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Challenge: Beat my "S"

Bret Sabermetric Dec 20 2005 09:02 AM

There are many letters in the alphabet represented by the last names of over twenty-five Mets. I challenge you to come up with a better 25-man squad taken from any one letter than my all-powerful “S” team, featuring of course, the Mets' best pitcher and hitter. I’m a little heavy on slow corner OFers and starting pitching, a little light in the middle infield, but it’s quite the squad. Some of you have larger pools of talent to choose from but you’ll never beat my chosen team.. Try if you dare. [u:8cbc12fc44]Starting lineup......................Backup[/u:8cbc12fc44] Samuel, 2b…………………… Snider, CF ……………………Shinjo Singleton LF………………….Shamsky Strawberry RF ……………….Swoboda Stearns C……….…………….Sasser Staub, 1B……………………..Segui C. Smith, 3B Santana, SS…………………..Schofield Seaver, SP Saberhagen, SP B. Shaw SP Stone SP Scott SP Swan Selma Seo Sadecki, Sanders RP Sisk RP Here's a link to the UMDB rosters page: http://www.ultimatemets.com/roster.php so you can assemble your puny squads. Haw, haw, haw.

Nymr83 Dec 20 2005 09:21 AM

the Mighty M team c Brent Mayne 1b Eddie Murray, Ryan Mcguire, Doug Mientkiewicz 2b Kaz Matsui 3b Melvin Mora, Joe McEwing ss Kevin Mitchell rf Kevin McReynolds cf Willy Mays, Brian Mcrae lf Lee Mazzilli sp Pedro Martinez, Dave Mlicki, Josias Manzanillo, Pat Mahomes rp Tug Mcgraw, Randy Myers, Roger McDowell, Greg McMichael, Orber Moreno, Mike Maddux i'm sure i'm missing people, i love the bullpen....my 4-man rotation stinks, the lineup is ok

HahnSolo Dec 20 2005 09:21 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 20 2005 10:06 AM

I won't beat you, but my Hs, led by captain Don Hahn, might give you a run for your money: 1b: Keith Hernandez 2b: Ron Hunt SS: Bud Harrelson 3b: Jim Hickman LF: Rickey Henderson CF: Darryl Hamilton RF: Steve Henderson C: Todd Hundley SP: Mike Hampton SP: Pete Harnisch SP: Aaron Heilman SP: Orel Hershiser RP: Doug Henry RP: Jay Hook RP: Roberto Hernandez RP: Eric Hillman RP: Tom Hausman Bench: Lenny Harris Danny Heep Butch Huskey Ron Hodges Clint Hurdle Don Hahn Jason Hardtke Richard Hidalgo [edited to add Hausman, Hardtke, and Hidalgo] edited #2 to add Rickey and make other adjustments]

Bret Sabermetric Dec 20 2005 09:38 AM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Dec 20 2005 09:41 AM

Um, I think your captain's sitting on the bench with Hidalgo there. And I don't think Steve's your Henderson of choice. OE 1: Where's your lineup? OE 2: Both of you. This is part of the fun. OE 3: Where'd Grover go? This is fun, putting up edits that show up even though I'm the last poster in the thread. OE 4: Gro-o-o-o-over? Where are you, you little cloth-based unctuous busybody who I wouldn't wipe my ass with (unless I was really desperate)?

HahnSolo Dec 20 2005 09:53 AM

Hey, it's not easy putting this team together so quickly. I did forget about Rickey. So if I may, I'll add him to the starting lineup in left, put Hamilton in center, move Hahn to the bench, and waive bye-bye to Anderson Hernandez. If I had to do my Game One lineup, it would be: Rickey Henderson, LF Ron Hunt, 2B Keith Hernandez, 1B Todd Hundley, C Jim Hickman, 3B Steve Henderson, RF Darryl Hamilton, CF Bud Harrelson, SS Mike Hampton, P

Johnny Dickshot Dec 20 2005 10:03 AM

The B's have a pretty strong lineup & bench but need help in the starting rotation : Brett Butler ... CF (Backup: (backup: Daryl Boston) Wally Backman ... 2B (Backup: Ken Boswell) Carlos Beltran .... LF (backup: Bruce Boisclair) Bobby Bonilla ... 1B (backup: Rico Brogna) Jeromy Burnitz....RF (backup: Derek Bell) Hubie Brooks ... 3B (backup: Tim Bogar) Bruce Bochy .... C (Backup: Butch Benton) Ed Bressoud .... SS (backup: Rotation: Kris Benson Bruce Berenyi Brian Buchanan Paul Byrd Blaine Beatty Bullpen: Armando Benitz Larry Bearnarth Ricky Bottalico Heath Bell Rigo Beltran Manager: Yogi Berra

Benjamin Grimm Dec 20 2005 10:05 AM

Each of the above teams can have alphabetically appropriate managers, too. The H's have three to choose from: Howe, Howard, and Harrelson. (Slim pickings, though. I'd probably go with Big Frank.)

