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Can Anybody Here Play this Game Besides Harvey?

batmagadanleadoff
May 14 2013 09:08 AM

Sandy Alderson says there's nowhere to go but up, eventually

By Howard Megdal
8:44 am May. 14, 2013



A day after New York Mets manager Terry Collins unveiled his take-it-or-leave-it lineup and approach, it was general manager Sandy Alderson's turn to take his best shot at repairing the roster and image of the decaying Mets, losers of 16 of their last 23 games entering Monday night's contest against the St. Louis Cardinals.

Alderson addressed the gaping holes in the roster by adding Rick Ankiel, an outfielder who was released last week by the Houston Astros, the worst team in baseball. The Astros hardly acted rashly; Ankiel struck out in more than half his plate appearances, 35 times in 65 trips up. His defense has been below average by most metrics. And he's 33. There's no long-term upside here.

For the Mets, however, he's apparently good enough to be one half of a center field platoon. So eager were the Mets to put their new acquisition into use that they started him Monday and batted him seventh.

While fans took in the new acquisition, Alderson went on Mike Francesa's radio program just before 6 p.m. to address the season to date. He resumed his oddly detached set of gripes about the state of the organization, one amply supported by the lack of realistic major league options to occupy most roster spots, but strange coming from the person who would be in a position to fix such things, if ownership could afford to.

"Obviously, there are reasons why he was available," Alderson said by way of selling his new addition, Ankiel. "He was released by the Astros, so they could let some younger players get a chance to play."

He paused, as if thinking about the fact that the Mets are in a position where they ought to do the same thing. "In our case, we are waiting for some of our center fielders to develop."

Alderson is right; the Mets really don't have major-league ready talent at the position. But this is not news to the man who coined the now-iconic November rejoinder "What outfield?" Alderson had made that harsh assessment at a time when many players more talented than those on the Mets were available via free agency. Alderson didn't add any of them, seemed angry about it, then made the implausible claim that he'd been given license to spend by ownership, but simply declined to do so.

And that leaves Alderson in the position of maintaining that there's no financial problem, no cause for alarm, and nowhere to go but up.

"I'm not asking anybody to be patient with the team," he said, immediately before also saying: "I think the reality is, we're going to need to be more patient with guys like Ike."

Or on the state of the team in general: "I'm not sure that things can devolve any further."

Buoyed by that inspiring message, the Mets took the field, and for six innings, stayed even with the Cardinals. Then, in the seventh, a catchable ball hit to center field by Ty Wigginton was dropped by Ankiel, who got a bad break, and recovered, only to see the ball bounce out of his glove. Well, not his glove. Jon Niese's glove. Ankiel's glove was still en route.

"I do think if I have my glove it stays in there," Ankiel told reporters after the game. "I'm the type of person, if I get a glove on it I feel I should have caught it. I didn't. It stinks."

The next batter, Matt Carpenter, hit a ball that riccocheted off pitcher Scott Rice's leg and into foul territory along the first base line. Wigginton never stopped running, Rice neglected to cover home as catcher John Buck retrieved the ball, and the Cardinals took the lead as Wigginton slid safely home.

The Mets summoned Scott Atchison, a pitcher who'd been effective early, but because of a lack of viable alternatives on the roster, had been used by Terry Collins in over half his games despite the twin red flags of being 37 years old and pitching with a torn ligament in his elbow that ended his 2012 season. Atchison gave up a two-run homer to Matt Holliday that put the game away. After the game, Atchison revealed that he couldn't feel the ball with his fingers, a sure sign his elbow ligament tear is acting up again.

The Mets dropped to 14-21. They have the fifth-worst record in baseball right now, and they might be overachieving. Really, only the Marlins and Astros have comparably thin rosters, in one case because of an owner engaged in a selloff, the other because of a virtually unprecedented attempt to strip a team of major league assets for a long-term rebuild.

And the Mets?

As Alderson told Francesa: "It's tough for me to say that the Mets fans have to be more patient. I know that's asking a tremendous amount. ... At this particular jucture, there's not a lot that's available to us. The players we have have to play better."

Or put another way, also by Alderson, the general manager who can't very well fix things without the basic funds to do so: "We've got to grin and bear it at this point. ... Look, I've got to suffer through these games, too."

