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IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

G-Fafif Jun 22 2013 06:35 PM

Descendants of Whiz Kids to choke on their cheesesteaks, courtesy of brilliant, young Matt Harvey.

G-Fafif Jun 23 2013 09:20 AM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Young CF Murphy 2B Wright 3B Byrd RF Satin 1B Buck C Lagares CF Quintanilla SS Harvey P Happiest of Harvey Days!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 23 2013 09:45 AM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

I want Downtown Brown. Awful lot of Byrd lately.

Ashie62 Jun 23 2013 09:55 AM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Sell Byrd at the deadline and you may get your wish..

batmagadanleadoff Jun 23 2013 11:29 AM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Zvon Jun 23 2013 11:38 AM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Zvon Jun 23 2013 11:39 AM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

I'm really liking this Young trade. With him and Lagares out there its like we have a whole new engine under the hood.

Zvon Jun 23 2013 11:49 AM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Nice. Young singles. Murph singles. Wrights sac fly gets Young to third, and he scores on a Byrdy sac fly. That's workin it. 1-0 Mets.

Edgy MD Jun 23 2013 11:53 AM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I want Downtown Brown. Awful lot of Byrd lately. I'm hoping for both. I don't see where Eric Young has to be an everyday starter.

Zvon Jun 23 2013 11:57 AM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Edgy MD wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I want Downtown Brown. Awful lot of Byrd lately. I'm hoping for both. I don't see where Eric Young has to be an everyday starter. I think Young has the potential to be just what we need in the outfield and in the lineup. I'll be very surprised if Byrd is with us after the trade deadline. Someones gotta need what he can bring.

Edgy MD Jun 23 2013 12:02 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

All our outfielders bring something to the table. Where's Matt Badigan? I don't see any Kormans?

Edgy MD Jun 23 2013 12:07 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Brown gets sat down. Young will be similarly rung.

Edgy MD Jun 23 2013 12:08 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

That's what we need from Marlon Byrd.

Zvon Jun 23 2013 12:09 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

All our outfielders bring something to the table. Where's Matt Badigan? I don't see any Kormans? He'll catch up. I hope. It's not Harvey Day w/o BatMags :( Howard tells Harvey " No, not in my house". And thats a fine catch by Byrd on the rail.

Zvon Jun 23 2013 12:25 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Wright just misses one. Opp field double.

Zvon Jun 23 2013 12:28 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

We have a light rain falling :(

Zvon Jun 23 2013 12:43 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Harvey gets out of a pickle. GJ.

Zvon Jun 23 2013 12:45 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

WOW!!!! Ive never seen that. Revere drops a fly on the exchange. Lagares gets to third!

Zvon Jun 23 2013 12:48 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

He clearly caught it. Had possession for like 2 seconds. But mishandles it taking the ball from his glove and dropped it. I've never seen it happen quite like that. Ha! Revere sucks! Though technically the rule says he did not complete the play.

Zvon Jun 23 2013 12:51 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

DOUBLES IN LAGS!

Zvon Jun 23 2013 12:55 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

And Young doubles in Harvey. Nice. And Wright doubles Young home. WOOT!

Zvon Jun 23 2013 12:57 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

All started with that interesting call on the Revere fly. 4-0 Matts

Edgy MD Jun 23 2013 12:57 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Delmon Young is number 3. I know this because I've been looking at his back most of this inning.

Zvon Jun 23 2013 01:01 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

A 6 pitch inning by Harvey.

Edgy MD Jun 23 2013 01:07 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

How did this guy lose 10 in the minors? --- Phillies PbP Guy Tom McCarthy

Frayed Knot Jun 23 2013 01:07 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Zvon wrote: He clearly caught it. Had possession for like 2 seconds. But mishandles it taking the ball from his glove and dropped it. I've never seen it happen quite like that. Ha! Revere sucks! Though technically the rule says he did not complete the play. It always seemed odd to me that that rule is enforced more on outfielders than anywhere else. And even w/OFers it's rare. I have seen it, just not that often (probably 3 or 4 times in my life).

Zvon Jun 23 2013 01:09 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Lagares slugs our 5th double of the game! 5-0 Matts!

