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Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way?
batmagadanleadoff Apr 24 2013 03:00 PM |
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I still do. Mostly. Very mostly.
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seawolf17 Apr 24 2013 03:13 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
I rarely buy CDs any more. I will buy mp3s and digital files, though, when the price is right.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 24 2013 03:18 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
I don't think I will ever buy a record again and I've definitely paid for my last phone/computer jamming MP3.
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Swan Swan H Apr 24 2013 03:29 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
I still buy a lot of CDs, mostly at shows and as part of pre-orders and/or Kickstarter purchases. I think I have done twenty or so Kickstarters (and similar, like Indiegogo) over the past year and a half.
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Ceetar Apr 24 2013 03:29 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
I'm probably an outlier since I don't really listen to music, but probably the only money I've spent directly on music in the last five years was the Bon Jovi concert to open Metlife stadium.
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seawolf17 Apr 24 2013 03:29 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
http://music.yahoo.com/video/mike-dough ... 42417.html
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sharpie Apr 24 2013 03:45 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
I mostly buy CDs, very occasionally buy a song or two from itunes. I do it for a variety of reasons, some of them the reasons that Swan notes. I do like the fetishistic aspect of owning the music, I also like cover art, liner notes and the like. Pandora, cited in the article, I find incredibly annoying with its "we know what you'll like" attitude. My daughter, who works in a cafe in SF, can always tell the cafe that is using Pandora and downgrades them appropriately. There was an article in the NY Times a few months ago about the pitiful royalties artists get for streaming, plus the fact that that whole thing is due for a shakedown, makes me wait.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 24 2013 04:12 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
I'm a mix of Spotify/other streaming and iTunes (supplemented with rippage from library-borrowed CDs), with the mp3-stuffs useful mostly because of the devices we've got for car- and family-use.
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cooby Apr 24 2013 04:52 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
I don't own an MP3 player.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 24 2013 06:43 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
I also miss liner notes and artwork, but the CD/MP3 was deadlier to that the stream. Rdio offers large cover images now, licenses those Ravi reviews (hit or miss) and there's at least good potential for crowd-sourced information and reviews. Since I'm getting it over the computer anyway, it's not a big deal to go to wikipedia or rateyourmusic or discogs to supplement the info as needed. Imperfect but better than Itunes in most ways.
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Fman99 Apr 24 2013 06:57 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
I, uh, "acquired" all of the music I could possibly want to listen to, and store it all at home on a server that I can access from work or my phone. I do occasionally download new music as well though I mostly keep coming back to the stuff from the past that I like.
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themetfairy Apr 24 2013 07:06 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
I still buy CDs. I like listening to them while driving.
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metirish Apr 24 2013 07:30 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
I would guess I haven't bought a CD or any other physical form of music in at least five years......in my car I have a SiriusXM subscription. I can also use Pandora in the car or MOG, but I don't have a MOG subscription. I can if I want use my Google Music on my phone in the car....it works great.....
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vtmet Apr 24 2013 09:57 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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I was expecting a discussion about "vinyl"...which I still listen to more often than CD or MP3...Actually, a lot of my CD's and MP3's started out as vinyl and then converted to digital using my ION USB Turntable (which is hooked up to both my Audio Receiver and to one of my Computers)... I still buy hard-copies of most of my music, but I also listen to a lot of music on the computer using Spotify, Pandora and Youtube (Real Player has a cool feature that you can download a video and then also convert the audio portion of the music into a MP3, which you can burn onto a CD or an MP3 Player)... I have 2 MP3 players, which are IMO, the only way to go when driving long distances...but I've never done a paid download from something like iTunes, or whatever... By the way, you can still buy Vinyl, and Deepdiscount.com has a large variety of LP records (groups are back to releasing LP records again)...but they tend to be expensive... http://www.deepdiscount.com/music_lps_l ... enre_rock/
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vtmet Apr 24 2013 10:03 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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IMO, the majority of "good music" is prior to 1990...there's an occasional good album or a few decent songs, but they are rare since the digital age...
