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Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

G-Fafif May 14 2013 04:40 PM

Collins responded to pregame question about Jordany Valdespreening with classic "fans can eff themselves" type answer.

G-Fafif May 14 2013 04:45 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

I don't answer to fans. They don't play this game. They have no idea what goes on in there. They have absolutely no idea what it takes to be a professional teammate. As reported by Record's Mike Kerwick. Not that inflammatory but definitely something smoldering there, considering the question wasn't about fans.

Edgy MD May 14 2013 05:07 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

What it takes to be a professional teammate: [list:2w5oay3p][*:2w5oay3p]access to body armor[/*:m:2w5oay3p] [*:2w5oay3p]a spare tee-shirt[/*:m:2w5oay3p] [*:2w5oay3p]a liberal tolerance for vicious cream pies[/*:m:2w5oay3p][/list:u:2w5oay3p].

G-Fafif May 14 2013 05:14 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

We have at least a little idea of what goes on "in there," maybe.

G-Fafif May 14 2013 05:14 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

Not that thrilled with what goes on "out there," either.

duan May 14 2013 05:19 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

I should probably post this in the Terry Hot Seat thing, but I'm getting the feeling he's not far from being pushed overboard, he's reached the stage where he's getting overly defensive about EVERYTHING talking in exasperated tones and generally appearing like a bit of a dick. I'm thinking he's got till the subway series and if we're still hitting and pitching badly they'll whack him.

metirish May 14 2013 05:22 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

Just saw the interview, man Collins was pissed..... I think watching him he would take back the 'fans' comment.

batmagadanleadoff May 14 2013 05:28 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

Rey Ordonez punched his ticket out of town when he called Mets fans "stupid". And as much as I loathed Ordonez, the circumstances surrounding his eventual trade annoyed me even more and confirmed, once again, what a moronic franchise the Wilpon Mets were. I mean, that's what finally compelled the Mets to dump that fraud on some other sucker? Not the seven years and 3,000+ PA's worth of utter incompetence and Double A hitting? Jeez.

Ashie62 May 14 2013 05:36 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

Terry Collins is a dead manager walking

Ashie62 May 14 2013 05:37 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

G-Fafif wrote: I don't answer to fans. They don't play this game. They have no idea what goes on in there. They have absolutely no idea what it takes to be a professional teammate. As reported by Record's Mike Kerwick. Not that inflammatory but definitely something smoldering there, considering the question wasn't about fans. Terry, the fans help pay your salary douchenozzle..

Edgy MD May 14 2013 05:38 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

We're all dead men walking, Ashie. In the meantime, there's still a game tonight.

G-Fafif May 14 2013 05:51 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

Rubin with deeper comments here. Terry Collins became agitated with continued questions about Jordany Valdespin getting plunked Saturday. That was especially evident when the manager was asked pregame Tuesday about whether the Mets hung Valdespin “out to dry” by pinch-hitting him when there was a reasonable suspicion ’Spin would be hit with a pitch. “I don’t answer to fans. They don’t play this game,” Collins said. “They have no idea what goes on. They have no idea what goes on in there. They have absolutely no idea what it means to be a professional teammate at this level. … I’ll tell you one thing: Jordany knew they were going to throw at him. He knew it. And you’ve got to go take your medicine. That’s part of being a big guy in this league.” Asked a follow-up question about the perception of the incident as the Mets not defending Valdespin, Collins cut off the question. “I don’t care what the perception is,” the manager said. “All I know is what goes on here. I’ve been doing this for 42 years. I don’t care what anybody on the outside thinks. I know how to get it done in the clubhouse. I’ve been doing it a lot longer than a lot of people. He’s fine. He handled it great, I thought, the way he went about it. He went to first base. He didn’t throw his bat any place. … He did it the right way. And now it’s over. Now we move on.” As Marc Carig of Newsday noted savvily, other teams with "problem child" players just send them down but Mets don't have the depth to be without their part-time OF/PH.

Fman99 May 14 2013 07:30 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

Fuck us? Fuck you, Terry. At least you get paid to watch this fucking pile of Mets.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 14 2013 07:44 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

I don;t know this for sure but when he said "fans" I'm pretty sure he meant Mike Francessa the so-called advocate of the fan who helped to make that incident the kind of thing Terry gets asked about more than he'd like. In the meantime his guys are really playing like shit that that's got to be bothering him too. Just me but Terry is managing the everloving fuck out of this team, it's not his fault his best players include Jeremy Hefner.

