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NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Nymr83 Jun 21 2013 09:39 AM

Patriots TE Aaron Hernandez is looking less innocent than OJ right now. A man last seen with him is dead. he intentionally smashed up his own home security system (video footage), had a cleaning crew at his house on Monday, and turned over his smashed up cellphone to police. right now there is a warrant out for him on an obstruction of justice charge. On a related note (related by football, not crime) Rob Gronkowski is having more surgery... The Patriots love their 2 tight end sets and both starters could miss significant time... is it TEBOW TIME at Tight End in New England??

Edgy MD Jun 21 2013 09:50 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

It's just surreal that helicopters end up following him around town in his white SUV.

Swan Swan H Jun 21 2013 10:13 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Edgy MD wrote: It's just surreal that helicopters end up following him around town in his white SUV. Someone tweeted yesterday that the only reason the Pats signed Tebow was so they'd have a white Bronco handy.

Frayed Knot Jun 21 2013 11:54 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Someone tweeted yesterday that the only reason the Pats signed Tebow was so they'd have a white Bronco handy. Now I don't care who you are, THAT'S funny. Of course obstruction of justice in a murder puts you a great risk with the NFL and the media. Last player who pleaded guilty of that was punished by being celebrated as the face of the sport.

Mets – Willets Point Jun 21 2013 12:13 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Reminds me of nearly 20-year old joke: "Did you hear John Elway is going to be in the tv movie about O.J.? He's playing the slow, white Bronco."

Edgy MD Jun 21 2013 12:40 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Frayed Knot wrote: Someone tweeted yesterday that the only reason the Pats signed Tebow was so they'd have a white Bronco handy. Now I don't care who you are, THAT'S funny. Of course obstruction of justice in a murder puts you a great risk with the NFL and the media. Last player who pleaded guilty of that was punished by being celebrated as the face of the sport. Somebody at Deadspin was going nuts about obstruction of justice being a bullshit charge, that we have every right to destroy evidence that might incriminate us.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 21 2013 01:31 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Someone tweeted yesterday that the only reason the Pats signed Tebow was so they'd have a white Bronco handy. Now I don't care who you are, THAT'S funny. Of course obstruction of justice in a murder puts you a great risk with the NFL and the media. Last player who pleaded guilty of that was punished by being celebrated as the face of the sport. Somebody at Deadspin was going nuts about obstruction of justice being a bullshit charge, that we have every right to destroy evidence that might incriminate us. And Ricky Otero, the former shortest Met ever, disagrees: http://deadspin.com/reports-warrant-iss ... -529241922

Ceetar Jun 21 2013 02:11 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Doesn't it depend on if it's your own evidence or not? I mean, can't you destroy your own shirt with blood on it whether or not it was possibly used in a crime? Unless someone specifically tells you not to touch it it's part of evidence or whatever? Otherwise doesn't it sorta assume guilt on the party of that person, which is certainly not innocent until proven guilty? It seems awfully gray area. I mean, couldn't you get someone on wiping prints, washing a shirt? But I guess it's probably like the suicide thing..only a crime if it doesn't work.

Edgy MD Jun 21 2013 02:19 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Sure, and OJ can say he just felt like taking a trip to Mexico. That's his own business.

Ceetar Jun 21 2013 02:31 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

I'm no expert on this. Was OJ charged and convicted of resisting arrest or whatever that trip was considered?

MFS62 Jun 22 2013 04:49 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

If they want evidence, why don't they just ask Belichek? He had someone video the entire incident. Later

Frayed Knot Jun 24 2013 05:26 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

So was this Hernandez guy a big deal prior to this whole dead acquaintance thing, or is he mostly famous on account of it? I never heard of the guy until last week sometime but then again I'm not that big an NFL guy.

MFS62 Jun 24 2013 09:42 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Frayed Knot wrote: So was this Hernandez guy a big deal prior to this whole dead acquaintance thing, or is he mostly famous on account of it? I never heard of the guy until last week sometime but then again I'm not that big an NFL guy. Yep - He and Gronkowski (currently out with back injury) form arguably one of the best tight end duos in the league. They are a key part of the Patriots' offense. Later

Frayed Knot Jun 25 2013 07:39 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

I figured he must be or else the national media wouldn't be paying this much attention to the guy. If he were some scrub there'd just be some minor mention of a football player being linked to a capital crime in the agate type somewhere and everyone would move on except for minor local interest as to which cog would fill in his spot.

TransMonk Jun 25 2013 07:52 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Being on the Patriots helped his reputation as a TE before all of this stuff started. He is on the team with arguably the best QB and coach in the league. On any other team, his skills would make him an average TE. He's played three years with one Pro Bowl (2011).

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 25 2013 08:30 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

So you wouldn't have traded Finley for him in a heartbeat, pre-murder-investigation?

MFS62 Jun 25 2013 08:41 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Hernandez is one tough dude. If he does go to prison, he might not have enough bare skin available for his prison tat. Later

TransMonk Jun 25 2013 09:40 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: So you wouldn't have traded Finley for him in a heartbeat, pre-murder-investigation? I'm not a Packer fan - but I would put Hernandez about on par with Finley...maybe a big above. But, Finley is (or was) always the third or fourth best receiving option on the field for the Packers, though. In a more traditional offense, I think Finley would come close to Hernandez's stats. I'm not a big Finley supporter - lots of drops. I guess for the money, yeah, I'd theoretically give Hernandez a go over Finley on an Aaron Rogers led team.

Frayed Knot Jun 25 2013 10:24 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

TransMonk wrote: Being on the Patriots helped his reputation as a TE before all of this stuff started. He is on the team with arguably the best QB and coach in the league. On any other team, his skills would make him an average TE. He's played three years with one Pro Bowl (2011). Yeah, I figured that the whole Patriots - Brady - Belichek - Gronkowski and, for good measure, TEBOW angle is part of what's pumping this up. Hernandez is one tough dude. If he does go to prison, he might not have enough bare skin available for his prison tat. Number of tats does not equal tough

TransMonk Jun 26 2013 11:58 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Hernandez arrested and cut from the Patriots. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: So you wouldn't have traded Finley for him in a heartbeat, pre-murder-investigation? Right on cue...

Frayed Knot Jun 26 2013 12:09 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

TransMonk wrote: Hernandez arrested and cut from the Patriots. Sucks when the criminal you drafted for your team turns out to be a criminal and you have to go and release him all on account of being led away in handcuffs. Hate when that happens.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 26 2013 12:17 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Some other dick from the Browns was arrested on murder charges today for beating a guy outside a strip club.

Ceetar Jun 26 2013 12:24 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Some other dick from the Browns was arrested on murder charges today for beating a guy outside a strip club. roughly 1 NFL arrest every four days since the Super Bowl right?

Edgy MD Jun 26 2013 12:31 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Boom. Thirty-three arrests in 2013, through June 10.

Ceetar Jun 26 2013 12:37 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Edgy MD wrote: Boom. Thirty-three arrests in 2013, through June 10. only through June 10th, what, they couldn't keep up with the volume? Titus Young, three times in one week. Arrested for DWI and then tries to steal his car back. And then for breaking into a house? Don't they pay him? The Jets released two guys for getting caught with pot? They still arrest people for that?

Nymr83 Jun 26 2013 12:51 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

MURDER charges already! Thought today would just be obstruction or something to jail him while they investigate... Did they find the gun??

Ashie62 Jun 26 2013 06:50 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

No gun yet...Probably buried in that industrial park like a needle in a haystack by a Henandez associate. The idea seems to be Hernandez was upset by the company this dude was keeping.. What I don't get is Hernandez trashes his home security system, cell phone and cleans the joint and thinks that will deflect attention.. The ONLY time that ever has worked was by Walt and Jesse in Breaking Bad seson 3 when Gale ws murdered..

MFS62 Jun 26 2013 09:23 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

First he's released by the Pats, then he is arrested and sent to prison without bail. I don't think he will be a tight end aymore. Later

TransMonk Jun 27 2013 07:16 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

MFS62 wrote: tight end Hehhehheh.

