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Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 20 2013 01:23 PM

Reds are here. Muffy stays in the leadoff slot, followed by Ankeil, Wright, Doodoo, Byrd, Davis, Buck, Tejada and Marcum. Vs. Cueto. I'll be rockin it Budokan style.

G-Fafif May 20 2013 01:54 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Gettin' the Red out: Murphy 2B Ankiel - CF Wright - 3B Duda - LF Byrd - RF Davis - 1B Buck - C Tejada - SS Marcum - RHP

vtmet May 20 2013 02:49 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

career numbers vs Cueto: Byrd: .545 with a .1.200 OPS;... Ankiel: .438 with a 1.158 OPS; Wright: .294 with a .804 OPS; none of the other Mets have had a lot of at bats vs Cueto (Murphy/Ike/Duda are a combined 5 for 16 with 1 walk); Tejada has never faced him & Buck has never gotten a hit off him; http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/817 ... e=Pitching

Ashie62 May 20 2013 04:22 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Ike is in...This is a real test for the Mets, the Reds are friggin good...

Zvon May 20 2013 04:36 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

I like how when Muffy leads off he hits the ball farther.

Frayed Knot May 20 2013 05:01 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Tornados today in Oklahoma. Local forecasters predict a heavy chance of Jeremy Hefner interviews during tonight's game.

vtmet May 20 2013 05:08 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Frayed Knot wrote: Tornados today in Oklahoma. Local forecasters predict a heavy chance of Jeremy Hefner interviews during tonight's game. I wonder if he's going to finally reveal that he and the other pitchers/hitters are not to blame for the Mets woes after Harvey pitches, but rather it's Harvey's fault...Harvey's brilliance makes the hitters complacent; and make the other pitchers look like they are throwing Batting Practice by comparison...Would the Mets be 0-9 on days that Hefner pitches if he followed Nelson Figueroa or Jason Marquis instead?

Ashie62 May 20 2013 05:21 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Obstruction on Ike...

Zvon May 20 2013 05:22 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Get your head out of your ass Ike!

Swan Swan H May 20 2013 05:22 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Jayzus. Ike can't hit, he can't field, and now he can't remember where to stand. Never mind the minors. Shock therapy may be indicated.

Zvon May 20 2013 05:25 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

I think we would have had Votto at second (would have been damn close) even if Ike didn't stand there like a dolt, and that costs us a run. 2-0

Ashie62 May 20 2013 05:25 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Choo 8 Izturis 6 Votto 3 Phillips 4 Bruce 9 Frazier 5 Paul 7 Hanigan 2 Cueto 1

Ashie62 May 20 2013 05:26 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Swan Swan H wrote: Jayzus. Ike can't hit, he can't field, and now he can't remember where to stand. Never mind the minors. Shock therapy may be indicated. On the road..24 Mets at night with a bar of soap in a towel....Good luck Ike..

Zvon May 20 2013 05:27 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Ron says that if Ike wasn't standing there Votto would not have tried for second. I dunno about that. He was cutting the bag with at least a thought of proceeding.

Swan Swan H May 20 2013 05:27 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Gil Hodges walked out into left field to pull a guy giving the kind of effort that Davis is giving. I would love to see Ike walk back into the dugout and not come back out for the rest of the night.

Ashie62 May 20 2013 05:29 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Swan Swan H wrote: Gil Hodges walked out into left field to pull a guy giving the kind of effort that Davis is giving. I would love to see Ike walk back into the dugout and not come back out for the rest of the night. Gah! That was my first thought when it happened....

Zvon May 20 2013 05:45 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Ashie62 wrote: Swan Swan H wrote: Gil Hodges walked out into left field to pull a guy giving the kind of effort that Davis is giving. I would love to see Ike walk back into the dugout and not come back out for the rest of the night. Gah! That was my first thought when it happened.... And this is not just lack of hustle. His head don't seem to be in it.

Ashie62 May 20 2013 05:47 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Bases loaded for Ike..

Ashie62 May 20 2013 05:50 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Way to go Douchenozzle...

Zvon May 20 2013 05:50 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Damn. Ikes snake bit. Drills a grounder that a diving red glove got in the way of.

