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Mets Still Broke
batmagadanleadoff Jun 09 2013 06:32 PM |
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I know, there's probably another thread or eight that should logically accommodate this post. And until the forum search engine acts as efficiently as it ought to, I ain't bothering to look.
http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/s ... inter-come
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Ashie62 Jun 09 2013 07:06 PM Re: Mets Still Broke |
I do not agree with Medgal's financial interpretation here...
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batmagadanleadoff Jun 10 2013 09:28 AM Re: Mets Still Broke |
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Why? (Not that the Wilpons seem to have dodged every bullet so far, including the potential H-Bomb Picard lawsuit.
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Ashie62 Jun 10 2013 10:33 AM Re: Mets Still Broke |
I don't believe the big numbers that Megdal quotes to build his "model".. Have the Mets bankers shown him the books?
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batmagadanleadoff Jun 10 2013 11:02 AM Re: Mets Still Broke |
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The Mets bankers may disclose the team's financials only to entities that are authorized to view..... But Megdal, almost certainly, has a confidential informant feeding him a good amount of the team's private financials. Those financials were exposed to a lot of new eyeballs over the past few years as the Mets sought additional financing. Someone likely breached their confidentiality agreement.
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Ashie62 Jun 10 2013 12:24 PM Re: Mets Still Broke |
I want Einhorn and Greenlight Capital to try buying in again...Einhorn almost gored Fred the first time... Then a Greenlight activist Apple Computer can buy the Mets and play at the Ifield..
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vtmet Jun 10 2013 02:29 PM Re: Mets Still Broke |
Mets are broke until they aren't broke anymore...and they can't get unbroke until they ain't broke no more...
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Benjamin Grimm Jun 10 2013 02:41 PM Re: Mets Still Broke |
I guess it matters whether they're broke or not, but I'm not sure how much.
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Edgy MD Jun 10 2013 02:49 PM Re: Mets Still Broke |
You don't see Wheeler as projecting to have an impact? Rafael Montero or Rainy Lara or Jack Leathersich or anybody?
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Benjamin Grimm Jun 10 2013 02:52 PM Re: Mets Still Broke |
I'm quite happy about their pitching prospects. I just think that there are too many needs for position players for there to be a quick (meaning next year) turnaround.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 10 2013 02:56 PM Re: Mets Still Broke |
That's why Ike's troubles are so ... troubling. He was supposed to be part of the solution but became part of the problem. He's just one guy but also, the cleanup hitter. His setback is everyone's setback.
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Ceetar Jun 10 2013 02:59 PM Re: Mets Still Broke |
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Why? What if Davis does get it back together? Duda, after slumping for a bit now, is still 19% better than league average by OPS. That's certainly contributing. Yeah, You'd like .779 OPS to be the low point given his defense, but it seems like it is. Besides he fits the "contributing but we hate him" role on the roster that all Mets fans seem to need. Tejada is so young you could call him up for the first time now and you'd still say he was a young callup, maybe he shakes off whatever stupidity infected him early on and goes back to being an averagish defender with an okay bat at a prime position. If d'Arnaud makes an impact they could simply sign one very good outfielder and have a very good offense even if only some of these things happen. And a very good offense with the potential of this pitching staff is is a team that wins a lot of games. It's not all doom and gloom.
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Benjamin Grimm Jun 10 2013 05:12 PM Re: Mets Still Broke |
So you would keep everyone they have and hope that they get better? I think there are better odds of being a good team if you have guys who start hitting in April instead of July.
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Ceetar Jun 11 2013 05:33 AM Re: Mets Still Broke |
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you said yourself you can't replace all of them, so the point is to look at the guys that actually have potential instead of sweeping them all out with the trash. Marlon Byrd, John Buck fine. 1B is usually easier to fill, but Tejada for instance..where you finding someone even approaching his career numbers at a reasonable rate? Is that available? Or are you going to get stuck with Quintanilla there in the rush to cut out the problems?