HahnSolo Dec 20 2005 10:07 AM

Since I have Buddy at Shortstop, let's go with Frank Howard as our skipper.

seawolf17 Dec 20 2005 10:24 AM

Let's take a look at the Met-C's Opening Day lineup: LF Vince Coleman CF Mike Cameron 1B Donn Clendenon C Gary Carter 3B Ed Charles RF Joe Christopher SS Elio Chacon 2B Kelvin Chapman SP David Cone PH- Roger Cedeno OF PH- Mark Carreon OF PH- Choo Choo Coleman C PH- Miguel Cairo IF PH- Tony Clark 1B PH- Kevin Collins IF The rest of the pitching staff: SP- Roger Craig SP- Galen Cisco SP- Don Cardwell SP- Mark Clark CL- Dennis Cook RP- Eric Cammack RP- Buzz Capra RP- Jaime Cerda RP- Mardie Cornejo RP- Galen Cisco I wanted to take Choo Choo, but I couldn't need a third catcher. Chuck Carr got left back as well. Kevin Collins got the 25th spot over a handful of outfielders because we needed another middle infielder.

Johnny Dickshot Dec 20 2005 10:49 AM

I think once you get past the S's 2 front starters, they'd be easy to beat. I'll take my chances with the B's but if I had to name a favorite of those so far, the H's are plenty tough.

Nymr83 Dec 20 2005 10:59 AM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: I think once you get past the S's 2 front starters, they'd be easy to beat. I'll take my chances with the B's but if I had to name a favorite of those so far, the H's are plenty tough. the S team actually left out Warren Spahn....i guess he was trying to go only by how good they were as a Met?

Edgy DC Dec 20 2005 11:05 AM

John Mitchell is the fifth starter for the M's. They might do well to put Roy McMillan at short and Kevin Mitchell at third, using McE and Melvin for bench strength, along with Because McKnight.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 20 2005 11:07 AM

McMillan would be a player-manager for the M's. The C's will have to be skippered by Mike Cubbage.

Nymr83 Dec 20 2005 11:08 AM

yeah i suppose Mitchell is the next starter, if we're going by "as a met" stats then you're right about the position changes but if Mora's years in Baltimore count i'd rather keep him in the lineup

Edgy DC Dec 20 2005 11:08 AM

The S's by Stengel and H's get a choice between Frank Howard and Buddy Harrelson.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 20 2005 11:09 AM

And Art Howe. Or are you trying to forget him?

TheOldMole Dec 20 2005 11:16 AM

Yes.

Edgy DC Dec 20 2005 11:23 AM

And hey Zeus! Gil Hodges! H is looking good.

TheOldMole Dec 20 2005 11:25 AM

This team can give a run on pitching. Our rotation: Dwight Gooden, Gary Gentry, Tom Glavine, Bob Gibson C -- Jerry Grote 1B - Tom Grieve (this team begins to buckle slightly) 2B - Brian Giles SS - Ron Gardenhire (he can manage the team, too, since the other alternative is so ghastly) 3B - Wayne Garrett LF - Bernard Gilkey CF- Jim Gosger RF - Rod Gaspar

Bret Sabermetric Dec 20 2005 11:27 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 20 2005 11:31 AM

Uh, you might want to check out the melanin content on your Bob Gibson there... Also, I'm not sure about batting Gardy cleanup and Grote leadoff.

HahnSolo Dec 20 2005 11:30 AM

How could I have forgotten Gil Hodges as the manager of my H team? To think I was ready to go into battle with big Frank Howard as my skipper.

seawolf17 Dec 20 2005 11:32 AM

Wow. The "G" who's played the most games at first base for the Mets? Mike Glavine. Yikes. That's a big hole in the lineup.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 20 2005 11:39 AM

I can't believe I remembered Art Howe but forgot Gil Hodges. I feel like such a newbie. Dallas Green would manage the G's.

seawolf17 Dec 20 2005 11:43 AM

Let's try the meTs: 1b - Marv Throneberry 2b - Tim Teufel 3b/mgr - Joe Torre ss - Frank Taveras c - Alex Trevino lf - Frank Thomas cf - Ryan Thompson rf - Bubba Trammell ph - Pat Tabler OF ph - Jorge Toca 1B ph - Hawk Taylor C ph - Garry Templeton SS ph - George Theodore OF sp - Frank Tanana sp - Kevin Tapani sp - Steve Trachsel sp - Walt Terrell sp - John Thomson rp - Shingo Takatsu rp - Jeff Tam rp - Dr. Ron Taylor rp - Mike Torrez rp - Chuck Taylor rp - Dave Telgheder cl - Billy Taylor