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Batty31 Apr 24 2013 10:10 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
I am running out of room for my massive cd collection so I broke down and bought an iPod a few months back. I will miss liner notes as well but I have no choice at this point. Bought a turntable a couple of years ago...still like to break out the vinyl now and then.
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Mets – Willets Point Apr 24 2013 10:34 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
Whoa, a Batty sighting!
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TransMonk Apr 25 2013 06:58 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
I listen to music in most ways.
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seawolf17 Apr 25 2013 07:37 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
I recently picked up a vinyl-to-digital and cassette-to-digital converter for my eventual basement music room. Looking forward to listening to all my old band tapes.
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Batty31 Apr 25 2013 07:57 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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Hi Willets! Long time no see!
Can I ask which one seawolf? I've been shopping for one of those to convert my old radio air checks and some of my vinyl that's not available on cd.
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Gwreck Apr 25 2013 12:49 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
I am stubbornly old-fashioned and have never once listened to Spotify or Pandora. I buy most of my music on CDs, either ordered online, in an actual store or at a concert.
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cooby Apr 25 2013 06:44 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
Hi Batty!
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TransMonk Apr 26 2013 07:02 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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Agreed. I'm addicted to this radio station. No commercials, DJs who tell you what's playing, regular rotations as well as theme shows. I listen all throughout the work day. I hear a lot of new artists here.
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soupcan Apr 26 2013 07:53 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
I buy all my music from iTunes and have a Sirus/XM subscription for the car.
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Ceetar Apr 26 2013 08:05 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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stream over 4G/3G? I know it caches some, at least Google Play does. I listen to audiobooks via streaming on my phone, and this includes commuting into Manhattan via going under the Hudson and I never have issues.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 26 2013 08:24 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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Rdio allows you to "sync" all the music your phone can fit via wifi for mobile play. I usually have 10 or 12 rekkids and playlists synced up and swap 'em out. Plays back anywhere.
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seawolf17 Apr 26 2013 09:26 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
My issue with the cloud-based services is partially battery life, although also wanting to have my own stuff in there. Live stuff, stuff by bands that aren't on the streams, etc.
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soupcan Apr 26 2013 09:50 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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Okay but then you're paying for that right? And I commute into NYC from CT and for most of the trip the cell service is lousy to non-existent.
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soupcan Apr 26 2013 09:51 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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There's a solution.
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Ceetar Apr 26 2013 09:56 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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I have unlimited data. But yeah, you can load some onto the device as well. Google Play is generally your own stuff, but I guess Rdio or some other services provide you similar ability.
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batmagadanleadoff May 02 2013 08:30 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/ ... ve-an-ipod
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Vic Sage May 03 2013 07:54 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
i can't clean my pot on a download or a stream from some cloud (that sounds like i'm being pissed on by an angel);
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seawolf17 May 03 2013 09:05 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
My cousin hightailed it to LA a few weeks back in hopes of making all his rock n roll dreams come true. New album out today. I haven't actually listened yet, but here it is. Free if you'd like it, or you can toss him a few bucks.
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A Boy Named Seo May 03 2013 11:00 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
Late to this party, but I'm another Rdio (streaming service) guy and love and recommend it highly. Saved thousands of dollars by not buying CD's I may or may not like after getting them home & actually listening to them, and I've discovered so many artists I may have never heard otherwise. Only downsides are the physical art/liner notes thing, and having an endless sea of music in front of you can lead you to be more disposable with albums than you might be purchasing them. That's not necessarily bad, though. The great ones are gonna stick anyway. The phone/data/battery thing has never been a killer for me.
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Edgy MD May 03 2013 12:56 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
Another (largely invisible) downside remains --- artists not getting paid and therefore unable to create more and better music for our edification.
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sharpie May 03 2013 01:14 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
That invisible downside is one of the main reasons I haven't gone over to the streaming side.
