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IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Swan Swan H Apr 29 2013 10:45 PM

Let's get the taste of that one out of our mouths right away. Hefner, hugh have to suck it up and go deep.

Ceetar Apr 30 2013 07:12 AM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Swan Swan H wrote: Let's get the taste of that one out of our mouths right away. Hefner, hugh have to suck it up and go deep. and why not, we're not protecting Hefner for decades of Mets service, use him up and spit him out!

Swan Swan H Apr 30 2013 07:20 AM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Ceetar wrote: Swan Swan H wrote: Let's get the taste of that one out of our mouths right away. Hefner, hugh have to suck it up and go deep. and why not, we're not protecting Hefner for decades of Mets service, use him up and spit him out! I don"t think he has a snowball's chance of going 9, but he can't get knocked out early. Swallow hard and get the job done.

metirish Apr 30 2013 07:20 AM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

We finished April 2012 with 13 wins and 10 losses So far we are at 10 wins and 14 losses. Need to win tonight.

Frayed Knot Apr 30 2013 07:31 AM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

I don"t think he has a snowball's chance of going 9, but he can't get knocked out early. Swallow hard and get the job done On the other hand, it's not like Atchison, Carson, Hawkins, and Lyon threw a lot of pitches last night/this morning--just 2, 3, 6, and 8 respectively--so they should all be quite ready, willing, and able. Those totals, btw, make up just a minute portion of the total number pitches in the game: 512 You figure Parnell (35), Familia (31), & Rice (17 last night plus work on Sat & Sun) get the day off, as do Koehler (3 innings/50 pitches) and Rauch (3 & 60) from the other side. Ramos (17), Webb (10) and the unused Dunn are probably available with Qualls (26) and Cichek (17 coming off 1 inning/14 pitches on Sunday) questionable depending on necessity.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 30 2013 09:44 AM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

I remember when there were "long relievers" who might be able to go four or five innings in an extra-inning game. What ever happened to the Pat Mahomes or Tom Gormans of the world? Why do you now have to change pitchers every inning or two, even in an extra inning game?

metirish Apr 30 2013 09:46 AM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Glendon Rusch comes to mind....more recently Darren Oliver....

Ceetar Apr 30 2013 09:53 AM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I remember when there were "long relievers" who might be able to go four or five innings in an extra-inning game. What ever happened to the Pat Mahomes or Tom Gormans of the world? Why do you now have to change pitchers every inning or two, even in an extra inning game? Because most of the time you _don't_ use those guys. Why carry the 25th man that's only pitching in blowouts or if the game happens to go 15? If he's good enough to use regularly, you're going to find him innings to pitch regularly, and if he's just eating space to save waste innings.. part of it's that it's hard to keep your arm strength up for 4-5 innings, healthily anyway, without actually pitching. People worry about over-extending pitchers these days, and the idea of having this sacrificial lamb has fallen by the wayside somewhat. I mean, Familia probably could've gone longer for instance. It's not like he's not accustomed in his career to doing so, but you're just not going to risk it with him.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 30 2013 09:53 AM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Is Harvey pitching tonight?

Edgy MD Apr 30 2013 10:44 AM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Ceetar wrote: Because most of the time you _don't_ use those guys. Why carry the 25th man that's only pitching in blowouts or if the game happens to go 15? If he's good enough to use regularly, you're going to find him innings to pitch regularly, and if he's just eating space to save waste innings.. Terry Leach appeared in 52 games in 1988. Darren Oliver in 45 games in 2006. Pat Mahomes appeared in 92 games between 1999 and 2000. These appearances covered a large amount of innings, which served the team. The were not "eating space to save waste innings" (not sure what that means but still), but rather held a little bit more in reserve than other pitchers to be used when a long outing or emergency start might crop up, sparing perhaps several pitchers who maybe are more effective but trained for shorter appearances, and are used with less reserve. There was a pretty demonstrable benefit.

