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Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

metirish Jul 20 2013 05:01 PM

Holy Shit! SANDY COHEN AP Entertainment Writer= SAN DIEGO (AP) — Superman is coming back, and he'll have a caped co-star. "Man of Steel" director Zack Snyder made a surprise appearance at Comic-Con on Saturday to announce he is making another Superman film and it will include Batman — the first time the two superheroes will be united on the big screen. He declined to reveal many details, saying the script is just being written. He then invited an actor onstage to read a passage to hint at the story line. "I am the man who beat you," read Harry Lennox, before an image of the Superman logo, backed by the Batman symbol, flashed on the screen. Warner Bros. confirmed the first-ever pairing in a statement. Snyder reimagined Superman in his June blockbuster "Man of Steel," starring Henry Cavill and Amy Adams. The film has grossed more than $630 million worldwide. Cavill and Adams will appear in the sequel, Warner Bros. said. Reaction to the news stunned Twitter and left fans at Comic-Con giddy. "Personally, I love him," said Claudia Gomez, who was wearing a Batman T-shirt while her niece, Ana, wore a Superman shirt. Gomez, who traveled to Comic-Con from Mexico City, said the pairing of both heroes left her optimistic about a new Superman film. Benjamin Ha, who dressed as Superman to his wife's Wonder Woman, said bringing the two superheroes together will yield fireworks. "They're both alpha males," he said. Production is set to begin next year and the film is expected to be released in the summer of 2015. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10893781

RealityChuck Jul 20 2013 09:15 PM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

The want it to be the world's finest movie.

Ceetar Jul 20 2013 10:43 PM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

Zvon Jul 24 2013 11:50 AM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

Logo looks kool. For me this all hinges on who's gonna play Batman.

Ceetar Jul 24 2013 12:24 PM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

Zvon wrote: Logo looks kool. For me this all hinges on who's gonna play Batman. too far away to get excited for me yet.

metsmarathon Aug 23 2013 07:36 AM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

Zvon wrote: Logo looks kool. For me this all hinges on who's gonna play Batman. ben affleck. damnit.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 23 2013 07:55 AM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

Very strange choice. Everyone's going to be reminded of that Daredevil flop.

metsmarathon Aug 23 2013 09:00 AM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

i, myself, can't shake a george clooney vibe.

dgwphotography Aug 23 2013 09:54 AM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

Not that I really care one way or the other, but I have a feeling he's going to be better than everyone thinks...

TransMonk Aug 23 2013 10:06 AM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

My favorite tweet so far... Richard Dreyfuss @RichardDreyfuss You read for a part, you feel good about it, you feel confident, then they cast Ben Affleck.

Edgy MD Aug 23 2013 11:28 AM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

Ben Affleck @MyLifeIsAwesome Yeah, and Richard Dreyfuss last carried a film successfully as a leading man when? The Goodbye Girl? Any Stakeout fans? Glass houses, people!

Benjamin Grimm Aug 23 2013 11:31 AM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

I find it hard to believe that Richard Dreyfuss was up for the role of Batman.

Zvon Aug 23 2013 12:55 PM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

Curious choice. He looks the part. He could be very good. We'll see.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 23 2013 01:54 PM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I find it hard to believe that Richard Dreyfuss was up for the role of Batman. Batman? I could see Alfred the butler.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 23 2013 02:12 PM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

Maybe Batman and Superman can battle "Mr. Holland."

Zvon Aug 24 2013 01:11 PM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

Big backlash in regards to this. I guess I shouldn't be surprised but come-on, it's just a movie. If he sucks, then he sucks. He's an actor, he got a role. Let him do his job. My Tumblr comic feed has been lightin it up.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 24 2013 10:06 PM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

metsmarathon wrote: i, myself, can't shake a george clooney vibe. RESOLVED: While doomed to ply his trade in the most embarrassing Batman movie since Bat-Shark-Repellent made its screen debut, George Clooney was actually a pretty solid choice as Bruce Wayne/Batman. Anyone else joining me on the Pro team?

