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IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

G-Fafif Jul 21 2013 03:22 PM

Dillon Gee is 7-7, right there with the '68 Giants and the '72 Jets as not bad, not great. Both NFL franchises were doomed to wander the autumnal deserts for years after they ascended to .500 in what were then 14-game seasons. Gee can take a great leap forward Monday night by outpassing Julio Teheran, who, at 7-5, is still entertaining thoughts of surpassing the Lions and grabbing the Wild Card. Or something like that.

Swan Swan H Jul 22 2013 12:53 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Turner activated, Burke gets Viva'd, Germen gets to stay after some fine performances.

G-Fafif Jul 22 2013 01:03 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Greg Burke is opening his own theater on the Strip, right up the road from Celine Dion's. He's that much of a fixture.

smg58 Jul 22 2013 01:04 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

I'm kind of surprised Turner wasn't sent down in favor of Tejada, who's been swinging the bat very well lately. That last spot in the pen is very much up for grabs, and I don't have a problem with Germen getting an extended look here.

metirish Jul 22 2013 01:05 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Fair fucks to turner for getting called back up and sticking around, he's like Joe McEwing with a Twitter account.....

Swan Swan H Jul 22 2013 01:06 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

G-Fafif wrote: Greg Burke is opening his own theater on the Strip, right up the road from Celine Dion's. He's that much of a fixture. Stop in for a pre-show drink at Sidearmers Lounge, located in the lobby.

G-Fafif Jul 22 2013 01:14 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

The Young Buck lineup is in effect. Eric Young, Jr. – LF Daniel Murphy – 2B David Wright – 3B Marlon Byrd – RF Ike Davis – 1B John Buck – C Kirk Nieuwenhuis – CF Omar Quintanilla – SS Dillon Gee - RHP

G-Fafif Jul 22 2013 01:18 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

metirish wrote: he's like Joe McEwing with a Twitter account..... Excellent characterization.

Ashie62 Jul 22 2013 04:37 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

smg58 wrote: I'm kind of surprised Turner wasn't sent down in favor of Tejada, who's been swinging the bat very well lately. That last spot in the pen is very much up for grabs, and I don't have a problem with Germen getting an extended look here. I believe Tejada is kinda on the shitlist....

Ashie62 Jul 22 2013 04:49 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Ayatollah Teheran pitching for the Infidels...

Swan Swan H Jul 22 2013 04:54 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Got a call from our Mets account rep today, asking if we were using our tickets for tonight. I said yes, and he said to meet him inside the Rotunda. Boom. Upgrade to field level.

Edgy MD Jul 22 2013 06:19 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Nice. And also nice is Dillon's high cheese. Gee's cheese brings me to my knees.

Frayed Knot Jul 22 2013 06:22 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Ashie62 wrote: smg58 wrote: I'm kind of surprised Turner wasn't sent down in favor of Tejada, who's been swinging the bat very well lately. That last spot in the pen is very much up for grabs, and I don't have a problem with Germen getting an extended look here. I believe Tejada is kinda on the shitlist.... I think it's more a case of him not being the best SS right now and that Turner is better suited as an all-around backup. Turner should play every day or stay in Las Vegas ... and right now Vegas is the better option (IMO of course).

Frayed Knot Jul 22 2013 06:23 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 22 2013 06:24 PM

Fish gotta swim, Byrd's gotta fly. Upton gotta sit and wonder why?, why?, why?.

Edgy MD Jul 22 2013 06:24 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

It's a small but sweet edge to go to bed and wake up with the knowledge that we have the best outfield defense in the division.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 22 2013 06:50 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

[bigpurple:137xjs8v]SQUINTY[/bigpurple:137xjs8v]

Frayed Knot Jul 22 2013 06:51 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

THAT is why Tejada is still in Nevada.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 22 2013 06:51 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

I'm going out for a run so as not to interfere with any routine.

Fman99 Jul 22 2013 06:52 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

This is getting exciting.

Gwreck Jul 22 2013 06:52 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

This game seems to be quite interesting.

Zvon Jul 22 2013 06:53 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

This is gettin real.

Zvon Jul 22 2013 06:57 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Ike is getting his bat on the ball. I like.

Fman99 Jul 22 2013 07:00 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Dang. Gee gets a nice hand from the Citi Field fans.