Swan Swan H May 14 2013 07:48 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I don;t know this for sure but when he said "fans" I'm pretty sure he meant Mike Francessa the so-called advocate of the fan who helped to make that incident the kind of thing Terry gets asked about more than he'd like. In the meantime his guys are really playing like shit that that's got to be bothering him too. Just me but Terry is managing the everloving fuck out of this team, it's not his fault his best players include Jeremy Hefner. G&K addressing this NOW! and trying to contextualize Terry's comments.

Zvon May 14 2013 07:49 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Just me but Terry is managing the everloving fuck out of this team, it's not his fault his best players include Jeremy Hefner. Not just you. I like that the booth is addressing this.

Edgy MD May 14 2013 08:32 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

Terry's got the George Bamberger thing happening. I think he cares more than we can see. And he's barely. Got. A lid. On himself. It should be a ticket promotion. Get out to the park! You'd hate to not be there the night Terry exploded!

vtmet May 14 2013 10:02 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

Zvon wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Just me but Terry is managing the everloving fuck out of this team, it's not his fault his best players include Jeremy Hefner. Not just you. I like that the booth is addressing this. he's managing like he's bipolar...publicly making a decision one day, and then doing a total 180 the next day... His decision making skills remind me of when the David Tennant Doctor Who regenerated into the Matt Smith Doctor WHo...with the Matt Smith version, making statements that he was hungry and loved a certain food; only to spit that food out as soon he put it in his mouth...and did the same thing repeatedly until he wound up liking "Custard and Fish Fingers" (which makes as much sense as Ruben Tejada batting leadoff)... [youtube]Oo2RKAHu-kI[/youtube]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 14 2013 10:08 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

I would probably pay decent money for a "Hurl Shitty Questions At The Manager! Make Him Break!" booth in the center field pavilion.

vtmet May 14 2013 10:16 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I would probably pay decent money for a "Hurl Shitty Questions At The Manager! Make Him Break!" booth in the center field pavilion. Has Francessa ever really given Terry a hard time in an interview? I could imagine that idiot could make him snap...

Frayed Knot May 15 2013 06:53 AM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

vtmet wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I would probably pay decent money for a "Hurl Shitty Questions At The Manager! Make Him Break!" booth in the center field pavilion. Has Francessa ever really given Terry a hard time in an interview? I could imagine that idiot could make him snap... Not so much a hard time, but what you have to remember about Francesa interviews is that they don't involve questions so much as they consist of the interviewER telling the interviewEE how much he knows about the subject matter so as to hopefully set up an answer of; "you're so right Mike". And you can see how THAT can leave the impression where the fans (or, by extension, The FAN) think they can run a ballclub as well as the insiders.

Ceetar May 15 2013 07:23 AM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

the only real interaction Terry has with the 'fans' is what the media tells him we're supposedly thinking. But there a vast majority of us that wish people would stfu about Jordany Valdespin. The media has decided that Terry is a lame duck. I could've written you this script in February. Jordany was such an obvious choice for focal point of a losing the clubhouse argument too. It's only a matter of time until we get in depth articles (I'm sure Rubin has already done this) about how Backman is succeeding with the 51s. Carig is wrong. Plenty of people keep 'problem children' around in the majors and it means nothing. What Collins means is that a handful of reports in the paper about Valdespin does not mean he's a clubhouse problem that they can't handle. If he wasn't manageable, they WOULD demote him. The Mets have plenty of outfielders in the system that can't get on base to replace him with. Valdespin is just a pawn in a bigger discussion. And we discussed it here in the offseason too. The Mets are being secretive, with good cause, about where they're going in the future and when, particularly with regards to Collins. We're getting close to the point where someone is going to leak "Collins has never been the long term answer. The Mets already know that they're going in a different direction in 2014, the year the front office has long targeted as the time to start investing in the team. (possibly insert Backman here). The only question is if Terry Collins plays out the season or if they promote/bring in the new guy to get a taste of the team before next year. (insert Backman promoted with Wheeler allusions here)"

Frayed Knot May 15 2013 07:31 AM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

Ceetar wrote: the only real interaction Terry has with the 'fans' is what the media tells him we're supposedly thinking. This is what JCL was getting at above. Terry's biggest crime in this whole deal was not phrasing himself very well. Fighting the fans is ALWAYS a losing proposition (calling Lee Elia) and just the fact that he made it appear that that's what he's doing puts him in a bad light even if by "fans" he meant: all you folks out there who think you know everything that goes on here.

