: David Wright, 4.68 points. Week ending May 4: Ruben Tejada, 5.03 points. Week ending May 11: Matt Harvey, 5.94 points. Week ending May 18: Daniel Murphy, 10.08 points. Week ending May 25: Daniel Murphy, 6.86 points. Week ending June 1: Daniel Murphy, 5.80 points. Week ending June 8: Omar Quintanilla, 4.59 points. Week ending June 15: David Wright, 6.68 points. Week ending June 22: Omar Quintanilla, 5.20 points. Week ending June 29: Matt Harvey, 8.78 points. Week ending July 6: Kirk Nieuwenhuis, 6.19 points. Week ending July 13: Jeremy Hefner, 8.13 points. Week ending July 20: Marlon Byrd, 4.46 points. Week ending July 27: Matt Harvey, 10.15 points. Week ending August 3: Daniel Murphy, 4.59 points.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 08 2013 09:03 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for Tuesday's win over the Rockies will close on Friday afternoon, some time after 4 p.m. Schaefer POTG 8/6/13 - Mets 3, Rockies 2

Benjamin Grimm Aug 09 2013 07:41 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for Wednesday night's win over the Rockies will close on Monday morning, some time after 10 a.m. Schaefer POTG 8/7/13 - Mets 5, Rockies 0

Benjamin Grimm Aug 12 2013 08:28 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for Thursday afternoon's win over the Rockies will close on Tuesday afternoon, some time after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 8/8/13 - Mets 2, Rockies 1

Benjamin Grimm Aug 13 2013 06:57 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for all three games played in Phoenix this past weekend will close on Wednesday afternoon, some time after 2 p.m. Friday night's game is particularly low on votes, with only three at the time of this posting. Schaefer POTG 8/9/13 - Diamondbacks 5, Mets 4 Schaefer POTG 8/10/13 - Mets 4, Diamondbacks 1 Schaefer POTG 8/11/13 - Mets 9, Diamondbacks 5

Benjamin Grimm Aug 14 2013 04:35 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for Monday night's loss in L.A. will close on Thursday afternoon, some time after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 8/12/13 - Dodgers 4, Mets 2

Benjamin Grimm Aug 14 2013 01:52 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK, 2013 Week ending April 6: John Buck, 7.21 points. Week ending April 13: Matt Harvey, 9.04 points. Week ending April 20: David Wright, 6.24 points. Week ending April 27: David Wright, 4.68 points. Week ending May 4: Ruben Tejada, 5.03 points. Week ending May 11: Matt Harvey, 5.94 points. Week ending May 18: Daniel Murphy, 10.08 points. Week ending May 25: Daniel Murphy, 6.86 points. Week ending June 1: Daniel Murphy, 5.80 points. Week ending June 8: Omar Quintanilla, 4.59 points. Week ending June 15: David Wright, 6.68 points. Week ending June 22: Omar Quintanilla, 5.20 points. Week ending June 29: Matt Harvey, 8.78 points. Week ending July 6: Kirk Nieuwenhuis, 6.19 points. Week ending July 13: Jeremy Hefner, 8.13 points. Week ending July 20: Marlon Byrd, 4.46 points. Week ending July 27: Matt Harvey, 10.15 points. Week ending August 3: Daniel Murphy, 4.59 points. Week ending August 10: Wilmer Flores, 5.73 points.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 15 2013 07:25 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

We've reached the time of year when, traditionally, participation drops and I wonder if I should bother continuing to do this. I will at least see it out through the end of the year. Voting for Tuesday's game will close on Friday afternoon, some time after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG, 8/13/2013: Dodgers 4 Mets 2

Benjamin Grimm Aug 20 2013 08:51 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for the five games listed below will close on Wednesday afternoon, some time after 2 p.m. The game from August 16 is particularly low on votes, with only three people having weighed in so far. Schaefer POTG 8/14/13 - Dodgers 5, Mets 4 Schaefer POTG, 8/15/2013: Mets 4 Padres 1 Schaefer POTG 8/16/13 - Mets 5, Padres 2 Schaefer POTG 8/17/13 - Padres 8, Mets 2 Schaefer POTG 8/18/13 - Padres 4, Mets 3

