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1/3 of a season (more or less)

Frayed Knot Jun 02 2013 07:29 PM

All teams have now reached (or slightly passed) the 54 game mark and I like to look at various stats at this 1/3 mark of the season and project final stats if a player continues to produce "at this pace". Some selected ones from around the league projected from stats as of the end of games on Saturday. Domonic Brown / Phils = 45 HRs -- His previous high is 5 (in about 200 ABs) and he hit #16 this afternoon Cole Hamels = 3 Wins - 27 Losses; 4.86 Brandon Phillips / Reds = 145 RBIs Carlos Gomez / Brewers= .321/.364/.580; 81 XBHs Shin-Soo Choo / Reds = 45 HBPs Matt Kemp / Dodgers = 6 HRs, 21 SBs (remember when this guy talked about going 50/50 about two years ago?) Evan Gattis / Braves = 117 Hits with 69 XBHs in 417 ABs Upton Bros / Braves = 375 Ks combined Miguel Cabrera / Tigers = 195 RBIs w/54 HRs Chris Davis / Orioles = 57 HRs Chris Carter / Astros = 231 Ks in 540 ABs John Hamilton / Angels = 24 HRs w/a .282 OBA Derek Jeter / Yanx = 0 ABs Raul Ibanez / Mariners = 27 HRs in 363 ABs (at age 41) Manny Machado / Orioles = 75 Doubles (at age 20) Mike Trout / Angels = 90 XBHs Yu Darvish / Rangers = 315 Ks Felix Hernandez / Mariners = 250 IPs R. A. Dickey / Blue Jays = 129 ER + 36 HRs allowed (vs 71 & 24 last season) Matt Moore / Rays = 24-0, 2.18 ERA Jason Bay = 24 HRs; .363 OBA Patrick Corbin / DBacks = 24 Wins - 0 Losses; 39 Earned Runs Allowed (and he notched his 9th win today)

Zvon Jun 02 2013 09:13 PM Re: 1/3 of a season (more or less)

If M.Cabrera wins another triple crown I am gonna have to sit up & take notice. That would be historic. Him getting the one was but no one seemed to notice much. If he leads in Avg., hits, runs, &RBIs (like he is now), what does he get? The Quadruple Headband?

batmagadanleadoff Jun 02 2013 09:35 PM Re: 1/3 of a season (more or less)

one of our own -- Daniel Murphy -- on pace to hit 57 doubles.

Frayed Knot Jun 03 2013 06:35 AM Re: 1/3 of a season (more or less)

Zvon wrote: If M.Cabrera wins another triple crown I am gonna have to sit up & take notice. That would be historic. Him getting the one was but no one seemed to notice much. If he leads in Avg., hits, runs, &RBIs (like he is now), what does he get? The Quadruple Headband? I think sitting up and taking notice of M Cabrera's hitting is a good idea (and long has been) whether he ever wins another Triple crown or not. As much as one needs to be a great hitter to win a TC--much less two, much less two in a row--there are still factors you can’t control and therefore there’ll always be a quirkiness to the whole thing which makes it more the outcome of great hitting than proof of it. Mantle had the same WAR figure, plus a slightly better OPS/OPS+, plus a 2nd consecutive MVP award in the season AFTER his 1956 TC but won none of the three categories - in part because Ted Williams decided, at age 38, to hit .388 that season. The Yaquis, ever understanding of the flukey nature of stats and grateful to have such a ballplayer in his prime on their team following up an historic season with another great one, reacted to his non-TC season by attempting to cut his salary for the following year.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 03 2013 06:44 AM Re: 1/3 of a season (more or less)

Scott Rice, NYM : 96 appearances (2nd all-time)

Edgy MD Jun 03 2013 07:40 AM Re: 1/3 of a season (more or less)

Miguel Cabrera is worth looking at. The guy is hitting homeruns by dropping to one knee on pitches out of the strike zone. With a drinking problem! He may not be the fine-tuned combination of hitting ability and plate discipline that Pujols, Bonds, and Frank Thomas were in their primes, but as a pure masher who can crush any pitch in your arsenal --- the likes of Manny Ramirez, Adrian Beltre, that sort --- he's a heckuva thing to watch. I think we briefly saw its like with Moises Alou during the 18 seconds he was healthy. There was no good mechanics/bad mechanics in his swing. There was no covering this part of the plate versus that part. There was, "You throw it, I can turn on it."

Vic Sage Jun 03 2013 08:08 AM Re: 1/3 of a season (more or less)

lets not overlook Alou's "piss on my hands" technique. That took some discipline, too, i would imagine.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 03 2013 10:07 AM Re: 1/3 of a season (more or less)

Vlad 2.0? Vlad 2.0.