Frayed Knot Jun 23 2013 01:11 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Edgy MD wrote: How did this guy lose 10 in the minors? --- Phillies PbP Guy Tom McCarthy That's why forecasting prospects, even as lower lower pros much less as amateurs, is so tough. Harvey, for whatever reason(s), is simply a better pitcher at the ML level than he ever was before.

Zvon Jun 23 2013 01:12 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Frayed Knot wrote: Zvon wrote: He clearly caught it. Had possession for like 2 seconds. But mishandles it taking the ball from his glove and dropped it. I've never seen it happen quite like that. Ha! Revere sucks! Though technically the rule says he did not complete the play. It always seemed odd to me that that rule is enforced more on outfielders than anywhere else. And even w/OFers it's rare. I have seen it, just not that often (probably 3 or 4 times in my life). Watching it live I really thought he completed the play. Even after he dropped it I thought he had it long enough. But the rule does say transfer glove to hand. Yes, I was surprised at this call. Q sacs Buck for 6-0

Edgy MD Jun 23 2013 01:19 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Harvey tried to enter the Peanuts universe and undress Savery with a line drive. I'm glad this Lannan isn't as good as the Lannan who used to stymie us with Washington.

Zvon Jun 23 2013 01:20 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Raining harder now. 6th inning.

Edgy MD Jun 23 2013 01:21 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Hitting Harvey in the rain can't be comfortable.

Zvon Jun 23 2013 01:23 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Edgy MD wrote: Hitting Harvey in the rain can't be comfortable. Just standing in the box against him in grippery slippery rain must be scary. For us. Utley has no fear and man he still can get down that line.

Edgy MD Jun 23 2013 01:26 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Gots to think his day is done. One out in the seventh and the tarps roll out.

Zvon Jun 23 2013 01:27 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

The tarp comes out.

Nymr83 Jun 23 2013 01:27 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Darling "this [the rain delay] might knock Harvey out" it HAD BETTER knock Harvey out... in a 6-0 game what point would there be in marching your young ace out there again after he takes a seat for so long? bring on the shitpen!

Edgy MD Jun 23 2013 01:31 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Impressed Savery got up to make that play on the liner by Harvey. Here's a screencap I got of the play:

Edgy MD Jun 23 2013 01:32 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Nymr83 wrote: it HAD BETTER knock Harvey out... in a 6-0 game what point would there be in marching your young ace out there again after he takes a seat for so long? bring on the shitpen! Wow, you sell it so sweetly.

Zvon Jun 23 2013 01:45 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Darling "this [the rain delay] might knock Harvey out" it HAD BETTER knock Harvey out... in a 6-0 game what point would there be in marching your young ace out there again after he takes a seat for so long? bring on the shitpen! Agreed #83 Impressed Savery got up to make that play on the liner by Harvey. Here's a screencap I got of the play: Better than any image I would have come up with. Very accurate depiction.

Zvon Jun 23 2013 01:45 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Games starting up again. hmmm.

Edgy MD Jun 23 2013 01:47 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Harvey out. Hawkins warming. Mets extra-basin' some more.

Edgy MD Jun 23 2013 01:48 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

And some more.

Zvon Jun 23 2013 01:49 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Wright is slammin! Old TriBOOM image Ill run out one last time.

Zvon Jun 23 2013 01:50 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

And Byrd doubles in Wright. This is fun. Baseball is awesome again.

Frayed Knot Jun 23 2013 01:52 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Byrd & Young certainly doing their best to answer those who want them out of the line-up.

Zvon Jun 23 2013 01:57 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Hawkins on to take charge.

Zvon Jun 23 2013 02:08 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Some no name first appearance rook Ks the side.

Zvon Jun 23 2013 02:21 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Wow. What a day for the Capt.

Frayed Knot Jun 23 2013 02:22 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Nice cap to the afternoon, but that was a classic CBP-HR Not sure that's out anywhere else except Houston.

Nymr83 Jun 23 2013 02:23 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Wright homers, Byrd doubles, 9 extra-base hits for the Mets!

Zvon Jun 23 2013 02:25 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Frayed Knot wrote: Nice cap to the afternoon, but that was a classic CBP-HR Not sure that's out anywhere else except Houston. Yea, looked like he one handed it. Still, squarin' up the ball all day. I love it.