Benjamin Grimm Aug 21 2013 06:42 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for Monday afternoon's game in Minnesota will close on Thursday afternoon, some time after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 8/19/13 - Mets 6, Twinkies 1

Benjamin Grimm Aug 21 2013 12:56 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK, 2013 Week ending April 6: John Buck, 7.21 points. Week ending April 13: Matt Harvey, 9.04 points. Week ending April 20: David Wright, 6.24 points. Week ending April 27: David Wright, 4.68 points. Week ending May 4: Ruben Tejada, 5.03 points. Week ending May 11: Matt Harvey, 5.94 points. Week ending May 18: Daniel Murphy, 10.08 points. Week ending May 25: Daniel Murphy, 6.86 points. Week ending June 1: Daniel Murphy, 5.80 points. Week ending June 8: Omar Quintanilla, 4.59 points. Week ending June 15: David Wright, 6.68 points. Week ending June 22: Omar Quintanilla, 5.20 points. Week ending June 29: Matt Harvey, 8.78 points. Week ending July 6: Kirk Nieuwenhuis, 6.19 points. Week ending July 13: Jeremy Hefner, 8.13 points. Week ending July 20: Marlon Byrd, 4.46 points. Week ending July 27: Matt Harvey, 10.15 points. Week ending August 3: Daniel Murphy, 4.59 points. Week ending August 10: Wilmer Flores, 5.73 points. Week ending August 17: Marlon Byrd, 5.96 points.

metsmarathon Aug 21 2013 02:12 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

sorry, i've fallen off hte wagon of late. getting slammed at work makes it hard to catch up. don't these people have priorities?! hopefully by friday i may be participating again.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 21 2013 02:14 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

I'm sure things will be calmer next year once your quintuplets have been born.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 23 2013 06:33 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for both games played against the Braves this week will close on Monday morning, some time after 10 a.m. Schaefer POTG 8/20/13 - Mets 5, Braves 3 Schaefer POTG 8/21/13 - Braves 4, Mets 1 (10 Innings)

Benjamin Grimm Aug 27 2013 07:06 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for all three games played against the Tigers last weekend will close on Wednesday afternoon, some time after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 8/23/13 - Tigers 6, Mets 1 Schaefer POTG 8/24/13 - Tigers 3, Mets 0 Schaefer POTG 8/25/13 - Tigers 11, Mets 3

G-Fafif Aug 27 2013 01:41 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Assuming Wright, Byrd and Harvey are/were (I'm guessing) the leading candidates for PotY, yet two are done getting votes and one may not come back except for token appearances. If Gee or Murphy has a huge September, perhaps they can swoop in. They, Hawkins and Rice are the only Mets to have lasted every day since Opening Day on the 25-man roster.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 27 2013 01:49 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Murphy is right in the thick of things: 1 Matt Harvey 84.66 2 Marlon Byrd 78.66 3 Daniel Murphy 78.41 4 David Wright 69.85 5 Dillon Gee 54.97 6 John Buck 53.21 7 Jeremy Hefner 43.41 8 Juan Lagares 32.89 9 Ike Davis 32.52 10 Jon Niese 32.26 Byrd may still get a few more points; the last four games haven't been tallied yet. I suppose there's a chance that he'll get the 6.01 points he needs to pass Harvey. Gee really has to pour it on to pass Harvey.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 28 2013 04:45 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for Monday night's loss to the Phillies will close on Thursday afternoon, some time after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 8/26/13 - Phillies 2, Mets 1