Ceetar May 15 2013 07:38 AM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

Frayed Knot wrote: the only real interaction Terry has with the 'fans' is what the media tells him we're supposedly thinking. This is what JCL was getting at above. Terry's biggest crime in this whole deal was not phrasing himself very well. Fighting the fans is ALWAYS a losing proposition (calling Lee Elia) and just the fact that he made it appear that that's what he's doing puts him in a bad light even if by "fans" he meant: all you folks out there who think you know everything that goes on here. yeah. pretty much. Even though it was really just a "We're taking care of it" type response, he probably should've phrased it more like that. Although I guess he has in the past. Probably tires of repeating himself. Someone tweeted that John Ricco was on WFAN or something. That guy really is the canary of organizational changes isn't he? Makes me nervous.

batmagadanleadoff May 15 2013 10:02 AM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

The Latest Mets Scandal Is So Stupid Even By Mets Scandal Standards Jordany "Took a Spring Training Fastball Right To The Dick" Valdespin doesn't do a whole lot on the Mets. He doesn't walk, he can't play much defense, and he's hitting .235. He pinch-hits, with a start in center or at second every so often. He'll steal a base or hit a home run on a special day. But because these are the Mets, he is now the team's center of attention. It all started on Friday night, after Shaun Marcum—as is his wont—had pitched the Mets into a deep hole against the Pirates. When Valdespin, who had entered the game as a defensive replacement, came up for his first at-bat in the ninth, the Mets trailed Pittsburgh 7-1. Then Valdespin did this, against Jose Contreras: link to page where you can see Valdy cadillac it on SNY feed and then again, but with Howie Rose FAN call The consensus among the Pirates was that Valdespin stood there and admired his home run a bit too much for a five-run game. Why this is the Pirates' call to make mostly eludes me—they were, after Valdespin's moonshot, winning by five runs. One cannot really show one's opponent up when having one's snot kicked out by said opponent. But evidently they were mad. So Saturday's game rolled around. Because the Mets' starting pitcher that day was not named Matt Harvey, as just one of the Mets' five starters is, the Mets trailed Pittsburgh 10-1 in the seventh inning. Manager Terry Collins was looking for someone to bat for LaTroy Hawkins (who happens to be, if you haven't followed this clusterfuck of a season, the team's best setup man, despite being 40 years old and having an 89 mile-per-hour fastball straighter than Warren Beatty). Collins chose Valdespin. Valdespin, according to Andy Martino's Tuesday dispatch for the Daily News, told the team's trainer to tell Collins that he wasn't healthy enough to hit, presumably because he didn't want to get hit. When he finally stepped to the plate, he wore a new piece of elbow padding. And, sure enough, a Pirate pitcher drilled him in the forearm. Valdespin stared down the pitcher, then went to first. Once he was back in the dugout, he threw his helmet and looked around for support from his teammates (GIF here). He didn't get any. Then he declined to speak to the media after the game, which just prompted the media to chase him further. And so Martino nabbed this bit from a not-so-felicitous clubhouse source: Oh, and there was one more thing. Before Valdespin left the ballpark on Saturday, teammate Juan Lagares asked him for a ride home, according to a clubhouse source. Ever since Lagares arrived from the minor leagues on April 23, Valdespin has tried to force the outfielder to fetch him coffee and run other minor errands that rookies are often asked to perform for veterans, according to that same source (last year, Valdespin made enemies by demanding, unsuccessfully, that veterans buy him clothing). Because Valdespin has himself only been in the major leagues since 2012, Lagares has at times refused to comply with his demands. So on Saturday, Valdespin said no, he would not give Lagares a ride home. Fortunately, Ruben Tejada volunteered. Yes, you read that correctly. Where the Mets of recent history had rookie-veteran debates between super-phenom Lastings Milledge and all-star closer Billy Wagner, these Mets have the same fights between Jordany Valdespin, a part-time outfielder hitting .235, and Juan Lagares, a part-time outfielder hitting .139. Valdespin's only support came from fans, who—understandably—thought there was something wicked in Collins sending him up on Saturday to get plunked. But Collins doesn't listen to fans! “I don’t answer to fans. They don’t play this game,” he said Tuesday night. "They have no idea what goes on. They have no idea what goes on in there. They have absolutely no idea what it means to be a professional teammate at this level." (Does Collins? He never made the bigs. And his last winning season as a manager came in 1998.) So why not cut Valdespin, then? Well, the team is on a 4-13 skid, fielding a bad lineup—think "John Buck, who is hitting .125/.222/.219 in his last nine games, and Ike Davis, who is hitting .169/.261/.288 overall, sharing the cleanup spot" bad—and enraging any fan docile enough to keep watching its games. Valdespin is, remarkably, one of the team's better hitters, and one of its most exciting presences. Maybe the kid is a distraction, but he's distracting from a tire fire. Did we mention top pitching prospect Zack Wheeler flew to New York yesterday? A call-up, perhaps? Not quite. He's there to undergo a doctor's evaluation after soreness in his clavicle. Another great day in the great history of a great franchise. http://deadspin.com/the-latest-mets-sca ... -506678407