Lefty Specialist Jun 03 2013 11:16 AM Re: 1/3 of a season (more or less)

Let's not forget a Mets record of 66-96. I'm guessing Terry is 1/3 of the way toward finding another job within the organization.

Vic Sage Jun 03 2013 11:52 AM Re: 1/3 of a season (more or less)

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Vlad 2.0? Vlad 2.0. I think Miggsy is a better hitter than Vlad in every measurable way; maybe not hugely better, but significantly better. If you want to factor in SBs and defense, of course, that makes it a much closer discussion as to who was the better overall PLAYER, and i wouldn't argue with anyone who picked Vlad in that debate. But purely as a hitter, Miggsy isn't Vlad 2.0; he's Miggsy 1.0.

metsmarathon Jun 04 2013 07:17 AM Re: 1/3 of a season (more or less)

i think part of what hurt vlad was his ridiculous plate coverage. he was able to make a lot of bad contact, and that bad contact made for more outs. fewer strikeouts, but more balls put into play, and those balls put into play turned into outs moreso than miggy. vlad had a career babip of 0.316, which sat around 0.320-0.330 during his peak. cabrera has a career babip of 0.347 (0.347!) which tells me he's making a shit-ton of solid contact. his ld% is 22%, compared to vlad's 20%. where i think the real difference is is in the infield fly ball rate - vlad's average was at 14%, miggy is at 10%, and for the past four years it's at about 8%. vlad also had a slightly higher gb/fb ratio, 0.80 vs 0.74. vlad made a lot of bad contact in amongst all the good. all miggy seems to make is good contact.

Frayed Knot Jun 04 2013 07:32 AM Re: 1/3 of a season (more or less) Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 04 2013 10:46 AM

If Miggy is anyone 2.0 it's Albert Although, as good as he is to date (just turned 30), he's still not where Albert was at the same age. M. Cabrera (current): 6,732 PAs; .320/.396/.565; 338 HRs; 401 2Bs Albert (thru age 30): 6,782 PAs; .331/.426/.624; 408 HRs; 426 2Bs

Edgy MD Jun 04 2013 08:02 AM Re: 1/3 of a season (more or less)

I still like my Manny comparison, but mostly because of personality challenges. Baseball-Reference likes Frank Robinson. Cabrera (current): 6,732 PAs; .320/.396/.565; 338 HRs; 401 2Bs Robby (through '65): 6,408 PAs: .303/.389/.554; 324 HRs 318 2Bs Robinson gave you more on the basepaths, stealing 161 bases, to Cabrera's 33. Both started their careers in offensive eras (to different degrees) that generally waned as their careers progressed.

Ashie62 Jun 04 2013 10:33 AM Re: 1/3 of a season (more or less)

Zvon wrote: If M.Cabrera wins another triple crown I am gonna have to sit up & take notice. That would be historic. Him getting the one was but no one seemed to notice much. If he leads in Avg., hits, runs, &RBIs (like he is now), what does he get? The Quadruple Headband? He gets an extra steroid test.

Ashie62 Jun 04 2013 10:35 AM Re: 1/3 of a season (more or less)

Lefty Specialist wrote: Let's not forget a Mets record of 66-96. I'm guessing Terry is 1/3 of the way toward finding another job within the organization. My preseason guess was 67 wins..I went high..

Edgy MD Jun 04 2013 10:39 AM Re: 1/3 of a season (more or less)

.333 / .465 / .491 // .956 =#fff5c2]Matt Tuiasosopo, in 31 games and 71 plate appearances with Detroit.

Ashie62 Jun 04 2013 11:12 AM Re: 1/3 of a season (more or less)

Paul Goldschmidt?

smg58 Jun 04 2013 11:31 AM Re: 1/3 of a season (more or less)

Ashie62 wrote: Let's not forget a Mets record of 66-96. I'm guessing Terry is 1/3 of the way toward finding another job within the organization. Playing the infield in in the first inning against the Marlins, and then leaving Scott Rice in when he clearly didn't have it with the bases loaded against a righty, lost him a big chunk of my sympathy.

Edgy MD Jun 04 2013 12:15 PM Re: 1/3 of a season (more or less)

Not Paul Godschmidt. And yeah, hanging Rice out to dry like that stunkaroonie.

Ashie62 Jun 04 2013 11:34 PM Re: 1/3 of a season (more or less)

Matt Tuiasosopo

Edgy MD Jun 05 2013 08:36 AM Re: 1/3 of a season (more or less)

Well, gwash, I coded it into the post. But yeah, Tooey has gone kaflooey. And his girlfriends are all real.

Ashie62 Jun 05 2013 08:47 AM Re: 1/3 of a season (more or less)

Yes he has...with the Detroit Tiggers...thats what I call a late bloomer..2003 draft or so...