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IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

Ashie62 Jun 04 2013 10:31 AM

No Harper.... A nice day off for the rested Mets bats to support your local Hef..

Zvon Jun 04 2013 02:32 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

We should spend this entire game ASG/voting for Wright and Murphy.

Ceetar Jun 04 2013 02:36 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

Zvon wrote: We should spend this entire game ASG/voting for Wright and Murphy. I'm gonna vote Buck and Davis and Tejada and Duda/Beltran/Baxter as well.

Ceetar Jun 04 2013 03:24 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

Omar Quintanilla – SS Daniel Murphy – 2B David Wright – 3B Lucas Duda – LF John Buck – C Ike Davis – 1B Jordany Valdespin – RF Rick Ankiel – CF Jeremy Hefner – RHP IN?THE?FIELD:The Mets have committed at least one error in each of their last six games, their longest streak since they made an error in seven straight games from July 20-26, 2011. MArLON?ByrD: Collected his 1,100th career hit on Sunday at Miami with his RBI single in the fifth inning. rECOrD: Matt Harvey set a franchise record on Sunday with his nodecision at Miami...It was his 12th start of the season without a loss...Armando Reynoso went 11 starts to begin the year without a loss in 1997. Mets vs. Jordan Zimmermann Ankiel - .000 (0-3) Baxter - .000 (0-4) Buck - .308 (4-13, HR) Byrd - .250 (2-8) Davis - .250 (4-16, HR) Duda - .167 (2-12) Lagares - .000 (0-0) Murphy - .292 (7-24, HR) Quintanilla - .000 (0-2) Recker - .000 (0-0) Turner - .000 (0-0) Valdespin - .143 (1-7) Wright - .321 (9-28, 2 HR)

Zvon Jun 04 2013 05:11 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

Ouch. Thatll leave a mark. Wright plunked in the first. Upper arm.

Zvon Jun 04 2013 05:27 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

The thing I like about that double by Valdesac is the way he looked to the third base coach as he approached second. We were both thinking triple and Tuefel (if hes coaching 3rd tonite) wisely thought otherwise.

Zvon Jun 04 2013 05:31 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

https://wapsecure.mlb.com/asg/ballot/

Zvon Jun 04 2013 05:33 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

Desmond has a barrow in the market place...

duan Jun 04 2013 05:38 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

Can I ask a question, if Hefner continued in the rotation, would he be on pace for MOST HOMERS ALLOWED in a season?

Zvon Jun 04 2013 05:44 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

duan wrote: Can I ask a question, if Hefner continued in the rotation, would he be on pace for MOST HOMERS ALLOWED in a season? No clue. I thought Carson was gonna break that record from the pen.

Zvon Jun 04 2013 05:47 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

You see that Harper clip of him running into the wall? I heard about it and saw stills, not the clip. I figured he caught it. Not only did he not catch it, he didn't even know the wall was there until he thumped into it.

Edgy MD Jun 04 2013 05:50 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

duan wrote: Can I ask a question, if Hefner continued in the rotation, would he be on pace for MOST HOMERS ALLOWED in a season? Fortunately, we have the Ultimate Mets Database for just such a question. 1. Roger Craig. 1962: 35 2. Pedro Astacio, 2002: 32 3. Jay Hook, 1962: 31 T4. Pete Harnisch, 1996: 30 T4. Rick Reed, 1998: 30 6. Steve Trachsel, 2001: 28 T7. Rick Reed, 2000: 28 T7. Roger Craig, 1963: 28 9. Chris Capuano, 2011: 27 T10. Jack Fisher, 1966: 26 T10. Steve Trachsel, 2003: 26 T10. Bobby Jones, 1996: 26 T10. Frank Tanana, 1993: 26 Hefner is looking at around 32-33.

Zvon Jun 04 2013 05:52 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

Edgy MD wrote: Hefner is looking at around 32-33. Wow.

Frayed Knot Jun 04 2013 06:06 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

Single Season Record = 50 by HoF-er Bert Blyleven

Zvon Jun 04 2013 06:07 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 04 2013 06:09 PM

Jordany trying to make things happen. oe: or maybe the Nats allowing him to try.

Zvon Jun 04 2013 06:08 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

YEAAAAA! Mr Q! TRIBOOM! Mets take the lead.