Farmer Ted Jun 27 2013 11:35 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

He needs to retain Ray Lewis as an adviser.

smg58 Jun 27 2013 01:52 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

This is out of Lewis' league. It may even be out of OJ Simpson's league. If things really are what they appear to be, Hernandez has basically been a psychopath hiding in plain sight.

Swan Swan H Jun 30 2013 02:06 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Nymr83 Jul 01 2013 11:26 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

I think its now 33 arrests since the Superbowl. Titus Young has 3 all by himself!

Mets – Willets Point Jul 01 2013 01:46 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

There is no NFL crime wave.

Nymr83 Jul 01 2013 08:52 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Mets – Willets Point wrote: There is no NFL crime wave. A pretty stupid article that takes a bunch of jabs at a bunch of things unrelated to the NFL from George Zimmerman to society as a whole. As for the part where he actually bothers with numbers, I don't think a comparison to the general population is at all relevant. How does the NFL compare to the other sports leagues? I'm thinking pretty poorly.

MFS62 Jul 01 2013 09:26 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Nymr83 wrote: Mets – Willets Point wrote: There is no NFL crime wave. A pretty stupid article that takes a bunch of jabs at a bunch of things unrelated to the NFL from George Zimmerman to society as a whole. As for the part where he actually bothers with numbers, I don't think a comparison to the general population is at all relevant. How does the NFL compare to the other sports leagues? I'm thinking pretty poorly. As per ESPN radio last week, the NFL had more arrests in the same time period than the other three (MLB, NHL, NBA) combined. Later

Ceetar Jul 02 2013 07:14 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Nymr83 wrote: Mets – Willets Point wrote: There is no NFL crime wave. A pretty stupid article that takes a bunch of jabs at a bunch of things unrelated to the NFL from George Zimmerman to society as a whole. As for the part where he actually bothers with numbers, I don't think a comparison to the general population is at all relevant. How does the NFL compare to the other sports leagues? I'm thinking pretty poorly. And how does it compare with other people in their income bracket? Sure, they're not all violent crimes, doesn't mean they're not horrible crimes. (And some aren't, sure)

Frayed Knot Jul 02 2013 07:32 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Not just those in their income bracket but, hell, just having a steady income at all should reduce the pct of arrests as should the fact that these guys graduated from college (or at least "graduated" from college, or at least attended college). The other problem is that the NFL certainly doesn't shy away from drafting players who have problems or records before ever getting to their league; nor does college ball (sometimes to the point of emphasizing that their colors fit in with certain gang affiliations) so there's a kind of feeder system that's funneling would-be criminals to the league*. I like also how the article simply starts off with the assumption that it can only be racism behind this association of players with thug tendancies even to the point where the author has to call it prejudice against "black and brown" players since Hernandez isn't black (I'm not even sure I'd call him brown but I guess the Spanish surname serves as a useful catch-all). * There was a strange article in the NY Times a couple days ago saying how the instant cutting of Hernandez was an example of "the Patriot way" of not putting up with what football coach-speak tends to call "distractions" - as if the Patriots had no hand in hiring him in the first place. On the other hand I like Jason Whitlock's take today.

Edgy MD Jul 02 2013 07:52 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

That guy played the racism card over and over and over, didn't he?

Edgy MD Jul 02 2013 08:06 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Frayed Knot wrote: On the other hand I like Jason Whitlock's take today. He kinda makes his culture-is-sick case a little more convincingly than the drug-prohibition-is-to-blame case, in which he restates the thesis statement every three paragraphs but doesn't get around to elaborating on until the end. And then he comes up with the strange statement "Proving we learn nothing from our history, drug prohibition has legitimized the drug dealer the same way alcohol prohibition legitimized bootleggers (Joseph Kennedy)." That kind of runs against his notion that hip-hop scoundrels and drug-slingers have achieved status in our culture that athletes used to have exclusive right to. If prohibition and the drug war are to blame, then why didn't alcohol prohibition elevate Al Capone to the same level. And if it did, doesn't that trash the argument of the better times of Babe Ruth? The Kennedy thing just seems to be a ridiculous attempt to qualify his argument, as evidence of J.P Kennedy-as-a-bootlegger being more than rumor is specious at best, and if he was, he certainly wasn't openly flaunting it and achieving cultural icon status based on it.

Mets – Willets Point Jul 02 2013 09:37 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Edgy MD wrote: That guy played the racism card over and over and over, didn't he? Well when the underlying message of most mainstream media reporting is "The niggers and spics are going to rob us, kill us, and rape our beautiful white women" it's hard not to notice the racism.

Edgy MD Jul 02 2013 10:07 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

That's not exactly a fair assessment of any of the coverage of this guy that I've seen. If he sees that, he should specifically call it out.

Frayed Knot Jul 02 2013 10:15 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Edgy MD wrote: The Kennedy thing just seems to be a ridiculous attempt to qualify his argument, as evidence of J.P Kennedy-as-a-bootlegger being more than rumor is specious at best, and if he was, he certainly wasn't openly flaunting it and achieving cultural icon status based on it. In fact there's no evidence that Joseph P was involved in prohibition-era bootlegging. Daniel Okrent, in his prohibition book from a couple years back, devoted a mini chapter specifically to dispelling those rumors. What he (Kennedy) did do was the same thing that most rich folks did in those days and that was to use the year run-up to the beginning of the booze ban taking effect to stock up on a several year supply so that the buying ban wouldn't affect them.

Nymr83 Jul 02 2013 11:12 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Edgy MD wrote: That's not exactly a fair assessment of any of the coverage of this guy that I've seen. If he sees that, he should specifically call it out. But its not there to see, its just a guy with an agenda trying to fit this story to his agenda by tacking on these "racist" angles that really don't exist. * There was a strange article in the NY Times a couple days ago saying how the instant cutting of Hernandez was an example of "the Patriot way" of not putting up with what football coach-speak tends to call "distractions" - as if the Patriots had no hand in hiring him in the first place. I've heard a lot of the "Patriot way" stuff, its crap imo. If they'd cut him over an obstruction charge or a weapons charge maybe they would deserve a little "credit" for putting morality ahead of football on charges that he might have been able to beat or at least play through, but that is likely not the case. Ross Tucker (former NFL player and Patriot, currently host of the Ross Tucker Football Podcast which I strongly recommend, free at sportsusamedia.com) says that every NFL team has a security department and those guys are former fbi/local/state police, they are clued in to whats going on and someone tipped the Patriots off that a murder charge was coming that morning and so they cut him. It doesn't take 'balls', morals, convictions, or anything else really to cut a guy who is charged with a murder that evidence they've all heard about seems to show he committed. it just takes a bit of common sense and I don't think any team in any league acts differently there.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 02 2013 05:10 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

This keeps getting repulsively wider.

Ashie62 Jul 02 2013 05:19 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Raven & RU Product Joe Lefeged caught with an open view semi automatic, booz and dope in D.C. proper...Dumbass...

Nymr83 Jul 02 2013 06:03 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

[url]http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/9445800/tim-tebow-intervened-aaron-hernandez-bar-fight-florida You can't make it up! It's always Tebow Time at ESPN!

MFS62 Jul 06 2013 04:26 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Heard today on WFAN that the Pats are offering an exchange program for Hernandez souvenir jerseys. You can get any other one of your choosing. Why would anyone want to get rid of theirs? It might be the last time we see one of his shirts with only two numbers on it. Later

SteveJRogers Jul 06 2013 04:57 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Nymr83 wrote: [url]http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/9445800/tim-tebow-intervened-aaron-hernandez-bar-fight-florida You can't make it up! It's always Tebow Time at ESPN! Ditto WFAN. Seems like every other football related story put out by their Facebook feed is Tebow related! Of course followed by the trollish comments about Tebow and what he represents...you wonder if that is part of it, to rile up fans to talk? Kind of what the template of the talk shows is...

Nymr83 Jul 11 2013 07:24 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Alfonzo Dennard arrested for DUI... Do you think0 Belichek would still be annoyed by Tebow questions? He may ask for them now!

