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Waiting for Wheeler
A Boy Named Seo May 31 2013 12:57 PM |
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Read this by Rubin and it confused me pretty good. If Super 2 status is based on a very specific amount of service time (I've read 2 years, 119 days to be exact), why is there conjecture? Seems there should be an exact date for every player who would be eligible based on their first day of service time. Uh, right?
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Ceetar May 31 2013 01:02 PM Re: Waiting for Wheeler |
it's not an exact date. It's a percentage of some sort. I could dig for the actual specifics, but basically its' a roving date based on everyone's service time across the league and what not.
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Frayed Knot May 31 2013 01:12 PM Re: Waiting for Wheeler |
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The cut-off for "Super-2" players is NOT specific, and it's intentionally not specific for the very reason that teams would use it to take advantage and effectively delay arbitration by a year*. What it used to be was that ALL players with 3 years or more plus 1/6 of the players with the most ML service time between two and three years. I believe that got tweaked slightly during the last CBA but it's still along similar lines. What Rubin is saying is that the Mets are calculating, based on historical data most likely plus other factors, how late in the season a player can be called up and still fall into the 'Under' category after the 2015 season but that other teams might calculate differently. There's no way to KNOW what the "correct" date is because there are too many factors involving other teams' players -- Seattle just sent Jesus Montero down for instance, so he's not presently accumulating ML time even though he's someone who most would have predicted would be up for good after his initial promotion. His specific status probably won't affect Wheeler's (unless he's down longer than expected) but how long he spends in AAA almost certainly WILL affect the "Super-2" class of 2014. * When arb first was installed it was for all players over 2 seasons. The owners cried poverty during one of the CBA negotiations and, in a rare example of player give-backs prior to the more recent contracts, the Arb deadline was pushed back to 3 years. The owners then immediately did what owners tend to do in most situations and took advantage of the situation by delaying players call-ups until after the season had started effectively making Arb into a Four-Year requirement. Now, not surprisingly, it was the players' turn to call foul at which point the 5/6 vs 1/6 compromise was reached.
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A Boy Named Seo May 31 2013 01:24 PM Re: Waiting for Wheeler |
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Thanks, dudes. Glad it's all on the up-and-up and no teams are using it exactly for the reason of delaying arbitration anyway, cough cough.
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Frayed Knot May 31 2013 02:23 PM Re: Waiting for Wheeler |
The difference now is that teams have to guess when the right day is to call up their prospects and save money down the road instead of knowing it.
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A Boy Named Seo May 31 2013 02:36 PM Re: Waiting for Wheeler |
That big league pay bump would be nice for the handfuls of dudes who are ready to make the leap & being delayed weeks (or months) because teams are clinging to that cloudy super 2 date. Unchill.
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Edgy MD May 31 2013 06:14 PM Re: Waiting for Wheeler |
There's just something that really really annoys me about strategically manipulating players service time. I get a twitch every time I read the words "Super 2." I don't quite get why it bugs me so deeply.
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batmagadanleadoff Jun 07 2013 06:59 PM Re: Waiting for Wheeler |
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Source: Mets eye next Friday for Zack debut
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/p ... zack-debut
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Benjamin Grimm Jun 08 2013 11:33 AM Re: Waiting for Wheeler |
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Edgy MD Jun 08 2013 11:35 AM Re: Waiting for Wheeler |
Yeah, it seemed crazy that they'd debut him at home.
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Zvon Jun 08 2013 11:42 AM Re: Waiting for Wheeler |
Yeah, against a shitty Cubs team thats 14 games out. Yeah, let him brew long enough to not be nervous about pitching against the Braves. In Atlanta.
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Frayed Knot Jun 08 2013 12:49 PM Re: Waiting for Wheeler |
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I love the total non-specific nature of "a baseball source", something that could be used to describe anyone from a fan to a clubhouse boy to Sandy to Bud Selig. But it is the time of year for such things. Pittsburgh is expected to start, Gerrit Cole, their top pitching prospect sometime this week as well.
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Zvon Jun 08 2013 01:15 PM Re: Waiting for Wheeler |
I didn't know Wheeler didn't do well last night :(
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Edgy MD Jun 08 2013 01:23 PM Re: Waiting for Wheeler |
That yella stripe on the M in Miami just looks like a yorkie peed on everybody's shirt. Looks worse on white, but stil.
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Edgy MD Jun 08 2013 01:29 PM Re: Waiting for Wheeler |
That's the way to get out of it.
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Frayed Knot Jun 08 2013 01:30 PM Re: Waiting for Wheeler |
Upon further review, we have a flag here on incorrect thread usage. Fifteen yards and loss of down.
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Zvon Jun 08 2013 01:45 PM Re: Waiting for Wheeler |
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He can fix that in post production.
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Edgy MD Jun 12 2013 08:11 AM Re: Waiting for Wheeler |
To read Wheeler's FB updates, he's stressing out trying to act as ticket agent for all the family and friends wanting to see his first start. Step it up, Mets.
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Benjamin Grimm Jun 12 2013 08:14 AM Re: Waiting for Wheeler |
They should also invite Dan and Ella Gooden and Nelson Figueroa's dad.
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Frayed Knot Jun 14 2013 07:10 AM Re: Waiting for Wheeler |
Final* AAA tune-up for Wheeler = 5-2/3; 1 R; 1 H (HR); 2 BB; 7 K in a game the 51s eventually lost 11-0 (even our proxy bullpens suck)
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Ceetar Jun 14 2013 07:16 AM Re: Waiting for Wheeler |
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This happens to everyone. I'm sure the Mets are handling it, but family and friends are still going to call _him_, especially since they're going to want to offer their congratulations and tell him they'll be there, etc etc.
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Edgy MD Jun 14 2013 09:31 AM Re: Waiting for Wheeler |
Rock solid in his final minor league start (hopefully ever):
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 14 2013 10:46 AM Re: Waiting for Wheeler |
That thoughtful article by the Tacoma fan who had sympathy for the 51s made it all better though.
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Frayed Knot Jun 18 2013 10:15 AM Re: Waiting for Wheeler |
Not surprisingly, Zack Wheeler gets John Sickels' 'Prospect of the Day' treatment.
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Swan Swan H Jun 18 2013 10:17 AM Re: Waiting for Wheeler |
Harvey wearing 33, Wheeler 45.... maybe when Montero comes up they should give him 78.
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Benjamin Grimm Jun 18 2013 10:31 AM Re: Waiting for Wheeler |
Interesting choice. I think I would have given him a number with less Mets history. Like maybe 46 or 38 or something.
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Edgy MD Jun 18 2013 10:48 AM Re: Waiting for Wheeler |
Which do you prefer?
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Swan Swan H Jun 18 2013 11:11 AM Re: Waiting for Wheeler |
Wheeler will be optioned. Already you're conflating the two greatest pitchers in Mets history, as people will be saying in 2029.
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Swan Swan H Jun 18 2013 11:13 AM Re: Waiting for Wheeler |
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He came here with the Twitter handle Wheelerpro45, so I guess he's got some history with the number. I think they gave him 65 in the spring so he would get the message right away that he was not long for the big league camp.
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batmagadanleadoff Jun 20 2013 09:57 AM Re: Waiting for Wheeler |
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http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-trian ... t-the-call
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