Frayed Knot Jun 04 2013 06:09 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

Q has def increased the offense we're getting from SS Now we just have to see if he can go more than one game in a row without making an error.

vtmet Jun 04 2013 06:10 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

and I missing something? The MASN crew just said that Omar Q has 15 RBI? how?

Zvon Jun 04 2013 06:12 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

I was able to vote(ASG) 20 times inside of five minutes

Zvon Jun 04 2013 06:12 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

vtmet wrote: and I missing something? The MASN crew just said that Omar Q has 15 RBI? how? Career?

vtmet Jun 04 2013 06:14 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

Frayed Knot wrote: Q has def increased the offense we're getting from SS . that doesn't take much...Tejada gives you about as much offense as Tim Bogar (except with less power, less speed and less defense)...

Zvon Jun 04 2013 06:15 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

uh oh. Whats Gary referring to..... 20 players to be suspended for 100 games re: that Miami clinic business. A-Rod and Braun among them. OE: thats not official. Just going on what Gary has said.

Ashie62 Jun 04 2013 06:17 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

The Mets will lose Cesar Puello lol

Zvon Jun 04 2013 06:18 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

Ashie62 wrote: The Mets will lose Cesar Puello lol Ha! He probly sucks.

Zvon Jun 04 2013 06:21 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

READ ALL ABOUT IT! http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/ ... estigation

Zvon Jun 04 2013 06:35 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

Heff wants hops.

Zvon Jun 04 2013 06:40 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

Maybe not. That was NOT a good time for your first walk of the night Hefner. Desmond takes a trolley to...NOW GET THIS OUT! YES. GJ! 2-1 Mets

Zvon Jun 04 2013 06:50 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

That was more a hit than Valdes first time up. Jeeze, these official scorers. I agree w/Ronnie. Go for it. Jordany thrown out trying to steal.

Nymr83 Jun 04 2013 06:56 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

Heffner says "please don't demote me" tonight!

duan Jun 04 2013 06:56 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

How short is this game going to be... Won't be much over 2 hours unless it goes tomextras

Fman99 Jun 04 2013 06:58 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

All Omar Quesadilla does is hit.

Edgy MD Jun 04 2013 06:59 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

He can also love. Trust me, I know. How about we get us an insurance run here? Cool thing about those is they mean you don't have to default to the no-doubles defense in the last two innings.

Zvon Jun 04 2013 06:59 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

duan wrote: How short is this game going to be... Won't be much over 2 hours unless it goes tomextras These are our Mets. Nats will tie it and it'll go 24 innings. Mr Q with a double. Nice. So many hitters don't properly go the other way anymore. Mr Q does.

Frayed Knot Jun 04 2013 07:04 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

duan wrote: How short is this game going to be... Won't be much over 2 hours unless it goes tomextras After my rant on long games, I'll take it. Heading for the bottom of the 8th, just shy of two hours right now. Yanx currently in a game with similar offense (4-0) still in the top of the 6th

Zvon Jun 04 2013 07:11 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

If it comes in under two hours I'm gonna feel short changed.

Zvon Jun 04 2013 07:25 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

You're bummin me out Bobby.

Nymr83 Jun 04 2013 07:28 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

I HATE the intentional walk here to a terrible hitter in Bernadina, try to strike him out you idiots!!!

Zvon Jun 04 2013 07:31 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

Any way we get out of this?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 04 2013 07:32 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

The problem with pitching to Bernardina is, a dribbling ground ball-- or bunt-- from said terrible hitter gets the winning run home.

Zvon Jun 04 2013 07:35 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Bobby, are you gonna be one of those closers that loses the games I want to win the most? Mets lose-3-2 in the 9th.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 04 2013 07:35 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

I'm with the broadcast team-- the fastball up and away, again? Even a tapped curve likely stays in the infield. Fart.

Nymr83 Jun 04 2013 07:35 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: The problem with pitching to Bernardina is, a dribbling ground ball-- or bunt-- from said terrible hitter gets the winning run home. the play is at home with the infield in anyway, its just a tag instead of a force and the runner might not even be running automatically on contact (which he is with bases loaded) i'm not scared of getting bunted on there

Fman99 Jun 04 2013 07:36 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

This game made my cock/heart/brain/anus hurt.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 04 2013 07:43 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

wt.f. I'm in Arkansas. I followed this on my phone till the batteries died then since it was a"free" mlb.tv game tuned in to the final half-inning on my laptop. Whoever complains that the Nats announcers are gigantic homer cock-gobblers doesn't do it enough. Holy hell. First we get Ray Knight telling us what "we" need to do to win then the duo on pbp sucked even harder than Parnell tonight. w. tf.