Zvon May 20 2013 05:53 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Ashie62 wrote: Douchenozzle... ________

Swan Swan H May 20 2013 06:00 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

They're gonna score some runs on Cueto. Hold the Reds close and the Mets will get it done tonight.

Ashie62 May 20 2013 06:11 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Marcum looks pretty decent tonight...so maybe we can get to their bullpen and pull this one out..

Frayed Knot May 20 2013 06:13 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Mets have had too many of these innings where they make the opposing pitcher throw a ton of pitches and get guys all over the basepaths -- which is all well and good -- but then don't actually score any of said guys. Hopefully it'll pay off eventually but it would be nice if it were to occasionally pay off at the time.

Zvon May 20 2013 06:18 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

We gotta capitalize on this inning

Frayed Knot May 20 2013 06:19 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

I hope no one at the park tonight has a dinner reservation for afterward because, at the pace this game is going, they're not going anywhere for a while.

Swan Swan H May 20 2013 06:23 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Marlon Byrd is neither fish nor fowl. But he just hit a 3-run KABOOM!

Zvon May 20 2013 06:23 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Thats HUGE. Byrd ties it!

Zvon May 20 2013 06:36 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Nice lil chat with Harvey. I hope some of that kahnfidence rubs off.

Swan Swan H May 20 2013 07:02 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Marcum hanging tough in a 1st & 2nd, none out situation. Izturis and Votto down, Phillips to go with runners having moved up a base.

Zvon May 20 2013 07:03 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

I'll give Murphy this much : he knows what he's gonna do with the ball if its hit to him. No hesitation on that bad throw to second, and it was the play to make. I didn't think he had time but replay shows Cueto wasn't going to slide and would have been out with a good throw. Even seeing that play I feel Murphy is progressing nicely at 2nd. There's no doubt he's working very hard at it.

Swan Swan H May 20 2013 07:11 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Zvon wrote: I'll give Murphy this much : he knows what he's gonna do with the ball if its hit to him. No hesitation on that bad throw to second, and it was the play to make. I didn't think he had time but replay shows Cueto wasn't going to slide and would have been out with a good throw. Even seeing that play I feel Murphy is progressing nicely at 2nd. There's no doubt he's working very hard at it. He is definitely getting better, but he will probably always have to work harder than most to keep it up. He also lacks the natural timing good infielders have. Two plays showed that clearly tonight - the rushed play you are talking about, and the slow hopper where he nearly lost the runner earlier. He deserves a ton of credit for the progress he has made, and I can't imagine that he won't work as hard as he has to. Then again, when you see Brandon Phillips everybody else looks like the Tin Man before the oil can showed up.

Zvon May 20 2013 07:12 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Sob. Phillips don't suck. Very nice catch.

Swan Swan H May 20 2013 07:15 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Well, better a leadoff shot than a three-run homer.

Zvon May 20 2013 07:15 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

I'll give Murphy this much : he knows what he's gonna do with the ball if its hit to him. No hesitation on that bad throw to second, and it was the play to make. I didn't think he had time but replay shows Cueto wasn't going to slide and would have been out with a good throw. Even seeing that play I feel Murphy is progressing nicely at 2nd. There's no doubt he's working very hard at it. He is definitely getting better, but he will probably always have to work harder than most to keep it up. He also lacks the natural timing good infielders have. Two plays showed that clearly tonight - the rushed play you are talking about, and the slow hopper where he nearly lost the runner earlier. He deserves a ton of credit for the progress he has made, and I can't imagine that he won't work as hard as he has to. Then again, when you see Brandon Phillips everybody else looks like the Tin Man before the oil can showed up. Yea, that play where he should have charged a lil, like the booth said. That was too close for comfort. Bruce juice makes it 4-3 them.

Zvon May 20 2013 07:25 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Gimme ten minutes with Ike and I'd fix him.

Swan Swan H May 20 2013 07:26 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Another K for Ike, hacking at a pitch nowhere near the plate.

Fman99 May 20 2013 07:30 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Ike double switched out with the leprechaun coming in at first. Ike seeming not happy about it.