Frayed Knot Jul 11 2013 05:21 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Nymr83 wrote: Alfonzo Dennard arrested for DUI... And this is the guy, from what I understand, who had previously been arrested and convicted of previous crimes including striking a police officer while being arrested previously. So maybe the NY Times can tell me how his continued presence on the Patriots roster up to this point fits in with that "Patriots Way" thing they were harping on after they released Aaron Hernandez.

Nymr83 Jul 12 2013 09:29 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Frayed Knot wrote: Nymr83 wrote: Alfonzo Dennard arrested for DUI... And this is the guy, from what I understand, who had previously been arrested and convicted of previous crimes including striking a police officer while being arrested previously. So maybe the NY Times can tell me how his continued presence on the Patriots roster up to this point fits in with that "Patriots Way" thing they were harping on after they released Aaron Hernandez. Its the Patriots Way to forgive these guys until they've either gone too far (murder) or they arent very useful as football players anymore, at which point the Patriots will loudly part ways with them and remind everyone that this isn't the Patriots Way Also, the culture of NFL entitlement goes way beyond the players as 2 Broncos executives recently got DUIs as well!

Edgy MD Jul 12 2013 09:47 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

I wouldn't call it forgiving, so much as ignoring. I mean, he didn't assault anyone in Patriots management.

Frayed Knot Jul 12 2013 09:59 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

What I'm referencing above is the NY Times article from last week (also referenced on Page 2 of this thread) claiming that the quick release of Hernandez was an example of 'The Patriot Way' which the piece passed off as some sort of unique culture within that org that either has no room for questionable characters or forces previously known questionable characters to clean up their act and toe the line once arriving in Kraft/Belichek-land. The premise of the piece smelled a bit fishy to me at the time as if the facts were being selected and/or bent to fit a pre-determined conclusion. That it turns out that the Patriots kept this Dennard guy after his prior arrest and conviction for a violent offense implies that maybe my instincts were at least partially accurate and that this supposed policy of theirs is more than a bit flexible.

Swan Swan H Jul 15 2013 12:40 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

For Broncos’ Matt Russell, an NFL precedent of fines and suspensions after arrest. Now management is getting in on the act.

Frayed Knot Aug 23 2013 07:22 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

ESPN pulls out of a joint documentary with PBS's 'Frontline' series examining the NFL's history with concussions. ESPN is citing a lack of editorial control in the project (that rests with Frontline) as a reason, but that was the case all along so it seems odd that they just now "discovered" this condition. The NFL claims that no interference or pressure came from their end to get their TV partner to yank its name and cooperation on the documentary scheduled to air in two parts this October but the league offices are reportedly not pleased with the direction or content even though they've yet to see any of it.

Nymr83 Aug 23 2013 08:56 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Frayed Knot wrote: ESPN pulls out of a joint documentary with PBS's 'Frontline' series examining the NFL's history with concussions. ESPN is citing a lack of editorial control in the project (that rests with Frontline) as a reason, but that was the case all along so it seems odd that they just now "discovered" this condition. The NFL claims that no interference or pressure came from their end to get their TV partner to yank its name and cooperation on the documentary scheduled to air in two parts this October but the league offices are reportedly not pleased with the direction or content even though they've yet to see any of it. Yeah, just like 'Playmakers' was cancelled with no pressure from the NFL whatsoever. ESPN is the NFL's bitch.

Frayed Knot Aug 23 2013 09:35 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Nymr83 wrote: ESPN is the NFL's bitch. By coincidence I just flicked by ESPN checking on scores and hi-lights and, despite the fact that 15 different baseball games had either ended in the previous 90 minutes or were still in progress, not only was the story they were in the midst of when I clicked one about football but the upcoming stories (as indicated by the boxes in the left-hand column) were: football, football, football, college football, Kobe's birthday, and football.

Ceetar Aug 24 2013 06:58 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Frayed Knot wrote: ESPN is the NFL's bitch. By coincidence I just flicked by ESPN checking on scores and hi-lights and, despite the fact that 15 different baseball games had either ended in the previous 90 minutes or were still in progress, not only was the story they were in the midst of when I clicked one about football but the upcoming stories (as indicated by the boxes in the left-hand column) were: football, football, football, college football, Kobe's birthday, and football. The only reason they don't rename the station The Football Network is name recognition and it'd be harder to talk about LeBron and Kobe.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 05 2013 10:55 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

What an odd cocktail of triumphant and terrible must you feel tonight if you catch passes for Denver and you DIDN'T catch a touchdown from Peyton Manning against the Ravens.

d'Kong76 Sep 08 2013 09:55 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Watching the over-blown ESPN show this morning and they did a piece on problem players and a GM says: If Hannibal Lecter could run a 4.3, there will still be teams who would be interested in him and just call it an eating disorder. (paraphrasing)

MFS62 Sep 08 2013 01:16 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Kong76 wrote: Watching the over-blown ESPN show this morning and they did a piece on problem players and a GM says: If Hannibal Lecter could run a 4.3, there will still be teams who would be interested in him and just call it an eating disorder. (paraphrasing) During the AFL-NFL signing wars, Al Davis would have signed Lecter under the goal posts at the end of his last college game. Later

HahnSolo Sep 09 2013 12:19 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: What an odd cocktail of triumphant and terrible must you feel tonight if you catch passes for Denver and you DIDN'T catch a touchdown from Peyton Manning against the Ravens. Or if you're the guy who played Eric Decker on his fantasy team.

TransMonk Sep 15 2013 06:47 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Kevin "Guys" Burkhardt was calling the Saints/Bucs game today. He did a good job...reminded me of a young Al Michaels.

MFS62 Sep 16 2013 07:14 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

When the Seattle defense announced themselves last night, a few of them listed high schools instead of colleges. Where did they play between HS and the NFL? Canada? I thought players had to spend some time in college before they were eligible to be signed. Later

Frayed Knot Sep 16 2013 07:24 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

It's just a gag, occasionally you'll hear some of them call out their elementary schools. The conspiracy between the NFL and the NCAA is virtually iron-clad. Almost no one gets to the former without surviving through at least three years of the gristmill that is the latter.

MFS62 Sep 16 2013 07:30 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Thanks. I remember when the guys on Monday Night Football used to say that one of the Oakland Raiders' players was from the "University of Mars". (Otis Sistrunk?) Later

Frayed Knot Sep 16 2013 07:44 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

It was Sistrunk, and he was one of the few players who actually did NOT come through college. He had played semi-pro I think before the NFL, or maybe was in the same league as Charlie Sheen's character in 'Major League': The California Penal League. So between the no college thing and the shaved head look (an odd looking novelty back then) the whole 'University of Mars' tag got hung on him (I believe by himself) and then seized on by TV folks as part of their never-ending attempt to add personality to otherwise helmeted players.

Ceetar Sep 16 2013 11:40 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

there's one guy that says something funny right? Bart Simpson pranking Moes esque? I always tune out (And only watch the Giants) because I don't care where athletes went to college nor the cross-promotion with the NCAA.

cooby Oct 11 2013 05:21 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Un Effing Believable. Who would beat a 2 year old to death?

Ashie62 Oct 11 2013 05:37 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

A nut... Adrian Peterson left the child behind???

MFS62 Nov 06 2013 08:18 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

"Did you order the Code Red?" "You're G-ddam right I did!" http://nypost.com/2013/11/05/under-fire ... s-support/ Later

Edgy MD Nov 06 2013 08:54 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Can there be any doubt that Incognito's brand of mental torment is far more common in the NFL than it's comfortable to think about?

TransMonk Nov 06 2013 09:49 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Not in my mind. It is scary and shameful that there are adult millionaires that need to act this way to each other.

Mets – Willets Point Nov 06 2013 09:51 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

What does he call himself when he doesn't want to be recognized?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 06 2013 09:57 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

I'd never even heard of this douchecake until this week. I though his name was a joke like that Johnny Football guy.