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Vic Sage May 03 2013 01:55 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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Well, yeah, there's THAT, too. but don't undersell the clean pot thing.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket May 05 2013 06:09 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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Part of the problem is only 25% of Spotify users pay anything to use it. They remind me in a way of the early dot-commerce players like Webvan who were all about building scale and share before they figured out a sustainable biz model. If they had 20 million users paying to use it maybe they could afford to pay the artists more.
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vtmet May 05 2013 06:48 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
when you watch a commercial on tv, that pays for the show...there are plenty of commercials on Spotify and On Demand and on Hulu, so how is that any different?
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Edgy MD May 05 2013 11:03 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
I can only tell you that the streaming service model, in general, isn't working out for the artist.
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Ceetar May 06 2013 07:12 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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perhaps not yet? But isn't there some of the "customer is always right" to consider? I know that doesn't always apply to art, but in terms of art being profitable it certainly does. And it's nothing specific that's keeping the musician down, they just haven't quite adjusted to modern times yet. I don't know what the answer is, but I don't see music going away, so someone will figure it out. Maybe it'll happen organically, or maybe they need someone innovative. They're hardly the only industry struggling (If it could be said to be struggling, since there certainly seems to be music out there, billions of fans, and rich artists) to adjust in a digital world. The trick is to create a model that's what the listener wants, and, set it up so that's profitable. The entire world is going towards streaming/cloud-based that this method is at least fitting in that.
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Edgy MD May 06 2013 10:00 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
I'd say when it's a choice of accepting a model of collecting pennies on the dollar for your efforts in order to escape a system where you get nothing, no, it's not working. When artists with tens or even hundreds of thousands of fans on all continents are making less than I'm making sitting at my desk typing this, that's wrong. There's no dignity in that.
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Ceetar May 06 2013 10:10 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
but what black marketplace? I get that people aren't paying for music as much anymore, but it's hardly the job of the customer to make sure the artist is making a living. In a perfect world, artists of all types would make a living on their art (of course, what constitutes 'good' enough to make a living is heavily subjective. is hundreds of thousands of fans the threshhold?) from writers to singers and bands and painters, etc.
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Edgy MD May 06 2013 10:22 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
If you don't know about the black marketplace that gutted the music industry, I'm not sure what I can tell you, but it was called free illegal downloading.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 06 2013 10:43 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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I don't think it was your intent, but you just kindasorta made a really gross moral justification, there.
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batmagadanleadoff May 06 2013 11:01 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
Those artists can always do what Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd does: they can avoid the streaming services and the MP3 downloads, and just stick to selling their music in music stores -- the old fashioned way. Then when a fan wants to buy their music, they'll spend the five to 15 bucks for a CD, and the band's commission, percentage wise, will be higher.
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Edgy MD May 06 2013 11:14 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
Well, as soon as you say, "moral elements aside," you've got the argument won, as I'm trying to make a moral and legal argument.
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batmagadanleadoff May 06 2013 11:17 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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I know what your sayin'. But how do you get your music? The old fashioned way? The stream? Downloads? Something else?
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Edgy MD May 06 2013 11:28 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
A little of all. CDs, digital downloads, as well as streaming. I subscribe to a streaming service but don't use it much at all, as I've never really taken the time to optimize it's utility. Plus it (rdio.com) is blocked at work. And my wife, as a musician herself, doesn't like it all. She's only dimly aware of the impact on her fellow musicians, but she likes the consumption of music (and books, for that matter) to come with a tangible package, even though she realizes she's a doomed dodo. But being married to a musician (and reviewing her royalty checks which are hardly worth the paper they're printed on), makes you acutely aware of what's at stake.
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seawolf17 May 06 2013 11:31 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
Why do I have to morally pay $10-15 for a new album? I'm not saying that artists shouldn't be paid for their art, but Ceetar's right.
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Edgy MD May 06 2013 11:35 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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You don't, but you do have to see that with musicians, it was a question of "You either accept this terrible fee structure or accept that people will just continue to steal your music."
But they have little say in setting their price anymore.
About what?
My point --- the streaming industry isn't working for artists. There are other models, great. They are not the norm, and they are hard to establish as such in manner that protects musicians.