Swan Swan H May 20 2013 07:32 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Zvon wrote: Gimme ten minutes with Ike and I'd fix him. Give these guys ten minutes with Ike. They'll fix him, but good.

Frayed Knot May 20 2013 07:38 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

I'd like to thank Dusty Baker for sticking his .250 OBA backup SS in amongst all his monster hitters. This game could be a lot worse otherwise.

Zvon May 20 2013 07:42 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Damn. That hit Phillips bat.

Zvon May 20 2013 07:45 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Whew. Hawkins gets out of it. Very nice.

Swan Swan H May 20 2013 07:46 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Hawkins escapes another jam. Somehow it's only 4-3 Commie Pinkos.

Zvon May 20 2013 07:49 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Swan Swan H wrote: 4-3 Commie Pinkos. Nice play. Hawkins and Collins have both been tossed.

Fman99 May 20 2013 07:50 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

I'm ready to see a lot more of Turner and a lot less of Ike.

Zvon May 20 2013 07:50 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Turner takes one of Ikes at bats and uses it well.

Frayed Knot May 20 2013 07:51 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Not sure I saw all that much in the previous inning for LaTroy to get all that steamed over (except for the fantom foul by Fillips that is but Hawkins seemed pissed even before then) but he did and now he and Terry are going to watch the rest of the game on TV.

Zvon May 20 2013 07:54 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Was Gary there in '73? At the playoffs? Justin time for a steal.

Zvon May 20 2013 07:56 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Zvon May 20 2013 07:58 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Gah! Don't be helping him Muffy! Its on Ankiel.

Swan Swan H May 20 2013 07:59 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Zvon wrote: Was Gary there in '73? At the playoffs? Justin time for a steal. I thought you took the train there together.

Swan Swan H May 20 2013 08:02 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Good swing by Ankiel, but an at-em ball ends the minor threat.

Zvon May 20 2013 08:03 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Swan Swan H wrote: Zvon wrote: Was Gary there in '73? At the playoffs? Justin time for a steal. I thought you took the train there together. That would have been too kool. I'm sure he must have a story to go with it. Maybe not one he'd tell publicly, but I'd love to chat w/him about the series. What he said leads me to believe he ran onto the field at the end. I'd like to hear some details about that.

Zvon May 20 2013 08:09 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Damn, what the hell is Broxton eating these days? Other players?

Zvon May 20 2013 08:17 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Whenever Dudas hair sticks out of the lil holes on top of his helmet he does good. UGH, these umps. I guess he did swing (Byrd)

Frayed Knot May 20 2013 08:25 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Going to have to make the comeback against Aroldis.

Edgy MD May 20 2013 08:27 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

I'm glad Burke isn't striding toward the first base line as much, but he's still doing it a little. Can't see the upside to that.

Zvon May 20 2013 08:29 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

NICE PLAY MUFFY! He had to get rid of that ball wicked fast.

Fman99 May 20 2013 08:29 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Muffie with the nice glove work to get the force. Chapman has blown his last two save chances, FYI.

Zvon May 20 2013 08:30 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Edgy MD wrote: I'm glad Burke isn't striding toward the first base line as much, but he's still doing it a little. Can't see the upside to that. He said (booth said) that standing on the 1st base side of the rubber helps his fastball. Dunno about his stride tho.

Edgy MD May 20 2013 08:31 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Oh, and Jordany, you ended last inning swinging at ball four.

Zvon May 20 2013 08:31 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Okay, all we gotta do is hit this guy while he's down.

Zvon May 20 2013 08:32 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Buck: K : gah.

Swan Swan H May 20 2013 08:34 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Turner singles, Murphy and Ankiel double. That's all.

Edgy MD May 20 2013 08:36 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

That guy is a tough assignment. If somebody managed to get on base, can't imagine how scary he would've been for Murphy from the left side.

Zvon May 20 2013 08:37 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Tejeda : fly out : GAh. Turner : K : GAH! Mets lose.