Ceetar May 15 2013 10:09 AM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

That's a great troll post by deadspin. *rolls eyes*

batmagadanleadoff May 15 2013 10:11 AM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

I thought it was kinda funny. Because it was true. (Except the part about Valdy being the Mets center of attention).

Ceetar May 15 2013 10:24 AM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

It's deadspin's style, so whatever, but Milledge was a super-phenom and Lagares is a part time outfielder after 2 weeks? Shot at Collins for not winning. Joke about Wheeler getting called up. Inferring other teams would've released Valdespin and then calling him one of the Mets best hitters (neither is true) nor is Hawkins their best setup man.

metirish May 15 2013 10:28 AM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

I have been meaning to give props on the thread title...

Edgy MD May 15 2013 10:35 AM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

Let's clear this up. Surely somebody here can give Lagares a ride home.

Ceetar May 15 2013 10:40 AM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

Edgy MD wrote: Let's clear this up. Surely somebody here can give Lagares a ride home. Tejada did, but I'm sure Juan could've texted me and I would've picked him up.

batmagadanleadoff May 15 2013 10:49 AM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

I don't agree at all with how Terry handled Valdespin after his showboat HR. Terry's right though, as far as fans not knowing what goes on behind the scenes. To illustrate, I admit that I really don't know whether customary baseball practice requires that Valdespin take his retaliatory lumps as a pinch-hitter in a lost cause game on the following day. But Terry sent Valdy up against the Pirates, with the Mets on the wrong end of a 10-1 blowout, knowing to a near certainty that he'd get plunked. And if he's gonna get plunked, he could just as easily get injured. Seriously injured. Because a pitch to the upper body could easily morph, accidentally of course, into a pitch to the face. Or the cock. Just ask Valdy.

seawolf17 May 15 2013 11:06 AM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

DAMMIT I WISH THIS TEAM WOULD WIN A FUCKING GAME ONCE IN A WHILE SO WE WOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT THIS SHIT. This was sorta the Collins we expected, though, no? A little angry, a little crazy?

Swan Swan H May 15 2013 11:09 AM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

So what would the Pirates do to this guy? [youtube:yhocq8mt]87Tn5Hyibpk[/youtube:yhocq8mt]

Edgy MD May 15 2013 11:10 AM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

His team needed a pinch-hitter though. If he's going to plead to the trainer for a pass, that's going to undermine the rest of the team, no? Terry could have had the foresight to offer him a pass up front on his on his own terms, for his own inscrutable reasons, I'll concede. Send up Baxter or some righthander, but it might have been too obvious. Maybe it's sort of like the Mongkut in Anna and the King. The king wants to spare the life of the rebellious concubine, but once Anna lobbies him to do just that, he has to kill the girl instead, to demonstrate that rule is his and his alone, and he isn't weak enough to be influenced by womanly appeals. Yeah, I'm going with that. Gary's position was that Valdespin's celebration was as much (or more of) an insult to his Metly teammates than to the Pirates. You'd conclude from that position that his teammates supported Terry sending him out to get his rawhide medicine.