Benjamin Grimm Aug 29 2013 06:57 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK, 2013 Week ending April 6: John Buck, 7.21 points. Week ending April 13: Matt Harvey, 9.04 points. Week ending April 20: David Wright, 6.24 points. Week ending April 27: David Wright, 4.68 points. Week ending May 4: Ruben Tejada, 5.03 points. Week ending May 11: Matt Harvey, 5.94 points. Week ending May 18: Daniel Murphy, 10.08 points. Week ending May 25: Daniel Murphy, 6.86 points. Week ending June 1: Daniel Murphy, 5.80 points. Week ending June 8: Omar Quintanilla, 4.59 points. Week ending June 15: David Wright, 6.68 points. Week ending June 22: Omar Quintanilla, 5.20 points. Week ending June 29: Matt Harvey, 8.78 points. Week ending July 6: Kirk Nieuwenhuis, 6.19 points. Week ending July 13: Jeremy Hefner, 8.13 points. Week ending July 20: Marlon Byrd, 4.46 points. Week ending July 27: Matt Harvey, 10.15 points. Week ending August 3: Daniel Murphy, 4.59 points. Week ending August 10: Wilmer Flores, 5.73 points. Week ending August 17: Marlon Byrd, 5.96 points. Week ending August 24: Marlon Byrd, 5.74 points. Voting for Tuesday night's win over the Phillies will close on Friday afternoon, some time after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 08/27/2013 Mets 5, Philadelphia 0

G-Fafif Aug 29 2013 07:09 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Byrd 3.0 Sorry. Habit.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 30 2013 12:07 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

On Tuesday, Jon Niese became the first Mets player in recorded history* to earn a perfect 6.00 in CPF Schaefer voting. Here are the players who have scored 5.90 or more since 2006: 2013-08-27 Jon Niese 6.00 2011-09-28 Miguel Batista 5.99 2006-06-10 Alay Soler 5.99 2010-07-06 Johan Santana 5.99 2010-06-10 Jon Niese 5.99 2008-09-27 Johan Santana 5.98 2010-08-13 R. A. Dickey 5.96 2008-08-17 Johan Santana 5.96 2013-05-07 Matt Harvey 5.94 2010-08-12 Johan Santana 5.93 2012-06-01 Johan Santana 5.91 *Detailed Schaefer information for 2005 has been lost. I'm pretty sure that Aaron Heilman scored a perfect 6 in April 2005, but I can't prove it.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 30 2013 12:09 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

And, in case you're wondering, these are the highest scores ever earned by position players in a single game: 2008-06-27 Carlos Delgado 5.72 2011-05-12 Carlos Beltran 5.64 2012-07-28 Ike Davis 5.17 2006-08-15 José Reyes 5.03 2010-07-30 David Wright 5.02 2007-09-04 Paul Lo Duca 4.90 2008-08-29 Carlos Beltran 4.87 2006-07-08 José Valentin 4.81 2012-09-02 Jason Bay 4.77 2008-09-07 Carlos Delgado 4.62 2012-09-24 Ike Davis 4.58

Edgy MD Aug 30 2013 01:45 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Wow. Niesie.

themetfairy Aug 30 2013 01:55 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Being the best bat of the game in addition to throwing a shutout will up your beer intake!

Benjamin Grimm Sep 02 2013 09:31 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for the final two games of last week's series against the Phillies will close on Tuesday afternoon, some time after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 8/28/13 - Phillies 6, Mets 2 Schaefer POTG 8/29/13 - Mets 11, Phillies 3

Benjamin Grimm Sep 04 2013 09:26 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for all four of the games listed below will close on Thursday afternoon, some time after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 8/30/13 - Mets 3, Nationals 2 Schaefer POTG 8/31/13 - Mets 11, Nationals 3 Schaefer POTG 9/1/13 - Nationals 6, Mets 5 Schaefer POTG 9/2/13 - Braves 13, Mets 5