Frayed Knot Jun 23 2013 02:28 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

OK, so Revere caught that last out of the 9th and simply trotted in with the ball. Obviously at some point it becomes an out even though it doesn't transfer to his bare hand. I mean, if he were to drop it out of his glove and onto the mound while trotting past would the ump declare it a 'no catch'? I don't think so. That's why it always struck me as an odd bit a rule book minutia.

smg58 Jun 23 2013 02:30 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Unusual double play when Rollins stopped between first and second, but Murphy handled it perfectly and we're one out away.

Zvon Jun 23 2013 02:31 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Frayed Knot wrote: OK, so Revere caught that last out of the 9th and simply trotted in with the ball. Obviously at some point it becomes an out even though it doesn't transfer to his bare hand. I mean, if he were to drop it out of his glove and onto the mound while trotting past would the ump declare it a 'no catch'? I don't think so. That's why it always struck me as an odd bit a rule book minutia. It was an ump getting fancy with the rules, no doubt. If that call was against us (our fielder dropping it) I would have went ballistic.

themetfairy Jun 23 2013 02:34 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Books!

Zvon Jun 23 2013 02:35 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Very good game. Harvey wins. Wright rocks. Mets roll.

Frayed Knot Jun 23 2013 02:48 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Zvon wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: OK, so Revere caught that last out of the 9th and simply trotted in with the ball. Obviously at some point it becomes an out even though it doesn't transfer to his bare hand. I mean, if he were to drop it out of his glove and onto the mound while trotting past would the ump declare it a 'no catch'? I don't think so. That's why it always struck me as an odd bit a rule book minutia. It was an ump getting fancy with the rules, no doubt. If that call was against us (our fielder dropping it) I would have went ballistic. But it's the right call even if an odd one -- and, yeah, I've seen it go against the Mets as well. Just pointing out that there's a practical limit to how long you can enforce the 'clean transfer' thing.

Frayed Knot Jun 23 2013 02:48 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Zvon wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: Nice cap to the afternoon, but that was a classic CBP-HR Not sure that's out anywhere else except Houston. Yea, looked like he one handed it. Still, squarin' up the ball all day. I love it. It must be someone's turn to play the Brown Dirt Cowboy today because the captain was fantastic.

Zvon Jun 23 2013 02:54 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Frayed Knot wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: Nice cap to the afternoon, but that was a classic CBP-HR Not sure that's out anywhere else except Houston. Yea, looked like he one handed it. Still, squarin' up the ball all day. I love it. It must be someone's turn to play the Brown Dirt Cowboy today because the captain was fantastic. This may be one of the most anticipated albums in my life. It wasn't Yellow Brick Road great but it did not disappoint.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 23 2013 03:08 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Frayed Knot wrote: But it's the right call even if an odd one -- and, yeah, I've seen it go against the Mets as well. Just pointing out that there's a practical limit to how long you can enforce the 'clean transfer' thing. I think the thing here is that the glove hand was still in its follow-through motion after catching the ball when the ball rolled out. So even though there was a moment or two where the ball was solidly grasped in his glove, it's hard to argue that he ever had "control" of the ball. I don't know exactly how the rule is worded, but I think the spirit of the rule should be whether the fielder had control of the ball, where he could decide what he wanted to do with it; throw it to the infield, toss it into the stands, wipe his nose with it, lick it, whatever. Revere never really had that possession.

Zvon Jun 23 2013 03:18 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: But it's the right call even if an odd one -- and, yeah, I've seen it go against the Mets as well. Just pointing out that there's a practical limit to how long you can enforce the 'clean transfer' thing. I think the thing here is that the glove hand was still in its follow-through motion after catching the ball when the ball rolled out. So even though there was a moment or two where the ball was solidly grasped in his glove, it's hard to argue that he ever had "control" of the ball. I don't know exactly how the rule is worded, but I think the spirit of the rule should be whether the fielder had control of the ball, where he could decide what he wanted to do with it; throw it to the infield, toss it into the stands, wipe his nose with it, lick it, whatever. Revere never really had that possession. For the Mets, I love the call. Against the Mets, there would be a smoldering crater where my TV is. It was a judgement call and I personally thought Revere caught it . If Lagares was initially ruled out we wouldn't have given it another thought. The rule about transferring/control does give an ump the option to make that call. And he made it. Phils post game were all over this. Ha! Phils post game sucks.