Frayed Knot Dec 12 2013 09:04 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

So what's the best nickname? - RG 3-and-10 - RG 3rd String - RG 3-and-out

d'Kong76 Dec 13 2013 05:39 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

- RG Guess it's Not All About Me

Frayed Knot Dec 19 2013 10:23 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

So this whole penalty on the guy who laid out the punter thing has me confused. To recap: - punters punts then, during the run-back, gets not only blind-sided but takes a helmet up under the chin to the point where it breaks his jaw, cracks a few teeth, and cracks a few vertebrae - play goes un-penalized despite the supposed ban on helmet-to-helmet (or, one would suppose helmet-to-skull) hits - league reviews play and later fines the hitter based not on the helmet-to-jaw hit but on the idea that the punter is considered a defenseless player during the entirety of the play So it's apparently not the way he hit him but merely the fact that he hit him at all. 1) The punter, while in the act of kicking the ball, should absolutely be considered defenseless. But, after that, if he is to be labeled as defenseless then get him off the field. Kick the ball, then run to the sidelines and have a cup of coffee while the runback is going on. 2) How do you justify not being able to block a punter even though punters (and kickers) can and do tackle returners on occasion or at least can alter the path of the returner towards his guys who will tackle him? 3) If he can't be hit then he needs to where a different color uniform a la soccer goalies. The other team needs something other than 'skinny white dude' to distinguish who can or can't be hit. The rules in this league drive me nuts sometimes.

MFS62 Dec 19 2013 10:35 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Frayed Knot wrote: So what's the best nickname? - RG 3-and-10 - RG 3rd String - RG 3-and-out He had a teammate at Baylor. An big offensive lineman with the same first and last names. So, his nickname was RG300 (because of his weight). The Jets drafted him. He was cut during training camp. Later

TransMonk Dec 19 2013 02:55 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

I'm partial to RG-still-having-a-better-year-than-Eli-and-Flacco-even-though-I-got-benched.

Frayed Knot Dec 19 2013 02:58 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Now I guess we can add 'RG Sitting-the-last-3' to the list

Nymr83 Dec 19 2013 09:11 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

So this whole penalty on the guy who laid out the punter thing has me confused. To recap: - punters punts then, during the run-back, gets not only blind-sided but takes a helmet up under the chin to the point where it breaks his jaw, cracks a few teeth, and cracks a few vertebrae - play goes un-penalized despite the supposed ban on helmet-to-helmet (or, one would suppose helmet-to-skull) hits - league reviews play and later fines the hitter based not on the helmet-to-jaw hit but on the idea that the punter is considered a defenseless player during the entirety of the play So it's apparently not the way he hit him but merely the fact that he hit him at all. 1) The punter, while in the act of kicking the ball, should absolutely be considered defenseless. But, after that, if he is to be labeled as defenseless then get him off the field. Kick the ball, then run to the sidelines and have a cup of coffee while the runback is going on. 2) How do you justify not being able to block a punter even though punters (and kickers) can and do tackle returners on occasion or at least can alter the path of the returner towards his guys who will tackle him? 3) If he can't be hit then he needs to where a different color uniform a la soccer goalies. The other team needs something other than 'skinny white dude' to distinguish who can or can't be hit. The rules in this league drive me nuts sometimes. The rules are stupid. The rule for punters should be you can't touch his plant leg unless you first touch the ball in the act of kicking or are pushed into him by his teammate. once the kicking leg comes down and the punter has "re-established his footing" or however else you want to phrase that, he should be treated the same as every other guy on the field.

Frayed Knot Dec 20 2013 06:43 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Nymr83 wrote: ... once the kicking leg comes down and the punter has "re-established his footing" or however else you want to phrase that, he should be treated the same as every other guy on the field. Right. Either that or go totally the other way and get him off the field. It's this in-between status, the part where he can participate in a tackle but can't be prevented from doing so by the other side, that's stupid.

Frayed Knot Dec 30 2013 02:11 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

It seems to me that the NFL (along with their willing cohorts in the press) do an awful lot of trumpeting of their 'Rooney Rule' -- the one that requires an inclusion of minority candidates in the coach hiring process -- as if the rule is universally recognized as: a) something new that they alone invented; and b) a rousing success. Yet somehow the result of all this success was THREE black head coaches this past season ( ~9% in a leagues that's over 70% black) one of whom was just fired today.

Nymr83 Dec 30 2013 02:41 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Frayed Knot wrote: It seems to me that the NFL (along with their willing cohorts in the press) do an awful lot of trumpeting of their 'Rooney Rule' -- the one that requires an inclusion of minority candidates in the coach hiring process -- as if the rule is universally recognized as: a) something new that they alone invented; and b) a rousing success. Yet somehow the result of all this success was THREE black head coaches this past season ( ~9% in a leagues that's over 70% black) one of whom was just fired today. Maybe they need a rooney rule for white players, under represented!

d'Kong76 Dec 30 2013 03:09 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

I'd like to see a list of black candidates 'slighted' out of consideration because of their skin color. My guess is it's a very short list. Everything is drama. How long ago was it that Jimmy The Greek revealed his ass in public?

Nymr83 Dec 30 2013 09:09 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

ESPN executives are panicking as they haven't had a new story about their favorite topic in months... so they went ahead and created the story themselves! On Monday, ESPN announced that it had formally reached an agreement with Tebow to serve as a college football analyst for the upcoming SEC Network. The network said Tebow's primary role will be as an analyst for SEC Nation, a Saturday morning pregame show that will travel to different SEC campuses each week. In the months leading up to the launch of SEC Nation on Aug. 28, ESPN said Tebow will also contribute to a variety of ESPN platforms, including SportsCenter, ESPN Radio and the network's Heisman Trophy coverage. The former Florida quarterback will also be part of studio coverage for the new College Football Playoff, which goes into effect next season. As far as continuing a professional playing career, Tebow reportedly has an out clause in his contract. (He signed a multi-year deal with ESPN.) Tebow will make his debut during coverage of the BCS title game on Jan. 6. He will appear several times throughout that day, including in the 9 a.m. ET edition of SportsCenter, College Football Live (3 p.m.) and College GameDay (7 p.m.). Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/colleg ... z2p1RXql8b

Frayed Knot Dec 30 2013 09:27 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Kong76 wrote: I'd like to see a list of black candidates 'slighted' out of consideration because of their skin color. My guess is it's a very short list. Everything is drama. Well a list itself would probably be very small, but that's at least partially because it's been built for the guy who'll never get interviewed because he's not in with the in-crowd, so one can certainly understand the purpose of the whole thing. Like I said though, the problem is that they're so busy patting themselves on the back for coming up with the strategy in the first place (as if similar things weren't in various parts of corporate America all along) that no one seems to notice that progress has been virtually non-existent. How long ago was it that Jimmy The Greek revealed his ass in public? The Greek always was an ass, it just took him getting drunk and saying something stupid in front of a microphone before the powers that be deemed it OK to say so.

Ceetar Jan 02 2014 01:42 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

[url]http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/02/is-football-dying/ 3/4 teams are (sort of) in danger of local blackouts this weekend. the link to the deadspin article about the bigoted Vikings coaches is in there too.

Frayed Knot Jan 02 2014 02:12 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

The funny part about this is the media types who seem surprised by this story. Tickets are priced at hundreds of dollars for an average seat (and who knows what for parking?), start times have been shoved to either night starts or late afternoon starts* (which is essentially a night start in the east or upper mid-west at this time of year), and big ol' storms and/or cold fronts are expected almost everywhere. * 8 PM in Philly, 3:30 local time in Green Bay, mid-afternoon in Indy (although that's indoors). Only Cincy gets what used to be standard, a 1:00 local start Yeah, part of this is bad luck in that they got no southern/western cities as hosts for this first round, but when you pre-move games to nights or late in the day to accommodate TV then you deserve what you get.

Edgy MD Jan 02 2014 02:23 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Most Packers fans I know jumped off the bridge in Week 9 or 10. Give 'em a day or two to absorb that the team actually made the playoffs. The blackout rules make little sense to me.