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Ceetar May 06 2013 11:43 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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yeah, not my intent. I didn't mean "Screw you, if I can a product for free, i'm going to" I meant, it's not the customers job to figure out how to run a profitable business. I don't really try to make my purchases for moral reasons. If i'm overly aware of them, I try to support the 'better ' company. (If Coke is kicking puppies, I'll try to make a point to buy Pepsi, but if i'm in a store and thirsty and it only has coke?) It's too hard to do that for everything though, and i don't want to spend a half hour doing research on soda companies before buying a can of soda. And most people are like that. We can argue about moral obligations to society all we like, but most people, for most products (everyone has interests that they care more about enough to research and support), just want what they can get at the best cost. If the store has a recycling bin next to the trash, they'll put their cans in there. if not, they'll throw them out. If, via streaming or whatever, they can get the music they want they won't download it for free. Streaming is actually easier than downloading all the specific albums. I set up my wife's Google Play account with all our music (downloaded for free, purchased, and otherwise) and when she goes to put music on she's more apt to put on the radio or Pandora.
It's probably a lesser of two evils choice right now, and it's probably not the ultimate answer (that's 42), but it's probably a step, or at least a learning mistake?
Basically. And that's what I find interesting about all this. How companies adapt, how the world is changing. It's not just the music industry, it's pretty much everything.
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seawolf17 May 06 2013 11:49 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
Inadvertently deleted the part I agreed with from Ceetar: about it not being my responsibility to make sure musicians are making money.
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Edgy MD May 06 2013 11:52 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
I guess we split there. There are tons of moral elements to consumption. It may be tiresome, but it comes around to bite the consumer in the ass every single tiime, so it's in his and her interest to embrace the challenge.
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Ceetar May 06 2013 12:03 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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Even so, you can't do it for EVERY purchase. for me, music falls way down on the list of things I care about. I put in that effort for beer purchases because it's higher on my list. But then, I'm getting what I want from music. Maybe many others are too. Presumably we're talking about the marginally successful musicians that aren't making a living. But what if streaming isn't what's keeping them from making a living, what if it's what's keeping them from being completely unknown? Streaming and downloading maybe alerted people to how little value they were getting for their money by buying albums before.
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metirish May 06 2013 12:06 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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Interesting read, and really interesting to see that Cliff Burnstein along with Metallica have an exclusive deal with Spotify , remember Metallica and especially Lars getting hammered by a lot of people years ago when they took Napster to court , Sean Parker who was a co-founder of Napster is a board member of Spotify.......I have stolen music in the past via peer -to -peer sites...I don't like it and have not done it in years......there is a part of me that felt bad about the artist.....
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Edgy MD May 06 2013 12:12 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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Well, you can, depending on how much you'll be bothered to care. More importantly, federal law, the crafters of which have time and staffs and expertise that we don't have, can be structured to represent the just interests of all Americans in a way that goes beyond their own knowledge.
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Ceetar May 06 2013 12:21 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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well yeah, but I just don't think most people can be that bothered, especially about most things. But yeah, that's where law/rules should/could step in. But the people that can do something here are the artists themselves. Why are they accepting a crappy deal if it's not worth it to them? Hold out! If enough aren't on the streaming sites, people will stop paying for streaming sites. Sure, they'll just download it, but now the streaming sites will be more apt to pay more reasonable rates? Maybe Metallica shouldn't be signing exclusive deals, but using their influence to demand higher rates for everyone?
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Edgy MD May 06 2013 12:31 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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That just about sums up everything about everything right there, doesn't it?
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 06 2013 12:51 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
I don't think there's any moral aspect to my purchasing, which is why I do all my food and appliance shopping at My Neighbor's House Whose Key I Found Several Months Ago and clothe my daughter and wife with things I take from smaller, weaker parents and toddlers.