Ceetar May 15 2013 11:52 AM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

I'm more pissed that Collins wasted it in the blowout. Lead him off the next day and then pinch run with Lagares. Boom, Pirates spotting us the leadoff guy. Take that advantage. The Pirates adherence to the stupid retaliation practice is the real problem here. Get over it and stop throwing 90 mph projectiles at human beings with the intention to hurt them. If only there were some sort of competitive game they could play to work out their differences.

Swan Swan H May 15 2013 11:59 AM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

3-2-1 Context

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 15 2013 12:14 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

Nice post by Carig. And sure enough it was the Francessa remarks that got this stupid issue into the discussion realm in the first place

Edgy MD May 15 2013 12:14 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

Mike Francesa. Bucket called it.

Edgy MD May 15 2013 12:18 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

Oh, and it was a second at-bat he asked out of. Wow. How cool would it have been if Terry said "no good meddling kids"? Very.

Centerfield May 15 2013 12:22 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

Swan Swan H wrote: So what would the Pirates do to this guy? [youtube]87Tn5Hyibpk[/youtube] Awesome. I'm dying here. "Of course, he might just be pointing to the Left Fielder"

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 15 2013 12:26 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

Edgy MD wrote: Oh, and it was a second at-bat he asked out of. Wow. How cool would it have been if Terry said "no good meddling kids"? Very. Deadspin had it as right as Bucket. From the Pirate reaction to the press businesss... this is just... the stupidest, really.

Edgy MD May 15 2013 12:31 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

Well, I think their (dead)spin puts this more as a Met-generated shitstorm rather than a hyper-reactionary one. (And wouldn't an actual shitstorm be a really bad place to be?)

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 15 2013 12:33 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 15 2013 12:40 PM

Not if you're a vegetable (see: Brassica Francesa). But, yeah, fair enough. On a tangential note... love the Carig in general. (He's pretty funny on the Tweeterhighway, too.)

G-Fafif May 15 2013 12:37 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

Just rewatched the HR, which in real time I didn't think was that big a deal in terms of Valdy doing his usual thing because so many players in baseball don't run out of the box when they think they've gone deep. And now that I've seen it again...I still don't see what was so gol'dang unusual about it. Yeah, a little extra mustard, a disturbing trend, call Phil Mushnick, whatever. But did he high-five himself? Dance a jig? They were losing by a bunch...they're always losing by a bunch. I was there Saturday saw him get hit, took me a moment to realize what the "purpose" was...gads, big league ballplayers are touchy. Fuck the Pirates mostly. They're offended they had to wait an extra 30 second to get to the postgame spread? Take it out on Contreras. Collins shouldn't be in trouble over his remarks. He should be in trouble because the Mets are 42-71 in their last 113.

Benjamin Grimm May 15 2013 12:40 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

Yeah, I can't really say I have a problem with Terry being candid. It's actually somewhat refreshing.

Centerfield May 15 2013 12:41 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Yeah, I can't really say I have a problem with Terry being candid. It's actually somewhat refreshing. What he said. (Am I the only one that finds that YouTube clip hilarious? I'm still dying here. Do you see the pitcher trying not to crack up? It's priceless.)

batmagadanleadoff May 15 2013 12:43 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

G-Fafif wrote: Just rewatched the HR, which in real time I didn't think was that big a deal in terms of Valdy doing his usual thing because so many players in baseball don't run out of the box when they think they've gone deep. And now that I've seen it again...I still don't see what was so gol'dang unusual about it. Yeah, a little extra mustard, a disturbing trend, call Phil Mushnick, whatever. But did he high-five himself? Dance a jig? They were losing by a bunch...they're always losing by a bunch. I was there Saturday saw him get hit, took me a moment to realize what the "purpose" was...gads, big league ballplayers are touchy. Fuck the Pirates mostly. They're offended they had to wait an extra 30 second to get to the postgame spread? Take it out on Contreras. Collins shouldn't be in trouble over his remarks. He should be in trouble because the Mets are 42-71 in their last 113. I thought the same. Sammy Sosa, as just one example, spent his whole NL career, spanning hundreds of HR's, doing that revoltingly asinine bunny rabbit hop out of the batter's box, cadillacing it and also, no doubt, bungling many doubles into singles when some of his HR's turned out not to be. Jeez, I'da plunked Sosa myself if I was his own damn manager.

batmagadanleadoff May 15 2013 12:44 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Yeah, I can't really say I have a problem with Terry being candid. It's actually somewhat refreshing. Me neither. I just question the idea of sending someone up in a lost cause game, knowing he's gonna get hit. Custom? So what? Some societies mutilate the vaginas of every young female. Out of custom.