Gwreck May 20 2013 08:54 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 20 2013 08:55 PM

First time at the park in a while for me. Found myself realizing that I didn't know this team well enough when considering whether it would have been better to hit for Ankiel when he was up versus Marshall in the 7th, and have the righty (Lagares?) face the Reds' RHP, LeCure (who was warming in the 'pen at that point). Interference call seemed bogus, but it was clear (even from the seats) that the plate ump was terrible. This was still a fun game to attend - for a loss - but still, this is going to be a really long season.

vtmet May 20 2013 08:55 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

vtmet wrote: career numbers vs Cueto: Byrd: .545 with a .1.200 OPS;... Ankiel: .438 with a 1.158 OPS; Wright: .294 with a .804 OPS; none of the other Mets have had a lot of at bats vs Cueto (Murphy/Ike/Duda are a combined 5 for 16 with 1 walk); Tejada has never faced him & Buck has never gotten a hit off him; http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/817 ... e=Pitching fyi...apparently Byrd is to Cuerto as Joe McEwing was to Randy Johnson... http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/p ... s-4-mets-3 GOOD CALL: Terry Collins placed Marlon Byrd in the lineup to take advantage of his stellar career numbers against Johnny Cueto entering the game (6-for-11). Byrd made the manager look like a smart man when he crushed a three-run homer in the third inning to tie the game 3-3. Byrd also walked in his first at-bat against Cueto and is now 7-for-13 in his career against him.

Frayed Knot May 20 2013 09:35 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Gwreck wrote: Interference call seemed bogus No, it was the right call. 1B ump indicated it immediately and then properly awarded Votto the base when the play ended. but it was clear (even from the seats) that the plate ump was terrible. Not a good night for Hallion This was still a fun game to attend - for a loss - but still, this is going to be a really long season. Long season? Hell, those first two innings were long enough.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 20 2013 10:45 PM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Just blew through the game on DVR, belatedly. NOT a great night for Tom Hallion, who called the game like he ran out of saline solution for the contacts, and comported himself like he ran out of Preparation H. Did anyone on the broadcast mention Hallion's recent history of bridge-building?

Edgy MD May 21 2013 05:36 AM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

That's it. Future series need a Know Thy Arbitrators thread.

Edgy MD May 21 2013 06:01 AM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

It may a long season, but I won't hold up last night as a reason why. They stayed within one run of a top team bringing their top starter. Losses suck, and I wish they grabbed the win, but there's no shame there.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 21 2013 07:37 AM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Would be nice if Marcum weren't so easy for the other team to beat.

vtmet May 21 2013 08:41 AM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

It may a long season, but I won't hold up last night as a reason why. They stayed within one run of a top team bringing their top starter. Losses suck, and I wish they grabbed the win, but there's no shame there. One of the major reasons why it may be a long season: they can't hit in Citi Field...and they can't pitch outside of Citi Field... Offense at home: .213 batting average (MLB worst); Pitching at home: .245 batting average against (MLB middle of the pack); Offense on the road: .244 batting average (14th worst in the MLB); Pitching on the road: .283 batting average against (only MLB that is worse is the Astros at .285 in the AL); Highest batting average of a starting Met at Citi Field: David Wright: .254 average; John Buck: .208 average; Tejada: .203 average; (the rest are either below .200 or they aren't starters); Other than Parnell, Harvey, Rice and Burke; all of the rest of the Mets pitchers have allowed either a road BAA of at least .250 or at least a 1.40 WHIP... the other starters on the road: Hefner: .275 BAA; 1.41 WHIP; 6.55 ERA; Niese: .297 BAA; 1.79 WHIP; 6.45 ERA; Marcum: .313 BAA; 1.58 WHIP; 4.97 ERA; Gee: .406 BAA; 2.35 WHIP; 9.97 ERA;

MFS62 May 21 2013 09:03 AM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

Edgy MD wrote: That's it. Future series need a Know Thy Arbitrators thread. It could be named after Angel Hernandez. I remember when you couldn't remember the umpires' names because they were doing a good job. These days, it seems we're reading their names more and more. Later

Frayed Knot May 21 2013 09:07 AM Re: Marcum if you Got 'Em: Reds @ Mets 5/20/13

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Would be nice if Marcum weren't so easy for the other team to beat. Be nice too had the offense after the Byrd HR consisted of more than two singles.