Vic Sage Aug 26 2013 09:20 AM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

The problems with BATMAN & ROBIN didn't include Clooney. Bruce Wayne has to be a sophisticated, urbane, aristrocratic charmer, to the manor borne, with an air of arrogance and disinterest in the world, with a hint if madness behind his eyes. Once they put on the suit, its only a matter of voice-acting and silent movie star eyes. Clooney had much of this; Affleck has none of this. Christian Bale was perfect, Clooney a bit old but not inappropriate (though a better Wayne than Batman), Adam West's Wayne was too nice but in the right direction, and his square-jawed unneurotic Batman was right for his time. While Keaton lacked the sohistication of Bruce, he captured the crazed intensity of the Bat, but Kilmer was just not up to it at all. Affleck, however, seems like a joke in this part, with his Boston Southie working-class persona offering absolutely none of the characteristics of either Wayne or the Dark Knight. He seems more likely to make us long for the days of Val Kilmer than to live up to the current standard of Bale. With him already having shat a turd as DD, i cringe to think of the hash he'll make of the caped crusader. maybe they can bring Shumacher back to direct it, so at least it will be epically awful, instead of just tedious and wrong-headed. And Zvon, "it's just a movie... relax"? Yeah, the Mets are just a sports team, too. Why would you waste your time bitching about sports? Its just, you know, sports. Why are here at all? Look, Batman is a character in our popular culture for almost 75 years, existing in every medium known, then and now. He is part of our modern mythos, and people have become emotionally invested in this character; it matters to them what happens to him. They freaked out when Keaton was cast and were pleasantly surprised he didn't suck. But all they had to measure him against was the satirical version of Adam West 20 years earlier. And then Keaton's film relaunched the franchise (and comicbook movies as a genre). Now, though, Affleck stands in the shadow of the bat, Christian Bale, and a series of successful well-regarded comic book adaptations of all different kinds, so the potential of going back to the Shumacher-era Batman films seems seriously depressing for those who give a shit about such things.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 26 2013 09:45 AM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

I agree. Each character only gets so many chances to be in a movie, and when a screwup occurs, it's not only an opportunity wasted, but it could harm the chances of the character getting another shot. Superman and Batman get more chances than most, but it still matters for them. Me, I'm more invested in the Fantastic Four, and while there were a few things I liked about their two movies, overall it was a big misfire, especially the characterizations of Reed Richards and Doctor Doom. I'm glad they're getting another chance with a reboot. The Green Lantern movie was so bad, it may have set that character's movie chances back twenty years or more.

metsmarathon Aug 26 2013 11:16 AM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

clooney was a very good bruce wayne. i'll grant that. and i'm sure the material prevented him from really making any hay with the batman side of things. batman & robin was meant to be a sillier, less serious, certainly not dark at all take on things, and for that reason, all i get from a clooneybat is a flat, inert goofiness. maybe if brad pitt had played robin the movie would have worked... and ultimately that's what i fear we'd get with ben affleck - a flat inertness. in clooney's case it was borne of hte material. in affleck's i worry it will be borne of the actor. the stage is certainly set for him to fool us all. if he can truly pull it off, i feel it would be a great launching pad for the remainder of affleck's career. not that he really needs any help - its just that popular opinion of him (mine included) can't help but shake his gigli.

Zvon Aug 26 2013 01:44 PM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

Bales gonna be a hard act to follow for anyone. I'm a lifelong (since before Adam West) batfan and I am just as passionate about the bat as I am about the Mets. But the Mets are real. Batman isn't. People imagine and reimagine the character. I observe and sometimes I love whats done and sometimes I hate it. I give a shit but just not on a scale with other more serious fans. I just enjoy the fact that Batman is up there and being made in movie form. There was a long time there between the 60s Batman and Keaton. All that empty bat screen time, that's what really sucked. Everyone says that Affleck is this way or that way and because of other roles not fit to play this one. Batman is a great juicy established role. So now we'll see if Affleck can act. I've seen Affleck in many other things and from the characters he played I think Batman will be a departure for him (I have never seen Daredevil-well, a few minutes on TV once). This role will take a special performance. Does he have it in him? We'll see. If he don't, yea, bummer, itll suck. And until they make another (they will, even if it takes 20 years) I'll just pop in the last two and watch em, so far the best Batman in the movies imo. I just hope they don't go the camp/humor route with this one. I want this to be epically serious.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 26 2013 02:27 PM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

Bryan Cranston can do bald super-villains. Heisenberg is slated to play the role of Lex Luthor in the upcoming Batman/Superman flick. http://www.webpronews.com/bryan-cransto ... ck-2013-08

Zvon Aug 26 2013 03:49 PM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Bryan Cranston can do bald super-villains. Heisenberg is slated to play the role of Lex Luthor in the upcoming Batman/Superman flick. http://www.webpronews.com/bryan-cransto ... ck-2013-08 OO, thats kool.