Zvon Jul 22 2013 07:01 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

I like the ovation. Fkn FrFrmn

Frayed Knot Jul 22 2013 07:02 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

The Braves now have as many hits as the Yanx so far tonight.

Zvon Jul 22 2013 07:07 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Dillon, I command you to get back in command of this game.

Zvon Jul 22 2013 07:09 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Meh, hitting the guy was like the opposite. COMMAND> Get that DP.

Fman99 Jul 22 2013 07:12 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

You can't tell me that this guy Terdoslovich was not eternally nicknamed "the Turd" as a kid.

Zvon Jul 22 2013 07:12 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Good play as Wright gets the force at home. Come on Gee. Bunch a beer here 4 u

Edgy MD Jul 22 2013 07:12 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Thought we'd get a LOOGy here. How about Terry staying with Gee?

Fman99 Jul 22 2013 07:13 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Flush that Terd!

Edgy MD Jul 22 2013 07:13 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Dillon Gee becomes a man.

themetfairy Jul 22 2013 07:14 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

WHEW!!!

Zvon Jul 22 2013 07:15 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Wow. Great job Gee. Way to get thru it.

Frayed Knot Jul 22 2013 07:15 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

I thought that non-catch of Freeman stealing (which would have made it two outs and none one) was going to come back and haunt us. But Gee thought otherwise.

Fman99 Jul 22 2013 07:33 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Nice work by Hawkins in the 8th.

Frayed Knot Jul 22 2013 07:36 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Always nice seeing Casey the way he was meant to be seen - behind a logo for Five Hour Energy Drink

Zvon Jul 22 2013 07:37 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Nice Hawkins. I like that Terry stuck with LaTroy for FknFrdeFrmn.

Edgy MD Jul 22 2013 07:45 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Terrible to go down looking there, Daveed.

Fman99 Jul 22 2013 07:45 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

This Braves pitcher looks like he's falling off the mound on every pitch.

Frayed Knot Jul 22 2013 07:45 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

One-inning/one-run saves are about 80% converted. One-inning/TWO-run saves are about [u:1tr80cxv]90%[/u:1tr80cxv] converted. IOW, another run here would be HUGE

Frayed Knot Jul 22 2013 07:46 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Swannie is right now in his upgraded seats saying; "Again with the outs in the wrong order!!"

Fman99 Jul 22 2013 07:52 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Not good. Two runners on with no one out.

Edgy MD Jul 22 2013 07:55 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Not an easy play. Good job, Daveed.

Fman99 Jul 22 2013 07:55 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Nice hop there by the Captain to get the lead runner. Ground ball away from putting this one to bed.

Fman99 Jul 22 2013 07:56 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Or, fuck.

Zvon Jul 22 2013 07:57 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

fuck

Fman99 Jul 22 2013 07:57 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Blergh. Blown save.

Fman99 Jul 22 2013 07:59 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Jesus Fucking Christ. 2-1 Braves.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 22 2013 08:01 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Hey eff you John Buck and David Wright

bmfc1 Jul 22 2013 08:01 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

How about some effing for Parnell?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 22 2013 08:02 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

bmfc1 wrote: How about some effing for Parnell? Shouldn't you be effing Terry?

Ashie62 Jul 22 2013 08:04 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

No..Parnell is a mediocre closer...

Zvon Jul 22 2013 08:04 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Your fkn kiddin me. This went from pleasant and impressive to shit. This could have been such a big win. LETS GO METS!!! Dont rollover.

Ashie62 Jul 22 2013 08:06 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Season altering cock punch loss...

Edgy MD Jul 22 2013 08:07 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

I realize it's the bottom of the ninth, but they should be rolling the tarp out. That pitch could've killed Buck.

Fman99 Jul 22 2013 08:07 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Nice of Buck to take one for the team. Lagares up here with a chance to be the hero.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 22 2013 08:08 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

The rain is steady but not hard.

Edgy MD Jul 22 2013 08:08 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Ashie62 wrote: Season altering cock punch loss... Don't roll over.

Fman99 Jul 22 2013 08:10 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Edgy MD wrote: I realize it's the bottom of the ninth, but they should be rolling the tarp out. That pitch could've killed Buck. Quit being a Fancy Nancy™.