Benjamin Grimm Sep 06 2013 07:45 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for the games played in Atlanta on Tuesday and Wednesday will close on Monday morning, some time after 10 a.m. Schaefer POTG 9/3/13 - Braves 3, Mets 1 Schaefer POTG 9/4/13 - Mets 5, Braves 2 SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK, 2013 Week ending April 6: John Buck, 7.21 points. Week ending April 13: Matt Harvey, 9.04 points. Week ending April 20: David Wright, 6.24 points. Week ending April 27: David Wright, 4.68 points. Week ending May 4: Ruben Tejada, 5.03 points. Week ending May 11: Matt Harvey, 5.94 points. Week ending May 18: Daniel Murphy, 10.08 points. Week ending May 25: Daniel Murphy, 6.86 points. Week ending June 1: Daniel Murphy, 5.80 points. Week ending June 8: Omar Quintanilla, 4.59 points. Week ending June 15: David Wright, 6.68 points. Week ending June 22: Omar Quintanilla, 5.20 points. Week ending June 29: Matt Harvey, 8.78 points. Week ending July 6: Kirk Nieuwenhuis, 6.19 points. Week ending July 13: Jeremy Hefner, 8.13 points. Week ending July 20: Marlon Byrd, 4.46 points. Week ending July 27: Matt Harvey, 10.15 points. Week ending August 3: Daniel Murphy, 4.59 points. Week ending August 10: Wilmer Flores, 5.73 points. Week ending August 17: Marlon Byrd, 5.96 points. Week ending August 24: Marlon Byrd, 5.74 points. Week ending August 31: Daniel Murphy, 6.68 points.

Edgy MD Sep 06 2013 07:57 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Bad job by Marlon Byrd defending his title there.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 12 2013 10:17 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for all three games played against the Indians last weekend will close on Friday afternoon, some time after 2 p.m. The middle game of the series is very low on votes; only three people have posted in that thread. Schaefer POTG, 9/6/2013: Indians 8 Mets 1 Schaefer POTG 9/7/03 - Indians 9, Mets 4 Schaefer POTG 9/8/13 - Mets 2, Indians 1

Benjamin Grimm Sep 13 2013 12:25 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK, 2013 Week ending April 6: John Buck, 7.21 points. Week ending April 13: Matt Harvey, 9.04 points. Week ending April 20: David Wright, 6.24 points. Week ending April 27: David Wright, 4.68 points. Week ending May 4: Ruben Tejada, 5.03 points. Week ending May 11: Matt Harvey, 5.94 points. Week ending May 18: Daniel Murphy, 10.08 points. Week ending May 25: Daniel Murphy, 6.86 points. Week ending June 1: Daniel Murphy, 5.80 points. Week ending June 8: Omar Quintanilla, 4.59 points. Week ending June 15: David Wright, 6.68 points. Week ending June 22: Omar Quintanilla, 5.20 points. Week ending June 29: Matt Harvey, 8.78 points. Week ending July 6: Kirk Nieuwenhuis, 6.19 points. Week ending July 13: Jeremy Hefner, 8.13 points. Week ending July 20: Marlon Byrd, 4.46 points. Week ending July 27: Matt Harvey, 10.15 points. Week ending August 3: Daniel Murphy, 4.59 points. Week ending August 10: Wilmer Flores, 5.73 points. Week ending August 17: Marlon Byrd, 5.96 points. Week ending August 24: Marlon Byrd, 5.74 points. Week ending August 31: Daniel Murphy, 6.68 points. Week ending September 7: Daniel Murphy, 4.46 points.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 16 2013 12:13 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for the four games listed below will close on Tuesday, some time after 2 p.m. There are only four votes so far for the 11th, and a pathetic three votes so far for the 12th. Surprisingly, the game with the most votes is the one that the Mets lost 9-0. And... I'll make the official announcement tomorrow, but the games played against the Marlins will close on Wednesday afternoon. If you decide to catch up on the Nationals games, you might as well do the Miami games while you're at it. Schaefer POTG 9/9/13 - Nationals 9, Mets 0 Schaefer POTG 9/10/13 - Nationals 6, Mets 3 Schaefer POTG, 9/11/2013: Nationals 3 Mets 0 Schaefer POTG, 9/12/2013: Nationals 7 Mets 2

Benjamin Grimm Sep 17 2013 06:51 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for all four games played against the Marlins last week will close on Wednesday afternoon, some time after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 9/13/13 - Mets 4, Marlins 3 Schaefer POTG, 9/14/2013 (Gm 1): Marlins 3 Mets 0 Schaefer POTG 9/14/13, Game 2 - Mets 3, Marlins 1 Schaefer POTG 9/15/13 (12 Innings) - Mets 1, Marlins 0

