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Trade Season Opens

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 02 2013 11:26 AM

Cubs swap RHP Scott Feldman & C Steve Clevenger to O's for Jake Arrieta, RP Pedro Strop. TiTTs for the O's. Arrieta is supposed to be good but has struggled. Feldman, we saw just recently, is pretty good in a Traschelian way.

seawolf17 Jul 02 2013 11:38 AM Re: Trade Season Opens

Every time I see Strop's name, I want it to be a palindrome. It's not.

RealityChuck Jul 02 2013 01:09 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

His nickname is "Ports," though.

Frayed Knot Jul 06 2013 08:56 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

Ricky Nolasco goes to the Dodgers for three minor leaguers--pitchers Josh Wall, Steven Ames and Angel Sanchez. Remember in ST when the Dodgers had too much starting pitching? Earlier this week, the same LA Dodgers acquired released Cubs reliever Carlos Marmol.

bmfc1 Jul 08 2013 03:08 AM Re: Trade Season Opens

Scott Hairston to the Nationals. The Cubs get an "unnamed Class A pitcher." Who knew that you could trade Scott Hairston mid-season?

smg58 Jul 08 2013 08:10 AM Re: Trade Season Opens

And when he's not hitting at all, to boot.

smg58 Jul 08 2013 08:16 AM Re: Trade Season Opens

The Cubs received Ivan Pineyro, who just made the jump to high A. [url]http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=606335 Not bad peripherals, and his second start at high A was much better than the first. There are obviously no guarantees, but he has at least a realistic chance of being a useful player and Hairston is hitting .172.

Swan Swan H Jul 08 2013 08:19 AM Re: Trade Season Opens

Both teams are getting an additional player, per MLB Trade Rumors.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 08 2013 10:27 AM Re: Trade Season Opens

So... Byrd would bring back, like, a really-High-A pitcher?

Edgy MD Jul 08 2013 10:30 AM Re: Trade Season Opens

You trade Byrd, you better have an answer who is playing right for the Mets this October.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 08 2013 10:39 AM Re: Trade Season Opens

Swan Swan H Jul 08 2013 10:41 AM Re: Trade Season Opens

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: So... Byrd would bring back, like, a really-High-A pitcher? Yeah, like Dock Ellis no-hitter high.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 08 2013 10:44 AM Re: Trade Season Opens

Edgy MD wrote: You trade Byrd, you better have an answer who is playing right for the Mets this October. Like, in Arizona?

seawolf17 Jul 08 2013 11:02 AM Re: Trade Season Opens

James Brown is dead. (And still a better hitter than Ike Davis!) --zing--

smg58 Jul 08 2013 11:34 AM Re: Trade Season Opens

Edgy MD wrote: You trade Byrd, you better have an answer who is playing right for the Mets this October. Well Satin does have to play somewhere.

Swan Swan H Jul 08 2013 11:57 AM Re: Trade Season Opens

smg58 wrote: Edgy MD wrote: You trade Byrd, you better have an answer who is playing right for the Mets this October. Well Satin does have to play somewhere. Not there. The Mets floundered while playing the statue of Paul Bunyan in left field and converted infielders and various other midgets in center field. Once they began playing real outfielders in the outfield the whole thing stabilized. Duda's move to 1B (and then to the DL) almost exactly coincides with their recent good play - his last game in left was the Nooey walk-off slam game. Please don't put a guy who runs like he's trying to sneak into the house without waking his wife in right field. I expect we'll have Duda back in left before long, and the sound of balls crashing into the gaps will keep me awake at night.

Ceetar Jul 08 2013 12:05 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: So... Byrd would bring back, like, a really-High-A pitcher? Maybe. If someone's desperate. I think you trade him for a _good_ High-A prospect, not for middling gut-shot stuff. Doesn't have to be as good as Synagaard, but at least a plus pitch or something.

metirish Jul 08 2013 12:17 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

There is the Hairston contract too.....$2.5 million this season and next....one would assume that factored in to what they got back?