Frayed Knot Jan 02 2014 02:44 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Edgy MD wrote: The blackout rules make little sense to me. IIRC those rules came from a compromise after Congress dictated that the NFL start television all home games (remember that there was a time when teams only showed road games for fear of killing attendance) which itself was a side issue stemming from the merger/takeover of the AFL. The blackout rule for non sell-outs essentially built in a remedy if TV really did start harming attendance the way some feared. That fear turned out to be NOT true in the immediate aftermath of near universal televising of the home games (every sport has, in turn, been wary of the effects of TV on home attendance) but now, as technology makes football viewing better and better at home and as the NFL in turn caters more and more to their TV audience, the specter of declining attendance is increasingly a concern for the league offices. In effect unsold tickets will have little impact on a team's bottom line but the league is fearful of camera shots showing empty seats simply for pr purposes.

Edgy MD Jan 02 2014 02:50 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

So it's about PR?? Because, I'm just a dope, but I've got to think that NBC not getting to show a game and sell all their beer and Chevy truckzzz ads has got to be a bigger threat to the bottom line than 44,000 seats sold instead of 50,000. As far as pictures of empty seats, I don't watch the NFL, but if I recall correctly, no small amount of Giants and Jets fans bail by the end of the third quarter (like, the ones who live in New York), and even moreso if it's a Monday night game.

Ceetar Jan 02 2014 03:05 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Edgy MD wrote: So it's about PR?? Because, I'm just a dope, but I've got to think that NBC not getting to show a game and sell all their beer and Chevy truckzzz ads has got to be a bigger threat to the bottom line than 44,000 seats sold instead of 50,000. As far as pictures of empty seats, I don't watch the NFL, but if I recall correctly, no small amount of Giants and Jets fans bail by the end of the third quarter (like, the ones who live in New York), and even moreso if it's a Monday night game. well many of the articles suggest someone like Chevy or Big Beer (or the team) will pony up and "buy" the remaining seats anyway.

Frayed Knot Jan 02 2014 03:31 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Edgy MD wrote: So it's about PR?? Well, like I said, the original rule had to do with instituting home game television in the first place. Congress reasoned that if the NFL was going to both swallow up the only competing league AND control the TV rights to every team in that combined entity then they could no longer impose black-outs for the home folks. The non-sell-out rule was put it as an escape hatch compromise in case a home team did have their attendance damaged by TV. But now that the era of automatic sell-outs are fraying at the edges in several cities the NFL is getting anxious about TV cameras showing empty seats in some of their shots and are talking about wanting to re-visit the now decades-old blackout rule. So the rule wasn't put in for PR purposes but it's becoming a PR concern for the constantly PR-conscious NFL.

Frayed Knot Jan 05 2014 09:26 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

I'm sure the networks which televise NFL football have their reasons as to why Rob Ryan gets more face/camera time than the other 63 'D' or 'O' coordinators combined (not to mention more than most players and probably more than a handful of head coaches) but I'll be damned if I can figure out what those reasons are. I watched maybe 1 Quarter of the NO/Philly game last night and I think if I had turned on 'Entertainment Tonight' instead I would have seen fewer shots of Miley Cyrus.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 05 2014 03:46 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

You were watching the wrong game, homes-- the Chiefs-Colts game was weird, brutal, intermittently ugly, and, frankly, transfixing.

MFS62 Jan 05 2014 04:58 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: You were watching the wrong game, homes-- the Chiefs-Colts game was weird, brutal, intermittently ugly, and, frankly, transfixing. The Colts were Luck-y. As for today's game, only minus 10 wind chill at game time in Green Bay? What a bunch of wusses those reporters are. The fans and players aren't complaining. Several players are wearing short sleeves. Later

Frayed Knot Jan 05 2014 06:58 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: You were watching the wrong game, homes-- the Chiefs-Colts game was weird, brutal, intermittently ugly, and, frankly, transfixing. Well, I caught the final quarter or so of that game too, so I managed to see a portion of the comeback even if I didn't see the entire thing. With the offenses the way they are in that league these days you almost expect to see both sides score nearly every time they have the ball making whoever has it last the eventual winner.

metirish Jan 11 2014 05:48 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Seattle beats the Saints 23-15......got to say I really, really like Burkhardt and Lynch doing games....FOX to me have the absolute worst NFL crews, I detest them all except Buck and Aikman......I do think AIkman is pretty good. Moose, Goose and who??? are fucking tripe.....a good crew are seamless and you barely notice them, but a bad crew can really ruin the viewing experience. To that end Burckhardt would seem to have a real opportunity here with FOX. I wonder what the reviews on him will be ..pretty cool story, good for him.

MFS62 Jan 11 2014 06:12 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 11 2014 06:15 PM

The guy doing the play-by-play game on radio, Dave Simms, was horrible. He screamed every time someone on Seattle scratched his ass, as though he felt that HE had to inject excitement into the game instead of just describing it. He was yelling louder than the famously loud Seattle fans. And I don't mean in a way that he could be heard over them. Later

d'Kong76 Jan 11 2014 06:14 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

I've seen a number of Kevin's games this year, I think he will have a long and successful career in football broadcasting. He must be well thought of already, getting a second-round playoff gig in his rookie season.

MFS62 Jan 11 2014 06:16 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

I heard him interviewed on WFAN yesterday, and he was asked if he would continue covering the Mets and he said he would be. Later

d'Kong76 Jan 11 2014 06:17 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Hope so!

Frayed Knot Jan 11 2014 06:47 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

MFS62 wrote: The guy doing the play-by-play game on radio, Dave Simms, was horrible. He screamed every time someone on Seattle scratched his ass, as though he felt that HE had to inject excitement into the game instead of just describing it. He was yelling louder than the famously loud Seattle fans. And I don't mean in a way that he could be heard over them. Simms (originally from Philly I believe although he worked for a time on WFAN) has been doing Mariners games on TV now for a number of years so I assume he lives in Seattle much or all of the year and that what you got was pretty much a local broadcast disguised as a national one. IIRC he gets pretty worked up doing M's games too. On a more general note, I tend to find almost all football broadcasts as an assault on the senses so I frequently watch with the sound either off or at least way down. The whole hype the game to the rafters concept just gets to me after a while. Describe the game to me, don't jam it down my throat.

TransMonk Jan 11 2014 06:53 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Burkhardt has been decent this season. Still, I'm surprised they bumped him up to the B Team for the playoffs. He reminds me of a young Al Michaels. It seems like FOX likes him, so I'm happy for him.

metirish Jan 11 2014 07:06 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

When your other crews are led by Dick Stockton and Kenny Albert it's not shocking. One thing I like about KB is you can see and hear him get better the more he does it.

Ceetar Jan 12 2014 08:35 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

MFS62 wrote: I heard him interviewed on WFAN yesterday, and he was asked if he would continue covering the Mets and he said he would be. Later the question will be if/when the Mets make the playoffs. The handful of SNY off-weekends in September when the Mets are out of it don't seem like a big deal. of course, SNY doesn't get to participate in the playoffs so we should be fine...but I wonder if someone at Fox figures out that he also works for baseball and that maybe he'd be better than some of the Fox guys get get now.

Nymr83 Jan 12 2014 09:36 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

What to do with Kevin when the Mets make the playoffs would be an excellent problem to have.

Frayed Knot Jan 12 2014 11:07 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

I suspect that when Kevin's contract with SNY is up he'll be gone (although I'm not sure when that is). Network football and/or baseball gigs just pay too much to justify sticking around as the fourth wheel/glorified sideline reporter with a local station with the occasional p-b-p fill-in appearance throw in. If he's getting NFL playoff work in only his second year then someone among the network brass likes him so more exposure is already coming. Plus, while he might be two decades or so younger than Gary, he's still got a long way to go waiting around for that job to open (assuming that's even his ultimate goal) IIRC he made a request a couple years ago to be given more freedom/time-off to do other work with some other outfit but was turned down.

Edgy MD Jan 12 2014 07:03 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

He had several days off toward the last two weeks of this past season. Irish Guys filling in was... well he wasn't Guys, that's for sure.