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metsmarathon Jun 11 2013 06:20 AM Re: Mets Still Broke |
i like duda a lot, but, unless the metrics are wrong about him, his defense really is so bad that it's detracting from his entire offensive worth.
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Frayed Knot Jun 11 2013 06:37 AM Re: Mets Still Broke |
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(I think it was) Ronnie who pointed out the other day that Duda never looked so smooth and confident on defense as when he, along with the rest of the NYM OF, were in one of their countless innings of no-doubles defense over this past weekend. His point was that, when forced to play extra deep, everything seemed to come easy to Lucas because he was coming in on every hit. It's the going back on balls that seriously flummoxes him meaning that maybe he's just the kind of guy who needs to play deep more often than not. Yeah you'll increase the number of singles dropping in front of you (which will probably still be reflected in one or more of the defensive metrics) but it beats getting beat on doubles & triples all the time. Davey pretty much reached this same conclusion with a young Strawberry back in the day. He never really stated as much except to make occasional references to the fielder's "comfort zone" whenever complaints via the then new media of sports talk radio starting yapping about how the Met OFers all played too deep.
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Ceetar Jun 11 2013 07:03 AM Re: Mets Still Broke |
Well Duda slumped the last two weeks or so, which wouldn't be so bad if someone else picked him up, or hell, maybe he wouldn't be slumping so hard in a better lineup (pressing, not getting as good pitches to hit, etc).
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Edgy MD Jun 11 2013 07:06 AM Re: Mets Still Broke |
I imagine we're all more comfortable outfielders when we get to play deeper. It would be a strategic surrender to have him play generally deep as a rule, but it would be strategic.
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Ceetar Jun 11 2013 07:13 AM Re: Mets Still Broke |
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What I worry about in that regard is something I'm starting to worry about in all regards, and I've noticed some of it in previous years too. They press when it's tight. (and it's certainly tight a lot more often) He goes for the all-in play in a tie game when he should probably just take the hop. Like how all the hitters can be patient and work walks and try to wait for their pitch to hit, then suddenly it's the bottom of the 9th (or 19th) and they're all "OMG I want to go home! SWING AS HARD AS I CAN AT PITCHES EVEN VALDESPIN LETS GO" While I'm not against playing Duda at first if that's how the roster fits best, I'm still not sure it's a net positive, and certainly not something he's suddenly going to be even passable defensively at. Defense at first is less valuable, so he hurts you less, but on the other hand, those balls in the dirt and stretching for the extra inch (although he's got plenty of inches) can be important. I think it'll be worth noting over these next couple of weeks (if Ike's demotion even lasts that long) how Wright, Murphy and even Tejada if/when he returns plays look.
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Frayed Knot Jun 11 2013 07:13 AM Re: Mets Still Broke |
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Yeah, I'm not suggesting a permanent no-doubles strategy; just one which allows him to be a bit deeper than where you'd normally station your LF just so the ratio of balls he needs to come in vs the ones he has to turn on tip a bit in favor of the ones he not only can make but seems comfortable making. And then maybe gradually and with repetitions he moves towards normal positioning. And if 1B becomes open territory (and we actually find ourselves a few ML-capable OFers at the same time) then, Hell Yeah, consider him a candidate.
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Edgy MD Jun 11 2013 07:22 AM Re: Mets Still Broke |
Nobody's suggesting that first is easy, ceetar. Or that he won't have an issue or two there.
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Ceetar Jun 11 2013 07:30 AM Re: Mets Still Broke |
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I know. I just mean that it seems easier to me for the Mets to find someone to play first base (and at a reasonable price) than three outfielders. If Duda fits at first, then fine, sure, I'm not against it, but the idea of it just seems very haphazard and shuffling the deck chairs type stuff. Especially since the problem is offense and Duda + Satin/Turner seems better than Duda+More Cowgill. Rather than try to maximize Duda's value (unless you're looking to trade him I guess) let's try to get contributors in here and if the best way to fill out a lineup is to move Duda to first, then by all means..
