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IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

metirish
May 07 2013 07:37 AM

@Jay_HorwitzPR 2h
Matt Harvey has Mets permission to skip game tomorrow and be at MSG to root on Rangers. Matt has not seen Rangers lose at home. 6-0.


an hour later

@Jay_HorwitzPR 24m
Jeff Wilpon not happy that Matt Harvey was leaving for game. Instead Jeff said he would put entire game on board at Citi so Matt could stay.



I tend to agree with him not being allowed to go

Benjamin Grimm
May 07 2013 07:40 AM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Wait... what?

The Citi Field scoreboard will be showing an entire hockey game while the Mets are playing???

Why can't Harvey watch the game in the clubhouse?

metirish
May 07 2013 07:42 AM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Exactly , it would seem distracting to say the least......especially the Rangers awful PP......

Benjamin Grimm
May 07 2013 07:45 AM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Ewwww.... I wasn't aware that the Rangers had "awful peepee". TMI!

Edgy MD
May 07 2013 07:54 AM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

I'm guessing Jay was making a funny.

Ceetar
May 07 2013 07:54 AM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

I'm going tonight. Wonder if I can sneak peaks at the Isles game in the Caesar's club.

(yeah, the Jay thing was a joke)

Ashie62
May 07 2013 09:12 AM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

There was a Zamboni race outside the Garden yesterday won by jockey Ron Duguay...Class baby!!!

vtmet
May 07 2013 10:30 AM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

it does make me wonder: How often does yesterday's starter suit up for today's game? Is it a requirement? They just threw 120 pitches, no sane team would allow him to pitch in the next game, so what does it accomplish to require him to be there?

Ceetar
May 07 2013 10:32 AM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

vtmet wrote:
it does make me wonder: How often does yesterday's starter suit up for today's game? Is it a requirement? They just threw 120 pitches, no sane team would allow him to pitch in the next game, so what does it accomplish to require him to be there?


yes, but he's the perfect extra pinch runner or pinch bunter.

mostly just camaraderie and what not. it's his job, he's supposed to be there. Baseball players don't really get PTO days.

Swan Swan H
May 07 2013 11:27 AM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Yeah, the previous day's starter is usually there in sneakers and a warm-up top, spitting sunflower seeds and laughing at Duda trying to go back on a line drive.

vtmet
May 07 2013 11:39 AM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Ceetar wrote:
it does make me wonder: How often does yesterday's starter suit up for today's game? Is it a requirement? They just threw 120 pitches, no sane team would allow him to pitch in the next game, so what does it accomplish to require him to be there?


yes, but he's the perfect extra pinch runner or pinch bunter.

.


The Mets have had plenty of flaws over the years...but they have had their share of pitchers that could hit almost as well as some of their 24th/25th players on the team (some from semi-recent history):
Harvey;
RA Dickey;
Orlando Hernandez;
Brian Bannister;
Benson;
Zambrano;
Trachsel;
Glavine;
John Thomson;
Pat Mahomes;

In the case of Brian Bannister, there were days that I think that he would have been a better choice at 2nd base than at pitcher...

Edgy MD
May 07 2013 11:50 AM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

I think of Brian as a pretty secondbasey name. But what do I get? Giles ... Bixler. Not much.

It's probably more typical for skinny, fringey white pitchers, though: Bohanon, Bannister, Lawrence, Rose (not so skinny that last one, though).

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 07 2013 12:38 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Niese hit that PH triple once (2011?).

seawolf17
May 07 2013 12:49 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Mike Hampton. And going further back, Ronnie and Doc and Sid.

Ceetar
May 07 2013 12:52 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Glavine was not a good hitting pitcher, in fact he was one of the worst hitters in the league over the last 20-25 years or so to get a certain minimum amount of PA.

Benjamin Grimm
May 07 2013 12:57 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

I found these pinch-hitting appearances by Mets pitchers. Those who did not make an out are in bold.