Edgy MD Jul 08 2013 12:21 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

I just don't want to watch this trade-Byrd campaign to turn into another hate campaign if they don't.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 08 2013 12:24 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

You'd better avert your eyes then.

Swan Swan H Jul 08 2013 12:43 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

Edgy MD wrote: I just don't want to watch this trade-Byrd campaign to turn into another hate campaign if they don't. It's already started.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 08 2013 12:50 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

Ceetar wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: So... Byrd would bring back, like, a really-High-A pitcher? Maybe. If someone's desperate. I think you trade him for a _good_ High-A prospect, not for middling gut-shot stuff. Doesn't have to be as good as Synagaard, but at least a plus pitch or something. Granted. Something with some potential.

Edgy MD Jul 08 2013 01:27 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

And the problem remains that, and this is awesomely jumping between two threads, if nobody judged to be of appealing potential is offered, we have to live in the assumption that something was, because we're Met fans. Bitter, bitter Met fans.

Vic Sage Jul 09 2013 09:46 AM Re: Trade Season Opens

Or maybe just cynical, cynical Mets fans who think that management is loathe to trade in a single win in a losing season for even the prospect of an increased talent pool a few years down the road. And surely Sandy will be gone by then, if he doesn't start winning more now, so what does he care about the long-term? It's my fear (and that of some other fans) that the Mets engage in this type of short term thinking. It's not that we think Sandy must have been offered something better for Hairston but he turned it down because Mets are stupid/cheap/evil, etc., but when Sandy says he didn't trade Hairston last year because what he was offered was duplicative of what they already had, either he's stupid or thinks we are. Redundancy is essential, particularly at the lower levels of the minors. And Since Sandy obviously knows that, the only reasonable inference is that he chose to have Hairston on the roster to finish out the year, so they could possibly win a few more games... not because they were in a pennant race (god forbid), but because they wanted to sell a few more tickets, parking spaces, overpriced beers, and hotdogs, and hats. Now whether that was his choice (to increase job security) or a directive from above (to increase profitability), we cannot know, but i certainly have my suspicions, based on my respect for Sandy's baseball acumen. And if they pull the same shit with Byrd this year, many will feel that it'll be for the same bullshit reasons and yes, the hate will ensue... and will have been earned, in my view.

Edgy MD Jul 09 2013 09:54 AM Re: Trade Season Opens

Sure sounds nitpickingly bitter to me. I mean, oh fudge, we might have had --- checking paper --- the likes of Ivan Pineyro. Or maybe not. Who's Ivan Pineyro? I don't know, but I'm going to spend years bemoaning his loss under the notion that he was a bird in hand even though we have no idea whatsoever.

Vic Sage Jul 09 2013 09:56 AM Re: Trade Season Opens

potato, potahto...

batmagadanleadoff Jul 09 2013 09:59 AM Re: Trade Season Opens

Vic Sage wrote: Now whether that was [Sandy's] choice (to increase job security) or a directive from above (to increase profitability), we cannot know, but i certainly have my suspicions, based on my respect for Sandy's baseball acumen. And if they pull the same shit with Byrd this year, many will feel that it'll be for the same bullshit reasons and yes, the hate will ensue... and will have been earned, in my view. Oh c'mon. Just say it already. Not everyone's against you on this point. OK I'll say it. Its that mutt, eff Wilpon. What are they gonna do to you. Urge you to say nice things about eff? And Jeff?

Vic Sage Jul 09 2013 10:03 AM Re: Trade Season Opens

i wasn't trying to be coy about it. I'm just not as certain as you are where its all coming from. Sandy might be a reluctant captain following orders, or he might be directing this himself. Do i think its Fred? Actually, i'm starting to think Jeff has more control over things these days. But either way, it was some bad decision-making last year with Hairston and, if they repeat that process this year with Byrd, it'll be equally wrongheaded.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 09 2013 10:08 AM Re: Trade Season Opens

Vic Sage wrote: i wasn't trying to be coy about it. I know. I just needed the thinnest of premises to write "eff Wilpon". It rhymes with Jeff, you know. I can't believe that Megdal's getting crucified here for advocating a trade of Byrd. Byrd's had a decent last month, month and a half and we're supposed to act like he's Hank Fucking Aaron.