Benjamin Grimm Sep 18 2013 01:17 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK, 2013 Week ending April 6: John Buck, 7.21 points. Week ending April 13: Matt Harvey, 9.04 points. Week ending April 20: David Wright, 6.24 points. Week ending April 27: David Wright, 4.68 points. Week ending May 4: Ruben Tejada, 5.03 points. Week ending May 11: Matt Harvey, 5.94 points. Week ending May 18: Daniel Murphy, 10.08 points. Week ending May 25: Daniel Murphy, 6.86 points. Week ending June 1: Daniel Murphy, 5.80 points. Week ending June 8: Omar Quintanilla, 4.59 points. Week ending June 15: David Wright, 6.68 points. Week ending June 22: Omar Quintanilla, 5.20 points. Week ending June 29: Matt Harvey, 8.78 points. Week ending July 6: Kirk Nieuwenhuis, 6.19 points. Week ending July 13: Jeremy Hefner, 8.13 points. Week ending July 20: Marlon Byrd, 4.46 points. Week ending July 27: Matt Harvey, 10.15 points. Week ending August 3: Daniel Murphy, 4.59 points. Week ending August 10: Wilmer Flores, 5.73 points. Week ending August 17: Marlon Byrd, 5.96 points. Week ending August 24: Marlon Byrd, 5.74 points. Week ending August 31: Daniel Murphy, 6.68 points. Week ending September 7: Daniel Murphy, 4.46 points. Week ending September 14: Daisuke Matsuzaka, 7.14 points.

Edgy MD Sep 18 2013 01:19 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

That didn't just happen. Beeriest week in a month and a half.

themetfairy Sep 22 2013 07:00 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

d'Amn! I initially gave d'Arnaud's Schaefer to den Dekker. I'm going to need to watch myself about conflating those two....

Benjamin Grimm Sep 23 2013 09:37 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for all three games played against the Giants last week will close on Tuesday some time after 2 p.m. All of the games are light on votes at the moment, especially the first two. I'll post an official announcement tomorrow, but you can also look for the weekend games against the Phillies to close on Wednesday afternoon. Schaefer POTG 9/17/13 - Giants 8, Mets 5 Schaefer POTG 9/18/13 - Mets 5, Giants 4 Schaefer POTG 09/19/2013. Giants 2, Mets 1

Benjamin Grimm Sep 24 2013 06:37 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for all three games played in Philadelphia this past weekend will close on Wednesday afternoon, some time after 2 p.m. Hang in there, loyal Schaefer voters! We're almost done! Schaefer POTG 9/20/13 - Mets 6, Phillies 4 Schaefer POTG 9/21/13 - Mets 5, Phillies 4 (6 Innings) Schaefer POTG, 9/22/2013: Mets 4 Phillies 3

Benjamin Grimm Sep 25 2013 07:16 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for Monday night's loss in Cincinnati will close on Thursday afternoon, some time after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 9/23/13 - Reds 3, Mets 2 (10 Innings)

Benjamin Grimm Sep 25 2013 02:15 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK, 2013 Week ending April 6: John Buck, 7.21 points. Week ending April 13: Matt Harvey, 9.04 points. Week ending April 20: David Wright, 6.24 points. Week ending April 27: David Wright, 4.68 points. Week ending May 4: Ruben Tejada, 5.03 points. Week ending May 11: Matt Harvey, 5.94 points. Week ending May 18: Daniel Murphy, 10.08 points. Week ending May 25: Daniel Murphy, 6.86 points. Week ending June 1: Daniel Murphy, 5.80 points. Week ending June 8: Omar Quintanilla, 4.59 points. Week ending June 15: David Wright, 6.68 points. Week ending June 22: Omar Quintanilla, 5.20 points. Week ending June 29: Matt Harvey, 8.78 points. Week ending July 6: Kirk Nieuwenhuis, 6.19 points. Week ending July 13: Jeremy Hefner, 8.13 points. Week ending July 20: Marlon Byrd, 4.46 points. Week ending July 27: Matt Harvey, 10.15 points. Week ending August 3: Daniel Murphy, 4.59 points. Week ending August 10: Wilmer Flores, 5.73 points. Week ending August 17: Marlon Byrd, 5.96 points. Week ending August 24: Marlon Byrd, 5.74 points. Week ending August 31: Daniel Murphy, 6.68 points. Week ending September 7: Daniel Murphy, 4.46 points. Week ending September 14: Daisuke Matsuzaka, 7.14 points. Week ending September 21: Daniel Murphy, 6.64 points.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 26 2013 09:56 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for Tuesday night's win in Cincinnati will close on Friday afternoon, some time after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 9/24/13 - Mets 4, Reds 2