Edgy MD Apr 30 2013 10:45 AM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

And I thought that, by Hefner "going deep," we were referring to his batting acumen.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 30 2013 11:49 AM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Technically, unless a particular guy is making 81-plus appearances in a season, you're not using anyone "most of the time." It seems like we've got a bunch of starters in the organization who don't quite have major-league starter potential... the problem is, instead of buoying the back of the pen, they're starting games like tonight.

Edgy MD Apr 30 2013 12:02 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

There's little reason Jeurys can't be developed as a multiple-inning guy.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 30 2013 01:55 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Edgy MD wrote: Ceetar wrote: Because most of the time you _don't_ use those guys. Why carry the 25th man that's only pitching in blowouts or if the game happens to go 15? If he's good enough to use regularly, you're going to find him innings to pitch regularly, and if he's just eating space to save waste innings.. Terry Leach appeared in 52 games in 1988. Darren Oliver in 45 games in 2006. Pat Mahomes appeared in 92 games between 1999 and 2000. These appearances covered a large amount of innings, which served the team. The were not "eating space to save waste innings" (not sure what that means but still), but rather held a little bit more in reserve than other pitchers to be used when a long outing or emergency start might crop up, sparing perhaps several pitchers who maybe are more effective but trained for shorter appearances, and are used with less reserve. There was a pretty demonstrable benefit. There's some truth to what cee sez. Starting pitchers pitch less innings these days. So relievers, it follows, pitch more frequently. And so the trend is to stock the rosters with shorter relievers who can pitch on more days, if not more innings. Hence, the lack of longer relievers, at least relative to the way things used to be 15 or 20 years ago and before that.

Edgy MD Apr 30 2013 02:04 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Having starters pitch fewer innings, and having relievers pitch fewer innings, screws you at two ends, leaving a mushy middle where lesser pitchers get a disproportionate share of high-leverage innings compared to prior years, to say nothing of a less versatile roster.

Ceetar Apr 30 2013 02:19 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Edgy MD wrote: Having starters pitch fewer innings, and having relievers pitch fewer innings, screws you at two ends, leaving a mushy middle where lesser pitchers get a disproportionate share of high-leverage innings compared to prior years, to say nothing of a less versaitle roste.r Chances are a 'quality' reliever is going to get more innings pitching his specialized one inning than being held in reserve. You don't want to fall into the backup catcher scenario where you're afraid to use you're 7th reliever because tomorrow might go extras. Because then you have a 6-man pen and are overworking those guys. Sure, it'd be nice to have a guy that's okay going 5 innings in a pinch, but if you're using him an inning at a time, or two here and there, chances are either his arm strength isn't there to be effective for long relief, or he's been working extra on the side to maintain arm strength and is probably pitching most of the games you use him in, tired.

Edgy MD Apr 30 2013 03:24 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Ceetar wrote: Chances are a 'quality' reliever is going to get more innings pitching his specialized one inning than being held in reserve. I'm not sure what this means. But if it's something close to what I think it means, it sounds like a false choice. Rich Gossage pitched 99 innings in 1980. Bruce Sutter pitched 102 innings. Craig Kimbrel pitched 62 and Jim Johnson 68 in 2012. You don't want to fall into the backup catcher scenario where you're afraid to use you're 7th reliever because tomorrow might go extras. I'm not sure I or anyone has proposed any scenario that leads to a backup catcher pitching because I'm afraid to use a seventh reliever. That would be intensely stupid. Because then you have a 6-man pen and are overworking those guys. The scenario I propose allows for longer outings but fewer appearances by the typical reliever, which I think is, in many ways the real issue. Sure, it'd be nice to have a guy that's okay going 5 innings in a pinch, but if you're using him an inning at a time, or two here and there, chances are either his arm strength isn't there to be effective for long relief, or he's been working extra on the side to maintain arm strength and is probably pitching most of the games you use him in, tired. It's quite simple really. Very rarely would such a man get five innings. Twice a year, maybe, but his 3-4 inning appearances are important too. Maybe he gets one of those every 10-15 days. He gets 2-3 shorter appearances in between. And it saves higher-leverage specialists work. It's all part of bullpen management. But it was routinely done. These animals do exist. They come up from AAA as starters, capable of putting in a starter's workload but there isn't a slot for them. Many fine starting pitchers worked their way into the rotation having served their apprenticeship as the spot starter/mopup guy. It's got a proud history. I'm not sure what exactly you're contending.