Zvon Jul 22 2013 08:10 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Lagares, you are tomorrows back page if you can't plant one. Or walk. But they say you never walk. So smack one out.

Edgy MD Jul 22 2013 08:12 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Ball four, Juanny.

Zvon Jul 22 2013 08:12 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Fuck you rook.

Fman99 Jul 22 2013 08:12 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Omar Quintanilla, a (Mets) nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 22 2013 08:13 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

I think I would have PH Downtown Brown for Squinty.

Fman99 Jul 22 2013 08:13 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Roger McDowell bringing out the towel for his closer. Is he about to jerk off into it? Stay tuned!

Ashie62 Jul 22 2013 08:13 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

All closers are overpaid...

Zvon Jul 22 2013 08:14 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Zvon wrote: Fuck you rook. Thats kinda harsh. Nice try kid and gratz on POTW. bum

Edgy MD Jul 22 2013 08:16 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Hang in there, Q.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 22 2013 08:16 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Tying run at 2nd.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 22 2013 08:17 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

we want a hit we want a hit from the crack of the bat there's noise in de place specially if a Met can get on first base

Edgy MD Jul 22 2013 08:18 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Hanging in there like Mookie.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 22 2013 08:19 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Squinty reaches base.

Fman99 Jul 22 2013 08:19 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Just in? Turn her!

Zvon Jul 22 2013 08:19 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Wow. what an AB by Q.

Edgy MD Jul 22 2013 08:20 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Wow. Wonder why they didn't pinch-run Turner so they'd have Brown up here.

Fman99 Jul 22 2013 08:21 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

God damn.

Edgy MD Jul 22 2013 08:21 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

ShamWoW.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 22 2013 08:21 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

mutherfukshit

Zvon Jul 22 2013 08:22 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

[bigpurple:21nz7lxh]WOW[/bigpurple:21nz7lxh] DAMNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNwhat a catch. From the trajectory I had it at least tied as thye ball was headin for the gap. Damn. Bad loss.

Fman99 Jul 22 2013 08:26 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Well that sucked a mid-size Ryder moving truck full of dicks.

G-Fafif Jul 22 2013 08:40 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Fman99 wrote: Well that sucked a mid-size Ryder moving truck full of dicks. Yes. Yes it did.

Edgy MD Jul 22 2013 08:43 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Two spots --- Wright's strikeout and Buck's passed ball. That's the diff.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 22 2013 08:44 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

yup to both. 3 friggin pitches for Wright. Awful.

Zvon Jul 22 2013 08:51 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Bad game for us, but great baseball. All of Terrys moves were working out fine. Got the ball to Parnell with a lead. Parnell was due, I guess. I don't buy into this "Parnell has finally become a real closer" club. Its the big games where he has to be the most effective. Its not a back breaking loss. But it would have been a wonderful win, and should have been. Score more runs

Zvon Jul 22 2013 08:53 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Yea, Wright had a bad night. The curve he took, Ill give him. A tuff gig. The fastball....for shame.

Ceetar Jul 22 2013 09:05 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Zvon wrote: Bad game for us, but great baseball. All of Terrys moves were working out fine. Got the ball to Parnell with a lead. Parnell was due, I guess. I don't buy into this "Parnell has finally become a real closer" club. Its the big games where he has to be the most effective. Its not a back breaking loss. But it would have been a wonderful win, and should have been. Score more runs all on the offense. Both closers were having trouble with the pitching, rough conditions and yet Parnell would've probably gotten out of it without the passed ball. He's always struggled with his defense behind (in front) of him. A couple of flares there too. shame.

Swan Swan H Jul 22 2013 09:10 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Frayed Knot wrote: Swannie is right now in his upgraded seats saying; "Again with the outs in the wrong order!!" Out loud, I said it.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 22 2013 09:16 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

ACK! WHAT? NO! (Just caught up, on DVR.)