Edgy MD Jun 23 2013 03:31 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Frayed Knot wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: Nice cap to the afternoon, but that was a classic CBP-HR Not sure that's out anywhere else except Houston. Yea, looked like he one handed it. Still, squarin' up the ball all day. I love it. It must be someone's turn to play the Brown Dirt Cowboy today because the captain was fantastic. My side hurts! My shoulder hurts! They kicked me off the team! Dude, CANADA!

dinosaur jesus Jun 23 2013 03:33 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Even if the umpire wasn't strictly wrong, it was still a weird call to make. The rule doesn't actually say that the ball has to be transferred to his hand cleanly. It says, "If the fielder has made the catch and drops the ball while in the act of making a throw following the catch, the ball shall be adjudged to have been caught. In establishing the validity of the catch, the fielder shall hold the ball long enough to prove that he has complete control of the ball and that his release of the ball is voluntary and intentional." Revere wasn't in the act of throwing, so the first part of that doesn't apply. The question is whether he had complete control before he released it, and I think it's pretty clear that he did. I'm glad it turned out to be not that important, except maybe to the Phillies' feeling of the world being against them, which I'm all in favor of. In favor of their feeling that way, that is, and in favor of the world actually being against them. Stick it to those Phils, world.

Edgy MD Jun 23 2013 03:35 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

I got another vidcap here. Harvey was kind of a big baby about the rain delay. Looks a little like Savery from this angle, too.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 23 2013 03:53 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

dinosaur jesus wrote: The question is whether he had complete control before he released it, and I think it's pretty clear that he did. I don't think he did. I think the ball was briefly grasped firmly in the glove, but it rolled out before he completed the motion of catching the ball. I say it was the correct call. (I say that, again, without having read the rule. Doing so might change my opinion.)

Ceetar Jun 23 2013 04:53 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

I think the call was ultimately wrong with no runners on. Once he goes to make a transfer, in any way, the ball is caught and the play is over because there is no need to make a throw. But with a runner on, the transfer is part of the action that needs to happen so you can conceivably argue he could be trying to hurry and drop it because he's trying to do two things catch and transfer to be able to throw. With no one on, all he's trying to do is catch the ball. But whatever, a billion calls go against the Mets including ones where I would've sworn it was a catch and transfer thing and it was ruled a drop.

Zvon Jun 23 2013 05:28 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Ceetar wrote: I think the call was ultimately wrong with no runners on. Once he goes to make a transfer, in any way, the ball is caught and the play is over because there is no need to make a throw. But with a runner on, the transfer is part of the action that needs to happen so you can conceivably argue he could be trying to hurry and drop it because he's trying to do two things catch and transfer to be able to throw. With no one on, all he's trying to do is catch the ball. This^. I love when someone saves me from typing. I hat typing. I will type more to say that IMO the ball was secure in his glove, if only for seconds. Enough seconds? In real time I thought so.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 23 2013 07:28 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

The important thing was that we kicked the shit out of the Phillies in this series, following a series in which we played considerably better than the Braves. Sure we might be 7-1 on this trip already but 5-3 has been pretty convincing, and if we keep this up for the next 10 weeks straight, we'll be right there for a play-in wild card. Certainly the best 7 days for this team since the earliest days of the year.

Frayed Knot Jun 23 2013 08:09 PM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

Just keep winning series - especially against the other NL East squads. Treat this somewhat odd two-in-Chicago/one-in-Denver stretch as if it's one series and take at least two of them, then we'll be riding high in time to host the not-very-good Nationals next weekend (Jayson Werth left today's game limping).

Edgy MD Jun 24 2013 05:52 AM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

The vicissitudes of baseball dictate that a team that should win/should have won seven of eight will more likely go 5-3, where the gravitational pull of the mean is stronger than in the NBA or NFL. Nonetheless, I find myself a little frustrated that they didn't hit the higher figure. They dug a big hole and I guess I'm a little impatient to see them climb out of it.

Frayed Knot Jun 24 2013 07:33 AM Re: IGT 6/23/2013: NYM @ PHI -- With Whiz

btw, in yesterday's Tigers/Sawx game, the exact same dropped-on-the-transfer call was made on Boston OFer Daniel Nava. So a call you might see once a decade comes up twice in one day. "I tell you Suzyn, you just can't predict baseball"