Benjamin Grimm May 15 2013 12:50 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

Well, Jordany's vagina was already mutilated during spring training, so at least Terry didn't have to worry about that.

Vic Sage May 15 2013 12:51 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 15 2013 12:52 PM

Just rewatched the HR, which in real time I didn't think was that big a deal in terms of Valdy doing his usual thing because so many players in baseball don't run out of the box when they think they've gone deep. And now that I've seen it again...I still don't see what was so gol'dang unusual about it. Yeah, a little extra mustard, a disturbing trend, call Phil Mushnick, whatever. But did he high-five himself? Dance a jig? They were losing by a bunch...they're always losing by a bunch. I was there Saturday saw him get hit, took me a moment to realize what the "purpose" was...gads, big league ballplayers are touchy. Fuck the Pirates mostly. They're offended they had to wait an extra 30 second to get to the postgame spread? Take it out on Contreras. Collins shouldn't be in trouble over his remarks. He should be in trouble because the Mets are 42-71 in their last 113 That's the point for me... the Mets had much more reason to be annoyed with him than the Bucs did. They were up 7-1... what the hell do they care if a Met wants to make a total fool of himself by cadillacing in a losing blowout, putting the spotlight on his own accomplishment during his own team's losing effort. I would totally understand why OUR pitcher would want to hit Valdy, but why the BUCs? Sure, if Valdy did it while the Mets were blowing the BUCS out, showing them up and rubbing it in, then absolutely, bombs away. But this? Just alot of "know your place, rook" bullshit.

G-Fafif May 15 2013 12:51 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

Well, Jordany's vagina was already mutilated during spring training, so at least Terry didn't have to worry about that. Oh, for this to be slipped to Francesa so he could state it as fact at 5:05 this afternoon.

Frayed Knot May 15 2013 12:57 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

batmagadanleadoff wrote: G-Fafif wrote: Just rewatched the HR, which in real time I didn't think was that big a deal in terms of Valdy doing his usual thing because so many players in baseball don't run out of the box when they think they've gone deep. And now that I've seen it again...I still don't see what was so gol'dang unusual about it. Yeah, a little extra mustard, a disturbing trend, call Phil Mushnick, whatever. But did he high-five himself? Dance a jig? They were losing by a bunch...they're always losing by a bunch. I thought the same. So did I. I was surprised at the fuss Gary & Ron made over the whole thing. Ideal behavior? No. Criminal? Hardly.

vtmet May 15 2013 03:08 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

sometimes I wonder if the players, etc that make these unwritten baseball etiquette rules have ever watched football, basketball or hockey...what offends some of these veteran players is so vanilla compared to the shit that you see for celebrations in other sports or how guys just barely drafted out of college are immediately the most important player on a team in one of these other sports...

Frayed Knot May 15 2013 03:40 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

vtmet wrote: sometimes I wonder if the players, etc that make these unwritten baseball etiquette rules have ever watched football, basketball or hockey...what offends some of these veteran players is so vanilla compared to the shit that you see for celebrations in other sports or how guys just barely drafted out of college are immediately the most important player on a team in one of these other sports... I remember seeing the a young (probably even rookie) Deion Sanders, then w/the Falcons, intercept a pass late in the 4th quarter and going preening and high-stepping his way into the end-zone like some Dancing with the Star contestant to make the score 35-7 .... AGAINST Atlanta. I remember thinking that I'd want to kill him if I were his teammate. Except that his teammates supposedly loved the guy everywhere he went and didn't bat an eye at what many of us would consider stupid foolishness. Different sport, different cultures.

Ashie62 May 15 2013 04:14 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

Nauseating...

vtmet May 15 2013 04:25 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

Neon Dieon Sanders and Micheal Irvin are what finally turned me off to the NFL...I grew up a Cowboys fan, and I could semi-take it when Tom Landry got kicked to the curb because I liked Troy Aikman and Emmitt Smith...but after awhile it got hard to root for Sanders/Irvin...

Edgy MD May 15 2013 05:29 PM Re: Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

I wonder if there's video of Deion Sanders as a rookie with the Yankees when Carlton Fisk chased him down to first base... for being a disgrace to the Yankees.