Frayed Knot Jan 12 2014 07:52 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

It's amazing that it seems to be a requirement that Peyton Manning's career legacy gets re-examined following every single one of his games ... only to be subject to re-re-examination following the next one.

Elster88 Jan 13 2014 08:57 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

TransMonk wrote: Burkhardt has been decent this season. Still, I'm surprised they bumped him up to the B Team for the playoffs. He reminds me of a young Al Michaels. It seems like FOX likes him, so I'm happy for him. I thought he was really good this weekend. Bill Simmons had great praise for him.

Elster88 Jan 13 2014 09:02 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Frayed Knot wrote: It's amazing that it seems to be a requirement that Peyton Manning's career legacy gets re-examined following every single one of his games ... only to be subject to re-re-examination following the next one. Agreed. A great championship weekend coming up. These are the teams I would've wanted to see. I hope Peyton wins.

metirish Jan 14 2014 06:52 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Yeah, as a neutral fan I couldn't ask for more, got to say the SF QB is starting to rub me the wrong way....all that silly posturing and showing up the other QB is unbecoming.

TransMonk Jan 14 2014 08:06 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Colin Kapernick is a douche. He eclipsed Cam this past weekend...both on the field and in doucheyness. Agreed on the matchups, too. Based on how they have been playing all year long and in the playoffs, these are the four teams that deserve to be playing this weekend.

Ashie62 Jan 15 2014 11:02 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

If Manning gets a ring he needs to have his neck examined lol..

Ashie62 Jan 17 2014 07:21 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Kellen Winslow Jr. was arrested in the parking lot of a Target in East Hanover and charged with a drug offence.... Apparently he would have been fine but for a female shopper who noticed Winslow was not the master of his domain. Police did not catch Winslow with it, out, but saw two containers of vaseline in the car....he has not been charged with lewdness. Ironically, the synthetic marijuana brand he was holding is called "Mr. Happy." [url]http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2014/01/witness_told_police_jets_tight_end_kellen_winslow_jr_was_masturbating_in_his_car.html#incart_m-rpt-1

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 19 2014 08:30 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Richard Sherman: American Treasure.

seawolf17 Jan 19 2014 08:38 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

My wife was watching the end of Downton Abbey, so I missed it, but holy hell, did my FB feed blow up.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 19 2014 08:39 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Richard Sherman: American Treasure. I heard Crabtree called him a name.

d'Kong76 Jan 19 2014 08:43 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

The NFL off-the-field WWFness is nothing new, he just bumped it up a notch. Ok, four notches.

SteveJRogers Jan 20 2014 08:07 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Kong76 wrote: The NFL off-the-field WWFness is nothing new, he just bumped it up a notch. Ok, four notches. It's actua...ah fuck it, you don't give a shit, but WWF/WWE is one of those big "yes it really is a big deal if you get it wrong, despite your eye roll" things.

Ceetar Jan 20 2014 08:12 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

One more football party and then we can move on to real sports. wheeeee

d'Kong76 Jan 20 2014 01:10 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

SteveJRogers wrote: It's actua...ah fuck it, you don't give a shit Stevie getting dismissive in his old age!!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 20 2014 04:26 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

So, yeah, turns out there's backstory behind the Richard Sherman/Michael Crabtree (the "mediocre" WR he covered/taunted) business, beyond the on-field talk. Sherman has been upset with Crabtree since last summer. Both attended Arizona star receiver Larry Fitzgerald’s charity event. While there, Sherman went to shake Crabtree’s hand, and Crabtree tried to start a fight, according to Sherman’s older brother, Branton. “I’m going to make a play and embarrass him,” Richard Sherman vowed that day.

Frayed Knot Jan 31 2014 10:09 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Looks like my dream of a game-day weather disaster is all shot to hell. The weather sucked this past week and it'll suck again next week, but the weekend looks to be fine. Somehow it doesn't surprise me that the NFL would luck into that kind of situation. This NYG memorabilia story, whether true or not, should shock exactly no one. I assume that a huge majority of the stuff on the collectors market is phony-ed up to at least some degree. I have no idea who'll win (neither does anyone else, they just won't say so) but, either way, I predict that at least one person on the winning side will crow about how no one gave his squad any respect or any chance to win, despite the fact that both teams were among the season-long favorites and were top seeds coming into the playoffs. The discussion about Peyton Manning's legacy will continue to be discussed no matter what the result or how he personally plays.

Ashie62 Jan 31 2014 10:46 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

About 50 degrees on Sunday... The Super Bowl TV saturation on the local networks is over the edge..

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 31 2014 04:20 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

I mean, you'd think they're playing the game in our backyard or something!

d'Kong76 Jan 31 2014 06:57 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

A friend of mine and I are taking his son tomorrow to that Blvd thing ... anyone been or heard anything. I don't watch the news.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 31 2014 08:30 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

All I know is, there's a 60-foot "toboggan" slide. "Registered" for the festival myself last week, but haven't gone into midtown once. Thinking of taking the YoungerPooper. Also-- given the lines, and the whole standing-around-in-them-with-a-not-quite-4-year-old thing-- thinking of not taking the YoungerPooper, and doing something Lunar New Year-related with her instead.

d'Kong76 Jan 31 2014 08:40 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

I'm worried about long lines and too many people. They made the trip for the weekend from MA and his 10ish year old kid is an NFL junkie. At least the cold has subsided some. I have several exit strategies in place if it gets boring.

Ceetar Jan 31 2014 08:43 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

sounds pretty cool from the reports I've seen.

SteveJRogers Jan 31 2014 09:04 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Frayed Knot wrote: The discussion about Peyton Manning's legacy will continue to be discussed no matter what the result or how he personally plays. Unless he announces his retirement. Then he'll get the Elway "we ALWAYS SAID he was one of the all-time greats" treatment.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 01 2014 08:59 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

As per a confidential source who totally isn't BetterHalfer telling me about her day... while staying at her hotel this week, Redsk*ns owner Dan Snyder acts exactly the way you'd think he would toward hospitality staff.

Frayed Knot Feb 01 2014 10:10 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Speaking of which, if, as Snyder as others claim, the team name of REDSKINS is actually complimentary rather than insulting, can we then assume that he and Goodell start these meetings they've been having with various native American tribes on the subject by saying; "We like to thank all you redskins for coming today" ?

TransMonk Feb 01 2014 10:43 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

I'm a Washington fan and I'd welcome a name change ASAP. Also, as much as I dislike the Wilpons, I hate Snyder. The team has been one long drama incident since he took over. I like to think I'm loyal, but this new coach's term is their last chance to keep me as a fan. I was hooked with them at age 11, but if they can't change the name and change the losing culture then I'm jumping ship whenever the next round of expansion/relocation happens.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 01 2014 05:58 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

We went to the Super Bowl Boulevard. We stood there and shuffled our feet for about two hours, boredom-and-back-pain-taxidermied father-and-child (-and-cousin-and-larger-child) in an ornery-and-shove-prone-Middle-Americans-complain-about-New-York diorama. We got two packs of free M and Ms, and some Seahawks swag from the bar where we stopped for late lunch, and a forty-feet-away glimpse of other people enjoying the toboggan ride and seeing the Lombardi Trophy and getting autographs from Jim Brown. We probably shouldn't have gone to the Super Bowl Boulevard.

d'Kong76 Feb 01 2014 09:42 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

It sucked. It sucked so bad, it's not worthy of a breakdown of the suckitude. Sucked.

Ceetar Feb 02 2014 07:02 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Kong76 wrote: It sucked. It sucked so bad, it's not worthy of a breakdown of the suckitude. Sucked. I'm sure Joe Buck will describe it as an amazing success tonight.