6/8/1962 Jay Hook 8 inning K/C
4/24/1965 Warren Spahn 9 inning 3/G
7/27/1967 Don Cardwell 11 inning K
4/15/1968 Don Cardwell 22 inning 14/SH
5/2/1970 Tom Seaver 7 inning 63
5/15/1971 Tom Seaver 5 inning FC/SH
8/21/1980 Roy Lee Jackson 2 inning 8
4/14/1986 Rick Aguilera 12 inning W
7/9/1986 Rick Aguilera 7 inning E5
7/20/1986 Rick Aguilera 12 inning K
7/22/1986 Rick Aguilera 10 inning W
8/1/1990 David Cone 11 inning S8/L4MD
8/10/1992 Dwight Gooden 16 inning S/G13
8/31/1992 Dwight Gooden 13 inning 4/L4D
10/3/1993 Dwight Gooden 9 inning T9
8/22/1997 Brian Bohanon 10 inning K
9/12/1997 Brian Bohanon 14 inning S7/L6D/R6
8/30/1999 Pat Mahomes 9 inning K
5/13/2000 Mike Hampton 9 inning K
8/22/2000 Rick White 7 inning K
10/1/2000 Rick White 10 inning 31/G
4/13/2002 Steve Trachsel 11 inning 63/G
5/17/2002 Mark Corey 9 inning K
7/12/2003 Tom Glavine 11 inning 63/G
6/15/2004 Tom Glavine 7 inning 63/G
6/23/2004 Steve Trachsel 11 inning 63/G
9/11/2004 Tom Glavine 13 inning W
7/28/2007 Tom Glavine 9 inning 63/G
6/24/2009 Livan Hernandez 8 inning 54(1)3/GDP
4/17/2010 Jon Niese 15 inning K
5/16/2011 Jon Niese 11 inning T8/F

dinosaur jesus
May 07 2013 01:14 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

If you were looking for a ground ball to short, Tom Glavine was your man.

seawolf17
May 07 2013 01:20 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Looked up why Roy Lee Jackson pinch-hit in the second inning in 1980; that was Craig Swan's last start before losing the rest of that season to a rotator-cuff injury. Jackson didn't then come in to pitch; Pete Falcone pitched the last seven innings and got the W.

Edgy MD
May 07 2013 01:29 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

I (incredibly) remember that game well. Falcone was the Mets' best hitting pitcher by reputation (though Jackson was no slouch). Torre was specifically asked why Falcone wasn't his pinch-hitter and he said he said he thought about it, but Falcone wasn't done warming up.

Now, ask me where the cake knife is in my house and it's another story.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 07 2013 01:37 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

dinosaur jesus wrote:
If you were looking for a ground ball to short, Tom Glavine was your man.


His brother Mike taught him how. Or something like that.

G-Fafif
May 07 2013 01:47 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Mets lineup for Harvey's 7th start of 2013:

Ruben Tejada – SS
Daniel Murphy – 2B
David Wright – 3B
John Buck – C
Lucas Duda – LF
Andrew Brown – RF
Ike Davis – 1B
Juan Lagares – CF
Matt Harvey - RHP

Mets lineup for Seaver's 7th start of 2013:

Bud Harrelson SS
Al Luplow CF
Ed Charles 3B
Tommy Davis LF
Ed Kranepool 1B
Jerry Buchek 2B
Ron Swoboda RF
John Sullivan C
Tom Seaver P

Other than 3B, 2B and C, would you necessarily take anything 2013 is offering over what 1967 put out there?

Ceetar
May 07 2013 01:51 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

LF. and from a lineup perspective, P.

Hey, the Mets are second in the NL in runs, gotta be doing something right right?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 07 2013 01:53 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

I like Lagares over Luplow.

Frayed Knot
May 07 2013 01:57 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

LA Dodger Pitchers at bat to date this season: .157/.204/.255
LA Dodger 3B-men at bat to date this season: .162/.262/.189

Of course that's more an indictment of their 3rd-sackers than it is in praise of their pitchers, but still.



How often does yesterday's starter suit up for today's game? Is it a requirement? They just threw 120 pitches, no sane team would allow him to pitch in the next game, so what does it accomplish to require him to be there?


- Suit up, as in in uniform? ... all the time; can't be in the dugout otherwise. Probably isn't wearing spikes and cups however.
- A requirement? -- no, but almost no one would simply give the pitcher a day off to go shopping or whatever; bad for team unity and all that. There was the case of Roger Clemens late in his career getting entire road trips off if he wasn't scheduled to pitch, but he was already bad for team unity.
- Non working starters used to chart the pitches although I don't think they do that anymore. Usually it was the next day hurler although some teams gave that job to the previous day's guy.