Tickets are very much available at Mets.com.


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Ceetar
May 14 2013 09:15 AM
Re: Can Anybody Here Play this Game Besides Harvey?

Do you post everything he writes here?

batmagadanleadoff
May 14 2013 09:18 AM
Re: Can Anybody Here Play this Game Besides Harvey?

No.

Edgy MD
May 14 2013 09:31 AM
Re: Can Anybody Here Play this Game Besides Harvey?

It would really help discussion if you posted your thoughts rather than re-posting his without comment.

batmagadanleadoff
May 14 2013 09:43 AM
Re: Can Anybody Here Play this Game Besides Harvey?

When I write that the Mets should play Ankiel at SS, or that Ankiel should pitch a few starts, I thought I gave you my thoughts. It's a fucking embarrassment, this Ankiel acquisition -- somewhat confirmed by the three or four Ankiel related threads here and accompanying 40 or 50 nutty posts micro-analyzing how Ankiel might -seriously- affect things in a positive way. Ankiel's a washed up scrub who might, just might, be the sixth string outfielder on a playoff contender. Except that teams today need to carry so many more pitchers relative to 10 or 15 years ago that the sixth outfielder hardly exists anymore. Ankiel is a major leaguer only because MLB has expanded by 20% since the Mets last WS crown and because there are teams as pathetic as the 2013 Mets. Megdal notes, concisely, that even the lowly Astros cut Ankiel, thus capturing the essence of this whole post in just four or five words.

Edgy MD
May 14 2013 09:45 AM
Re: Can Anybody Here Play this Game Besides Harvey?

Yes, you did. But that's in another thread and all. Thanks for elaborating.

Benjamin Grimm
May 14 2013 09:46 AM
Re: Can Anybody Here Play this Game Besides Harvey?

Maybe I missed something, but I'd be surprised if there were three posts in this forum saying that Ankiel would help the team.

batmagadanleadoff
May 14 2013 09:47 AM
Re: Can Anybody Here Play this Game Besides Harvey?

Benjamin Grimm wrote:
Maybe I missed something, but I'd be surprised if there were three posts in this forum saying that Ankiel would help the team.


Yes, but my last post just begs for hyperbole.

bmfc1
May 14 2013 10:02 AM
Re: Can Anybody Here Play this Game Besides Harvey?

Benjamin Grimm wrote:
Maybe I missed something, but I'd be surprised if there were three posts in this forum saying that Ankiel would help the team.
I did. I wanted him on the Mets for a while. But not now. After failing to getting Bourn or anyone else of note in the spring, I would have gone for Ankiel to start the season but I don't see the point of getting him now.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 14 2013 10:10 AM
Re: Can Anybody Here Play this Game Besides Harvey?

The thing about the Ankeil deal, the timing of it, really, is that if he doesn't lend some immediate stability to the situation then he's just become part of the problem still. Or more of the problem.

I mean, he's so godamned whiffy. That can't be a great thing for the offense. And it sure seems like they haven't got big plans for Valdy with this move.

I guess the question is, when Niuewenhuis/den Dekker are healthy and/or hitting, do you release Ankeil?

Edgy MD
May 14 2013 10:19 AM
Re: Can Anybody Here Play this Game Besides Harvey?

My question was, have they showcased Valdy enough to trade him, because they've seemingly entered that magic zone where they know how tolerable/intolerable his bullshit is, but maybe the market doesn't. So if they like him, they might want to play him, and if they don't, they might wanna move him sooner, rather than later.

But Megdal can suck on a big plate of Matt Fox.

metirish
May 14 2013 11:19 AM
Re: Can Anybody Here Play this Game Besides Harvey?

Shit, the whole of MLB knows about Valdaspin, saw him being discussed on MLB Network the other night.....there is no hiding it...he hasn't even been around long enough to say maybe he needs a new team .

Edgy MD
May 14 2013 12:02 PM
Re: Can Anybody Here Play this Game Besides Harvey?

Yes, but they don't know as much as the Mets know, and don't know enough to know whether he can be better nurtured on their watch than he can be on the Mets' watch.

There's always someone who thinks they can be they have the magical formula to smooth out the personality issues for a talented jerk. Carl Everett, Darryl Strawberry, Jose Guillen.

Steve Earle, Larry King, Kenny Rogers.