Rockin' Doc Dec 21 2005 11:08 AM

"W" is for win. Which this team may have trouble doing with their starting rotation, but our bullpen is pretty deep, though we lack a LOOGY. Lineup Mookie Wilson CF Claudell Washington LF David Wright 3B Preston Wilson RF Ty Wigginton 2B Chris Woodward 1B Vance Wilson C Al Weiss SS Bench Chico Walker Inf. Gene Woodling OF Gerald Williams OF - PR Herm Winningham OF Rick Wilkins C Rotation Paul Wilson RHP David West LHP Wally Whitehurst RHP Carl Willey RHP Bullpen Pete Walker RHP Billy Wynne RHP Rick White RHP Dan Wheeler RHP David Weathers RHP Turk Wendell RHP I guess I could have found a spot for Allen Watsonin the bullpen to serve as the LOOGY, but I think I'd rather take my chances with most of the righties stockpiled in in the pen.

MFS62 Dec 21 2005 11:11 AM

Mr. Solo, I'll take a wild guess and say you must not have seen Jim Hickman (try to) play third base. I'd have put Butch Huskey there over Hickman, and that says it all. Later

TheOldMole Dec 21 2005 11:21 AM

Well, Gibby did coach for us, but I guess I can't count that, or I'd have to give the H team Rogers Hornsby.

TheOldMole Dec 21 2005 11:23 AM

]Dallas Green would manage the G's. Not my G's.

HahnSolo Dec 21 2005 11:51 AM

]Mr. Solo, I'll take a wild guess and say you must not have seen Jim Hickman (try to) play third base. I'd have put Butch Huskey there over Hickman, and that says it all. You would be correct on point one. I'll take your word on it. He must have been bad to be a worse third baseman than Butch Huskey. Wow, that's hard to fathom.

HahnSolo Dec 21 2005 11:55 AM

And introducing the coaching staff for my Hs. Manager: Gil Hodges First Base Coach: Frank Howard Third Base Coach: Whitey Herzog Bench Coach: Rogers Hornsby Pitching Coach: Charlie Hough Bullpen Coach: Vern Hoscheit

seawolf17 Dec 21 2005 11:57 AM

If you want to get technical, the "H" who played more games than any other at 3B for the Mets was Richie Hebner. It was all in one season (1979), and he made 22 errors, but he's not a terrible pick, considering he hit .268 and drove in 79 runs.

Johnny Dickshot Dec 21 2005 12:00 PM

Managed by Berra, with coaches Benedict, Baylor, Burgess and Branley, my B's are ready to take allayaall on. Shall we use Bret's 3-and-2 game to run a tournament?

seawolf17 Dec 21 2005 12:05 PM

Let me see if I can get Rod Carew (to play second) and a closer signed to Mets contracts real quick first.

HahnSolo Dec 22 2005 12:57 PM

Although the Rs can't really field a complete team, their pitching staff could certainly hold its own: Starters: Nolan Ryan Rick Reed Glendon Rusch Armando Reynoso Kenny Rogers Bullpen Grant Roberts Royce Ring Mike Remlinger Jerrod Riggan Jeff Reardon

Edgy DC Dec 22 2005 01:22 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Dec 22 2005 01:32 PM

Good letters taken, I'll escape the box and take the 20 Mets born in Alabama. My outfield depth will blow your mind. Of course, putting a 42-year-old outfielder at shortstop --- when he hasn't played there since he was 19 --- will blow my mind (and likely any chance my team has. I'm not sure Redman will work out at catcher, and I may have to activate Banedict. But --- what ho! --- that outfiled depth. Bruce Benedict (Birmingham), manager Lineup: 1) Marlon Anderson (Montgomery), 2b 2) Willie Mays (Westfield), ss 3) leon Jones (Plateau), 1b 4) Tommie Agee (Magnolia), cf 5) George Foster (Tuscaloosa), lf 6) Johnny Lewis (Greenville), rf 7) Amos Otis (Mobile), 3b 8) Prentice Redman (Tuscaloosa), c Bench Ced Landrum (Butler), of Pat Howell (Mobile), of Lou Thornton (Montgomery),of Terrence Long (Montgomery), of Craig Brazell (Montgomery), 1b Rotation Bill Latham (Birmingham) Randy Tate (Florence) Reid Cornelius (Thomasville) Roy Lee Jackson (Opelika) Bullpen Terry Leach (Selma) Frank Lary (Northport)

Benjamin Grimm Dec 22 2005 01:26 PM

That Alabama pitching staff will kill you. I'd guess, without looking, that the best geographic team will come from California. Off the top of my head, you'll have Seaver, Carter, Hernandez, and Strawberry.