Edgy MD Jul 23 2013 10:38 AM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Zvon wrote: Bad game for us, but great baseball. All of Terrys moves were working out fine. Got the ball to Parnell with a lead. Parnell was due, I guess. I don't buy into this "Parnell has finally become a real closer" club. Its the big games where he has to be the most effective. Its not a back breaking loss. But it would have been a wonderful win, and should have been. Score more runs True enough. With regards to all Terry's moves, forgetting for a moment that Justin Turner ripped the ball against a clearly gassed Kimbrel, was it the right move to pinch-run Brown and end up with a fresh-off-the-DL Turner as your last hope, instead of going the other way? Not that Turner is even particuarly fast, by infielder standards, and maybe coming off the intercostal strain, he's even less of a weapon on the bases, but Brown is there to hit, and Turner is there to do the utility stuff. Second question: Was Heyward even correct to dive there? If that ball splits the outfielders, Quintanilla scores from first with the walkoff winner. On the other hand, maybe that ball hits the wet turf and dies. Did it look like Johnson had the play backed up?

metirish Jul 23 2013 11:17 AM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Worst loss of the season? , probably not but it sure as hell sucked......

Swan Swan H Jul 23 2013 11:20 AM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Edgy MD wrote: Bad game for us, but great baseball. All of Terrys moves were working out fine. Got the ball to Parnell with a lead. Parnell was due, I guess. I don't buy into this "Parnell has finally become a real closer" club. Its the big games where he has to be the most effective. Its not a back breaking loss. But it would have been a wonderful win, and should have been. Score more runs True enough. With regards to all Terry's moves, forgetting for a moment that Justin Turner ripped the ball against a clearly gassed Kimbrel, was it the right move to pinch-run Brown and end up with a fresh-off-the-DL Turner as your last hope, instead of going the other way? Not that Turner is even particuarly fast, but infielder standards, and maybe coming off the intercostal strain, he's even less of a weapon on the bases, but Brown is there to hit, and Turner is there to do the utility stuff. Second question: Was Heyward even correct to dive there? If that ball splits the outfielders, Quintanilla scores from first with the walkoff winner. On the other hand, maybe that ball hits the wet turf and dies. Did it look like Johnson had the play backed up? Live, Turner's ball didn't look ripped - more of a medium fly that seemed to be headed for trouble - but that's not really the issue. The move I question is using Lagares to hit for Nooey in the seventh. It meant one less chip for the very late innings, plus it removes your second-best defensive outfielder from a 1-0 game. If he lets Nooey take his swings he could have run Lagares for Buck, which is a real speed upgrade, and then had Nooey up against Kimbrel in the ninth and Brown and Turner available to PH. And yes, Johnson was heading behind Hayward full speed. You never know where the ball ends up when a guy dives like that, but Johnson was where he was supposed to be.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 23 2013 11:43 AM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

I had no prob with the Lagares pinch-hit there. Terry has zero faith in Niuewy vs. LHP, and it got our best defensive CF into the last innings of a 1-0 game.

Zvon Jul 23 2013 12:07 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

I liked the Laggy move. If you are gonna go with a platoon, stick with it. Esp when you get a chance to get the better hitting of the two into the game. The early moves worked out for Terry because the guys all did what they were supposed to do. And they almost continued to do it in the 9th. I think Collins made all the right moves in this one. Bucks passed ball was big, but what was the story there? Crossed up? On Heyward the diving catch: I didn't think he was going to close the gap between him and the ball. Knowing how he fields, and that he was in center this time, I didn't think it possible. And when he went into the dive, maybe because of earlier events in the game, I expected it to get by him. There was no way he was gonna catch it. When it landed in his glove and stayed there- I even waited a few heartbeats because I was sure the ball would fall from his glove- I was in shock. The play was well backed up. That's not to say that it might not still have rolled to the wall, because the left fielder was by Jason and the play and would have had to circle back (iirc). One run would have scored with ease. When you say "should he have dived?", not knowing the outcome- yes, he had to make that catch and he knew it. And he made it.

Frayed Knot Jul 23 2013 12:09 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

When Heyward caught that ball I'm thinking that not only did the substitute CFer catch it, but one who happened to be 6' 5" and left-handed. You never know where a different CF might have been on that play, but if Heyward is neither that tall nor playing with a glove on his right hand he doesn't snag it. Then again, in those type of one-run games you can drive yourself nuts doing what-if.

Edgy MD Jul 23 2013 12:14 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

It's also worth noting that the brand of baseball played in the ninth was very different from your standard game, and a ton of X-factors are at play.