Ceetar
May 07 2013 02:05 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

LA Dodger Pitchers at bat to date this season: .157/.204/.255
LA Dodger 3B-men at bat to date this season: .162/.262/.189


- Non working starters used to chart the pitches although I don't think they do that anymore. Usually it was the next day hurler although some teams gave that job to the previous day's guy.



there was a story about Niese doing just that last year I think, so maybe they still do to some regard.

B.J. Upton .148/.231/.269

Swan Swan H
May 07 2013 02:12 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Going back to the hitting pitcher discussion, based on one AB and trip around the bases Mr. Koo must be mentioned.

G-Fafif
May 07 2013 02:17 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Another lineup featuring a 2004 Met:

Alejandro De Aza, lf
Jeff Keppinger, 2b
Alex Rios, rf
Adam Dunn, 1b
Conor Gillaspie, 3b
Alexei Ramirez, ss
Tyler Flowers, c
Dewayne Wise, cf
Hector Santiago, lhp

Mr. Keppinger will be coached, in part, by Joe McEwing, completing our troika of 2004 Mets for the evening unless I'm missing Bartolome Fortunato in the back of the ChiSox bullpen.

Edgy MD
May 07 2013 02:18 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Frayed Knot wrote:
LA Dodger Pitchers at bat to date this season: .157/.204/.255
LA Dodger 3B-men at bat to date this season: .162/.262/.189

Zach Lutz for Clayton Kershaw. MAKE IT HAPPEN!

Edgy MD
May 07 2013 02:21 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

G-Fafif wrote:
Mr. Keppinger will be coached, in part, by Joe McEwing, completing our troika of 2004 Mets for the evening unless I'm missing Bartolome Fortunato in the back of the ChiSox bullpen.

Plus Daryl Boston coaching first. Plus Dale Torborg as conditioning coordinator.

G-Fafif
May 07 2013 02:23 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Not 2004 Mets, but timeless Mets.

Swan Swan H
May 07 2013 02:28 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

That is a very unscary White Sox lineup.

vtmet
May 07 2013 02:54 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Ceetar wrote:
Glavine was not a good hitting pitcher, in fact he was one of the worst hitters in the league over the last 20-25 years or so to get a certain minimum amount of PA.


In 3 of his 4 seasons as a Met, he hit over .200 (which for a pitcher, is pretty decent)...

http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... to02.shtml

vtmet
May 07 2013 02:56 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

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Edgy MD wrote:
G-Fafif wrote:
Mr. Keppinger will be coached, in part, by Joe McEwing, completing our troika of 2004 Mets for the evening unless I'm missing Bartolome Fortunato in the back of the ChiSox bullpen.

Plus Daryl Boston coaching first. Plus Dale Torborg as conditioning coordinator.



besides the lunch boxes and all the products that the Kiss Army brainwashed kids with...They also participated in fake Wrestling?

Frayed Knot
May 07 2013 03:21 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Wait, wrestling is fake?!?

Ashie62
May 07 2013 04:40 PM
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Zvon
May 07 2013 05:13 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)


Playball

Zvon
May 07 2013 05:14 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

wtf? Harveys bleeding.

Zvon
May 07 2013 05:16 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

And Dudas playin left with a toothpick in his mouth? This is gonna be a strange game.

Zvon
May 07 2013 05:18 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

So Harvey has a bloody nose and its just pouring blood down into his mouth, which he spits out, and I don't know whats going on but he sure looks fuckin scary. He's pitching fine. Its like no one noticed.

Zvon
May 07 2013 05:24 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Reports are just a simple scary bloody nose. That was wacky. He should always do that. He looked baaaadass.

Edgy MD
May 07 2013 05:26 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Wright's getting a good look at this guy.

Ashie62
May 07 2013 05:28 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Kate came from the North Pole to see Harvey bleed for his team...Who am I kidding, this is a gratuitous post.

Zvon
May 07 2013 05:29 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Harvey went to the trainers room.


"Can I give you something for that nose?"

Edgy MD
May 07 2013 05:29 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Nice ride from Buck.

This guy looks like somebody that righties could eat up. I'd start McEwing against this guy.

Zvon
May 07 2013 05:32 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Quite an at bat by Duds

Edgy MD
May 07 2013 05:38 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Harvey at home. How could Keith be missing this game?