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batmagadanleadoff May 06 2013 12:57 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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Now that's Darwinian. Me, I don't advocate breaking the law. But all things being equal, I'd rather spend less than more.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket May 06 2013 01:07 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
I guess the artists need to drive a harder bargain with the labels, and the labels with the streamers. My point was that the streamers are terrified to bargain hard with users at least while market share is up for grabs still. They also know that too many end users will turn to illegal alternatives rather than pony up.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 06 2013 01:13 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
Agreed. But "all things being equal" is a pretty important qualifier.
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Vic Sage May 06 2013 01:49 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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Yeah, but all things are NOT equal. Unlike artistic works (a song, or a book, or a play, or a screenplay, or a dance, or a photograph, etc.), a pot, or a typewriter or a beer are NOT the result of artistic accomplishment; they are not cultural artifacts. They are NOT equal. And Article I, Section 8, the "Progress Clause" of our constitution has defined such works as qualitatively different and worthy of protection by law. You can be as Darwinian as you like about Beer or hubcaps, but we have decided as a society that the Arts and Sciences are necessary to advance our civilization, and so we need to grant the creators of them a limited monopoly over their use so they can make a living from them, thus encouraging them to create them. In this way, we not only incentivize the creation of a particular work, we allow for the revenue necessary to create scientific and artistic communities, populated by people who can be professionals in these areas, not just amateurs passing through. And now, this Constitutional expression of our national will, of our values as a society, is being undermined by kids who prefer to steal stuff just because they can, and their parents who rationalize the theft with "why pay more if i can pay less, or why pay anything at all if my kid can just take it?" Yes, this is a decision with a moral dimension. Artists are essential for democratic government, which is why section 8 exists. It's the artist that makes the call to arms, that says the emperor has no clothes, that can lead us in a different direction by first imagining such an alternative exists. Artists are at the forefront of revolutions, and are often the first ones hung. That's not by accident. It's not the brewers, the bakers, or the candlestick makers. So stop with the "all things being equal" bullshit. Because they're not. And all this "well that's the way it is" nonsense is a lot of self-justification for immoral behavior. We're starving our canaries in the coal mine, so lets not be too surprised if we aren't eventually overcome.
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Ceetar May 06 2013 01:59 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
I've hardly an expert, but I certainly feel exposed to more music than say 15 years ago. (and granted, I was young and more unaware then.) Maybe i'm wrong, but there are plenty of rich musicians. I don't see any hampering of creative expression or "this Constitutional expression of our national will, of our values as a society" being hurt. I see plenty of people expecting to be richer than they are and looking for someone to blame instead of looking to be creative or progressive and earn it.
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Edgy MD May 06 2013 02:13 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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Come on. At least try and get the blinders off.
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sharpie May 06 2013 02:18 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
For every "rich musician" there are thouands upon thousands of "not rich" musicians and many of them have more talent than the rich ones, they just don't market themselves as well.
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Swan Swan H May 06 2013 03:03 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
This is not a conceptual thing for me. I know these people. They sleep on my couch, they play in my living room. I go to see them in places where I'm the first 55 year old guy to appear in a year. I wouldn't take their music for free because I know that they carefully pile up money and trade favors just to get the music produced.
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batmagadanleadoff May 06 2013 04:34 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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To the extent that you're responding to my posts, you misunderstood them. Again, I don't advocate breaking the law, or in this case, illegally downloading music, and haven't written anything to suggest that. I'm entirely with you on that point. I'm just recognizing the reality --the harsh reality-- of the marketplace in that most consumers, and by most I'd say more than half, are interested mainly in purchasing - legally - their music for as little as possible. And in determining what medium or format of music to purchase, those consumers might consider the medium itself, (e.g., compact discs, digital music, etc.), the sound quality of the music, the ease of use, the ability to clean their, ahem, pots on said medium, and other factors. But I'd say that for most consumers, the amount of money the recording artists are to receive from those music purchases, is not a factor. The buyers just don't care. And I don't say whether that's good or that's bad. It just is. And so therefore, when I say "all things being equal" on behalf of these hypothetical consumers, I'm not factoring in the artists' compensation issue, because it's not an issue to those buyers. It doesn't influence their purchasing decisions. There are competing and irreconcilable interests at play here, as there are in most economic transactions: the seller wants to receive as much money as possible for her goods or services and the buyer wants to spend as little as possible to acquire those goods or services. I'm not against the artist making more money, nor am I insensitive to his plight (reduced income). I'm just recognizing this new disruptive technology that allows a buyer to acquire a lot more music for a lot less money, but at the expense of the recording artist. The market will sort things out, as it almost always does. What do you suggest -- imposing floors on the selling price of music?