Vic Sage Aug 26 2013 09:38 PM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

But the Mets are real. Batman isn't. just because Batman is fictional doesn't mean he's not real. The stories are real. the books are real. the movies are real. The writers are real. The artists are real. The readers are real. And if the next film tanks, and it takes 20 years to make another, then watching the recent ones over and over will be cold comfort. I will want new stories. new real stories. And if Affleck's presence reduces the chances of that, and it may, then fans are rightfully pissed. And as far as realness, the only difference between Batman and the Mets is that the gods guiding Batman's destiny aren't as perversely sadistic. The other difference is that, as between Batman and the Mets, only one has a good relationship with bats.

Zvon Aug 26 2013 10:12 PM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

Vic Sage wrote: The other difference is that, as between Batman and the Mets, only one has a good relationship with bats. BAM!

Edgy MD Aug 27 2013 09:52 AM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

It's hard to look at the way media is going and imagine that Batman won't continue to get new go-arounds. I was reading in the Atlantic about ESPN's media supremacy (worth more perhaps than all of Disney's other holding's put together) and it's clear that media has never been so star driven. Five properties are all any outlet needs. People only needs five clebrities continually rotating on the cover ad nauseum, music only needs five singers, and sports only needs five evergreen storylines (even if one of them, like Tebow, is 100% manufactured). People tune in to hate on Tiger and Tebow just as much as they tune in to root for him, and if Affleck fails, there'll be plenty of money to be made from people hating on him. Batman and the Avengers are like 50% of the film industry right now.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 27 2013 10:26 AM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

Yes, a character as big as Batman can withstand a bad movie or a bad performance a lot better than a lesser character, like Daredevil or Green Lantern can. If those two guys were real, they'd probably be suing their agents.

Vic Sage Aug 27 2013 11:28 AM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

Not "real"? Grimm, you of all people!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 27 2013 12:12 PM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

Cranston is like the inverse of Affleck for this movie-- almost TOO perfect. I mean, how can Cranston ever outdo what he's done over the last five years?

Zvon Oct 21 2013 03:06 PM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

This is pretty funny. [youtube:8uulcj5x]-G4Y8JtT1j0[/youtube:8uulcj5x]

dgwphotography Oct 22 2013 10:08 AM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

A great short shown at NYCC: [youtube:thgryxj7]ebXB0lBoaQ0[/youtube:thgryxj7]

Edgy MD Apr 06 2016 01:59 PM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

So, anybody?

Ceetar Apr 06 2016 02:09 PM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

Edgy MD wrote: So, anybody? all 5 of my coworkers, from old to young, liked it. All said it was plenty flawed, but still fun. myself, I'll get there eventually..

Benjamin Grimm Apr 06 2016 02:30 PM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

Better than I thought it would be, but that's because many of the early reviews were very negative. I have to say, I really hated Jesse Eisenberg's take on Lex Luthor. It was every bit as awful, and in much the same way, as Johnny Depp's interpretation of Willy Wonka.

Vic Sage Apr 06 2016 03:25 PM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

i liked it overall, particularly Affleck as Batman! which was a nice surprise. I still like Henry Cavill as Superman, and Wonder Woman was perfection. However, Jesse Eisenberg was just a terrible idea from the start and he buries the movie every time he's on screen. The movie also tries to do too much, telling parallel storylines, while also trying to set up the upcoming JUSTICE LEAGUE movie. DC tried to do in 1 movie what Marvel was able to do with all their movies leading up to AVENGERS, and it just doesn't work. The DOOMSDAY villain comes out of absolutely nowhere and makes even less sense than everything else. So this movie isn't exactly a masterclass in storytelling. But Snyder's got style (if nothing else) and a real feel for visually adapting comic book characters to the big screen and, unlike MAN OF STEEL, the fight scenes work well. Sure, it's got some wince-inducing moments, and i can see why the critics savaged it, but i like Snyder movies and i liked this one. Alot of other folks don't, and didn't.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 06 2016 11:13 PM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

Haven't seen it yet, but Eisenberg seems like he would've made, say, a better Arcade than a Luthor.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 07 2016 06:33 AM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