Ceetar Jul 23 2013 12:18 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Swan Swan H wrote: Live, Turner's ball didn't look ripped - more of a medium fly that seemed to be headed for trouble - but that's not really the issue. The move I question is using Lagares to hit for Nooey in the seventh. It meant one less chip for the very late innings, plus it removes your second-best defensive outfielder from a 1-0 game. If he lets Nooey take his swings he could have run Lagares for Buck, which is a real speed upgrade, and then had Nooey up against Kimbrel in the ninth and Brown and Turner available to PH. And yes, Johnson was heading behind Hayward full speed. You never know where the ball ends up when a guy dives like that, but Johnson was where he was supposed to be. It was hard hit but was clearly hit in the air so there was going to be hang time. Turner just generally doesn't have the power to flick it to the wall, Brown takes that same swing it's to the track and down. Heyward was shifted the other way, so he ran real far to get there. I didn't see a replay but I'm sure the winning run ran just as far and was around third by that time. 2-outs and all, gotta dive. I agree on pinch-hitting Lagares there. I hate the idea of the platoon out there because I'd like to see both guys, Kirk more than Juan personally, as much as possible no matter how well Young and Byrd are doing. I almost want them to trade Byrd for literally nothing just to open up that spot. (And Duda will probably be back in a couple of weeks too.) It seemed like Terry was confident in the one run (And fine, it's Parnell, but Hawkins hadn't pitched yet) and wanted to take his shot there, in the 7th, never knowing what else could happen. But it led to the lesser matchup in the 9th against a struggling, wet closer in a key situation. He blew his managerial load in the 7th and was unloaded in the 9th.

Edgy MD Jul 23 2013 12:27 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

The platoon is working. It hopefully won't be necessary forever, but those two guys, outside of platoon protection, ain't working. [list:2p39w8i2]Lagares vs Righties: .243 /.253 /.324 // .578 Lagares vs Lefties: .278 / .305 / .456 // .761 Nieuwenhuis vs. Righties: .222 / .312 / .395 // .707 Nieuwenhuis vs Lefties: .000 / .111 / .000 // .111[/list:u:2p39w8i2] Let's not confuse Terry with anything else. Even if Byrd disappeared tomorrow, the platoon would/should likely/hopefully stay mostly intact, with Brown and Duda taking most of his time.

Ceetar Jul 23 2013 12:29 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Edgy MD wrote: The platoon is working. It hopefully won't be necessary forever, but those two guys, outside of platoon protection, ain't working. [list]Lagares vs Righties: .243 /.253 /.324 // .578 Lagares vs Lefties: .278 / .305 / .456 // .761 Nieuwenhuis vs. Righties: .222 / .312 / .395 // .707 Nieuwenhuis vs Lefties: .000 / .111 / .000 // .111[/list:u] Let's not confuse Terry with anything else. Even if Byrd disappeared tomorrow, the platoon would/should likely/hopefully stay mostly intact, with Brown and Duda taking most of his time. sample size sample size sample size.

Edgy MD Jul 23 2013 12:36 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Nieuwie couldn't touch lefties last season either. There's a long precedent for working young players in by initially placing them in situations where they are most likely to perform, and then expanding their role as they demonstrate their ability.

Ceetar Jul 23 2013 12:50 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Edgy MD wrote: Nieuwie couldn't touch lefties last season either. There's a long precedent for working young players in by initially placing them in situations where they are most likely to perform, and then expanding their role as they demonstrate their ability. Is there a long precedent? Suggestive results? Or is it just one of those things baseball managers do? Maybe the best way to get Nieuwenhuis to his lefties is to play him against lefties. repetition after all.. Or is the best time for him to learn to hit them after months of not seeing them at all? I remain unconvinced that 82 PA across two years means anything useful.

Swan Swan H Jul 23 2013 12:54 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Edgy MD wrote: Nieuwie couldn't touch lefties last season either. There's a long precedent for working young players in by initially placing them in situations where they are most likely to perform, and then expanding their role as they demonstrate their ability. Not disagreeing with the concept, I just think Terry was a bit short-sighted and when he had to play catch-up in the ninth he ate the shit end of the stick. Lagares is a better CF than Nooey. Nooey is a better LF than EY, with a much better arm. The gain of Lagares over Nooey in a one-out, none-on situation is less, to my mind, than potentially having Lagares around for defense, or pinch-running, and having Nooey in the game to replace EY in left and face the righties that would follow Avilan. So, we ended up with Lagares facing Kimbrel. If we're talking about putting guys in situations where they are most likely to perform, that ain't it.