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A Boy Named Seo May 06 2013 06:02 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
Everyone here (I think) agrees that illegally downloading is a shitty thing to do for a multitude of reasons.
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metirish May 06 2013 07:17 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
Good to hear from a person in a band.
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metirish May 16 2013 07:35 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
Google threw the proverbial cat amongst the pengions yesterday with their Spotify rival.....Google Music All Access for $7.99 a month(if you do the trial).
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Edgy MD May 16 2013 07:57 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
And for the ninth consecutive month, metirish wins the "Come up with a Phrase metirish Might Use" contest. "Proverbial cat amongst the pengions"? Come on, you made that up.
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Swan Swan H May 16 2013 08:08 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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I know it's supposed to be 'pigeons,' but reading this on my phone I thought I saw 'pensioners' for a split second.
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metirish May 16 2013 10:58 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
Yes it should be " the proverbial cat amongst the pigeons".
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seawolf17 May 16 2013 11:03 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
Right, but why would a cat be amongst pigeons? Cats fuckin' hate pigeons. Penguins, now. THAT's a cat's jam right there.
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metirish May 16 2013 07:06 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
Enough with proverbial pussies , started my trial....loving it so far.....so far I have searched out a lot of New Order and Joy Division...happy with the results....it's saving to my phone for offline listening......the radio beats Pandora so far.... unlimited skipping.....that can be a good thing and a bad thing. I have found many a good song on Pandora because I didn't want to skip......
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Ceetar May 16 2013 08:12 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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I updated my Google Music app today and now it no workie.
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batmagadanleadoff Jul 26 2013 09:41 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/25/garde ... d=all&_r=0 Philip Elias with a Bang & Olufsen Penta 3 tower speaker. He has six, which cost around $5,000 a pair.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 26 2013 09:56 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
I'd love to have a million LPs and the equipment to make them sound great but it's just not possible in my lifestyle. I am very happy with the Sonos thing I use now. It streams anything, sounds pretty good, and has an easy, elegant program/app that always works. I can move the speaker into the yard and play it there if I want.
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seawolf17 Jul 26 2013 11:24 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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This. Probably 90% of my music listening time is in my car, where the quality doesn't matter, or in my office, where the volume is turned way down so my iPod doesn't shuffle to something with cuss words and offend a potential applicant. So quality is nice, but I'd much rather just have the tunes.
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Edgy MD Oct 14 2013 07:26 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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David Byrne: 'The internet will suck all creative content out of the world'
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batmagadanleadoff Dec 11 2013 05:48 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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Led Zeppelin Says Screw It, Joins Spotify
http://www.grantland.com/blog/hollywood ... in-spotify
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Mets – Willets Point Jan 09 2014 10:31 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
Those of you who use these streaming things on your phone, how do you get them to work in places without a signal? I haven't tried Rdio or Spotify, but Pandora goes dead on the subway. The phone doesn't have much space for mp3s either.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 09 2014 10:37 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
Rdio works anywhere as long as you "sync" what you want to hear first.
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Mets – Willets Point Jan 09 2014 10:43 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
Does the sync'ing take up a lot of space on the phone (say, compared with the same number of mp3s)?
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 09 2014 10:49 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
I don't really know but I keep the list fairly small to be safe (~10 albums, 3 playlists at a time) and just try to delete 1 when I add 1. I also don't bother with mp3's, only a small number on my phone.
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Mets – Willets Point Feb 27 2014 08:20 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
OK, I finally signed up for the 2 week demo of Rdio and I think I'm sold. It works a lot better than I imagined. Thanks for the recommendation!