Vic Sage wrote: ...and Wonder Woman was perfection. But Snyder's got style (if nothing else) and a real feel for visually adapting comic book characters to the big screen and, unlike MAN OF STEEL, the fight scenes work well. I totally agree about Wonder Woman. The setup for the other Justice League characters (Flash, Cyborg, Aquaman) seemed to be shoehorned into the movie and could (and should) have been left out. And that "dream scene", or whatever it was, when Bruce Wayne had when downloading a file, was confusing. My mind wandered while all that was happening and my attention didn't snap back until it ended and I realized that Bruce was still downloading a file. My son later explained to me what that was about, but it seemed like a weird muddle to me. As for the fight scenes, there was one, somewhere in the first half of the movie, where Batman was wearing a trench coat and fighting off one attacker after another. It had been going on for a little while before I noticed that it was all done in one continuous take. And after I noticed that, it continued for a while, all in the same take. It was really well done. I can imagine how difficult it must have been to coordinate all of the actors/stunt men and the slowly moving camera. I don't know if I'll ever rewatch the whole movie, but I would like to watch that scene again.

Vic Sage Nov 29 2016 08:14 AM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

i just rewatched this last night on cable. i still like it, despite its obvious (and significant) problems, which i noted above. And i once again have to do a mea culpa in my premature criticism of Affleck's Batman. It's the best version of Batman after Bales (and Kevin Conroy). He offers an older Bruce Wayne, but with a prep school obnoxiousness that is spot on, and his Batman is truly a deadly monster. They've gone back to both the roots of the character, where he carried a pistol and had no problems killing bad guys, while updating it with Frank Miller's version of an older Wayne. But that "Martha" twist... it's just awful, practically destroying the movie (along with Eisenberg and Doomsday).

TransMonk Nov 29 2016 08:42 AM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

Vic and I must have been watching this at the same time last night. My reaction was lukewarm. Cavill does a great job with Superman, IMO. I wasn't quite as impressed with Affleck's performance, though. I think part of it is that Cavill is a relative unknown outside of his work as Superman. To me, Cavill IS Superman while Affleck is just another guy (with more than a couple questionable acting performances on his resume) in a long line of well-known actors to play Batman. However, I thought that the writers did a decent job with the character. Eisenberg...ugh.

Vic Sage Nov 29 2016 08:52 AM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

i agree about Cavill. I even liked him in MAN OF STEEL.

themetfairy Nov 29 2016 12:19 PM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

Cavill was excellent in The Tudors. D-Dad watched most of this film on an airplane a few months ago but the plane landed before the film ended, so we watched it on cable the other night. I was only half paying attention, but I did notice the Martha scene and it was wretched. D-Dad felt that the ending wasn't as bad as he feared it would be (and now he has his closure).

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 19 2016 08:42 PM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

Finally caught this on (FREE!) HBO. Good GOD, is this long. And it feels long, too. Exceedingly long. Punishing, almost. And although it aims (and stretches, and strains) to consider and incorporate themes of power and control and homeless-man's-Greek-tragedy... good God, it doesn't come together. And when it doesn't, Snyder just piles more on. And more. And MORE. I made it through, though. For that, I'm grateful. And also, half-filled with self-loathing. Why didn't I just switch it off, and put on something a little more fun, or at least less ill-tempered?

metsmarathon Dec 22 2016 07:49 AM Re: Superman is coming back _ this time with Batman

i forget when, but i saw this on the backside of a headrest on an airplane recently. the audio was intermittent and i couldn't get the screen was all jumpy and frequently self-paused. overall not a fun experience, and i'm sure it helped un-immerse me in the movie. that said, batman was awesome, and awfully written. superman was also quite good, and quite badly written. and wonderwoman was superb... and... well, they managed not to fuck her up too badly. the villains and the drama and the whole "versus" thing was stupid and silly, but not stupid and silly in a remotely good way. it made me weep for what could have been the foundation for a much, much better movie. or, well, maybe just hte window dressing of a much better movie. the foundation would be the story, the plot. and all that was just terrible. nonsensical and pointless and dumb and brainless, with things happening either for no reason or simply because hte movie needed things to happen to have a reason to keep showing us things get destroyed. but, ysy. i guess bits of dirt can fly, so superman might not be dead. hopefully they can figure out how to write a story for the next one.... and maybe retcon some better villains...? is that asking too much? sigh...