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Matt Harvey--SI Cover Boy

bmfc1 May 14 2013 10:08 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 14 2013 10:12 AM

Verducci's story: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mlb/ne ... &eref=sihp Too bad for those that get the alternate cover: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/magazi ... &eref=sihp

batmagadanleadoff May 14 2013 10:09 AM Re: Matt Harvey--SI Cover Boy

Wow!

batmagadanleadoff May 14 2013 10:15 AM Re: Matt Harvey--SI Cover Boy

bmfc1 wrote: Verducci's story: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mlb/ne ... &eref=sihp Verducci sez "Harvey's Better!" (than Strasburg)

batmagadanleadoff May 14 2013 10:22 AM Re: Matt Harvey--SI Cover Boy

This article might the first one I've read that notes, correctly, that for the Mets vaunted reputation as a great organization at developing pitchers, the Mets might be the worst in that category over the last 30 years. I've always wondered what the 35 and under group of Mets fans must think when they hear about the Mets so called superiority at developing pitchers. Must be kinda like what I felt as a little kid when I read articles about Connie Mack.

Edgy MD May 14 2013 10:29 AM Re: Matt Harvey--SI Cover Boy

It's interesting that he compares them to Baltimore and Kansas City --- two others that had been highly reputed in that regard up until the mid-to late eighties.

batmagadanleadoff May 14 2013 10:34 AM Re: Matt Harvey--SI Cover Boy

Two notable pitchers that the Mets drafted post-Gooden but didn't necessarily develop: Scott Kazmir and A.J. Burnett.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 14 2013 10:36 AM Re: Matt Harvey--SI Cover Boy

For a long period, it was as though the Mets had made a conscious decision to not bother developing pitchers at all, figuring it was probably too much work for longshots and injury cases. Better to let other teams take those development chances (even with our guys like Burnett and Kazmir) and get the pitchers when they become easier to predict free agents or trade targets (Trachsel, Leiter, etc). Today the Mets will say developing their own staff is the only way to go but back then they were getting $$ for nothing and, I guess, thought they could afford it.

Edgy MD May 14 2013 10:37 AM Re: Matt Harvey--SI Cover Boy

Two notable pitchers that the Mets drafted post-Gooden but didn't necessarily develop: Scott Kazmir and A.J. Burnett. F. that. Roger Clemens, if you want to include drafted-but-didn't-sign. But that way, the darkness lies, in more ways than one.

metirish May 14 2013 11:05 AM Re: Matt Harvey--SI Cover Boy

I had to let this sink in Matt Harvey has won seven games in his young Mets career. This should tell you how bad New York has been at drafting and developing pitchers: Harvey already ranks 12th in wins for the Mets among the 766 pitchers they drafted in the past 30 years. damn

Lefty Specialist May 14 2013 12:26 PM Re: Matt Harvey--SI Cover Boy

Kiss of Death.

Ceetar May 14 2013 12:50 PM Re: Matt Harvey--SI Cover Boy

metirish wrote: I had to let this sink in Matt Harvey has won seven games in his young Mets career. This should tell you how bad New York has been at drafting and developing pitchers: Harvey already ranks 12th in wins for the Mets among the 766 pitchers they drafted in the past 30 years. damn damning, but could I get some context? I mean, 766 includes a lot of scrub long-shot 20th rounders no? Where to other teams stand? pick a sophmore from the Braves or the Cardinals over the last 30 years. Are they 12th in team wins? I'd be surprised if they're lower than 40-50. developing pitching prospects is hard.

Zvon May 14 2013 02:27 PM Re: Matt Harvey--SI Cover Boy

Saw this on FB and I was like : WOW. Just wow.