Vic Sage Jul 09 2013 10:22 AM Re: Trade Season Opens

Sure sounds nitpickingly bitter to me. I mean, oh fudge, we might have had --- checking paper --- the likes of Ivan Pineyro. Or maybe not. Who's Ivan Pineyro? I don't know, but I'm going to spend years bemoaning his loss under the notion that he was a bird in hand even though we have no idea whatsoever. Anger at how the franchise makes decisions about building its team and replenishing its system is "nitpicking"? That is some huge fucking nit, my friend. That is the Godzilla of nits. As to who Ivan Pineyro is, check here: http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/07/na ... -cubs.html where it says: "Pineyro, 21, is 6-3 with a 3.24 ERA in 15 starts at Class-A and was named to this year’s South Atlantic League All Star Team. Going into this season, Hagerstown pitching coach told MLB.com, that if Pineyro continues to pitch the way he has been, he will be a big league pitcher." But that's not the point. the point is this is the value in the market for Hairston when he's making a few million this year AND next year, while hitting .170. So what was his value to pennant-contenders going down the stretch LAST year, when he was hitting well, and unencumbered by future contractual obligations? Do you seriously think it was LESS than this A-Ball all-star arm? That's the floor. How much more he was worth is anybody's guess, and only Sandy knows what he was offered. Although he's been quoted as saying he rejected offers because they matched what they already had in the system. Do you really think redundancy is a valid reason not to swap out such players? Well you don't think ANY trade is appropriate, but i mean from the team's viewpoint. Redundancy is essential, and you have posted as much on more than one occasion. So whether Pineyro becomes anything or not, at least the Cubs have a chance that he will... while we do not. Lets not make the same mistake AGAIN, is all i'm saying.

Edgy MD Jul 09 2013 10:45 AM Re: Trade Season Opens

A few obvious points that nonetheless do nothing to quell the silly outrage. [list][*]None of us know who or what was available last year.[/*:m] [*]There is a real tangible value --- in the future as well as the present --- to not dealing a player who you believe is helping you.[/*:m] [*]Professionals are capable of weighing that value against the value of one more particular player added to the system. It doesn't make them right. But neither does them not dealing make them ignorant that a deal has a value.[/*:m] [*]Driving hard bargains in all your dealings means being willing to walk away from bargains that don't appeal to you.[/*:m][/list:u] None of that makes Alderson right about this stupid, stupid issue, but there are two sides to the issue, and this writing displays not even a feint at understanding that. Megdal's opinion pieces are clearly agenda-driven, and blushingly embarrassing. It's embarrassing to me to see his nonsense hammered on the walls around here like rock band posters in a college dorm room. I'd like a little honest thought and rational discussion. But all the martyr-baiting is exhausting and depressing. There's baseball going on.

bmfc1 Jul 09 2013 12:34 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

Vic Sage--the guy patting you on the back? That's me.

Edgy MD Jul 09 2013 12:44 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

Yes, I remember you stating that not trading Scott Hairston was somehow an indicator of how the Wilpons used the club as a vehicle for their passive investments. It's like it can be made to fit every anti-Mets or anti-Wilpon argument. But it can't and it doesn't. It's just a thing.

Swan Swan H Jul 09 2013 12:46 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

bmfc1 wrote: Vic Sage--the guy patting you on the back? That's me. Just watch out for the TiTTS. They're a bit tender today.

Vic Sage Jul 09 2013 12:58 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

Tender TiTTS... must be my time of the month. Just a thing? whatever, dude.

Swan Swan H Jul 09 2013 01:15 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

Vic Sage wrote: Tender TiTTS... must be my time of the month. Just a thing? whatever, dude. A bad pun based on your former leadership of a worthwhile organization. Nothing personal meant.