Edgy DC Dec 22 2005 01:30 PM

Yeah, but it's no fun just picking the obvious best. I'd spend a half hour just trimming the roster to 25.

MFS62 Dec 22 2005 01:40 PM

This was a fun thing to do when I was a kid. The best all-something team I could ever come up with was that I called the "Dial M For Murder" team of the early 60's. From memory, it was: 1B McCovey 2B Mazeroski SS McCauliffe 3B Matthews C McCarver LF Mantle CF Mays RF Maris SP Marichal SP McLain SP Maloney SP Mizell RP Marshall And I forgot the rest. Nice team, eh? Later

Edgy DC Dec 22 2005 01:44 PM

Your bullpen could include Sudden Sam McDowell (though still primarily a starter at that point) and Billy McCool.

MFS62 Dec 22 2005 01:46 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Your bullpen could include Sudden Sam McDowell (though still primarily a starter at that point) and Billy McCool. It probably did. As I said, I forgot the rest of that squad. Sudden Sam was a hard guy to forget at that time. Later

Benjamin Grimm Dec 22 2005 02:06 PM

Here's a Texas team. Filling in the pitching staff wasn't hard, but the outfield was tough. I had to go Willie Randolph style, and go with extra infielders in lieu of outfielders. How would the Texans fare against the Alabamans? TEXAS METS SP: Nolan Ryan (Refugio) SP: Pat Zachry (Richmond) SP: Al Jackson (Waco) SP: Anthony Young (Houston) SP: Pete Schourek (Austin) RP: Calvin Schiraldi (Houston) RP: Dennis Cook (Lamarque) RP: Mike Stanton (Houston) RP: Scott Strickland (Houston) RP: Pat Mahomes (Bryan) RP: Brian Bohanon (Denton) RP: Dale Murray (Cuero) C: Jerry Grote (San Antonio) C: Phil Lombardi (Abilene) 1B: Danny Heep (San Antonio) 2B: Ken Boswell (Austin) 3B: Charlie Neal (Longview) SS: Garry Templeton (Lockney) IF: Roy McMillan (Bonham) IF: Mike Phillips (Beaumont) IF: Bob Heise (San Antonio) OF: Steve Henderson (Houston) OF: Joel Youngblood (Houston) OF: Jason Tyner (Beaumont) OF: Cliff Cook (Dallas)

Benjamin Grimm Dec 22 2005 02:09 PM

Anyone wanna try New York? Florida? Pennsylvania? Puerto Rico? Dominican Republic?

MFS62 Dec 22 2005 02:09 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: How would the Texans fare against the Alabamans? Well, in a series, I'd guess Anthony Young would lose one of the games. Later

HahnSolo Dec 22 2005 02:24 PM

Man, a California team would be sick. You could probably field two Mets California teams.

Johnny Dickshot Dec 22 2005 02:27 PM

I'm up for a California Met Fantasy draft.

Willets Point Dec 22 2005 02:59 PM

Everytime I see this I think Bret is saying "Beat my ass!"

Bret Sabermetric Dec 23 2005 04:08 AM

I think that, too, WP.

HahnSolo Oct 31 2006 09:45 AM

So with 2006 in the rearview, I thought I'd revisit my H team with a couple minor changes. Orlando Hernandez joins the rotation, bumping Aaron Heilman to the bullpen and Eric Hillman back to imaginary Triple A. We Look forward to 2007 and hope Philip Humber can stabilize the rotation. 1b: Keith Hernandez 2b: Ron Hunt SS: Bud Harrelson 3b: Jim Hickman LF: Rickey Henderson CF: Darryl Hamilton RF: Steve Henderson C: Todd Hundley SP: Mike Hampton SP: Pete Harnisch SP: Orlando Hernandez SP: Orel Hershiser RP: Doug Henry RP: Jay Hook RP: Roberto Hernandez RP: Aaron Heilman RP: Tom Hausman Bench: Lenny Harris Danny Heep Butch Huskey Ron Hodges Clint Hurdle Don Hahn Jason Hardtke Richard Hidalgo Manager: Gil Hodges First Base Coach: Frank Howard Third Base Coach: Whitey Herzog Bench Coach: Rogers Hornsby Pitching Coach: Charlie Hough Bullpen Coach: Vern Hoscheit

Benjamin Grimm Oct 31 2006 09:47 AM

Interesting that this thread wakes up while we're discussing Edgy's "S" in the Baseball Forum.