Edgy MD Jul 23 2013 01:00 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Ceetar wrote: Is there a long precedent? Yes. Ceetar wrote: Suggestive results? As New Order says, I'm not sure what this could mean. Ceetar wrote: Or is it just one of those things baseball managers do? Ergo, a long precedent. Ceetar wrote: Maybe the best way to get Nieuwenhuis to his lefties is to play him against lefties. repetition after all.. Maybe it is. And maybe you burn a few years trying that. Or alternatively, you play guys in situations where they succeed and try to work guys into situations that they've failed in when you find low-leverage opportunities --- blowouts and late in the season. This was neither. Ceetar wrote: Or is the best time for him to learn to hit them... I understand that you contend that he doesn't have to learn to do it. That he certainly can, current evidence be damned. Ceetar wrote: ...after months of not seeing them at all? He's seen plenty in the minors, and he'll see more. Ceetar wrote: I remain unconvinced that 82 PA across two years means anything useful. Terry's been in this organization for four years and probably has seen and considered more than 82 plate appearances. And now, he's got games to win.

Edgy MD Jul 23 2013 01:02 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

I just think Terry was a bit short-sighted and when he had to play catch-up in the ninth he ate the shit end of the stick. You've got a choice. Nieuwie vs. a lefty (a minus) plus the chance that he may face a righty later versus Lagares vs. a lefty (a plus) plus the bump in defense, minus the chance that he may face a righty later, minus the bench shortened by one guy. The Let's Make a Deal test seems to fall to Terry here.

Swan Swan H Jul 23 2013 01:22 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Edgy MD wrote: I just think Terry was a bit short-sighted and when he had to play catch-up in the ninth he ate the shit end of the stick. You've got a choice. Nieuwie vs. a lefty (a minus) plus the chance that he may face a righty later versus Lagares vs. a lefty (a plus) plus the bump in defense, minus the chance that he may face a righty later, minus the bench shortened by one guy. The Let's Make a Deal test seems to fall to Terry here. It's all in how you value each piece. I still wouldn't do it, and I said so to my son when I saw Lagares walking toward the plate last night. I'd have let Nooey hit, then if they still had the lead in the ninth put Lagares in CF and moved Nooey to LF. That's two bumps in defense, and even without the Lagares AB v. Kimbrel it makes sense to me.

Zvon Jul 23 2013 01:34 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Looks like the left fielder was not past Hayward and in better position than I thought. Smaller chance of it getting past him to the wall, and like Ed said, not sure how that ball would have bounced if Hayward doesn't touch it. Man, if he deflected that into left..... Well, datsAbaseball.

Ceetar Jul 23 2013 01:38 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

Edgy MD wrote: I just think Terry was a bit short-sighted and when he had to play catch-up in the ninth he ate the shit end of the stick. You've got a choice. Nieuwie vs. a lefty (a minus) plus the chance that he may face a righty later versus Lagares vs. a lefty (a plus) plus the bump in defense, minus the chance that he may face a righty later, minus the bench shortened by one guy. The Let's Make a Deal test seems to fall to Terry here. Lagares in that spot may help you lengthen the lead, and I'd understand if it was a RBI spot or something, but it was bases empty. the nature of the game at that time was already strongly leading towards the platoon advantage being more important in the 9th (or if it wasn't, it's because the Mets held the lead) But then again, you could've used Andrew Brown to pinch hit instead if you cared about that, and had Recker or Hefner pinch run. If you let Kirk hit, and he manages to get on, you can use Lagares in the pitcher's spot and perhaps make them make a move and use Satin anyway, or if he doesn't you can lead off the next inning with Satin or Lagares to maximize the platoon split that way in a bases empty no-out situation.

Frayed Knot Jul 23 2013 02:46 PM Re: IGT 7/22/2013: ATL @ NYM -- The Spirit Is Dillon

If that ball hit - but didn't stick - in Heyward's glove, there's no doubt in my mind that the Mets score twice there and win the game because there are all sorts of places for the deflection to go. Missing it completely may have allowed Johnson to field it on a bounce and hold them to just one run.