Ceetar Apr 30 2013 03:35 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Edgy MD wrote: Many fine starting pitchers worked their way into the rotation having served their apprenticeship as the spot starter/mopup guy. It's got a proud history. I'm not sure what exactly you're contending. Sure. but that's few and far between. those are the exceptions. Goose Gossage was Hall of Famer. What i'm contending is that often the 7th guy in the bullpen sucks. Even if you're looking for a specific usage scenario, he's still going to suck. The guy that you don't want to pitch too many innings or is 'breaking in' is often going to just dive in. They either monitor the innings in the minors, or he's needed to make starts. fine line to find the usage case inbetween. And in a lot of these cases, they're best used in other ways. And no 'best usage' case ever works out anyway. You may want to try to get him in games, but you may get a week where starters pitch and it's all the high-leverage guys. Anyway, it's simple. Use the best relievers as much as possible. Walk the line between burning them out and under using them. (In our case, Parnell. more Parnell. Keep pitching Parnell. If it's Friday and you're off Monday and Parnell is rested, assume he's pitching every ninth inning as long as the Mets are within 4. ) And hell, the other guys? the one-offers? BURN THEM OUT. If Brandon Lyon is pitching well? Throw him out there until Brian Cashman is threatening to sue for overuse. Milk every last freaking quality inning out of the guys throwing well. Because sooner or later they'll suck again and you can rest them then.

G-Fafif Apr 30 2013 03:52 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Yes, Wright; no Stanton. [u:2wq9ii4p]Mets [/u:2wq9ii4p] Mike Baxter, rf Ruben Tejada, ss David Wright, 3b Lucas Duda, lf Daniel Murphy, 2b Ike Davis, 1b Anthony Recker, c Juan Lagares, cf Jeremy Hefner, rhp [u:2wq9ii4p]Marlins[/u:2wq9ii4p] Juan Pierre, lf Donovan Solano, 2b Placido Polanco, 3b Greg Dobbs, 1b Justin Ruggiano, cf Marcell Ozuna, rf Miguel Olivo, c Nick Green, ss Kevin Slowey, rhp

Ceetar Apr 30 2013 03:54 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

my choice* outfield. *from the available options.

Ashie62 Apr 30 2013 04:08 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

The Mets are starting Hefner because they don't have anyone better.

Zvon Apr 30 2013 05:11 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Ashie62 Apr 30 2013 05:42 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Nice stadium Bob is at..

Ashie62 Apr 30 2013 05:55 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

4th inning.. no score.. Later..

Zvon Apr 30 2013 05:57 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Ashie62 wrote: Nice stadium Bob is at.. The best. Just settling in. Looks like I haven't missed much. Hearing the tail end of a of conversation K&G were having I wish I heard more of that, about pitchers today as opposed to the past. Missed most of that :(

batmagadanleadoff Apr 30 2013 05:59 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Is Harvey pitching tonight?

Edgy MD Apr 30 2013 06:02 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Thing about Marlins games. In the first inning or two, you can spot a guy on TV. "Hey, look at that guy with the handlebar mustache. Hey look at that guy with the Yankee jersey. Hey, who's the skinny tracksuit kid?" But the crowd is so sparse, once you fixate on that guy, you spot him all night, from three or four different camera angles.

Zvon Apr 30 2013 06:11 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

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batmagadanleadoff Apr 30 2013 06:16 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Zvon wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: Is Harvey pitching tonight? [url]http://www.hark.com/reservoir-dogs/har-de-fucking-har ;) Manchurian Harvey

Edgy MD Apr 30 2013 06:17 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Anybody want to talk about the game? Mets go up 1-0, and hopefully won't spend the rest of the game trying to make that run stand.