Zvon
May 07 2013 05:40 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

G-Fafif wrote:
Mets lineup for Harvey's 7th start of 2013:

Ruben Tejada – SS
Daniel Murphy – 2B
David Wright – 3B
John Buck – C
Lucas Duda – LF
Andrew Brown – RF
Ike Davis – 1B
Juan Lagares – CF
Matt Harvey - RHP

Mets lineup for Seaver's 7th start of 2013:

Bud Harrelson SS
Al Luplow CF
Ed Charles 3B
Tommy Davis LF
Ed Kranepool 1B
Jerry Buchek 2B
Ron Swoboda RF
John Sullivan C
Tom Seaver P

Other than 3B, 2B and C, would you necessarily take anything 2013 is offering over what 1967 put out there?

If we are going back in time to get them and bring them to now, I'd go with Kranepool over Ike just to see Ed play another 20 years for the Mets.

Zvon
May 07 2013 05:44 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

That guy who Kevins talking to is a very good photographer. I've seen his Met stuff and he's a big fan.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 07 2013 05:47 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Edgy MD wrote:
Harvey at home. How could Keith be missing this game?


He can't broadcast with a loosened belt, see?

Edgy MD
May 07 2013 05:47 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Zvon wrote:
That guy who Kevins talking to is a very good photographer. I've seen his Met stuff and he's a big fan.

Recruit him. We need blood.

Ike missing the change by lots for strike three. Would be a good night to sit him, thinks I.

Zvon
May 07 2013 05:52 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Edgy MD wrote:
Zvon wrote:
That guy who Kevins talking to is a very good photographer. I've seen his Met stuff and he's a big fan.

Recruit him. We need blood.


We've had enough blood for one evening. That was so bazaar.

The scrubs try to set stuff up for stuff to happen and nothing happens.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 07 2013 05:57 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Hovvey is eating these guys alive

seawolf17
May 07 2013 05:58 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Harvey at home. How could Keith be missing this game?

Hampies traffic?

Edgy MD
May 07 2013 05:59 PM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Hovvey is eating these guys alive


soupcan
May 07 2013 06:05 PM
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The word of the day is 'demeanor'.

Brought to you by the letter 'D' and John Franco.

Benjamin Grimm
May 07 2013 06:11 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Nice play by Wright! Might be the play that saves the Bloody Nose Perfect Game!

Zvon
May 07 2013 06:12 PM
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batmagadanleadoff
May 07 2013 06:13 PM
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Edgy MD
May 07 2013 06:21 PM
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Zvon wrote:
Zvon wrote:
That guy who Kevins talking to is a very good photographer. I've seen his Met stuff and he's a big fan.

Recruit him. We need blood.


We've had enough blood for one evening. That was so bazaar.

Find us a new poster.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 07 2013 06:22 PM
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I may or may not have single-serve spot-started-- or "streamed," as it were-- Mr. Santiago in an important pretend-baseball league, with plenty of money and pride attached. If I did, I'd be very comfortable with that decision.

Considering OUR hurler's Harvulous results thus far, though, I'm a little less comfortable with the decision NOT to bring YoungerPooper to the ballpark after picking her up at daycare near Kissena Park.

seawolf17
May 07 2013 06:23 PM
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Bleeding and throwing 96. SUCK IT, SCHILLING.

Edgy MD
May 07 2013 06:23 PM
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Know what Harvey could use?

Runs.

batmagadanleadoff
May 07 2013 06:24 PM
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Benjamin Grimm
May 07 2013 06:25 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Know what Harvey could use?

Runs.


Yes, at least one.

Five perfect innings so far.

Frayed Knot
May 07 2013 06:26 PM
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Matt is bloody good so far -- although as much as I'd like to see a perfect game I don't want to have to need one.

Gwreck
May 07 2013 06:28 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Greetings from Europe where it is 3:00 AM and I can't go to sleep until the game ends or the White Sox get a hit, whichever comes first. Thanks Matt.

Edgy MD
May 07 2013 06:30 PM
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Perhaps the last time I'll say this about the guy, but Byrd would be eating this guy up.

Zvon
May 07 2013 06:31 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Edgy MD wrote:
That guy who Kevins talking to is a very good photographer. I've seen his Met stuff and he's a big fan.

Recruit him. We need blood.


We've had enough blood for one evening. That was so bazaar.

Find us a new poster.