Frayed Knot Jun 04 2013 07:58 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

We can nit-pick the strategy all we want, but when the offense doesn't give the staff any margin for error, then the closer comes in and gives up two rocket doubles sandwiched around a single, and then throws in a wild pitch just for good measure (I don't care how they scored that, it was a WP) then it's going to be tough to win. For the record, I preferred pitching to Bernadina because Lombardozzi is a better contact guy but it's a debatable topic and we were going to have to pitch to him eventually no matter what you did. As far as Parnell's pitch selection, I prefer that he un-select the ones he threw that wound up smacking against the walls despite the no-doubles defense.

Zvon Jun 04 2013 08:08 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

Frayed Knot wrote: For the record, I preferred pitching to Bernadina because Lombardozzi is a better contact guy but it's a debatable topic and we were going to have to pitch to him eventually no matter what you did. I don't think it is debatable. We needed three out. To get that 1st one Berny was the preferred client in my book. Terry, you're bummin me out!

Frayed Knot Jun 04 2013 08:40 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

It's certainly debatable as the out at home is considerably tougher to get when there's not force. That's the rationale for the IW there. Zvon wrote: If it comes in under two hours I'm gonna feel short changed. 2:23 was the official time - and I feel cheated by the result not the time.

Edgy MD Jun 04 2013 08:46 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

Frayed Knot wrote: We can nit-pick the strategy all we want, but when the offense doesn't give the staff any margin for error, then the closer comes in and gives up two rocket doubles sandwiched around a single, and then throws in a wild pitch just for good measure (I don't care how they scored that, it was a WP) then it's going to be tough to win. Hey, the no-margin-for-error mantra is my song.

Frayed Knot Jun 04 2013 08:54 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

OK then I'll just bitch about getting four hits for the entire game, one of which was a questionably scored bunt.

Frayed Knot Jun 04 2013 08:57 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

It was a whole evening of walk-offs in the NL East - Braves win via walk-off vs Pittsburgh (Simmons doubles off the wall with runners on 1st & 2nd) - Phils win in walk-off courtesy of an extra-inning John Mayberry Grand Slam (after he tied it in the 9th w/a HR) against Miami Three walk-off winners, two walk-off losers, and two blown saves (Parnell & Cishek)

Zvon Jun 04 2013 09:12 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

No debate that they suck right now. Hittings been sporadic for some time. The Yankee series was a gift I do appreciate. But watching this... The kind of Met fan I am, this sucks cuz I'm a lifer and I'm gonna have to witness this kinda baseball until they improve. I have turned my back on the team in the past, but with the internet its harder to do cause I can chat w/Met fans. And I got that nifty MLB.TV thang. So I'm just gonna have to do a pouty face and bear it. :( Don't mind me. Im pissed at Parnell. Bobby, ya let me down boy! And pissed at Terry. And miffed at Jeff Wilpon cuz I just learned about the Norfolk business.

Ashie62 Jun 05 2013 06:13 AM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

Too many mediocre Met starters are pitching gems only to come away with nothing..

Edgy MD Jun 05 2013 10:04 AM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

Which is something, I think. I think it's reasonable to suggest that this could be a really consistently good pitching team over the next few years and maybe soon. But the outlook on hitting looks murkier right now.

Swan Swan H Jun 05 2013 11:01 AM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

I'd rather have to fix the hitting than the pitching.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 05 2013 11:18 AM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

It's one of the worst hitting Mets team I've ever witnessed. Wright's all-star caliber season is more than offset and undermined by Ike's reversion to early 2012 form. But this was expected. Or should have been. This is what everyone ought to have known would happen, especially when payroll is cut by about $100M and there's no cavalry coming to the rescue from the Mets farm. Half the lineup is comprised of retreads, scrubs and guys that right now should be playing catch with their kids at home. They're unwatchable, really. And that's what I've been not doing. Except for Harvey starts. I still marvel at the way you guys can dissect pitchers like Lyon, Burke and Atchinson to the most infinite detail because I still haven't memorized what those pitchers even look like. They're just names. And barely at that.