Ceetar Jul 09 2013 01:26 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

Edgy MD wrote: [*]Driving hard bargains in all your dealings means being willing to walk away from bargains that don't appeal to you. Exactly. And developing a reputation for it means opposing GMs are going to look at what Sandy is demanding and at least suspect that he's A. serious that he wants the guy he's talking about B. Isn't going to back down and accept something lesser. C. Maybe I better pull the trigger before I end up giving up my top pitching prospect. And that's a good thing. That attitude and reputation is how we got d'Arnaud, and Wheeler. It's how maybe Sandy fleeces someone out of a good outfielder without having to sacrifice as much.

Vic Sage Jul 09 2013 02:34 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

Swan Swan H wrote: Vic Sage wrote: Tender TiTTS... must be my time of the month. Just a thing? whatever, dude. A bad pun based on your former leadership of a worthwhile organization. Nothing personal meant. nothing personal was taken. the "whatever dude" wasn't directed at you.

Elster88 Jul 17 2013 08:10 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

Why did they trade Cone to Toronto? Was it a money dump?

Frayed Knot Jul 17 2013 08:44 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

More like impending FA status and afraid of what he would cost.

Frayed Knot Jul 23 2013 09:27 AM Re: Trade Season Opens Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 23 2013 09:40 AM

Matt Garza heads from the Cubs to Texas for a quartet of minor leaguers - the biggest prize being 3B Mike Olt who was rumored to be part of a possible Dickey deal last winter. Also RHP Justin Grimm (Ben's brother?); RHP CJ Edwards (Low-A) and our old friend PtbNL. BA on Olt -- Don’t read too much into Olt’s overall batting line at Triple-A [.213/.317/.422]. He entered the season ranked as the No. 22 prospect in the game, but after struggling out of the gate with vision problems, he redeemed himself by batting .247/.353/.506 with 10 homers in 158 at-bats since returning to Round Rock on June 3. Strikeouts will be a permanent fixture of Olt’s game, but that will be an acceptable tradeoff for his plus power production. He led the Texas League in home runs (28) and slugging (.579) in 2012, but he’s more than just a one-trick pony. Scouts rave about his agility, sure-handedness and arm strength at third base, and he forces pitchers to throw him strikes with a disciplined hitting approach—his strikeout-to-walk ratio was about 2-to-1 since June. Olt represents a good buy-low option for the Cubs.

Nymr83 Jul 23 2013 09:31 AM Re: Trade Season Opens

rumors have Alfonso Soriano headed back to the Yankees for prospects. this would kill my NL-only team.

Frayed Knot Jul 23 2013 09:34 AM Re: Trade Season Opens

Do you suppose they'll have the guts to try him out at 3rd base?

RealityChuck Jul 23 2013 10:39 AM Re: Trade Season Opens

Interesting trivia on ESPN's series of the best deadline deals for each team: The choice for the Astros was made up of three players that played for the Mets at one time or another.

Frayed Knot Jul 23 2013 04:57 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

Cubs GM Jed Hoyer says "not so fast" on that Soriano to the Yanx story. Claims the club is in talks with "several teams" but no trades have been agreed to much less passed by Soriano who has veto rights.

Frayed Knot Jul 23 2013 06:57 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

Francisco Rodriguez to the Orioles for minor league infielder Nick Delmonico Surprising only in that it was thought there were other teams more in need of relievers like Boston and/or Detroit. I assume he'll set-up mostly behind Johnson

Frayed Knot Jul 26 2013 08:10 AM Re: Trade Season Opens

Soriano to Yanx deal complete. Probably some nothing prospect going to Chicago in exchange. Also Cubs picking up around $17 of the $25mil still owed through the end of next year. So the Yanx, who knew coming into the season that their position players were too old and too expensive, have added and/or re-signed since the winter: Ichiro (39), Lyle Overbay (36), Travis Hafner (36), Vernon Wells (shockingly only 34 - he merely plays like he's older), and now Soriano (37) and, even though they got all those guys either at reduced rates or with their old club paying for a good chunk of the salary (Wells & Soriano) they've still got all except Hafner & Overbay under contract for next year.

metirish Jul 26 2013 08:12 AM Re: Trade Season Opens

Great work from Theo to get that much money paid by the MFY's.