Mets – Willets Point Feb 02 2014 11:13 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Frayed Knot wrote: Looks like my dream of a game-day weather disaster is all shot to hell. The weather sucked this past week and it'll suck again next week, but the weekend looks to be fine. Somehow it doesn't surprise me that the NFL would luck into that kind of situation. All the handwringing about "Super Bowl + outdoor venue + cold weather region = ZOMG! Disaster" ignores that the AFC/NFC championship games played just two weeks before the Super Bowl are routinely played under these circumstances. By my accounting, since 1970 the championship games have been played in Bloomington, MN (2x), Chicago, IL (4x), Cincinatti, OH (2x, including the coldest playoff game in post-merger history), Cleveland, OH, Denver, CO (5x), Foxborough, MA (5x), Green Bay, WI (2x), Orchard Park, NY (3x), Philadelphia, PA (3 x), Pittsburgh, PA (12 x) and yes, even the very East Rutherford, NJ (2x) where the Super Bowl will be played today. If anything the Super Bowl should've been played in New Jersey decades ago and the NFL should schedule the next 5 Super Bowls in Green Bay, Chicago, Buffalo, Cleveland, and New England to make up for lost time.

Frayed Knot Feb 02 2014 11:22 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Feb 02 2014 11:29 AM

All true. Except that the Superb Owl* long ago turned more into a show than a sporting contest, and the live audience--which, due to security concerns and crowd control reasons, is herded into the stadium hours in advance--is more made up of connected insiders than actual fans. So the thought of all of them, plus the half-time act along with the shipped-in teenagers surrounding the halftime act to make it seem like someone is actually paying attention, and everything/everyone else who goes along with this extravaganza getting rained/snowed/sleeted on would be too good for words. * don't want to get in trouble with the NFL's lawyers for using their trademarked name without permission

Mets – Willets Point Feb 02 2014 11:26 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Frayed Knot wrote: So the thought of all of them, plus the half-time act along with the shipped-in teenagers surrounding the halftime act to make it seem like someone is actually paying attention, and everything/everyone else who goes along with this extravaganza getting rained/snowed/sleeted on would be too good for words. Indeed, and I'd love to see this happen.

themetfairy Feb 02 2014 12:02 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Frayed Knot wrote: Except that the Superb Owl* * don't want to get in trouble with the NFL's lawyers for using their trademarked name without permission The Colbert Report had fun going the same route this past week.

metirish Feb 02 2014 05:59 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Manning with one half or two hours to reclaim his "legacy"..... best thing so far was Joe sporting the fur

Frayed Knot Feb 02 2014 07:08 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Here's a question: If a given act, let's call him Bruno Mars, is theoretically big enough to get the nod to do the halftime show at the Superb Owl, why does he need a co-star act even though the set is only 12 minutes long?

MFS62 Feb 02 2014 07:20 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Frayed Knot wrote: Here's a question: If a given act, let's call him Bruno Mars, is theoretically big enough to get the nod to do the halftime show at the Superb Owl, why does he need a co-star act even though the set is only 12 minutes long? Because the sponsors wanted to make sure they could also attract the tatted demographic. Later

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 02 2014 09:07 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Not the tatted demo, but the stupid white guys demographic which indexes with NFL fans pretty solidly.

sharpie Feb 03 2014 08:04 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

My numbers came up so I loved this Super Bowl.

Frayed Knot Feb 03 2014 10:01 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Not the tatted demo, but the stupid white guys demographic which indexes with NFL fans pretty solidly. So if that's your target then why sign up Bruno Mars in the first place? My numbers came up so I loved this Super Bowl. And I bet my entire life savings on a safety via botched-snap on the second play of the game from scrimmage!! How much does that suck?!?

d'Kong76 Feb 03 2014 10:40 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

"I want to kiss you!"

d'Kong76 Feb 03 2014 10:41 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

I won $100 on a consolation reverse score box and ate enough to feed three so I was happy. Omaha!!

Ashie62 Feb 03 2014 10:48 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Bruno Mars and Joe Willie were the highlights of the night Red not hot c peppers were embarrasing..

themetfairy Feb 03 2014 10:54 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

When I was a kid my family got season tickets to see the Jets at Shea. I don't think that I ever saw Namath play, but I distinctly remember him on the sidelines in a white fur coat. I'm wondering whether that was the same coat that he wore last night.

seawolf17 Feb 03 2014 10:59 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Joe Namath, the Ikea monkey.

themetfairy Feb 03 2014 11:09 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

themetfairy wrote: When I was a kid my family got season tickets to see the Jets at Shea. I don't think that I ever saw Namath play, but I distinctly remember him on the sidelines in a white fur coat. I'm wondering whether that was the same coat that he wore last night. Never mind, it appears to be a different coat.

MFS62 Feb 04 2014 08:15 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

And I bet my entire life savings on a safety via botched-snap on the second play of the game from scrimmage!! How much does that suck?!? They published odds on everything that could happen before the game. I noticed that a first score other than a touchdown or field goal had odds of 30:1. (It had to be a safety. This isn't the CFL where they award one point for a kick not sun out of an end zone. They call it a rouge.) I wonder how many people took that bet? Later

metirish Feb 04 2014 08:33 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

@Peta sent a tweet to @RealJoeNameth about the fox coat...

d'Kong76 Feb 04 2014 08:40 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

This is a sad story, I guess this thread is as good a place as any to post it since gambling has come up... I've been going to the same Super Bowl party for the last twenty years. It's a nice tradition and I'm lucky to have so many old friends, some I played little league and was in scouts with like 40 years ago. Ouch. Every year a relative of a friend used to show up with his clipboard and take bets with everyone on like 25 things. Stuff like what team would get flagged first, first first down, silly stuff. He didn't show up this year, and I learned that he crashed and burned. Turns out he developed a chronic prescription drug habit and nearly overdosed a couple of times. He had a boat load of gambling debts and couldn't stop. They had to sell their paid- off home to bail him out. His wife divorced him. His family has disowned him. No one has seen or heard from him in months. Speculation is that he is on the run from debts that were a little more shadier than the others and his life was in danger. He was a retired corrections officer on a pension with no mortgage and had a whole second half of his life to live and he pissed it all away.

metirish Feb 04 2014 08:46 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Very sad indeed........

Edgy MD Feb 04 2014 08:53 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Sobering to see that goofy stuff on the clipboard was the tip of one ugly iceberg. Gambling can be like drugs in that the last mistake leads you to double down on the next one. To be caught up in both spirals at once is hard to fathom.

themetfairy Feb 04 2014 09:10 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Sad indeed Kase....

Ashie62 Feb 04 2014 10:00 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Addictive illnesses are often hidden until the levee breaks...sorry to hear it...

Nymr83 Feb 04 2014 06:28 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

metirish wrote: @Peta sent a tweet to @RealJoeNameth about the fox coat... there is a fake twitter account for the coat, its pretty funny.

Edgy MD Feb 14 2014 06:34 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

So, 11 druggings, seven rapes, across four states.

Nymr83 Feb 14 2014 09:03 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Edgy MD wrote: So, 11 druggings, seven rapes, across four states. Wow what the fuck. You are fucking rich, you can afford high end hookers you idiot!

MFS62 Feb 14 2014 09:29 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Edgy MD wrote: So, 11 druggings, seven rapes, across four states. Any one of the old Oakland Raiders could have done that all by himself. This younger generation has to try harder. Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 14 2014 09:56 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Christ, those are some grim details.

Frayed Knot Feb 15 2014 06:09 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Edgy MD wrote: So, 11 druggings, seven rapes, across four states. But the league isn't ready to draft the gay guy; too much of a distraction.

Edgy MD Feb 15 2014 07:28 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

I'm telling you. Bail on the NFL, help starve the machine, get your Sundays back. You won't miss a thing.

Frayed Knot Feb 20 2014 08:02 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Ray Rice hit his fiancee while in Atlantic City (apparently they were hitting each other) and was then caught on film dragging her unconscious out of the hotel elevator. But of course we don't know all the facts yet.

d'Kong76 Feb 20 2014 08:32 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Will be interesting to see what happens. He's like a god in So Westchester.

Frayed Knot Feb 21 2014 06:01 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Well, maybe at some point folks will realize that it's not a good idea to turn athletes into gods anywhere - even before shit like this happens. Oh and, btw, apparently there is also now footage of him actually knocking her out, in addition to the film of him dragging her post-KO'd body out of an elevator.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 21 2014 09:41 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Yeah, you really don't want to do anything untoward in a casino if you don't want it recorded.