I don't know the guy. I know his work through Flicker. I think I bookmarked it. Good material for graphics.

Come on Capt Wright...

Zvon
May 07 2013 06:31 PM
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Gwreck wrote:
Greetings from Europe where it is 3:00 AM and I can't go to sleep until the game ends or the White Sox get a hit, whichever comes first. Thanks Matt.

wow.

Edgy MD
May 07 2013 06:32 PM
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Iassonga calling the low one all night on both teams.

batmagadanleadoff
May 07 2013 06:36 PM
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Zvon
May 07 2013 06:37 PM
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DELAY OF GAME!

batmagadanleadoff
May 07 2013 06:39 PM
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seawolf17
May 07 2013 06:40 PM
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My love for Matt Harvey is deep and strong.

Zvon
May 07 2013 06:40 PM
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Don't give me time to bleed.

Benjamin Grimm
May 07 2013 06:41 PM
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Six perfect innings.

Must... score... runs....

Is Harvey Haddix still alive?

Fman99
May 07 2013 06:41 PM
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This is exciting. Now, score a fucking run please.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 07 2013 06:42 PM
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Gwreck wrote:
Greetings from Europe where it is 3:00 AM and I can't go to sleep until the game ends or the White Sox get a hit, whichever comes first. Thanks Matt.


Say hi to Bruce for us.

Lefty Specialist
May 07 2013 06:42 PM
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Zvon
May 07 2013 06:45 PM
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omg, what were u lookin 4 there Duds?

Zvon
May 07 2013 06:48 PM
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They put the camera on Matt in the dugout and somehow he hypnotized me. Those eyes. THOSE EYEEEEES!!!

*leaves PC and walks mindlessly towards NYC

batmagadanleadoff
May 07 2013 06:51 PM
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Fman99
May 07 2013 06:51 PM
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Sit yo ass down, strikeout victim #7.

Edgy MD
May 07 2013 06:52 PM
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Zvon
May 07 2013 06:53 PM
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seawolf17
May 07 2013 06:53 PM
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Aaaaaand dammit.

Fman99
May 07 2013 06:53 PM
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Dang.

metirish
May 07 2013 06:54 PM
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Damn

batmagadanleadoff
May 07 2013 06:54 PM
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Harvey Haddix = Hard Luck

Lefty Specialist
May 07 2013 06:55 PM
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Reyes woulda got him.

batmagadanleadoff
May 07 2013 06:55 PM
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Edgy MD
May 07 2013 06:56 PM
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Maybe Tejada would have been better off planting there instead of... being like that other guy.

vtmet
May 07 2013 06:57 PM
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Lefty Specialist wrote:
Reyes woulda got him.


probably...Tejada has no arm to his backhand side, it seems like he pulls the Jeter-wanta-be throw on virtually anything to his backhand and gets absolutely nothing on it...a 2nd baseman playing out of position...

Zvon
May 07 2013 07:00 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Harvey Haddix = Hard Luck


Nah, that was kool. Okay, we still got a game to win here.

I thought Rubin hesitated in mid air, and thats impossible. He seemed to slow down there and I think he had more time to set and throw. But thats a bang bang decision for him. He went with the showy-er move.

Ashie62
May 07 2013 07:05 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

CAN WE GET AT LEAST ONE RUN FOR THE GUY?

Zvon
May 07 2013 07:06 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Man, "The Bloody Nose Perfect Game" would have been such a perfect name for the perfect game, but alas...

So now its "The Almost Perfect Bloody Nose Game" and that's not as kool.

Ashie62
May 07 2013 07:16 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Need to win before calling it much of anything...

Zvon
May 07 2013 07:18 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Ashie62 wrote:
Need to win before calling it much of anything...

Nah. We'll just add to it. "The Almost Perfect Bloody Nose Game That We _____".

batmagadanleadoff
May 07 2013 07:18 PM
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Edgy MD
May 07 2013 07:19 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Barry Lyons' all-time 33 crown is in serious jeopardy.

batmagadanleadoff
May 07 2013 07:21 PM
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Fman99
May 07 2013 07:21 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Fuck yeah, 9 IP, 1 H, 0 BB, 12 Ks. Now go get him a win you bastards.

Edgy MD
May 07 2013 07:22 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

That didn't look like the batter went, to me. But holy crap.