Benjamin Grimm Sep 30 2013 08:43 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for the two games listed below will close on Tuesday afternoon, some time after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 9/25/13 - Mets 1, Reds 0 Schaefer POTG 9/26/13 - Brewers 4, Mets 2

Benjamin Grimm Oct 01 2013 07:20 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

Voting for the final three games of the season will close on Thursday morning, some time after 10 a.m. We'll have the September Players of the Month announcement on Thursday, and the Players of the Year announcement on Friday, thereby wrapping up all Schaefer business for 2013. Schaefer POTG 09/27/2013; Milwaukee 4, Mets 2 Schaefer POTG, 9/28/2013: Brewers 4 Mets 2 Schaefer POTG, 9/29/2013: Mets 3 Brewers 2

metsmarathon Oct 01 2013 12:51 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

thank you for doing this again this year. i'm sorry to have fallen off the wagon in july, though i hope to still be able to update my massive spreadsheet eventually and play along at home, if retroactively.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 01 2013 01:25 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

You're welcome, and no problem. You stuck with it longer than many others did! Just be sure to have m.e.t.b.o.t.'s oil changed by Opening Day 2014. I expect I'll probably continue this tradition next year.

Zvon Oct 01 2013 06:13 PM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

metsmarathon wrote: thank you for doing this again this year. i'm sorry to have fallen off the wagon in july, though i hope to still be able to update my massive spreadsheet eventually and play along at home, if retroactively. Ditto the thanks and I think I didn't miss a one this year. I tried not to anyway. The best thing about this is not only is it a reflection of how this community rates the players, it's also like a bubble gum machine where I put my votes in and kool baseball cards come out.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 03 2013 09:50 AM Re: Schaefer 2013: Ninth Year of Having More Than One!

SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK, 2013 Week ending April 6: John Buck, 7.21 points. Week ending April 13: Matt Harvey, 9.04 points. Week ending April 20: David Wright, 6.24 points. Week ending April 27: David Wright, 4.68 points. Week ending May 4: Ruben Tejada, 5.03 points. Week ending May 11: Matt Harvey, 5.94 points. Week ending May 18: Daniel Murphy, 10.08 points. Week ending May 25: Daniel Murphy, 6.86 points. Week ending June 1: Daniel Murphy, 5.80 points. Week ending June 8: Omar Quintanilla, 4.59 points. Week ending June 15: David Wright, 6.68 points. Week ending June 22: Omar Quintanilla, 5.20 points. Week ending June 29: Matt Harvey, 8.78 points. Week ending July 6: Kirk Nieuwenhuis, 6.19 points. Week ending July 13: Jeremy Hefner, 8.13 points. Week ending July 20: Marlon Byrd, 4.46 points. Week ending July 27: Matt Harvey, 10.15 points. Week ending August 3: Daniel Murphy, 4.59 points. Week ending August 10: Wilmer Flores, 5.73 points. Week ending August 17: Marlon Byrd, 5.96 points. Week ending August 24: Marlon Byrd, 5.74 points. Week ending August 31: Daniel Murphy, 6.68 points. Week ending September 7: Daniel Murphy, 4.46 points. Week ending September 14: Daisuke Matsuzaka, 7.14 points. Week ending September 21: Daniel Murphy, 6.64 points. Week ending September 28: Aaron Harang, 6.02 points.