Edgy MD Feb 21 2014 09:49 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Frayed Knot wrote: Well, maybe at some point folks will realize that it's not a good idea to turn athletes into gods anywhere - even before shit like this happens. Oh and, btw, apparently there is also now footage of him actually knocking her out, in addition to the film of him dragging her post-KO'd body out of an elevator. Well, no, they shouldn't be treated as gods, but neither should we roll over and accept that they can't be expected to behave like, I dunno, citizens. Recently suspended Redskins tight end Fred Davis busted yesterday aftenoon in Virginia for DUI. "Just to be fair, let's get the fire department in on this arrest, guys? Yeah, you boys just stand over there and cover him with the hose. How about sanitation. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF SANITATION?! PARKS & REC?! IS SENIOR SERVICES HERE?!"

d'Kong76 Feb 21 2014 09:58 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Yeah, you really don't want to do anything untoward in a casino if you don't want it recorded. I saw the inner workings of a Sear's security setup a couple of years ago and it's pretty impressive. Don't pick your nose or any- thing else in a department store. I'd love to see what goes on behind the scenes at a big casino.

Mets – Willets Point Mar 02 2014 12:17 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

NFL cracking down on racial epithets, so the Washington franchise will have change their name. Ha, ha, just kidding. They actually just cracking down black players who use the n-word with their friends.

d'Kong76 Mar 02 2014 12:47 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

They should change it to the Washington Whiteeze. I promise not be offended.

Frayed Knot Mar 02 2014 01:05 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

So instead of calling the black guy lined up across from me a Nigger and getting penalized I can simply call him a Motherfucker and everything's cool? And if he retorts with 'Cracker' or 'Honkey' will there be off-setting penalties?

themetfairy Mar 02 2014 01:14 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Frayed Knot wrote: So instead of calling the black guy lined up across from me a Nigger and getting penalized I can simply call him a Motherfucker and everything's cool? And if he retorts with 'Cracker' or 'Honkey' will there be off-setting penalties? Only if they pass the Word Association evaluation.

MFS62 Mar 12 2014 09:40 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Its free agency time. Revis signed with the Patroits today. But since Revis covers the other team's #1 wide receiver, and the Jets don't have one, this shouldn't be a problem. Ground and pound, baby! Later

Frayed Knot Mar 13 2014 07:03 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

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MFS62 Mar 13 2014 07:47 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Frayed Knot wrote: ... The reverse jinx worked. Now, the Jets don't have good safeties or a tight end, either. On to the Jets thread i just noticed. Later

Edgy MD Mar 28 2014 10:52 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

NFL Agent in on the Leland Yee schemes, and in it up to his eyeballs. This could all turn, but I bet there are a lot of feds giving each other a lot of high fives right now.

Nymr83 Mar 28 2014 12:01 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Edgy MD wrote: NFL Agent in on the Leland Yee schemes, and in it up to his eyeballs. This could all turn, but I bet there are a lot of feds giving each other a lot of high fives right now. Always nice to see more dominoes falling, whose agent was he?

Edgy MD Mar 28 2014 12:12 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

He is (or more likely, was) part of the Novo Agency. The client list is here. All references to Sullivan have been scrubbed from their website.

Nymr83 Mar 28 2014 01:14 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Michael Sam allegedly almost signed with him before choosing another agent, there's some crap that kid doesnt need!

Frayed Knot Mar 28 2014 02:39 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

For a league that spends a lot of energy making sure their image is all shiny and polished (Must protect 'The Shield') they don't appear to do a very good job of it. Bad actor agents seem to be a constant with them, and recent stuff like Ray Rice & this (DeSean?) Jackson guy on the player end and Jim Irsay and that guy under indictment in Cleveland on the owners side are hardly anything new. Going all the way back in Tom Boswell's now decades-old '100 Reasons Baseball is Better than Football' piece he was talking about the NFL harboring more "borderline Godfathers" in its ranks.

MFS62 Mar 28 2014 08:43 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Frayed Knot wrote: Going all the way back in Tom Boswell's now decades-old '100 Reasons Baseball is Better than Football' piece he was talking about the NFL harboring more "borderline Godfathers" in its ranks. IIRC, the Mara family amassed their fortune as gamblers and loansharks. Later

Ashie62 Mar 29 2014 01:07 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

The Wilpons amassed theirs through fortuitious Financial investment....

d'Kong76 Mar 29 2014 01:11 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Loansharking is probably a bit of a stretch. The Mara that died in the 50's was involved in gambling, which was still legal when he was doing it. I don't believe he was ever a felon or even thought of as a criminal or anything.

Frayed Knot Mar 29 2014 02:14 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Surprisingly brief Wikipedia entries for all the Maras from founder Tim, to sons Jack & Wellington, right through to current head-honcho John. Wellington's is the longest but even that doesn't dig very deep for a guy so much in the public eye who lived into his 90s, and it doesn't even mention stories that even I know and I barely even follow the team. Nothing, for instance, about the long-running feud between him and his co-owner nephew (following the death of his brother) which was seen as major cause of the fallow period from the mid-60s into the '80s when GM George Young was pretty much forced upon them and he and Parcells began a turn-around.

Ashie62 Mar 29 2014 07:35 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

In the area of romance... potential felon Ray Rice has married the victim... aw shucks....

Nymr83 Mar 30 2014 06:57 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Ashie62 wrote: In the area of romance... potential felon Ray Rice has married the victim... aw shucks.... So now they have spousal privilege in the state's cases against each of them for assaulting the other? brilliant!

Ashie62 Mar 31 2014 08:16 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Nymr83 wrote: Ashie62 wrote: In the area of romance... potential felon Ray Rice has married the victim... aw shucks.... So now they have spousal privilege in the state's cases against each of them for assaulting the other? brilliant! Indeed...

Nymr83 Mar 31 2014 09:04 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Desean Jackson anyone? Its most likely that he was cut because he was overpaid on a team with 2 other receivers making decent money, a suposedly strong fraft class, the presense of "receiver out of the backfield" sproles and a history of being a diva who complains about hia contract and catches. But then there is the gang story! Is it true? Was it planted by the Eagles?

MFS62 Mar 31 2014 09:32 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Nymr83 wrote: Desean Jackson anyone? Its most likely that he was cut because he was overpaid on a team with 2 other receivers making decent money, a suposedly strong fraft class, the presense of "receiver out of the backfield" sproles and a history of being a diva who complains about hia contract and catches. But then there is the gang story! Is it true? Was it planted by the Eagles? If it were true, the Raiders or the Bengals would have already signed him. Later

d'Kong76 Apr 10 2014 01:26 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

MIAMI (AP) — Police in Miami say San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick is named in a suspicious incident report involving a woman who passed out a downtown hotel. The Miami Police Department report released Thursday does not charge Kaepernick with any crime. The woman told police that on April 1, Kaepernick undressed her in a bedroom and left. The report says 49ers wide receiver Quinton Patton and Seattle Seahawks wide receiver Ricardo Lockette were also in the apartment. The woman told police after Kaepernick left, the two others peeked inside and she ordered them out. The report says she doesn't remember anything after that and woke up in a hospital. The 49ers say they are aware of the incident. Kaepernick's agent didn't immediately respond to an email and phone call seeking comment. Copyright 2014 The Associated Press.

Frayed Knot Apr 10 2014 01:33 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

If Kaepernick indeed undressed in her bathroom it's going to be a bit tough for him to claim that it was someone else who just happened to look like him and have all the same tattoos.

Edgy MD Apr 10 2014 01:47 PM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Undressed her.

MFS62 Apr 15 2014 07:03 AM Re: NFL National Felons League 2013 thread

Edgy MD wrote: Undressed her. Eli Manning has to have surgery on his ankle. I hope that he goes to Brook Lopez' surgeon. He has a lot of practice. (Correcting his mistakes) Later