Nymr83 Jul 26 2013 08:41 AM Re: Trade Season Opens

metirish wrote: Great work from Theo to get that much money paid by the MFY's. Not so great imo. The Cubs paid 17 of 25 million and Soriano has been good this year. the "prospects" i'm hearing they got back werent so good either. this was a salary dump without even dumping 2/3 of it!

Ceetar Jul 26 2013 08:47 AM Re: Trade Season Opens

Nymr83 wrote: metirish wrote: Great work from Theo to get that much money paid by the MFY's. Not so great imo. The Cubs paid 17 of 25 million and Soriano has been good this year. the "prospects" i'm hearing they got back werent so good either. this was a salary dump without even dumping 2/3 of it! He's been good, and I'm sure Yankee Stadium will help with the power, but he's OBP is less than .300 and this is still one of his worst years in the big leagues..and if he's on the downward slope and they're still paying him next year?

Frayed Knot Jul 29 2013 09:23 AM Re: Trade Season Opens

Houston closer Jose Veras dealt to Tigers in return for prospect Danry Vazquez The 32 y/o, well traveled Veras (NYY, CLE, PITT, MILW, FLA, HOU) has been having a good year closing for Houston when those rare closing opportunities come up -- 19 saves in 38 appearances, 1.00 WHiP, 2.93 ERA -- and Detroit is known to have been looking for back of the bullpen help since the Jose Valverde 2.0 experiment didn't work. Vazquez, a Venezuelan born 19 y/o OFer who originally cost the Tigers $1.2 mil in bonus money, is playing in the low-A Midwest Lg.

Frayed Knot Jul 29 2013 06:06 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

The Braves, who have been thin on LHPs in the bullpen since losing two guys to season-long injuries, shore up their relieving corps by trading for Scott Downs from the Angels. Going to Anaheim is RHP Cory Rasmus who pitched with Atlanta for a short time earlier this year.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 30 2013 12:41 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

Finalized yesterday as well: effective-when-physically-right-but-currently-injured bullpen-righty/All-Star Jesse Crain to the Rays, for future considerations. Weirdly-fair deal, in which the Sox's return depends on how much Crain gives his new squad down the stretch. "We're going to continue to cross-check the players over the coming weeks and months, and actually we'll come to an agreement as to what's appropriate compensation for Jesse," Sox general manager Rick Hahn told reporters in a conference call. "It required a fair amount of creativity and trust between the two clubs, and given our relationship with them it was fairly easy to ultimately come to an agreement that we felt would make sense for both of us going forward."

Ashie62 Jul 30 2013 04:30 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

Lotsa flotsam and jetsam changing hands..How bout a biggie!

Frayed Knot Jul 30 2013 04:53 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

Well Jake Peavy has been pulled from tonight's start. No announced trade yet but ...

Frayed Knot Jul 30 2013 09:16 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

And Peavy is headed to Boston in a three-way deal involving the Tigers & ChiSox.

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2013 01:09 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

Ian Kennedy - the pitching darling of 2011 - is headed from Arizona to Sandy Eggo

G-Fafif Jul 31 2013 01:44 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

Bud Norris: From the Astros to the Orioles.

Vic Sage Jul 31 2013 02:04 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

it's after 4pm -- no Mets trades i guess?

Edgy MD Jul 31 2013 02:15 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

Probably not, but I imagine there are trades that have gone down somewhere that haven't been announced yet. On the other hand, Boid and Moiphy in the lineup tonight.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 31 2013 02:18 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

But, perhaps tellingly, Bobby Parnell is not in the starting lineup.