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 27 2014 09:14 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
Nice. I know there's a free model now that streams ads as well as songs, but I'm convinced ad-less experience is worth the $$.
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seawolf17 Feb 28 2014 07:47 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
Ordered two CDs the other day ($57, with shipping) because my favorite band is British and their stuff isn't available in the States. Birthday gift to myself, I guess.
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Mets – Willets Point Feb 28 2014 10:05 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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The ad version doesn't work on mobile devices either. I was turned off by the $10 a month at first because that's $120 a year and I could by like 10 albums with that and not have them evaporate when subscription expires. But then I realized there are albums I buy and then don't listen to after a few times so it may be more affordable to listen them on Rdio and then only buy the ones I really like. And in the meantime the artists still get a tiny bit of dough from Rdio, which is better than nothing.
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batmagadanleadoff May 21 2014 11:26 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
My newest toy (and I'm betting that I'm the last music collector here to know about this) is the youtube to mp3 converter.
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G-Fafif May 21 2014 11:42 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
This one, too:
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seawolf17 May 21 2014 11:48 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
I use listentoyoutube.com.
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batmagadanleadoff May 21 2014 11:50 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
Not only am I the last to know, but there are a whole slew of other sites that perform the same trick, that I don't know about. Any time limits on those other sites. The site I discovered won't convert a video longer than x (where x, if I remember, is either 10 or 20 minutes).
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Ceetar May 21 2014 11:59 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
In a pinch, you can always click record on the Windows application Sound Recorder and hit play on the youtube video.
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batmagadanleadoff Jun 02 2014 09:59 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
Get the Led out -- 2014!
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batmagadanleadoff Jul 07 2014 04:22 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
538 - the web site that keeps on giving.
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Ceetar Jul 08 2014 07:11 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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I equate this a lot to the whole "Baseball ratings plummeting" story lines. How do you equate streaming to CD sales? How to account for the captive audience prior to digital where if you wanted the one song you had to buy the whole CD? How do you equate piracy to previous sales. Me, for instance. I might torrent an album or song, but that's not instead of buying it, that's instead of ignoring it completely. Now ask the artist if they'd rather me listen to the song and enjoy it, or not even remember who they are in a weeks time? Me knowing, and perhaps liking, the artist might lead me to support them in the future, whether that's in actual music sales or a concert or a t-shirt or simply talking about it. The "simply talking about it" aspect is often overlooked. The value of trending and having your name out there. But that's exactly it. The 'trending' is what the record labels, or publishing companies, or national news media, or whatever, used to do. We need to stop acting like their metrics are the best measuring stick for anything but their own profits.
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Mets – Willets Point Jul 08 2014 07:43 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
Still using Rdio. Works great most of the time. Is there a way to make something other than "Heavy Rotation" the default when I first open the app? Like, perhaps my "Collection."
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HahnSolo Jul 08 2014 08:22 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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You're not the last to know. Thanks for the link.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 08 2014 08:26 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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Don't think so? I never use heavy rotation either, I just click over to recent activity
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batmagadanleadoff Jul 09 2014 09:24 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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http://grantland.com/features/the-case-for-cds/
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TheOldMole Jul 12 2014 07:15 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
Not at all any more,and I don't listen to my old fashioned connection. But I still have nostalgia for the days when I was a serious collector, and if can't pass a bin of 45s without stopping to look.
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batmagadanleadoff Aug 02 2014 09:52 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
I haven't upgraded my iTunes in years, always ignoring the notice that a new version is available. Finally, I had no choice -- replacing my PC and all, and boy does this new version blow. No more cover flow. And I can't find anything. Nothing is where it oughtta be anymore. They always change everything. Like an album view with all the tracks and the # of plays, and star ratings I gave some of the songs. Where the hell did that go?
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Mets – Willets Point Aug 03 2014 09:02 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
My computer is so old that I can't upgrade iTunes. I get admonishments popping up nearly daily, but if they can't make the program work on my OS they can just screw off.
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d'Kong76 Aug 04 2014 06:08 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
Weren't you the original Apple-or-nothing guy here?