Zvon
May 07 2013 07:22 PM
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"Well, how did I look mates?"
"You looked bloody fantastic !"

Ashie62
May 07 2013 07:25 PM
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Zvon wrote:

"Well, how did I look mates?"
"You looked bloody fantastic !"


It is the eyes...

Zvon
May 07 2013 07:25 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Ten?

Zvon
May 07 2013 07:26 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

I mean, if this was game four of the World Series, I can see it, but...Parnell gets up.

Ashie62
May 07 2013 07:26 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Duda the Douchenoozle..

batmagadanleadoff
May 07 2013 07:27 PM
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Edgy MD
May 07 2013 07:29 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Looks like somebody just shook his hand. He's done.

Ashie62
May 07 2013 07:31 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Screw Strasburg, I'll take Harvey..

Zvon
May 07 2013 07:32 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Wow. What a performance. And he was just cruisin. Amazin' to watch.

Okay Parnell, go on and break maheart.

Zvon
May 07 2013 07:33 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

...an infield fuckin single.

Ashie62
May 07 2013 07:35 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Please let this not turn into a cockpunch loss...

Ashie62
May 07 2013 07:37 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

LETS GO METS!

Zvon
May 07 2013 07:39 PM
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Fman99
May 07 2013 07:41 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Do you bunt Ike over here with no out?

Frayed Knot
May 07 2013 07:42 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Fman99 wrote:
Do you bunt Ike over here with no out?


I wouldn't, Terry will.

Frayed Knot
May 07 2013 07:43 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Wow! I'd go with a LHP v Baxter

Zvon
May 07 2013 07:44 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Turnip is starting to look like this dude I used to go to Grateful Dead concerts with.

Edgy MD
May 07 2013 07:44 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

You call these guys up from AAA where they've been batting third-fourth-fifth in the lineup, and ask them to bunt, sometimes you get indifferent results. --- Ron Darling.


Good job, anyhuck.

Fman99
May 07 2013 07:44 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

PUT THAT SHIT IN YOUR BOOKS!

Edgy MD
May 07 2013 07:44 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

[bigpurple:9dwynk58]OUR BENCH RAWKS!![/bigpurple:9dwynk58]

Ashie62
May 07 2013 07:44 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Frayed Knot
May 07 2013 07:45 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Frayed Knot wrote:
Wow! I'd go with a LHP v Baxter


Thank you Sir Robin

Zvon
May 07 2013 07:45 PM
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Edgy MD
May 07 2013 07:46 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Don't know why Ventura didn't play Baxter to pull. If Rios cuts that off, I imagine, Davis is on third.

Edgy MD
May 07 2013 07:47 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Funny to hear them openly discuss Buck's assault on Valdespin.

Frayed Knot
May 07 2013 07:50 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Also nothing wrong with a 10 inning game clocking in at 2 hours 30 minutes

Zvon
May 07 2013 07:53 PM
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Great game for Harvey. Lil pissed we didn't score til the end, but how mad can you be with a win? Shudda been bloody Harveys win.
"The Almost Perfect Extra Inning Bloody Nose Game That We Won In Ten Innings"

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 07 2013 07:55 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Edgy MD wrote:
Don't know why Ventura didn't play Baxter to pull. If Rios cuts that off, I imagine, Davis is on third.


It was somewhat odd even to have pitched to Baxter, with a lefty in the pen ready.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 07 2013 08:24 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

#BloodyAmazin

vtmet
May 07 2013 08:40 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Zvon wrote:

"Well, how did I look mates?"
"You looked bloody fantastic !"


he kind of looks like Nicholas Cage (Coppola) in that picture...

vtmet
May 07 2013 08:45 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Edgy MD wrote:
You call these guys up from AAA where they've been batting third-fourth-fifth in the lineup, and ask them to bunt, sometimes you get indifferent results. --- Ron Darling.


Good job, anyhuck.


My memory is a little clouded...but if I remember correctly in the 1988 playoffs...Gregg Jefferies was lauded as some sort of infallible hit-machine that could even hit homeruns while swinging a bat underwater as a minor leaguer...and then in one of the few times that I can remember Davey Johnson stooping to sacrifice bunting, he had Jefferies trying to bunt in a situation that he probably never bunted in his life...and Jefferies looked more pathetic bunting at the ball than even Al Leiter ever looked with a bat (and Leiter was one of the most awkward hitters that I've ever seen in my life)...