Zvon Jul 31 2013 02:30 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

Benjamin Grimm wrote: But, perhaps tellingly, Bobby Parnell is not in the starting lineup. Ha! Shit stirrer. So we stand pat. I like.

Edgy MD Jul 31 2013 02:33 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

Bud Norris to Orioles, for something or other.

Zvon Jul 31 2013 02:38 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

Edgy MD wrote: Bud Norris to Orioles, for something or other. For some brand new Astros.

Ceetar Jul 31 2013 03:22 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

Zvon wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Bud Norris to Orioles, for something or other. For some brand new Astros. for Hoes.

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2013 06:04 PM Re: Trade Season Opens Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 31 2013 06:42 PM

So did anyone in the CPF get dealt? Edgy tried trading me but I invoked my 10-and-5 rights.

Ceetar Jul 31 2013 06:19 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

Frayed Knot wrote: So did anyone in the CPF get traded? Edgy tried trading me but I invoked by 10-and-5 rights. I think I'm getting sent down to Vegas to make room for someone though. *crosses fingers*

Frayed Knot Aug 09 2013 01:07 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

Alex Rios gets dealt to the Rangers - essentially to be Nelson Cruz's replacement. Rios did not pass through waivers, the Rangers were the ones who put in a claim on him. Rather than just let him go, the White Sox negotiated with Texas and a deal was reached just prior to the window expiring. Part-tims SS/part-time OF Leury Garcia was the return price. The natural tendancy will be to see if this is what we could live with in return for a hypothetical Byrd trade. Rios is signed beyond this season although I'm not sure if that made him more or less attractive to Texas.

Vic Sage Aug 11 2013 07:44 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

Byrd's career numbers are quite close to Rios, overall. But Rios is making 12.5m this year, $12.5M in 2014, and $1m in 2015 to buy out a $14M option. With that kind of price tag for his mediocre production, the white sox are lucky they got a living being in return. Byrd would give a team going down the stretch a bat at least as good as Rios (certainly this season) with NO FUTURE OBLIGATIONS to an aging OFer having a career year. I don't know why you think the compensation would be equivalent.

smg58 Aug 12 2013 08:40 AM Re: Trade Season Opens

Byrd would certainly be claimed were he to be put through waivers at this point, so even if the Mets were to consider dealing him now, they could only negotiate with one team and that would probably reduce what they could get for him. Rios has had several seasons at least as good as Byrd's current one, but he's also been paid good money for some pretty bad seasons. (Remember the White Sox got him in the first place off a straight waiver claim.) Byrd is outperforming him this year, and as Vic said, he carries no future risk. The fact that the White Sox got anything at all for a contract they didn't mind shedding says something about the market value for outfielders. And if Rios is a starting player, then Byrd would have been as well.

Frayed Knot Aug 12 2013 09:14 AM Re: Trade Season Opens

Vic Sage wrote: I don't know why you think the compensation would be equivalent. Not trying to suggest that the two are equivalent, only that it's a start as a basis for comparison. Career numbers are similar although Rios has a bit more power over time plus an extra 1,000+ ABs despite being 3-1/2 years younger. And yes he's signed for some not-so friendly numbers in the future but to Texas, coming off a year when they lost Josh Hamilton, now lose Nelson Cruz, and are facing OF David Murphy as a FA (as is Cruz) might look to the fact that Rios was under team control for the next two seasons as a positive thing whereas another team in a different mindset might not. That Texas placed a claim indicates that they had to be prepared to take on the entire contract without a deal if Chicago was willing to go that route. Maybe a deal for Byrd to the right situation would bring back more than what the White Sox got, but I'm not sure.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 12 2013 12:20 PM Re: Trade Season Opens

Also part of the equation: Rios also has a LOT more to offer on the basepaths (34.3 baserunning-runs above average over ten seasons; 211 steals at 77% clip) than Rumblin' Marlon (11.6 over parts of eleven seasons, 51 steals at 65% SB).