Zvon Apr 30 2013 06:18 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

1 hit nets one run. Muffy double, Davis Sacfly, Recker Sacfly.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 30 2013 06:24 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Edgy MD wrote: Anybody want to talk about the game? Yeah. Is Harvey gonna pitch in this game or what?

Edgy MD Apr 30 2013 06:26 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Gary Cohen's not gonna keep reading at this pace.

Zvon Apr 30 2013 06:30 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

We all deserve to be in a slump tonight after last nights game.

Frayed Knot Apr 30 2013 06:35 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

We're not hitting tonight at a much faster pace than we were not hitting last night.

Zvon Apr 30 2013 06:39 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Frayed Knot wrote: We're not hitting tonight at a much faster pace than we were not hitting last night. There's that. And Hef looks more than adequate after 6.

Ashie62 Apr 30 2013 06:44 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Duda supporting his local Hefner..

Frayed Knot Apr 30 2013 06:44 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins) Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 30 2013 06:47 PM

Hefner's given up 1 run on 6 hits over his last 13 innings pitched.

Edgy MD Apr 30 2013 06:46 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Slowey is Sweaty.

Zvon Apr 30 2013 06:57 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Wow. Gotta tip my cap to Hef. Ties his previous high for Ks w/7. Up to only 84 pitches after 7.

Ashie62 Apr 30 2013 07:00 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Go nine young Hef..

Edgy MD Apr 30 2013 07:01 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Like the bunt by Lagares. Like letting Hef bat.

Zvon Apr 30 2013 07:04 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Okay Ruggiano. It's about time you went back to being unknown.

Edgy MD Apr 30 2013 07:11 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Let's get that man some runs for the game of his career.

Frayed Knot Apr 30 2013 07:12 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

I don't care what the score is after this next half-inning, Hefner has to at least be allowed to start the bottom of the 9th. At this time last night the game was just starting the 6th inning. And, as it turned out, there was still a full nine yet to play.

Zvon Apr 30 2013 07:14 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

"I provided some motivation."

Frayed Knot Apr 30 2013 07:16 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Zvon wrote: I provided some motivation." Not for baseball you didn't.

Zvon Apr 30 2013 07:18 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

"Whats baseball?"

Edgy MD Apr 30 2013 07:20 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

It's what I think about when. Man, three hard-hit balls in the ninth for naught.

Zvon Apr 30 2013 07:24 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

UGH. Nice time to do that Recker.

Zvon Apr 30 2013 07:26 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Recker wrecks Hefners night.

Edgy MD Apr 30 2013 07:28 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

I'd have gone to the pen after the leadoff guy got on. I'd've had the pen firing on all cylinders, man. Bad choice by Recks, but Wright was right.

Zvon Apr 30 2013 07:28 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Parnell can do a lot to get back in my good graces here.

Zvon Apr 30 2013 07:29 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

UGH, He did come off the base. Daggnabbitt!

Zvon Apr 30 2013 07:29 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Oh, Lyon. DO IT LYON!

Swan Swan H Apr 30 2013 07:31 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

A K and a double play. Nothing to it.

Edgy MD Apr 30 2013 07:32 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Except the K. And the double play.

Swan Swan H Apr 30 2013 07:34 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

It's not too late.

Fman99 Apr 30 2013 07:35 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Ugh.

Zvon Apr 30 2013 07:36 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

never imageless

Fman99 Apr 30 2013 07:37 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Jesus tap dancing fucking Christ.

A Boy Named Seo Apr 30 2013 07:37 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

hi, i'm just logging in to say, 'FUCKING GODDAMN SHIT!' and now i'm gonna go drink some drinks. night, yall.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 30 2013 07:37 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Let's get out there and find an even more humiliating way to lose tomorrow night!

Swan Swan H Apr 30 2013 07:37 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

I thought last night was the worst loss I've seen in a while, but it only took 21 1/2 hours to top it.

metirish Apr 30 2013 07:37 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

What a fucking joke.....a joke...terrible loss.......feel bad for Heffner.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 30 2013 07:38 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Hey, at least this one was short.