Swan Swan H
May 07 2013 08:48 PM
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I'd like to thank Mother Nature for raining out Saturday's game and pushing my friend Harvey to a game we were attending. Lots of buzzing in the stairwells after the game.

dinosaur jesus
May 07 2013 08:58 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Swan Swan H wrote:
I'd like to thank Mother Nature for raining out Saturday's game and pushing my friend Harvey to a game we were attending. Lots of buzzing in the stairwells after the game.


Do they still have those paper wasps in the stairwells? Those things are nasty.

Edgy MD
May 07 2013 09:09 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Also nothing wrong with a 10 inning game clocking in at 2 hours 30 minutes


Edgywife: "Is this a bad time to interrupt?"

EMD: "Well, it's the ninth inning of a scoreless tie."

Edgywife: "I thought it was, like, the fourth."

Edgy MD
May 07 2013 09:11 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

The Office of Rules that Make Sense has handed down a ruling on my appeal and awarded the victory to Harvey.

How about the slumpiest guy in the game being the only one from either team to make his way around the bases?

Frayed Knot
May 07 2013 09:33 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

And the Rox closing out the Yanx at Coors (2-0 is your final thankyouverymuch) makes this a Mets - Islanders - Knicks - non-Yanx QH night.
Throw in the Braves losing via 2 9th inning HRs off Kimbrel and it goes from QH to ... well, still QH, but now it's QUINTuple Happiness.

Edgy MD
May 07 2013 09:44 PM
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Fuck yeah.

Despite the Braves' quick start, the Nats still feel like the team to beat in the division. Even the Phils seem more worthy of setting my sites on.

Good thing a fan of a fourth-place club has no shortage of choices among teams ahead to root against.

Ceetar
May 07 2013 10:01 PM
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Swan Swan H wrote:
I'd like to thank Mother Nature for raining out Saturday's game and pushing my friend Harvey to a game we were attending. Lots of buzzing in the stairwells after the game.


seconded. AND it was quick enough that I was actually milling around waiting for my train instead of missing it like last time!

Zvon
May 07 2013 10:03 PM
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Ceetar
May 07 2013 10:04 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Zvon wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Harvey Haddix = Hard Luck


Nah, that was kool. Okay, we still got a game to win here.

I thought Rubin hesitated in mid air, and thats impossible. He seemed to slow down there and I think he had more time to set and throw. But thats a bang bang decision for him. He went with the showy-er move.


from the naked eye looked like he did all he could. throw wasn't even bad, it just wasn't a plus-arm throw.

Edgy MD
May 08 2013 06:02 AM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

I think infield instructors (specifically Metly ones) need to have a long and analytical talk about infielders jumping to throw after backhand plays. It's hard to see the general advantages relative to the alternatives.

Philosophical differences aside, Tejade made a hell of an effort against a fleetfooted runner, and played some solid defense all night.

metsmarathon
May 08 2013 07:09 AM
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versus plant-and-throw, the jump throw looks to take an extra step longer, while making the throw itself longer, all while taking the fielder's momentum away from the throw, resulting in an expected lower throw velocity.

about the only good thing the jump throw does is keep the ball in the air longer so that a weaker throw has a more favorable terminal ballistic profile. easier to catch and less likely to skip under a glove if it does come short.

i'd love to see a real kinematics/biomechanics study on it.

Edgy MD
May 08 2013 07:21 AM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Edgy MD wrote:
Don't know why Ventura didn't play Baxter to pull. If Rios cuts that off, I imagine, Davis is on third.


It was somewhat odd even to have pitched to Baxter, with a lefty in the pen ready.

Thinking about this one this AM, and I'm guessing that the pitcher was under instructions to pitch around Baxter. If he walks, no biggie, as his run doesn't matter, and the team won't have burned a pitcher, and if he chases a pitcher or two and makes an out, bonus. The pitcher just left one a little up.

Edgy MD
May 08 2013 07:29 AM
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metsmarathon wrote:
versus plant-and-throw, the jump throw looks to take an extra step longer, while making the throw itself longer, all while taking the fielder's momentum away from the throw, resulting in an expected lower throw velocity.

about the only good thing the jump throw does is keep the ball in the air longer so that a weaker throw has a more favorable terminal ballistic profile. easier to catch and less likely to skip under a glove if it does come short.

i'd love to see a real kinematics/bio-mechanics study on it.