Ceetar Jun 05 2013 11:33 AM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

clearly. Not buying free agents really messed with Davis and his approach at the plate. Jeff Wilpon literally tore out Santana's capsule to sell on the black market and Tejada was so down on the idea of a reduced payroll he decide he didn't really need to hit or field anymore.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 05 2013 11:59 AM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

Ceetar wrote: clearly. Not buying free agents really messed with Davis and his approach at the plate. Jeff Wilpon literally tore out Santana's capsule to sell on the black market and Tejada was so down on the idea of a reduced payroll he decide he didn't really need to hit or field anymore. That's not what I wrote. Davis has been wretched for two of the last three half seasons and thus, hardly a lock to be the next Carlos Delgado. And Santana's plight has little, if anything, to do with the state of the Mets offense. That the Mets biggest recent pffensive acquisitions are Andrew Brown and Andres Torres says it all. I doubt that the solution is to simply wait for Ruben Tejada to re-discover his 2012 self.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 05 2013 12:03 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

I'm glad you set us straight. Here we all were foolishly thinking that Ike Davis is a lock to be the next Carlos Delgado.

Ceetar Jun 05 2013 12:10 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

If you expected the Mets offense to be this bad you were being overly pessimistic or just flat out guessing.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 05 2013 12:16 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

Ceetar wrote: If you expected the Mets offense to be this bad you were being overly pessimistic or just flat out guessing. What were you thinking? That everything that could possibly go right with the Mets would go right? That each Met would perform to their most optimistic prognostication. That Ike, Duda and Wright would combine for 110 HR's and that Santana would get Cy Young Award votes?

Benjamin Grimm Jun 05 2013 12:18 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

There is, you know, a middle ground between "everything going right" and "everything going wrong."

Edgy MD Jun 05 2013 12:24 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

I'm a little confused as to how we judge the bigness (embiggitude?) of offensive acquisitions. I know the team hasn't cut $100 million from payroll. The Mets are up against it. The next person to drop his eggs and shout with surprise that they are struggling will be the first.

Ceetar Jun 05 2013 12:43 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

Benjamin Grimm wrote: There is, you know, a middle ground between "everything going right" and "everything going wrong." Correct, and while some things have gone as expected with regards to the offense, nothing has gone better than expected and quite a bit has gone wrong.

Vic Sage Jun 05 2013 01:48 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

Ceetar wrote: If you expected the Mets offense to be this bad you were being overly pessimistic or just flat out guessing. Ha ha ha. you're funny. yes, this was totally unforseeable. And if you DID forsee it, you're a poopy pants. Your logic is positively Ceetardian.

Ceetar Jun 05 2013 01:58 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 05 2013 08:42 PM

Vic Sage wrote: Ceetar wrote: If you expected the Mets offense to be this bad you were being overly pessimistic or just flat out guessing. Ha ha ha. you're funny. yes, this was totally unforseeable. And if you DID forsee it, you're a poopy pants. Your logic is positively Ceetardian. It wasn't unforeseeable, it was just pretty unlikely. And I'll add that it's pretty unlikely it stays this way too.

Edgy MD Jun 05 2013 02:02 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

That first statement was meant to be "It wasn't unforeseeable," right?

Vic Sage Jun 05 2013 02:18 PM Re: IGT 6/4 Mets @ Nats Hefner v. Zimmeman

This was not at all unlikely; that's why so many of us predicted 85-95+ losses this season and didn't renew ticket plans. I do agree, however, that the offense is unlikely to stay THIS bad all year; no team is as bad as they look when they're losing or as good as they look when they're winning. Plus unproductive players will usually get dumped at some point. But we're getting approximately what we could have reasonably expected from 3b, 2b and LF; the C is around his lifetime numbers, with more power; CF and RF was slated to be manned by a collection of castoffs, marginal rooks and used up vets -- why should you have expected to get anything from such a menagerie? As for 1B, to date we're getting EXACTLY what we got at this point last season (maybe Ike turns it around again in the 2nd half, maybe he doesn't). SS is the only position where we've gotten significantly less than we could've reasonably expected, but as a #8 hitter with a 91 OPS+, our offense wasn't exactly built around Tejada's success or failure. But this analysis makes me either a pessimist or a lucky so-and-so.