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Mets – Willets Point Aug 05 2014 11:17 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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Not me. I do have an Apple iMac, but I got it on sale because my sister was part-timing at the Apple Store back then. I'm pretty much brand agnostic.
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batmagadanleadoff Aug 10 2014 12:51 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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This new version of iTunes I'm running (11.3.1.2) is a nightmare. It doesn't accept MP3's converted from Youtube. I googled this issue and it's a common problem. The solutions out there on the web are useless - a combination of gibberish, wiseass comments, and well-intentioned advice that doesn't help. The converter downloads the MP3's into my PC, but it's not going into iTunes. I've tried to manually move the converted MP3's into my iTUnes folder, but that doesn't work either. iTunes won't play the MP3's converted from videos. Anyone else encounter this? Anyone know a fix? Don't upgrade to the new iTunes if there isn't a fix. I'm guessing that iTunes is blocking these converter programs because they're cutting into the $$ Apple makes from selling songs.
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Ceetar Aug 10 2014 11:09 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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I've encountered similar "wrong mp3 version" issues with old version of iTunes back when I had an iPod. There are programs out there, some of them free/trial (I'm using xilisoft audio converter but pirated) even, to convert to the proper version or simply to .AAC.
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themetfairy Aug 10 2014 11:14 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
Several years ago, one of iTunes' "upgrades" totally wiped out my ability to use the program on my PC. After hours on the phone with tech support, Apple wiped its hands of the mess of its own creation. I was eventually able to figure out that an update of Shockwave would solve the problem, but since then I've stayed away from any iTunes updates.
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d'Kong76 Aug 10 2014 11:27 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
Running iTunes on a PC has historically been an adventure
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batmagadanleadoff Aug 10 2014 01:41 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
I found two sites, this one --http://www.oldapps.com/itunes.php, and another where you can download old apps, including older versions of iTunes. I don't trust the sites, figgering that I'm gonna get all kinds of unwanted extra crap and maybe some viruses or malware to boot. But I still have my old PC. So I'm gonna use the old PC as a guinea pig in this experiment and try and download an older version of iTunes on that.
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batmagadanleadoff Aug 10 2014 02:22 PM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
Well, that did nothing. I downloaded an old iTunes version and it didn't take. Still have the crappy new version that doesn't have a cover flow and prevents me from legally loading songs stripped from youtube videos. I'm sure I just infected my old PC with some nasty stuff in the process.
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seawolf17 Aug 11 2014 07:59 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
I've never had a problem with the mp3s I've pulled off "listentoyoutube" in iTunes.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 11 2014 09:44 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
iTunes is so 2005, man. Get with the cool kids already.
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batmagadanleadoff Aug 11 2014 11:05 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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I'm giving myself one giant clapper because I solved the problem of the disabled converted MP3's all by myself without any help from anyone. I got the idea to open up the file properties of one of those disabled MP3's and compare it to the file properties of some MP3 that plays in iTUnes to see if there were any differences.
I'm turning into a square. Do the cool kids even say "square"? I'd bet that iTunes aside, just using the word "square" makes you a square.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 15 2014 09:18 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
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Man, I guess you could now file the MP3 under old fashioned.
http://www.wired.com/2014/09/rip-ipod/
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seawolf17 Sep 15 2014 09:23 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
Well, shit.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 15 2014 10:13 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
I walked through the new(-ish) Rough Trade record store in Williamsburg over the weekend, it's a big vinyl store like in the old days, except: LPs seemed to start at $26 apiece, with many from the 60s and 70s section priced at $38+, with stickers noting new quality vinyl pressing or whatever. But there's no option for standard quality at a lower retail, and definitely no THE NICE PRICE stickers that helped me afford what little music I could buy when I was a kid.
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sharpie Sep 15 2014 11:55 AM Re: Anybody here still buy their music the old fashioned way |
It's a great looking store and apparently has a good venue in there for seeing music but it's way too expensive. Amoeba Music in SF and LA know how to do it right - gigantic selection at very cheap prices.
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