Well, talking speculatively, as kinematics/bio-mechanics is merely my hobby and not my profession, I think an advantage to the jump throw is that if the infielder plants his right/push-off leg, but fails to completely arrest his momentum, he has to turn his left/pointing leg toward the direction of his momentum to keep his body from collapsing. This necessitates yet another right/plant step in order to return to an executable throwing position. Jumping allows you to rotate your hips toward first, while your momentum is continuing to take you away toward the leftfield foul line, without having to negotiate that paradox on the ground until after your release.

Acknowledging that, the disadvantages are obvious --- a lack of leg thrust and too much loft and air-resistance on your throw.

But I know a still more excellent way, and that's the slide plant.

Frayed Knot
May 08 2013 07:52 AM
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I think it's going to vary among infielders as to which is better.
I always thought that while the slide-plant worked great for the 5' 9"-ish gymnastically-athletic Ordonez, the jump-throw tends to favor the taller types with more leverage who most likely can't get up and down as quickly. There's no doubt in my mind that Rey would have thrown out Rios there, probably Reyes as well although he would have done neither the jump nor the slide but would have just planted and made up the time with his quicker release and stronger arm.

Ruben seemed to make up his mind to do the jump-throw ahead of time probably for lack of confidence in any other move but almost had to slow up in order to get the timing right first and lost fractions in doing so.

Edgy MD
May 08 2013 08:12 AM
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Yeah, certainly the strategy is dependent on what the particular players skillz are, but I think Tejada is more Ordσρez than Reyes, build-wise, and it would perhaps (and I'm just speculating), be a good thing for the team instructors to experiment with him on his technique there, before he habituates the Jeter imitation which may perhaps not be his best move. Or at least get his confidence behind whatever is his best move.

(I think that if Reyes makes that play, it's in part because he just gets to the ball faster and a even has a moment to circle forward a few degees into better throwing position. But I'm not certain that he, Tejada, or even Ordσρez were a better-than-50% chance to make the play. It was simply a tough chance. A shortstop is going to play a righty spray hitter like Rios shaded toward the middle every time with a hard thrower like Harvey on the mound.

Ceetar
May 08 2013 08:52 AM
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I think Reyes and Rey both make it. (I think it squirts through for a double on Jeter)

I'm just shooting from the hip here, but the jump through presumably deadens some of your momentum, especially in your upper body where you need to throw. Screeching to a stop slows your lower half more than your throwing half. The rotating of the hips helps to drive your arm strength towards your target (certainly how golfers generate power right?)

The problem with the slide stop is that you have to be fast enough to have overrun the ball a little in order to slide, and you still risk your momentum going away when you pop up.

There's a lot a strong arm can make up for. Reyes wasn't always great with the first step/range stuff, but he made up for it on plays like this. With Tejada being neither quick, nor strong-armed, if he ever wants to be better than average he's going to have to get great jumps, something that's not always easy.

It was a bang-bang play, so I think a stronger throw certainly beats Rios.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 08 2013 08:52 AM
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Also, Rios is, like, fast. Like, fast.

Ceetar
May 08 2013 09:02 AM
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
Also, Rios is, like, fast. Like, fast.


yeah.

I was joking they should've left Harvey in for the 10th just to bean him.

Edgy MD
May 08 2013 09:31 AM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Tejada is definitely better than average. I say that with confidence even after his wubbly defensive start this season.

Ceetar
May 08 2013 09:37 AM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

Edgy MD wrote:
Tejada is definitely better than average. I say that with confidence even after his wubbly defensive start this season.


Maybe as compared to his peers at the position, but in terms of skills..he's got average speed, average range, an average arm.. what do you think he does better than average?

Swan Swan H
May 08 2013 09:51 AM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

He threw 24 balls to 28 batters. Astounding.

Edgy MD
May 08 2013 09:51 AM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

what do you think he does better than average?


Effectively execute the role of big league shortstop.

Ceetar
May 08 2013 03:37 PM
Re: IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

game thread for tonight missing, alert alert!

seawolf17
May 09 2013 08:50 AM
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Baseball pornography: Matt Harvey, makin' 'em miss.

http://www.baseballnation.com/2013/5/8/ ... ornography