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Edgy MD Jun 11 2013 07:34 AM Re: Mets Still Broke |
Well, they currently have a plethora of outfield candidates, and their firstbase candidates are a couple of converted middle infieders.
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TransMonk Jun 11 2013 07:50 AM Re: Mets Still Broke |
I'm not ready to write off 2014 yet.
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batmagadanleadoff Jun 11 2013 10:37 AM Re: Mets Still Broke |
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Excerpt from Adam Rubin's Morning Briefing ... Megdal's latest piece cited by ESPN ...
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/p ... roll-in-14
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Ashie62 Jun 11 2013 10:37 AM Re: Mets Still Broke |
Its going to be a long haul with alot of moving parts and changing faces..
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Edgy MD Jun 11 2013 11:00 AM Re: Mets Still Broke |
It always is.
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batmagadanleadoff Jun 12 2013 02:23 PM Re: Mets Still Broke |
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Sandy Alderson's spending plans don't add up
http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/s ... t-headline ___________ I'm on Sandy's side. My guess is that he doesn't have anywhere near the autonomy he insisted on having in order to take the GM position. Sandy's in a high stakes poker game against formidable card pros and he's not even holding a pair of deuces.
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batmagadanleadoff Jun 14 2013 11:27 AM Re: Mets Still Broke |
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The Mets are Still Broke. Financially Broke. Operatively Broken. Spiritually Broken. The State of the Mets by Ben Berkon, for Yahoo! Quotes from Greg Prince, Howie Megdal, and other familiar Mets bloggers.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/york-mets- ... 00689.html
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 14 2013 12:07 PM Re: Mets Still Broke |
What college paper was that originally published in I wonder
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Swan Swan H Jun 14 2013 12:14 PM Re: Mets Still Broke |
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Edgy MD Jun 14 2013 12:18 PM Re: Mets Still Broke |
I dunno. Right from the top I learned something. Dinosaurs were mostly carnivores or herbivores. Huh.
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Ashie62 Jun 14 2013 02:08 PM Re: Mets Still Broke |
What is Medgal's fucking problem..He really really needs a job...
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Zvon Jun 14 2013 02:19 PM Re: Mets Still Broke |
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I'd settle for a team that I think can win.
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Ceetar Jun 14 2013 02:24 PM Re: Mets Still Broke |
I'll settle fora team that simply wins, as I suspect most Mets fans aren't going to believe it until well after they see it.
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Edgy MD Jun 14 2013 02:26 PM Re: Mets Still Broke |
Yeah, but the article and the comment by "die hard Mets fan Matt Kaufman" offers less insight than a cab driver. Yes, fans prefer good teams. Yes, good teams draw more. No, the economy isn't primarily what's keeping people away from Citi Field.
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batmagadanleadoff Jul 15 2013 02:58 PM Re: Mets Still Broke |
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Mets' ballpark revenue from Citi Field dips for 3rd straight year
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ ... -1.5682633
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batmagadanleadoff Jul 15 2013 10:13 PM Re: Mets Still Broke |
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Jeff Wilpon: Mets will have higher payroll for 2014 season after big contracts come off books
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ ... -1.5698883
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Vic Sage Jul 16 2013 08:40 AM Re: Mets Still Broke |
blah blah blah buy tickets blah blah blah
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Ceetar Jul 16 2013 09:21 AM Re: Mets Still Broke |
you know what's never asked when people repost these Bonilla stories year after year?
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metirish Jul 16 2013 09:22 AM Re: Mets Still Broke |
No wonder his daughter goes to the Sorbonne.
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metirish Jul 16 2013 09:30 AM Re: Mets Still Broke |
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I remember reading an article from before where BB was very worried that with the Madoff thing would the Mets be able to pay him, his money person assured him that yes he wold get his money.....but to the bankruptcy, that's an interesting question, sure he worries about that too......Sterling is doing great so he's safe I guess.
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G-Fafif Jul 16 2013 09:35 AM Re: Mets Still Broke |
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Fred extols in the Times.