Frayed Knot Apr 30 2013 07:42 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

At the first passed ball I knew the game was lost. At the second one the TV was off before the ball was halfway to the backstop.

cooby Apr 30 2013 07:44 PM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Well heck

batmagadanleadoff May 01 2013 08:36 AM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Edgy MD wrote: Because most of the time you _don't_ use those guys. Why carry the 25th man that's only pitching in blowouts or if the game happens to go 15? If he's good enough to use regularly, you're going to find him innings to pitch regularly, and if he's just eating space to save waste innings.. Terry Leach appeared in 52 games in 1988. Darren Oliver in 45 games in 2006. Pat Mahomes appeared in 92 games between 1999 and 2000. These appearances covered a large amount of innings, which served the team. The were not "eating space to save waste innings" (not sure what that means but still), but rather held a little bit more in reserve than other pitchers to be used when a long outing or emergency start might crop up, sparing perhaps several pitchers who maybe are more effective but trained for shorter appearances, and are used with less reserve. There was a pretty demonstrable benefit. There's some truth to what cee sez. Starting pitchers pitch less innings these days. So relievers, it follows, pitch more frequently. And so the trend is to stock the rosters with shorter relievers who can pitch on more days, if not more innings. Hence, the lack of longer relievers, at least relative to the way things used to be 15 or 20 years ago and before that. Edgy MD wrote: Having starters pitch fewer innings, and having relievers pitch fewer innings, screws you at two ends, leaving a mushy middle where lesser pitchers get a disproportionate share of high-leverage innings compared to prior years, to say nothing of a less versatile roster. It screws you at three ends. Because now you need more pitchers. So you have less position players. A player that's not good enough to play every day probably won't make the team unless he can either backstop or play multiple positions. And even then, the bench is still shorter, so a manager has less managerial options. Which is soemwhat ironic because the more pitching changes there are, the more pinch hitters a manager'd like to have. This dramatic change in the makeup of a team really justifies roster expansion to 26. But that'll cost each team an average of over $1M a year between salary expenses, travel costs, extra uniforms and extra salami and lettuce at the post-game buffet. And it's always all about the lettuce. The other lettuce.

Benjamin Grimm May 01 2013 08:46 AM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Terry said that if Marcum had gotten out of the 15th, Anthony Recker would have been his pitcher for the 16th inning. I'd fire Terry just for that. In the era of the expanded pitching staff, you shouldn't run out of pitchers after only 15 innings.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 01 2013 08:49 AM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Disagree. I'd sooner a manager for saving relievers to pitch in the 16th inning of a game they were winning throughout. When Harvey ran low on gas he needed those outs that Carson and Atchison got him. That loss was entirely on the offense and defense.

batmagadanleadoff May 01 2013 08:51 AM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

How does a team get to the 16th inning if they're "winning throughout"?

Benjamin Grimm May 01 2013 08:54 AM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Disagree. I'd sooner a manager for saving relievers to pitch in the 16th inning of a game they were winning throughout. When Harvey ran low on gas he needed those outs that Carson and Atchison got him. That loss was entirely on the offense and defense. Yeah, that's fine. But once the game went into extras he should have made fewer pitching changes.

batmagadanleadoff May 01 2013 08:55 AM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

Benjamin Grimm wrote: But once the game went into extras he should have made fewer pitching changes. This, I totally agree with.

Ceetar May 01 2013 09:15 AM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: But once the game went into extras he should have made fewer pitching changes. This, I totally agree with. Parnell for two (and he was worried about wearing Parnell out off of evidence from last year, and he'd pitched the day before) Familia for two (This is probably where you needed to go longer, but..precious arm I guess?) Then Rice for one, who'd already pitched the previous two games. Probably should've pushed him farther too though. Part of the problem is the pitchers you have left are usually the ones you're looking to have a day off to stay fresh.

smg58 May 01 2013 09:33 AM Re: IGT 4/30/13: A Fresh Start (Mets @ Marlins)

There's no easy answer here. I wouldn't have lost with somebody other than Parnell out there last night, but maybe that wouldn't be in the team's best long-term interests. I have to agree with the notion that the current Mets team won't make any manager look good.