G-Fafif May 14 2013 03:04 PM Re: Matt Harvey--SI Cover Boy

Matt Harvey cover > Swimsuit edition. But no Matt Harvey in a swimsuit, please.

themetfairy May 14 2013 03:10 PM Re: Matt Harvey--SI Cover Boy

You're no fun!

cooby May 14 2013 07:51 PM Re: Matt Harvey--SI Cover Boy

DOOM

metsguyinmichigan May 14 2013 08:33 PM Re: Matt Harvey--SI Cover Boy

Oh man, if we get stuck with the alternate cover here in Michigan, I'm gonna be pissed!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 14 2013 10:33 PM Re: Matt Harvey--SI Cover Boy

Um... "Dark Knight?" And is it me, or is Verducci's article less of a Harvey profile than it is a sideways ad for his Verducci Theorizin'?

Frayed Knot May 15 2013 06:47 AM Re: Matt Harvey--SI Cover Boy

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Oh man, if we get stuck with the alternate cover here in Michigan, I'm gonna be pissed! I'm betting that you are. In fact I suspect that the Harvey cover is the real "alternate" that's being sold mainly in the NY area while most of the rest of the country gets the hoops cover so as to not piss them off with what seem to them as another story about an NYC-hyped athlete and because it fits in well with the theory that no one wants to read about baseball unless it's local. Everyone else, though, just can't get enough Memphis Grizzlies news. What's really kind of surprising is that SI feels the need to go with regional covers when you'd think that most of their (dwindling) buys these days are through subscriptions, but I guess every little bit counts.

batmagadanleadoff May 15 2013 09:38 AM Re: Matt Harvey--SI Cover Boy

Verducci's story: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mlb/ne ... &eref=sihp Too bad for those that get the alternate cover: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/magazi ... &eref=sihp It's been quite some time since an active Met graced the cover of SI sans those gross drop shadows unis. Last active Met to appear on the SI cover in non warmup, non drop shadow, no black standard game day uniform:

Edgy MD May 15 2013 09:45 AM Re: Matt Harvey--SI Cover Boy

I would say the solid blue tops and side piping do more than their share of detracting. And, of course, the business side of Cangelosi includes the much derided underscore/swoosh.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 15 2013 09:50 AM Re: Matt Harvey--SI Cover Boy

That Strawberry stance is a thing of beauty. Can we get a different lithe, 6-foot-6, slugger with an exceptional batting eye, arm and speed and try again?

Edgy MD May 15 2013 10:15 AM Re: Matt Harvey--SI Cover Boy

I don't think that's a model scouts go for as much any more. More copact body/swing (like Wright) is a more valued model these days. Too much strike zone, too many moving parts, too much mechanically to maintain, they would say. On the other hand, Wright strikes out pretty much as often as Darryl ever did, so... I'm trying, just for gigglies, to think what the Mets got in terms of tall and lithe that they can try and pour all their developmental alchemy into. Cory Vaughn is a few inches shorter, a few pounds bulkier. I think Brandon Nimmo is our main hope here.

batmagadanleadoff May 15 2013 10:22 AM Re: Matt Harvey--SI Cover Boy

Edgy MD wrote: I would say the solid blue tops and side piping do more than their share of detracting. And, of course, the business side of Cangelosi includes the much derided underscore/swoosh. Yeah, those weren't the classic Mets unis either. There's not a season that goes by without Keith Hernandez noting how he would've loved to wear the Mets style unis in use when he first came up with the Cards. But the underscore unis and the racing stripes unis are models of elegance - baseball sartorial excellence - next to the black drop shadows, which reached new lows in hideousity.

Edgy MD May 15 2013 10:24 AM Re: Matt Harvey--SI Cover Boy

Here we go.. GREG PRON! He's a Darryllian 6'6" and 195 (which was about where Straw was when he came up. Greg put up a nice show in Kingsport in 2011 as a rookie (.318 / .389 /.493 // .882) with seven homers and 34 RBI in only 58 games. He followed that up with an utterly punchless 2012 for Savannah. Repeating Savannah this year, he's bit the big one so far. Get Jim Frey down there to tutor Greg while he's still available to us. He bats righthanded, but maybe that's what he's doing wrong!\. Somebody adopt this guy while there's still time!