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Edgy MD Jul 16 2013 09:40 AM Re: Mets Still Broke |
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Well, it's both foolish and against the rules to announce their targets before they are available. Besides, spending can mean spending in the free-agent market, but it can also mean trading for good players that already have large contracts, or trading and signing. It can also mean being more aggressive with the next Cuban defector or Japanese gyroman. People who will be available include I dunno, Robinson Cano, Jarrod Saltalamacchia, A.J. Pierzynski, Carlos Voltran, Shin-Soo Choo, Nate McLouth, Luke Scott, probably what's left of Roy Halladay, Josh Johnson, I dunno. I hear that Lincecum guy is good. We can even get Olvier Perez back. And there's the always-desirable Delmon Young.
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Frayed Knot Jul 16 2013 09:55 AM Re: Mets Still Broke |
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But how else are they going to SHOW US THE PLAN!!!!? I used to get a kick out of the discussions on the old MoFo that would break out following each GM appearance on WFAN, inevitably starting with the complaint that, "he didn't tell us anything!", as if they expected him to make a public pre-announcement along the lines of: 'yeah, after we release everyone on the squad who's not paying well right now we'll be dealing Smith & Jones to the _______ next week for X. Y, & Z, all of which will set us up to sign Johnson & Perez in this winter's FA market'.
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soupcan Jul 16 2013 10:00 AM Re: Mets Still Broke |
I wasn't really asking specifically. I just wasn't that aware of who was going to be available via FA this off-season.
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batmagadanleadoff Jul 16 2013 10:10 AM Re: Mets Still Broke |
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Mets – Willets Point Jul 16 2013 10:27 AM Re: Mets Still Broke |
I didn't know bml had animation skills.
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Mets – Willets Point Jul 16 2013 10:27 AM Re: Mets Still Broke |
I didn't know bml had animation skills.
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batmagadanleadoff Jul 18 2013 11:01 AM Re: Mets Still Broke |
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I caught this quote when I first read the NYT piece on eff Wilpon's latest State of the Mets Finances MetSpeak and thought to myself, that it reads as if eff is laying all of the responsibility for the team's drastically lowered payroll on Sandy the Slave GM. Not surprisingly, H, Megdal is the only writer who picks up on that quote, and spins it into an entire piece: Mets owners blame their stinginess, bafflingly, on the general manager By Howard Megdal 11:19 am Jul. 18, 2013
http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/s ... al-manager
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batmagadanleadoff Jul 18 2013 11:59 AM Re: Mets Still Broke |
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dgwphotography Jul 18 2013 01:15 PM Re: Mets Still Broke |
Sorry, but I'm of the belief that you can tell that a Wilpon is lying because his mouth is moving.
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MFS62 Jul 18 2013 01:22 PM Re: Mets Still Broke |
I would love to see a press conference next year, held by a power-hitting free agent outfielder, during which he says, "Sandy offered me a great contract. I was ready to sign with the Mets, but he called back a few minutes later and told me ownership nixed it".
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Edgy MD Jul 18 2013 01:25 PM Re: Mets Still Broke |
Put me down as not wanting to see that.
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Ceetar Jul 18 2013 01:33 PM Re: Mets Still Broke |
It's felt pretty likely to me that the Wilpons are not adding their own money to the team, but everything within the actual budget of the Mets is Sandy's call. If he can make something work within the revenue stream the Mets generate, then fine. If not, he knows better than to ask Fred and Jeff for an outlay of cash at this point above and beyond what the Mets can cover themselves.
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batmagadanleadoff Jul 18 2013 03:35 PM Re: Mets Still Broke |
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But was that the point? eff n Jeff can't lay it on Sandy for not spending in excess of a budget that they, eff and Jeff, set.
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dgwphotography Jul 18 2013 05:24 PM Re: Mets Still Broke |
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Remember Sandy's changing budget from a few years ago, and then surprised that the bloggers kept track?
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